"I don't think he wanted an answer" Forrest nailed him.

Whenever someone says that the universe is complex, I always ask "Compared to what?"

@theepsteindiaries

2 ай бұрын

Gender

@tryme3969

2 ай бұрын

Compared to atheism.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

☝️ I see that you managed to land a pair of Pontii Troglodytarum! Great work Jon! 😁👍

@ministryofarguments3525

2 ай бұрын

@@tryme3969 Atheism is not complex in fact it's very simple. And you know that it is only the disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of a god or gods that have never been proven to be true.

@jonclark8252

2 ай бұрын

@@tryme3969 "Compared to atheism." Meaning what?

The fact the caller hung up as soon as Forrest mentioned amino acids, despite asking him for evidence of abiogenesis, is very telling.

If the Earth has a designer, the amount of flaws is shocking. If we'd hired a building firm to create it, we'd be demanding our money back.

@TheGamingLegendsOfficial

2 ай бұрын

they'd be getting sued into the ground, even.

@5-Volt

2 ай бұрын

Who are we to determine what a "flaw" is? Sorry things didn't turn out to fit one organism's subjective opinion on perfection. I think the Earth turned out great personally. We've had so many cool creatures throughout our pretty long history of life on this one rocky bubble. I'd say a building that lasts for over 3 and a half billion years & counting is a pretty well built structure.

@amtlpaul

2 ай бұрын

​@5-Volt who are we to have design standards?

@69eddieD

2 ай бұрын

@@5-Volt Some of us are engineers and can clearly see flaws, unlike empty headed goobers like you that just parrot what they're told from the pulpit.

@ericwilliams1659

2 ай бұрын

Can we get a refund or speak to the manager?

If the universe was designed, I demand for an 1.1 version, clearly the devs need to fix a lot of issues.

@5-Volt

2 ай бұрын

As far as evolution, each generation is basically a patch.

@jessie968

2 ай бұрын

Haha as a Christian, the 1.1 version is on its way.

@dwightfitch3120

2 ай бұрын

@@5-Volt”….basically a patch”. If u understand that, then why….

@dwightfitch3120

2 ай бұрын

@@jessie968Ur being a Christian or not has no effect on what will come

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@jessie968 "the 1.1 version is on its way" Like for 2000 years. And we can wait another billions until Sun turns into red giant and burn the Earth. 😀

Love it when theists bring up how complexity means there's a designer, but would then bend over backwards to justify how God himself doesn't need a designer even though he's so complex, he's beyond comprehension.

After Calab said according to the atheistic worldview, i knew he'd have nothing worth listening to

"Insert magic here" is not an answer. The ancients assumed that anything that they couldn't understand was a consequence of magic "Look at the trees, and don't step on talking snakes."

Caleb definitely had no clue what Forrest was talking about. And I suspect Caleb will go to his grave believing what he already believes.

I believed in a god, I watched “What Darwin never knew” nova documentary free on KZread and my belief in the Bible god was over. I didn’t watched a couple of atheist debates and then saw all the flaws in the Christian arguments and I was an atheist. Once you understand the evidence of evolution and are seeking truth you find we evolved from fish. That resets your thinking and the god belief just falls away as some man made story from our past

Something with fewer moving parts has fewer things that can go wrong with it. Whether simplicity can be achieved or not, the idea of design is to make things as simple as possible so they don't break as often.

Imaging your God giving you so little evidence that he exists that you have to cling on to the second law of thermodynamics.

@elgringo1893

2 ай бұрын

Something discovered by science 😂 Attempt to use a portion of science to agree with you when you reject the entirety of science at every turn is the most painfully ironic thing that theists don't realise that they do literally all the time. SCIENCE DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU, stop trying to pretend that it does 🙄

@quasnof

2 ай бұрын

It's worse, they cling to a misunderstanding of the secend law of thermodynamics.

@dawkins5824

2 ай бұрын

When will your atheist chemicals "evolve" into something more logical?

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

​@@dawkins5824when will you grow up

@quecee

2 ай бұрын

@@dawkins5824 Chemicals don't evolve. You should learn a bit of science before you even pretend that you know anything.

Design isn't "discovered" by its complexity. It's shown by its simplicity. Design is when something is put together the SIMPLEST way possible, to work. NOT the most complex convoluted way, with detrimental to its purpose, parts . 🤔🌏☮️

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

Specifically, _unnecessary_ complexity is the hallmark of natural processes. The right laryngeal nerve is a great example - unnecessarily complex.

Gotta love how they keep using the same arguments despite said arguments being debunked multiple times

The second law of thermodynamics argument always puzzles me. Do these people wake up in the morning, make a cup of coffee and then fall over in disbelief when the cold water they put in the pot is now piping hot, clearly violating the second law as they understand it?

@Beacon80

2 ай бұрын

I've pointed out to one of the local trolls here that I reduce entropy in open systems on a daily basis. I don't think he ever figured out how.

I find that Jim can be a bit hit and miss, but his opener on "complexity" in the discussion was spot on - one of the best responses I've seen on that topic. Nailed it perfectly. 👍 PS. I'm an "EE" and have a degree in physics as well.

The only thing more complicated would be this god you've imagined, So you have to make up special pleading rules that violate your own argument.

I want to thank Forest for rambling on for us people who actually want to learn more about where life came from

Thanks so much to Forest for a fantastic abiogenesis explanation. Not surprising that a creationist would end the call once reasonable explanations start flowing.

@dawkins5824

2 ай бұрын

Of course wishful thinking is the only thing to keep the religion atheism alive.

