It has nothing to do with GP or enthusiast opinions. That section of the track was a notorious trouble spot. It constantly had to be welded on and was causing damage to the ride vehicles. In the span of the season and a half I worked the ride, we had to take 3 different cars out of service for extended periods because of that curve. It was poorly designed, and has now been corrected. I'm not in the slightest surprised by the reprofile - it really was just a matter of time.

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

People act like the entire ride was demolished and rebuilt. 🙄

@candysmith8724

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining from an insider's point of view. Makes sense.

@5MadMovieMakers

3 жыл бұрын

They could put old damaged cars near the old track to make it look like it derailed or was abandoned!

@71tarheelfan

3 жыл бұрын

I worked at an amusment park for one season. So yes, I get why some things are changed...and sometimes (more often than not) for a valid reason. Most people don't understand...and when something is changed, they whine and complain about it. And well, you can't please everyone.

@TheTurkaderr

3 жыл бұрын

@Louann Salquero yesterday I gave my girlfriend herpes, but no one cares about that either.

Literally everyone complained about the outside portion being “too rough”.. now that Dollywood has fixed it everyone is still complaining. It makes no sense. You can’t update a coaster without making some changes.

@Hvn866

3 жыл бұрын

exactly! i don’t mind it it got rid of the god awful turn

@CoasterKey

3 жыл бұрын

I have this exact thought. Every said it sucked and I thought it was cool they were fixing it. But NOOOOO Now it sucks because the drops slightly less steep.

@everydaynoob1

3 жыл бұрын

It’s because it’s removing the intensity and force that people loved and personally I loved to outside part the one time I rode it and they could simply put in newer track and new wheels to make it a bit smoother but the force was a great part of the ride so seeing the most forceful part get nullified it makes people understandably upset

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

Yea. Make it the exact same so that in 3 years it will have the same issues as it did before lol makes sense..

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

The “force” is what caused the issues in the first place. The same reason why they retracked lightning Rod.. the speed and force was literally tearing the old track apart.

Fun fact: you can still see some of the track on the ride you just don’t get to ride it ofc

It was due to track and train stresses. That part of the ride caused damage to both due to its sudden transitions and shakiness. Never ridden MM but i might prefer it now

Honestly that section was fairly jarring and lil uncomfortable it wasn't painful but uncomfortable and it just didn't really do anything for the ride that much imo. Its a good business decision for the park because more people will ride it and find it less uncomfortable. Enthusiasts are the minority of a parks attendance and a majority of the people visiting the park are families and they will probably like this more because it's less intense.

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!!!! Finally someone with a brain.

@NickyD

3 жыл бұрын

amen something enthuists never learn

@realwiggles

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously, it cracks me up when enthusiasts think what they want has any bearing on a park's decisions. We should really be thankful for the GP because they are the ones who actually pay for these coasters in the first place.

Dollywood's changing everything these days

@meverything2216

3 жыл бұрын

True this is gonna start to make enthusiasts not want to go to Dollywood anymore

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

The enthusiasts were the ones complaining it was “too rough” and they “needed to smooth it”... 😅😂

@Cosmic_Cretin

3 жыл бұрын

@@meverything2216 why do you say that? they turned LROD into an Steel hybrid like SteVe which should make it better and more reliable, and they are not changing the finale of Mystery Mine (which imo is the only good part of the ride anyways)

@meverything2216

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cosmic_Cretin idk just my opinion it is nice they are putting Ibox track on Lighting Rod

@shadycharacter94

3 жыл бұрын

@@meverything2216 Lmao no it won't. Dollywood is more than just coasters, it's an experience.

The more forceful the ride, the more stress it produces on the track, be glad they took out the rougher parts and quit complaining

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

Oh please.

I think Lightning Rod’s launch was reduced almost entirely for maintenance reasons, given how infrequently it ran for the first year of operation.

@pittsburghthrills1281

3 жыл бұрын

It was to slow it down to put less wear one the track. The topper track was wearing down fast and breaking. The slow down helped with that section and some with the first parts.

I really like your voice, and the content is a great mix for all the things I look for in filling my Rollercoaster obsession!

Thank you for using my footage. Been watching your channel for a while & will continue to keep watching

I'm glad that I got to experience this before the change. I finally got back into coasters in 2019, but then Covid limited 2020. Regardless, this is probably the most memorable element of Mystery Mine for me.

The whole point is to draw in crowds. If they market it as an improvement, it will pull in more people.

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@NickyD

3 жыл бұрын

yep it was rough by the GP enthuists dont mean shit to parks

@mattiasrobertsson4340

3 жыл бұрын

But its no improvement

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

Have you rode it yet? How smooth and fast is the new drop and turn?