@pdoylemi

2 ай бұрын

Yes! Forrest is not always great with the more philosophical arguments, but he brings down the hammer on biology!

@acockbur

2 ай бұрын

Caleb's script ended at about 8th grade science. I am sure Forrest knew that was going to be the case.

@dwightfitch3120

2 ай бұрын

@@dawkins5824Dude, not every thing is a frigging religion. Atheism per se is simply a lack of belief in gods. It has no clergy or rituals or dogma. It’s not a world view, tho it may be part of one. Btw, religion is now bad? Maybe u should make up ur mind

God created the platypus an hour after He created marijuana. "You sent it out to production?? We were just goofing!"

You know what looks designed? Religion....

The biggest problem/issue with theists arguments or claims for the existence of God or a god is: that they start with the conclusion, the belief in and of a god and that god's existence. And then they prevent themselves from building up from the bottom by instead of building top down. Theists already know or want to believe there's a god. Science or non religious people who thinking rationally and logical start with trying to disprove a hypothesis. And not start with already having/knowing the answer they want it to be.

@ministryofarguments3525

2 ай бұрын

I think that you are describing Confirmation bias, the tendency to believe in what we want to be true, while ignoring or rejecting evidence that contradicts it. You can overcome it by looking for how to prove it is wrong. Unfortunately the vast majority of people are unwilling to do so and get set in their ways as is demonstrated by all the religiously motivated trolls that frequent the comment section. If you ask a religious person to prove what they believe they cannot nor can they see a way to try and prove their belief is wrong because of their Confirmation bias.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

​@@ministryofarguments3525it goes further than that as well, to _"motivated ignorance",_ whereby they _actively_ avoid information that contradicts their beliefs.

@ministryofarguments3525

2 ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Agreed. It seems that they are caught in their own web of lies.

@hewasfuzzywuzzy3583

2 ай бұрын

@@ministryofarguments3525 That's true and that is the short answer without the long explanation behind it I gave. Confirmation bias. Now cognitive dissonance is what most people have until they can or cannot get past what they struggle with accepting is or is not true-as in can and cannot be reasonably proven. And reasonably proven can and usually does depend on what that person can accept is rational and logical. I remember years ago when I experienced cognitive dissonance and thought to myself, "Well, if this is true than it wouldn't hurt to dig even further and learn more of the other side of the argument. The non believers side as to why they don't believe. And just how rational and logical those thoughts and that point of view may be or is." I deconstructed my beliefs that were technically never really "my beliefs." They were beliefs like most adults were taught when. They were children, and either came to their conclusions whether or not they could believe in the existence of their parents god in their parents or family's religion/faith. Rarely do enough people break every single thing about it all down and find and themselves on the other side of non-believer. That's why there's always more that do believe than those that don't believe. You made the same sense from another point of view and another way of explaining what it is and means to come to the conclusion of non-believer. Good to meet a fellow non-believer.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

​@@wwlib5390why do you keep lying about this? Don't you realise that it just serves to prove that in order to be a believer, I'd have to become a liar?

Christian caller runs away when confronted with facts ? Surely not ? But apparently so !

If you find a watch lying on a forest floor, you can look at it and say 'Here is something that was designed'. We know it's designed because it's very different from all the leaves and stuff around it. But, if all that stuff is also supposedly designed too, how is it we can tell the difference? Ergo, it wasn't designed.

It seems SO anthropomorphically arrogant, to say that a "conscious intelligence", like us, "obviously" started the universe. What ? We’ve been around, about the SHORTEST time, compared to everything else. What about before us ? Did none of those parts count ? 🤦‍♀️🌏☮️

@TheDahaka1

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's such a childish concept. "My dad made a chair with wood, so there must be a super daddy that made everything in the universe." I remember, when I was little, I believed that my parents were the kings of the world and they were faking the whole "no, we're just ordinary people" to teach me humility or something. Theists are those that never learned humility, since their parents filled their heads with the idea that the entire universe was made for them XD

@claudiaarjangi4914

2 ай бұрын

@@TheDahaka1 True as. And that thing 5yr olds do, eg- when hit by the door, saying " That naughty Mr door hit me, so I hit it back" etc, as if things have a "purpose" like a person, ( the persons that all had to make their own purpose anyway ). 🤔 And yep. It's the arrogant stance of "God changed EVERY person's movements, precisely, & EVERY atomic interaction, between me & that lucky moment, JUST to ensure I could get that lucky trinket when I asked for it". Huh ? They don't go through the logical steps that HAVE to happen, & what it leads to, if their beliefs were true. 🤔 I think it's also the fear that children have , when alone. Leaving their parents home, realizing they now HAVE to be responsible for themselves. ( That any mature person is SUPPOSED to learn to deal with, to BE an adult 🤦‍♀️.) It's exactly that fear, knowing they are in a cold, unthinking, uncaring universe, that DOESNT look out for them , personally. And the universe wasn't ready-made human-safe , already "walked" and safety-tested for us. So that means ANYthing could happen tomorrow. We could all die out from an asteroid , with all we've done, wasted. So it's "easier" to pretend "she'll be right, mate". Or "Daddy is paying all the big bills, so I only worry about the little bills", mentality. We make our own purpose. So it's lucky for us ( thank evolution 😋), that we can reason & use tools to broaden our consciousness of the world, to come up with better, more useful, earth-saving purposes. 😁🌏☮️ edit grammar 🤷‍♀️

If entropy was a thing in biology how did the caller progress from two simpler sex cells to a much more complex adult Human?