@therandomjones1518

3 жыл бұрын

Dude, that’s not the reason at all. The piece of track was literally falling apart. Don’t believe me, look at some of the other comments on here.

Why couldnt they just spend the money on lap bars?

@overbanked

3 жыл бұрын

Bingo!

@highoctanegames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@everydaynoob1

3 жыл бұрын

Lap bars would make the ride too intense for the GP imo

@MicrowavedBurrito1

3 жыл бұрын

@@everydaynoob1 yes the gp is the theme park industries main source of income, if they dont go the parks lose a lot of money. IMO adding lapbars to this would make the gp not think its safe, causing many not to ride it.

I rode this about 4 years ago and loved that part of the ride! I just saw a short pov and realized the change and thought it was a no limit concept!

I fine with it, that turn always banged my head around.

i dont understand why enthusiasts are crying about this, the main growds at the park are GP plus that part of the track had many issues, great vid tho :)

That ride took me by surprise. Loved it.

Well heres the thing, is it confirmed that that was the only part of the ride that was changed or is that just the only picture of a section that got changed?

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

This is the only section that was changed, which makes all the outcry pointless.

@mcoodlesfilms9364

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattcollins3591 Do you mean the outdoor section as a whole, or everything outside thats before the outside mid course, because the picture didnt show what was passed it

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

The drop and the wave turn into the brake run on the trestle is the ONLY thing that has been replaced, 98 percent of the track is still the same. But you’d think the entire damn ride was taken out and replaced with how some people are reacting.

I think the roller coaster enthusiast community is really insular. This has almost nothing to do with the GP. It is certainly almost entirely to reduce stress on the track and on the vehicles.

@scrungycat407

3 жыл бұрын

I find it hilarious, and honestly kind of sad, how many enthusiasts use GP as a negative connotation (though I'm probably guilty of it too), as if that's going to change a park's opinion on a matter. I'm sure Dollywood was gonna do this regardless of public opinion. That said, I'll definitely miss that bit of track, even if I only got to ride it once.

I only wanted to go Dollywood to ride that overbank 🥺

@meverything2216

3 жыл бұрын

Me to

@elevatoralarmcoasterandarc1214

3 жыл бұрын

Dollywood could have added some trim brakes to Mystery Mine!

What I really hope Dollywood will do is bring in another company to extend tornado. Everyone agrees Tennessee tornado is a great Attraction, but it's too short. Why not just add another 1000 feet of track and an inversion or 2 and lengthen the ride?

They had to do something about it considering that part of the track actually fell to the ground and luckily nobody was hurt. So there had to be a solution and change the pattern of the track with new track pieces, expanding just part of it to make the riding experience more comfortable for people.

It has nothing to do with anything you mentioned and everything to do with the fact that that part of the ride beat the hell out of both the track and the cars. That's it. Nada mas.

I heard that the second drop put way too much stress on the wheels bc of the super tight pullout and crazy ejector but i’m not sure

@CoasterHorizons

3 жыл бұрын

Possibly

The Section seens much shorter now as it used to be, even tho they talked about extending the layout - maybe they made it longer in another section?

@thatreviewguy7601

3 жыл бұрын

Join us

I hope mystery mine has more inversions and new trains with lap bars in the future

i honestly love the way thunderhead makes my head rattle but at the same time it feels like i can control it. tennessee tornado on the other hand literally slammed my head against the seat

I am been on both tracks...they are equally as good!

Wow. You’re so negative. It’s not all about what you want or even coster enthusiasts want. It’s about keeping the guest safe and comfortable on a well-maintained track and keeping maintenance cost in check. That goes for any ride at any park. Be happy they didn’t just decide to demolish the whole thing. 🤷‍♂️

This is my favorite ride I love everything above this ride

At least I can say I rode it with the 90° drop and turn. I'm gonna miss it, but it was rough as all get out.

Does the ride still have the special effects?

Enthusiasts need to stop crying. Any improvements a park makes is with GP in mind. And I'm sure that Lightning Rod is still super intense even with the slowed launch. Considering Mystery Mine was my least favorite coaster in the park, any change to improve that ride is a good thing.

The Immelmann turn is gone now? Bad move. I recently said somewhere that it's one of the most underrated and rare elements

@PineappleDouche

3 жыл бұрын

It's still there

@overbanked

3 жыл бұрын

@@PineappleDouche Yes, it is basically displayed as a decoration now. It's cut out, and is no longer part of Mystery Mine's layout. Coaster Studios' recent trip report shows the Immelmann turn cut out from MM's layout.