@sparki9085

2 ай бұрын

Entropy does effect biology, however, the second law of thermo only applies to closed systems, which the human body isnt. We eat food to gain the mass to grow.

Gotta LOVE Forest!!!

love and peace people and think before you speak ✌🏻

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

Talk about a forlorn hope.

@acebailey2478

2 ай бұрын

No u!

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

Good job, I'm using text 😁😁

This video makes me wish Forest had his own youtube channel explaining biology, from the basics up to more advanced concepts. That abiogenesis explanation was amazing!

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

2 ай бұрын

Forrest has his own YT channel, look for Forrest Valkai

@Beady-ys7et

2 ай бұрын

He does.

@alamunez

2 ай бұрын

Are you joking?

@atticmuse3749

2 ай бұрын

If this isn't a joke you're in for a pleasant surprise!

Antoine de st Exupery said, " the designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." Complexity argues against design.

I would love to see Forrest debate James Tour 🤞👍

Cue the ID trolls…

I absolutely love hearing Forrest talk about abiogenesis and the like. Always so fascinating.

This covered a significant portion of NEPy's copy pasta 🍝 talking points. But I doubt he'll even watch the video, much less learn anything from it.

Go Go Gadget Forrest!

Excellent explanation from Forrest as per usual. Anytime I hear "Intelligent Design " my eyes glaze over as it is the most ridiculous and easily disproven hypothesis for how the universe and life, as we know it, came about. I mean, just look at the logic. Either, a vast universe with literally BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of planets, occasionally by literally a BILLIONS to one chance, lines up all the "goldilocks ' criteria to create abiogenesis and then life occurs on the odd planet every so often over BILLIONS of years, which is basically what we see happen. OR an omnipotent, omnipresent, all powerful supernatural being, for which there is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever, decided to make the aforementioned BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of planets, but just decides to show off what he can do, on just ONE. This one. SERIOUSLY?? Which is the more reasonable? And surely he'd want to show off and fill every planet he could with life and say, look what I can do. It's like a painter getting all his rooms full of blank canvases, but painting just one. Mental. And is it really an INTELLIGENT Design? Really? 99.7 % of everything that has ever existed on Earth is now EXTINCT! It didn't work, did it? 99.99999% of the universe is DEAD and totally against ANY life being able to survive on it. Period. Even this one planet that we KNOW life exists upon is AGAINST us living happily on it. Do the maths!! Nearly 80% is ocean. 70% of what's left is either too hot or too cold, or just not conducive for existing. What's left is full of deadly snakes, spiders, insects, plants, viruses, diseases,volcanos, earthquakes, tidal waves, etc etc and if we somehow avoid all that crap, then other humans, hell bent on killing us, mostly and ironically, because their invisible "intelligent designer", is better than the other guy's invisibe "intelligent designer". Yes, to a god bothering muppet, surrounded only in "god did it" idiocy and his happy book of utterly asserted BULLSHIT, I can see why they'd possibly think that. But ten minutes of reading any actual relevant science book and it's all a load of bollocks!! Sorry, but ID is simply IDiotic. Lol

Explain why a negative claim requires evidence.

@user-pm3mw8xw8d

2 ай бұрын

Because it's a claim. If you can't support it, don't make a claim.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

​@@user-pm3mw8xw8dmy only claim is I don't believe you Since I don't believe you, my burden has been met.

@user-pm3mw8xw8d

2 ай бұрын

@@joshsheridan9511 What did I say that you don't believe?

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

@@user-pm3mw8xw8d if you claim a god exists, I don't believe you If you say the universe was designed I don't believe you If you claim DNA cannot be naturally occurring, I don't believe you

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

@@user-pm3mw8xw8d last one. if you say you are here for honest conversation, I don't believe you

If I didn't already follow the current scientific basis for life etc before today, after listening to Forrest i do now!!! His enthusiasm in explaining things is infectious!

This argument keeps on returning as “argument” for intelligent design: it’s so complex it couldn’t have come from nothing and so required a designer… Already as a child, when I was told that God created all, I asked myself: “okay, but then who created God?” It’s so obvious that it’s all BS. Greetings from Belgium (the mostly atheist country 🙏🏻) PS : I keep on praying for a world without religionS.

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

The best BEER country!

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

​@@diogeneslamp8004 And they have good chocolate and cheese.

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

2 ай бұрын

@@diogeneslamp8004 At the risk of having my "Aussie Man card" revoked, I agree🍻

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 Horses for courses, mate. I like to think excellent Australian beer exists (sandi know it’s _not_ Foster’s) and that thoughtful brewers create a product that matches well with the local cuisine. But if Australia produces roses, Belgium produces orchids. Belgium is the anti-reinheitsgebot. You know what I mean.

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

2 ай бұрын

@@diogeneslamp8004 👍🍻

Forest explaining abiogenesis to a person who learned "science" by Abeka making volcano models with baking soda and vinegar.

@tfg7905

2 ай бұрын

i love listening to Forest go on about... well, anything really but ii cant help but think that giving such explanations to people like this caller is not just overkill but it will flly miles above their head.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

​@@tfg7905Forrest isn't just talking to the caller and his rants tend to be more interesting than the callers drivel

Wow, thank you and I want to know more. I hope it's okay if I call in to your show.