I think this might have to do with the incident where something fell from the outside portion. Maybe making it less aggressive will reduce the risk of more guests getting hurt while “fixing” the “worst” part of the ride.

That section that was redone would bang peoples heads too. It was the worst part of the ride.

Glad I got to ride the old version

Even though they had trouble with the first portion of ride due to stress on the ride vehicles and maintaining the track, I wish they had rerouted the track to make it have the same level of intensity but also having a better design.

Petition to extend mystery mines layout

This real sucks I was looking for that second drop! I will be there at the end of March 2021!

honestly my opinion I think they took out that section of track because where it sat is where part of that hyper coaster in the future is probably going to sit then again I could be wrong but it kind of would only make sense in a way

I rode it this past year, and I can tell you that you have to brace for this area. Remember guys we aren't the ones that spend a whole bunch of money at the parks the general public does. Quit the complaining and go with it as we haven't even rode it yet so why judge it now. Don't judge a book by its cover.

@NickyD

3 жыл бұрын

lol enthuists complain about everything

If they change my favorite roller coaster( storm chaser) I will be soooooooo mad 😡

I remember riding the original and then seeing this. I’m so mad at Dollywood.

Hate they changed it..loved how those drops were.

it was the hatness hitting my head at that part that i hated I'm glad they changed it. I'll be riding it when it opens. Lightning rod will still be the best along with wild eagle. thunderhead is different and feels better also

I am not surprised they reprofiled this section to be more milder. Going through that section plus the jarring restraints is an awful experience. Gonna miss the 90 degree drop, but I am sure most GP won't lol.

I’m triggered because I rode that ride years ago and even though I was freaked out because I was just getting into intense rides I personally thought that that part was the best part and loved it so much and I wanted to ride it again once I had gained my sea legs which I very much now have but we never went to dolly wood again and now I’m to late which makes me extremely mad and sad

Does that ride goes upside down

They changed Hot Rod??? That was my favorite ride and I was looking forward to it because of the launch. What the hell??

@PineappleDouche

3 жыл бұрын

Lol. They upgraded it so he won't break down as much

They took it out to speed up the ride. All the rides have been sped up double over the last couple years.

I literally couldn't get on this ride I was like 15 - 17 but I literally could not get on it

Why not retrack those portions instead of removing them? Seems counterproductive in terms of “improving” the ride.

We have to see. The parks makes more off the GP/family then coaster people. We have to see

Personally, I liked that drop, but I can see why it was removed. It was a very forceful part of the ride and it scared a lot of the GP from riding it again. There were a few people that I rode with that complained about or even refused to re-ride Mystery Mine because of that drop. And they are also re-tracking the first helix which is in my opinion the roughest part of the ride. So personally, I don’t think the re-profiling will change my opinion of the ride much, but I do think it’s more of a positive change from the parks perspective.

@zacg_

3 жыл бұрын

Mystery Mine would often have a long line so I don't know that this really bothered anyone, except people who thought this would be a more kid friendly ride.

Why the heck does one shorten an already short ride? So does this mean improving ride smoothness = deleting elements outright? I don't know why, but little things like that are just so irritating.

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

Short? Lol it’s two and a half minutes long

@caydenwaltersmusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattcollins3591. Mystery mine only has 40 seconds of prime ride time, when you’re not on a lift or brake run.

They literally could have fixed any issues by getting lap bar only trains and keeping enthusiasts happy with keeping the 90 degree drop and horseshoe turn and the GP happy by improving smoothness.

@realwiggles

2 жыл бұрын

They don't give a shit about enthusiasts. They aren't going to do something to keep enthusiasts happy while only slightly improving the experience for the GP. They are going to do whatever appeals to the GP and could care less if it pisses off enthusiasts. This is because they aren't idiots.

This is breaking news

What is the purpose of this you can’t market it and as you said they spend at least 500000 should they really be blowing money like that for no reason I mean if you have extra cash buy some more theming for some of the queue lines

@therandomjones1518

3 жыл бұрын

The purpose is that that piece of track was beginning to fall apart due to its odd angle and needed to be taken out and replaced. I mean what would you prefer, them taking out a small portion of the ride so it can stay longer or them taking out the ride entirely some day soon due to maintenance issues?

This is so unnecessary. Like why do they need to do this?

HUH?

New cred though?

Did you just say the way they oil the track? Lol

I know my sister told me it’s just laying there

I think that it’s ok herschend is fixing stuff for gp because herschend probs get the most revenue from the go.

I'm not even a big coaster rider, but watching the previous POV's and the newer ones both show to me they ruined it.

I say good riddance! This was the roughest part of the ride, and those transitions were so awkward and jerky. I'm an enthusiast with over 300 credits, and I welcome this change!