Fundamental particles are simple. A collection of simple fundamental particles is simple. A collection of atoms is simple. A collection of molecules is simple. A collection of proteins is simple . . . A watch wheel tooth shape is simple. A combination of teeth on a wheel is simple. A collection of wheels and pinions is simple. If we use that simple collection of wheels and pinions to build a watch then it has purpose; until that point it is simple, but when we imagine purpose we erroneously consider complexity . It is only if we cannot see the intermediate steps of combinations of simple components that we might consider the result to be complex. I t i s o n l y i f w e a s s u m e p u r p o s e t h a t w e c a n i m a g i n e d e s i g n .

Just stopping by to thank God for this perfect World. He should be particularly proud of cancer, malaria, AIDS, earthquakes, legionnaire's disease, multiple sclerosis, meningitis, tuberculosis, Down syndrome, covid... Oh, hold on 🤔

@sideboob6851

2 ай бұрын

Flesh eating bacteria.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

Creationists

@holgerlubotzki3469

2 ай бұрын

I'm really proud of the way that science took another one of g0d creations, smallpox, and shoved it right up g0d's hole of holeys.

@jenna2431

2 ай бұрын

Box jellyfish

@Psittacosaurus

2 ай бұрын

Don’t forget harlequin ichthyosis, anencephaly and Lyme disease

The odds of finding a pile of sand with their grains in the exact location that you find them is just as astronomical - maybe even more so, as with a sandcastle, you at least have a defined template to try for - even if every grain does not precisely end up where you want it.

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

And the odds of my lottery ticket winning tonights jackpot is not even close to the probability of there being a jackpot winner. A lot if believers can't seem to make that distinction.

Hey man, look at the trees 🤣

@jamesparson

2 ай бұрын

Sorry . I am looking at my cat’s fleas and wondering if they are evidence of a loving god.

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

2 ай бұрын

@@jamesparson They won't cooperate - they're a close nit community.

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

2 ай бұрын

Hey man, look at the buds on that shrub😊

@ControlledWrinkles

2 ай бұрын

@@Hampton_Doubleday_Jrnot to be nitpicking, but that is an excellent play on words.

@stevepierce6467

2 ай бұрын

I look at the trees, esp. the big branches hanging over my roof, and that big storm approaching.......!!!!!!!☹

Well, if we're made in God's image, clearly he didn't design us. We're just copies. So who designed God?

Your software engineer guest is excellent 😊

Theists always start with their belief system and bend everything out of shape…their brains included, to make it “fit” their beliefs.

Do any theists have an explanation as to how God came into being (other than the classic cop-out "He has no beginning and no end, he's always been there"?

I wish we had a few million science teachers like Forrest. We need this in our public schools to fascinate our children and keep them engaged so they would learn these things at a young age so that we didn't have adults like this guy who is completely ignorant of how the universe works.

From the human perspective the Cosmos appears as both order and chaos - a combination of design and non design

@acebailey2478

2 ай бұрын

Ok

@ziploc2000

2 ай бұрын

Wrong

Life is composed and formed by non-life. Without it life cannot exist at all... Non-life exists quite happily without life.... I think this is highly significant.

Jim, do something about the ring light reflecting in your glasses, its very distracting :)

The universe is fine tuned for black holes and iron 😂

surely a good designer would make things as simple as possible, right?

Demonstrate this “designer”, what it is, how it created anything, why it “designed” things so ineffectually, how you know anything about it is accurate, who designed the designer, what’s its goal, why did it design us, and why it can’t show itself. Those are basic questions that are NEVER answered in a way that can be demonstrated. Claims can’t be a demonstration of this. Speculative ignorance either. Neither is “well what about” scripts in an attempt to say it’s true by default. Or personal attacks. If you don’t know how to demonstrate your god/designer/creator then why expect people to take it seriously? No amount of irrelevant deflections or apologetics can get around actually having to prove the thing you base your life around.

Are any intelligent design proponents in the comment section? If so, do you want to hear an idea that's demonstrably false and incoherent? It's the idea that an intelligent god was the original source of complex design and order. This idea is incoherent because God's intelligent mind would have to be a complex data processing system. That's what intelligence is. It's complex data processing. God couldn't have designed this system because it's part of him. In fact it's the system that allows him to form complex thoughts. So who designed God's complex intelligent mind? How could he design a universe if he couldn't even form the idea of what a universe is? If God was able to think intelligent thoughts, then complex order already had to exist before he created anything. If his intelligent mind wasn't created, did it evolve? If so, why couldn't the universe itself evolve and develop intelligence?

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

The 5th thread after yours is an ID prop. A touchy one, to boot!

He probably hung up the moment he realized he might learn something.

the typical watchmaker argument... "a watch is complex therefore its been designed", well its only complex when you know nothing about a watch, its not complex at all, you also know that a watch is designed because you compare its to other things that are not designed, like a random pile of leaves.

Thermodynamics demands complexity. All systems begin very simple with high energy, move through a point of peak complexity towards simplicity and low energy.

Stience...🤩

More like over engineered, and unnecessary complex. But, as this was the first time creating, flaws, kinks and errors are expected. And a good Wednesday Morning 🌞 AXP, Fans and Theists ❤❤❤ Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🤠

No. It doesn't. The end.

Unsurprising, but still disappointing, that Caleb bailed on a very good explanation of abiogenesis.Shame on you Caleb.

My question is... If Christians claim and then cant accept that something came from nothing... Where did God come from? Who is his creator? Where did he come from

@HonestJohn4TW

Ай бұрын

Typically they will grant an exception for God characterizing it as an eternal, non-contingent entity.

Answer is... NO.

I love seeing people just go off on subjects they know a lot a bout. Especially scientists. Although this clip has me wondering if universes are actually very common. If I'm remembering correctly, there was an experiment done where people tired to make a nothing by trying to make a perfect vacuum. Theses weird particles started popping in and out of existence. There could be a very large space outside our universe in which a vacuum with "nothing" exist but theses particles also have a chance of just popping into existence? Could something like that cause a singularity? I would be surprised if I'm not off base.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

"Theses weird particles started popping in and out of existence." Yes, they're very annoying. I always bring virtual particles when some theistic ignorant start babbling about cause or something from nothing. 😀

@thecriticalone1783

2 ай бұрын

@@Seticzech is that what they are called? It's not a subject I know much about, so I tend to avoid it when talking to theists.

@thecriticalone1783

2 ай бұрын

@@Seticzech just for clarification, I'm not saying my bong hit idea is true or likely, I'm just genuinely cerous if it has any possibility what so ever.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@thecriticalone1783 Yes, virtual particles in quantum fluctuation. They're called virtual but they're real, proved by experimants. Another example of possible something from nothing is the Schwinger effect, also proved by experiments. It's possibility that the Schwinger effect played role in the early stage of the universe when the first quantum particles were formed.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@thecriticalone1783 Possibility of what? Perfect quantum vaccum? I believe it's impossible.

It is I imagine possible for a type V civilization to exist...I don't think we could comprehend it though. Their Technology and processes would be so advanced to be able to create entire universes, to manipulate the fabric of time and space itself.

@user-pm3mw8xw8d

2 ай бұрын

Is there an official name for your science fiction-based religion?

@JagNavBrett

2 ай бұрын

@@user-pm3mw8xw8d are you familiar with the Kardashev Scale?

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

​@@user-pm3mw8xw8ddo you enjoy making a fool of yourself?

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

​@@joshsheridan9511might want to rethink your comment there.

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Well played.

Forrest, you are a lot of fun and very smart and nothing you said was in the slightest bit wrong but DANG dude someone needs to put a shock collar on you to get you to pass the ball sometimes. Every time you spoke it became a 5 minute mini lecture when a couple sentences would have been just fine.

"everything that exists, everywhere" is complex? As a whole? Obviously it's very complex. I'm sure there are areas of what could be argued as "simplistic", depending on a shitload of variations.

It is theists who claim an imagined something existing nowhere, made itself and everything else out of the same nothingness?

Instead of answering by saying "i don't know" would it not be better responding with "i or we are learning " ??

@sloporion

2 ай бұрын

No, because you might not be necessarily learning that yet. Forrest isn't learning how the universe was created in the same way that astrophysicists aren't learning how cancer can be eradicated. I don't know is not only the easiest way to answer, it's also the most correct in many cases.

@sloporion

2 ай бұрын

Also, using "we are learning" to describe the global "we" could, and likely WOULD, be misconstrued as the speaker is learning. So, if I know you have no expertise in the topic, it would be VERY easy to ask you what you've learned and you'd have to back-pedal to clarify that you don't mean you, which is all theists need to retreat smugly back to their gods.

@patobrien235

2 ай бұрын

@@sloporion OK,but how about saying we are willing to learn

'It was designed ' expoused by people who know nothing about design or science.

Are tide pools the current favorite location for abiogenesis? Last I heard it was deep sea vents. Just curious.

@holgerlubotzki3469

2 ай бұрын

Making up BS is fine if you keep it to yourself in your mom's basement. Broadcasting it to the world is only going to get you laughed at.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

Hydrothermal vents were a leading hypothesis for a while (owing to the unique chemistry and high energy gradient), but it's mostly abandoned now since it (appears) to be unable to overcome many of the hurdles (such as homochirality). Pools of water containing clay-based rocks, that dry out, then refill cyclically, have been demonstrated in the lab and in situ, to solve many of those issues, including creating matching homochiral amino acids.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

​@@GroundhogRoy not NEPy.

7%

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

Irrelevant, what next? "Look at the trees" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@exceptionallyaverage3075

2 ай бұрын

93%

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

2 ай бұрын

7% nar that's a tad weak, I like the 60% to 90% 🍻

The caller ran down his list of every dumb golden apologist oldie

12:30 What does Jim mean when he says that science had proven that there can't be a 'nothing' inside the universe? Which experiments were that?

@drownoble

2 ай бұрын

What "nothing" actually IS, is the issue. If you take a sample of "nothing" and apply some attributes to it, then it isn't "nothing" it's now "something". Even empty space has something in it: particles, radiation, etc. The idea is everything in the Universe is something, so nothing cannot exist (or hasn't been shown to be able to).

@EllasPOSEiDON

2 ай бұрын

Most probably there never was such thing as nothing.

@Marika_ER

2 ай бұрын

"Nothing" doesn't exist. If so, go ahead and point to what "Nothing" is

@efi3825

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, the idea is difficult philosophically. He just said it as if physicists had some particle collider and could verify anything. Anyway, thanks for the answers.

@user-pm3mw8xw8d

2 ай бұрын

He was just stating his philosophical belief, and added a little lie to it.

It should be fairly easy to demonstrate that order can spontaneously arise from chaos - if indeed it's possible.

@diogeneslamp8004

2 ай бұрын

Ice forms from water.

@Psittacosaurus

2 ай бұрын

Sand forms patterns on a vibrating platform, look it up, it’s really neat

@user-pm3mw8xw8d

2 ай бұрын

@@Psittacosaurus From chaotic sounds? 🤔

@Psittacosaurus

2 ай бұрын

@@user-pm3mw8xw8d the sand is in a chaotic arraignment until the vibrations begin, did you look it up? Are you going to? If not, why not?