I thought it was a pretty fun ride before now it feels really rough and jerky.

this part of the ride was literally painful people who are complaining must not have actually ridden it bc this is a serious improvement lol also your friend thinks the second drop gives you more airtime than the main drop on wild eagle ??? lol it seems like you guys are just looking for things to complain about

No lie I never found it jittery but it has been a bit since I've been on it its a bit if a dissapointment to me 😕

Such a bummer that Dollywood is making their coasters better - y’all are complaining about positive changes these days, we’re trying to make coasters last longer aren’t we?

Hershen wtf. The lines won’t be longer. U just gonna get complaints for enthusiasts. Whi

Capacity

That part of the ride is NO FUN. It hurts. I've said I wish they would get rid of it cause all it does is hurt your ears 👂!! It's not worth the price of that drop.

I’m very disappointed but I hope there judgement is right

Its not cinninam bread recipe so we don't care

@CoasterHorizons

3 жыл бұрын

Cinnamon

@candysmith8724

3 жыл бұрын

We have not visited Dollywood yet (we're in Texas), but all I've heard about is their Cinnamon bread!

😢

Why did they change this??? It doesn’t make sense.

Anyone who thinks parks are making decisions based off what enthusiasts want is delusional. The GP is the target audience. The vast, vast majority of people visiting these parks are GP. They could care less if they make a change that enthusiasts don't like because the potential loss of revenue from enthusiasts is equivalent to a rounding error in their books. Seriously, why are enthusiasts so entitled. They really expect a park to spend tens of millions of dollars on a coaster that will only appeal to the extremely small number of enthusiasts that visit. Do you think Kings Dominion is stoked that Intimidator 305 appeals to enthusiasts, despite the fact they dropped $25 million on it? No, they aren't which is why they spent even more money modifying it to make it less forceful. Honestly, you need to be happy Dollywood gave us something like Lightening Rod. The GP pay for those coasters. If Dollywood thinks removing an element like this from their mine coaster will make it more appealing to the GP, they would be stupid not to do it. I promise you, no one at Dollywood lost any sleep over what enthusiasts were going to think about the removal of this element.

bad news

Why hershend. That’s my only question. Why

I hated that part of the ride because of the headbanging so I don't care

I've always thought this ride looked incredibly short, and it looks even more like a one-trick-pony now. And if Hershand changes a damn thing on Lightning Run or Storm Chaser they will lose all of their thrill seeking crowd to Holiday World, not JUST us enthusiasts. (They can take their cinnamon bread and choke on it for all I care at that point too)

@KoasterKrieger

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, way to sound pessimistic 👍🏻

Why-

wtf is a eurofighter? lol

This is gonna fail them lol jk

I am sorry but it shortened the ride to give GP a non thrilled ride! I am sorry but I stuck for Mystery Mine and then you said they may be targeting Lighting Run! Herschend can give Kentucky Kingdom back if thats the case

sorry GP wins everytime enthusiast need to learn that it was rough by the GP they dont complain about it being short enthusiastss need to quit complaining

@orangeclay0922

3 жыл бұрын

This isn't really an opinion war between enthusiasts and non-enthusiasts, imo. Looking at the r/rollercoasters subreddit, the general consensus seems to be that this was necessary, but is not an improvement. Personally, I think this new layout is *way* too boring, but the old overbank was probably the single jankiest element in Dollywood, Tennessee Tornado included.

It wasn’t good to begin with so why are we upset?

Mystery Mine is one of my least favorite coasters, so I don’t really care that they changed it

@mattcollins3591

3 жыл бұрын

Yet you cared enough to comment lol

@noahconrad65

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t cared that they changed it, I still care about the coaster if that makes sense

That part of the ride was so mediocre, who cares

Complaints from people in the industry? Yeah right, complaints from guests that just cannot be satisfied, The initial drop outside was so rough that I can guarantee riders would leave the park complaining of back and neck pain. Back and neck pain is the backbone of our litigious society. My advice to everyone, stop ridding it and then you will have nothing to bitch about. That is of course, until you find something else to bitch about. The majority of Americans cannot stop finding fault long enough to be happy enough to enjoy themselves. That and the fact that everyone thinks the entire world wants your opinion. I am through preaching so you can go back to your “me me me” existence. It takes extra effort to be critical and zero effort to be happy. It’s called free will, therefore you are free not to ride Mystery Mine ; even free enough not to go to Dollywood. I have been hypocritical by criticizing your negative thoughts but maybe one person can glean something from this and will start to be positive, leaving one less miserable a-hole in the world.

This is a terrible move.