@shrews12001

2 ай бұрын

Nothing that exists is required to be easy for you to understand, control, or duplicate

Just because you don't think it's a good design, doesn't mean it isn't designed. I disagree with how Ford designed their Explorer vehicles, but they are still designed. And complexity developing in the systems of large corporations doesn't happen "organically". They don't just pop into the company. No, there was someone or some people in that company that added it in, for whatever reason. I would argue that the universe is more fine-tuned rather than simply saying it's complex. Personally, my mind cannot rationalize a universe such as ours manifesting out of a mindless process. First, we still don't know exactly what was there before it all started. Many guesses have been established, but they all seem to fall short. I believe this is because we are looking for a cause to the universe that is made up of what the universe is (matter, space, and time). The ultimate cause of matter, space, and time would have to be outside of all 3 because all 3 of these things came into existence at the exact same moment. At one point, there was zero matter, space, and time. If those 3 weren't at the very beginning, then the source would need to be different than those 3 things. It would need to be immaterial, spaceless, and timeless. It would also have to be powerful to generate all of this. It would need to Inteligent to piece it together so that it survives. It would need to be personal to decide to manifest the universe. Natural laws don't make decisions, they just do what they do. When I drop a pen, gravity won't decide one day to be like "nah, it's staying up there." So, the source at some point outside of time decided to manifest the universe.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

Just because you think something is designed doesn't means it is designed. Comparing things we KNOW they were designed (because humans designed them) with things that just exist is simply stupld. "I would argue that the universe is more fine-tuned" Nonsense, there is no fine tuning anywhere. "my mind cannot rationalize a universe such as ours manifesting out of a mindless process" So what? 😀 "we still don't know exactly what was there before it all started" That doesn't mean it was designed. "The ultimate cause of matter, space, and time would have to be outside of all 3 because all 3 of these things came into existence at the exact same moment." That's nonsense, there was no matter in the early stages of the universe. Matter formed lately after some cooling. Btw there are not space and time, there is only spacetime.

@jessie968

2 ай бұрын

@@Seticzech "Nonsense" or "So what?" aren't arguments. Listen man, the chances of an internet conversation bringing an atheist to Christ is slim to none. I'll simply tell you this. Bible prophecies are currently jumping off the pages. It's very much active today. There isn't much time left before He returns. He will come for His believers soon. When that happens, millions will be gone, including all children. When that happens, remember this comment and believe. Jesus Christ isn't asking anyone to be perfect or good. He knows none of can. He stepped down and earned salvation for us. We simply need to trust in Him, believe on Him. This doesn't mean to sin all you want afterwards... Paul warns about that. God will chasten His children (believers). He will punish us. But, Hell is no longer on the table for a believer. Jesus Christ made sure of that. GOD made sure of that. God bless you... truly.

@sparki9085

2 ай бұрын

​@@jessie968just because you dont think that the universe can come out of a mindless process doesnt mean a god did it. And that assertion would also be something youd have to prove

@jessie968

2 ай бұрын

@@sparki9085 Show me how code/information/instructions can come from a mindless source.

@t800fantasm2

2 ай бұрын

@@jessie968 "code/information/instructions " Simple... Something works, so it repeats... something doesn't work, so it never repeats...

Fine tuning factors: (1) Gravitational force constant (2) Electromagnetic force constant (3) Strong nuclear force constant (4) Weak nuclear force constant (5) Cosmological constant Initial Conditions and “Brute Facts” (6) Initial distribution of mass energy (7) Ratio of masses for protons and electrons (8) Velocity of light (9) Mass excess of neutron over proton “Local” Planetary Conditions (10) Steady plate tectonics with right kind of geological interior (11) Right amount of water in crust (12) Large moon with right rotation period (13) Proper concentration of sulfur (14) Right planetary mass (15) Near inner edge of circumstellar habitable zone (16) Low-eccentricity orbit outside spin-orbit and giant planet resonances (17) A few, large Jupiter-mass planetary neighbors in large circular orbits (18) Outside spiral arm of galaxy (19) Near co-rotation circle of galaxy, in circular orbit around galactic center (20) Within the galactic habitable zone (21) During the cosmic habitable age Effects of Primary Fine-Tuning Parameters (22) The polarity of the water molecule

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

"(1) Gravitational force constant" BS, I know only graviational constant "(2) Electromagnetic force constant" non-existent BS "(3) Strong nuclear force constant" non-existent BS "(4) Weak nuclear force constant" non-existent BS "(5) Cosmological constant" It's not numeric constant "Initial Conditions and “Brute Facts”" LMAO 😀 "(6) Initial distribution of mass energy" What? 😀 "(7) Ratio of masses for protons and electrons" What? 😀 "(8) Velocity of light" So? "(9) Mass excess of neutron over proton" So? "“Local” Planetary Conditions" LMAO 😀 "(10) Steady plate tectonics with right kind of geological interior" So? Many planets have that. "(11) Right amount of water in crust" To what? 😀 "(12) Large moon with right rotation period" nonsensical BS "(13) Proper concentration of sulfur" To what? 😀 "(14) Right planetary mass" To what? 😀 "(15) Near inner edge of circumstellar habitable zone" plus minus sevreal millions miles (between perihelion and aphelion) 😀 "(16) Low-eccentricity orbit outside spin-orbit and giant planet" What? 😀 "(17) A few, large Jupiter-mass planetary neighbors in large circular" So? "(18) Outside spiral arm of galaxy" So? Millions similar galaxies just in visible part of universe. Even the closest one - Andromeda "(19) Near co-rotation circle of galaxy, in circular orbit around galactic center!" What? 😀 "(20) Within the galactic habitable zone" Almost whole galaxy except centre with blackhole. 😀 "(21) During the cosmic habitable age" What? 😀😀😀😀 "(22) The polarity of the water molecule" What? 😀😀😀😀 Everything total BS. Try again.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

No fine tuning, just your ignorancy and supldlty.

@69eddieD

2 ай бұрын

Your list was just debunked yesterday. Therefore, you are lying for Jesus.

@paulfromcanada5267

2 ай бұрын

@@Seticzechoh nice, you’ve given me homework. Will look it over and respond.

@paulfromcanada5267

2 ай бұрын

@@Seticzechwhy do you have to be like that?😇

Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

@shrews12001

2 ай бұрын

Meh. Nah.

Does the first law of thermodynamics apply to the entire universe. 4:15

@shrews12001

2 ай бұрын

No.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

It doesn't even apply to the CONTENTS of the entire universe, let alone the universe itself! 🤦 *Technically:* Energy is a NOT a conserved quantity, as per Noether's Theorem, rather it's the "energy-momentum tensor". Energy is created and destroyed, ALL over the universe, at all points in history. It only APPEARS conserved in gravitationally bound space-time (which is where we live, in our galaxy, which is why it's terrific for general physics, and chemistry).

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

No.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

Nope

True Forrest it's amazing how much life has been produced from non life. Why would we even consider anything else. 10:34

@shrews12001

2 ай бұрын

Correct

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

I'll consider anything that there is evidence supporting. When you have some evidence for your God existing, I'll consider it. Come back when you find some. I'll wait.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

Life is not product. 🤣🤣🤣

@tommy32408

2 ай бұрын

@@Seticzech I don't think so either.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@tommy32408 So why you wrote such nonsense in the first comment?

Nothing can not exist..HaHaHaHa ! Well heck that explains it...dang. 12:44 Jim you should not say anything for awhile...save yourself.

@shrews12001

2 ай бұрын

He's right.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

OP doesn't understand, so says the stoopid out loud.

@wyldink1

2 ай бұрын

You think it is possible for there to be nothing?

@tommy32408

2 ай бұрын

@@wyldink1 Hard to imagine, but yes.

@tommy32408

2 ай бұрын

@user-dy3uh Only in your way of thinking.

Caleb, these guys kicked their on butts....stay strong

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

Delusional or dishonest?

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

Parroting troll is back. Released from asylum?

@amtlpaul

2 ай бұрын

On butts?

@tommy32408

2 ай бұрын

@@Seticzech Hahaha! Thank you !

@tommy32408

2 ай бұрын

@@amtlpaul own. Thanks...

A singularity which is a place. sounds like something to me 12:29

@shrews12001

2 ай бұрын

Yes.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

Yes, it was a (and still is) place: everywhere. But of course you can't (and don't want) to understand that.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

Only theists are babbling about nothing. 🙂

@Beacon80

2 ай бұрын

Tell me you didn't understand what Jim said without saying you didn't understand what Jim said.

@tommy32408

2 ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Are you saying a singularity is nothing.

So is Microsoft Dynamics 365 complicated, how about the worm written between 2005 and 2010. They both have creators, they both were designed. 2:25

@shrews12001

2 ай бұрын

None of that is relevant

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

The shapes of the sand dunes comprising the Namibian desert is RIDICULOUSLY complicated. Was that designed?

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

Microsoft Dynamics 365 is artificial product developed by pepople, we KNOW that. You're demagogue.

@sloporion

2 ай бұрын

Yes, flawed human beings creating overly complex things is definitely a part of design. An omniscient and omnipotent being would know how to and would want to design it in a very non-complex way. They certainly wouldn't have created the recurrent laryngeal nerve the way they did.

@tommy32408

2 ай бұрын

@@sloporion Wow you know what a omniscient, omnipotent being would do and should do. See that's why your on a level above us.

I'm just curious, would you rather spend 10 years in prison for praying next to an abortion clinic or would you rather spend 10 hours in prison for blocking thousands or millions of hard working, law abiding citizens from getting in or out of a city?

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

2 ай бұрын

Did you not take the medication the doctor gave you?

@AXKfUN9m

2 ай бұрын

@@ookekklibarianbornagain6708 She left her meds in the abortion clinic she burned down.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

Why do you lie about this?

@holgerlubotzki3469

2 ай бұрын

Would you rather spend a week in after school detention for calling your teacher a nasty name or would you rather get expelled from school for slashing the headmaster's tyres?

@shaylagonser9341

2 ай бұрын

@@holgerlubotzki3469 What about the things that are happening in New York? Apparently it's not a crime to physically assault women anymore.

Of course a complex universe shows design.

@thebookofclyde1822

2 ай бұрын

@paulfromcanada5267 If the universe shows design, how do you detect whether a particular feature or object is designed? If you don't have a way to make that test, then you're just assuming your conclusion.

@t800fantasm2

2 ай бұрын

1... Male mammals have none functioning nipples. 2... We pee through our sex organs. 3... You can die from diseases acquired while trying to reproduce. 4... Most of the water on earth is fatal if drunk by humans. 5... Most of the planet is hostile to unprotected humans. 6... Above around 15,000 feet there is not enough oxygen to allow you to live. 7... The planet has thousands of diseases that can injure or kill you... 8... Large quantities of fruits, plants and even some animals are too toxic to eat.. 9... There are thousands of insects that can annoy or kill you... 10.. Many large animals will kill you for food. 11.. Many other humans will kill you, some for food... 12.. The sun will kill you if you get too much exposure... 13.. There are toxic elements that can kill you. 14.. Volcanoes, weather, earthquakes and such can and do kill people.... 15.. One day the sun will expand and destroy our home planet, that is if a comet or asteroid doesn't kill us first... 16.. Birth defects can kill or maim you... 17.. You are one of several billion lifeforms that evolved over billions of years, on one of bunch of non-descript planets, asteroids and rocks, orbiting a mid-range yellow G-class star, itself, only one of hundreds of billions in a backwards part of the Milky Way galaxy, which in of itself is one of hundreds of billions galaxies, many larger than our own, in a perhaps infinite universe that may be one of an infinite number of universes, that may have thousands if not billions of other intelligent life forms, in one tiny slice of time out of billions of years.... And you think it's all about YOU.... How f**king sad is that.... 18.. Mental illnesses... 19.. Allergies to plants, foods, metals, pretty much anything are not unusual... 20.. Your eyesight, strength and physical capabilities are less than many other animals... 21.. You can die from drinking too much water.. (No I don't mean drowning...(#22) 23.. Your testicles have to hang below your body because so called Fine Tuning didn't allow for the need for them to be cooler than if they were inside your body... 24.. Women can die in childbirth. 25.. Parts of your body are redundant... Appendix, tonsils, tail bones etc... 26.. Most of the universe is unreachable to us.... Why is it there? 27.. Most of the universe is fatal to humans yet Tardigrades can exist in many places we would die... Is it fine tuned for the Tardigrade? 28.. This may not be the only universe. Maybe this one is broken in ways we can't imagine... 29.. There is no proof that this universe has not always existed. 30.. We do not know if there are other lifeforms out there that are better suited to this universe. 34.. For all you know, we may be a food crop seeded here by another race.... 35.. When this planet was formed, it didn't support life at all... 36.. Why, if this is fine tuned, is the universe not absolutely perfect for us? 37.. The Earth's orbit around the sun is not a perfect circle. It's about 5 million km closer on one side than the other and also changes each year. 38.. The moon is slowly drifting further and further from Earth...It's orbit also changes over time... 39.. We fit into this universe because we can. If the universe was different the way we fit would probably be different and people would think that one was fine tuned for us... 40.. Why do humans kill each other. 41.. So god "designs" us with a foreskin then demands we cut it off. Kind of weird that. 42.. "Situs Inversus" is a condition where your internal organs are reversed compared to most. 43.. Some humans are still born with vestigial tails... 44.. Tell me about women who have 3 breasts... how do two on one side and one on the other show symmetry? 45.. Tell me about men born with 1 testicle? 46.. Polyorchidism is a very rare condition. Men with this condition are born with more than two testes, also known as testicles or gonads. 47. Uterine Didelphys is a disorder present before birth in which a female develops two uteruses instead of one. 48. RANCHI: A girl born with three eyes and two noses has been attracting hordes of people who believe her to be an incarnation of Hindu god Shiva. 49. The Earth's rotation is slowing down. 50. The Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth. 51. Some animals can see polarised light. Most humans can not. 52. While the conditions for the creation of life are seemingly improbable, all other conditions are equally improbable. 53. If this universe is intelligently designed, then why is so much of it out of reach and for the most part not even visible to us. 54. Why can't animals talk? 55. Why do people have different levels of intelligence? 56. If the universe did not develop this way, then maybe it would be suited for some other form of life that might have ended up thinking about how the universe was intelligently designed for them... 57. Why would anyone think that this universe, billions of light years across that we will not even likely ever get to see or ever reach , was fine tuned for anyone? 58. If the universe was fine tuned, then why isn't there life on every planet? 59. Recurrent laryngeal nerve that starts at the top of the neck, goes down into the chest, loops under the aorta, the comes back up to the larynx in many creatures. 60. There are creatures that reproduce by implanting their larva in other creatures to eat them alive from within. 61. Parasitic organisms such as tapeworms. 62. Our so perfectly designed universe, purposefully made for us could, at any point, wipe us out with a random gamma ray burst, or meteor or solar flare. 64. Jellyfish are essentially immortal being unable to die of old age. Why aren't we? 65. This entire universe may one day collapse back in on itself to create yet another singularity that may eventually expand into a new universe. 66. Your digestive juices can eat away at your stomach causing ulcers even death... 67. Your tongue can fall into the back of your throat cutting off your air supply and killing you... 68. Regurgitating digestive juices can damage vocal cords and or the lungs... 69. You can have food allergies to common human foods... 70. Parasitic worms can survive in your digestive tract

@paulfromcanada5267

2 ай бұрын

@@thebookofclyde1822??? Not sure I’m following. Here are the main components. Each one can be expanded on. Cosmic Constants (1) Gravitational force constant (2) Electromagnetic force constant (3) Strong nuclear force constant (4) Weak nuclear force constant (5) Cosmological constant Initial Conditions and “Brute Facts” (6) Initial distribution of mass energy (7) Ratio of masses for protons and electrons (8) Velocity of light (9) Mass excess of neutron over proton “Local” Planetary Conditions (10) Steady plate tectonics with right kind of geological interior (11) Right amount of water in crust (12) Large moon with right rotation period (13) Proper concentration of sulfur (14) Right planetary mass (15) Near inner edge of circumstellar habitable zone (16) Low-eccentricity orbit outside spin-orbit and giant planet resonances (17) A few, large Jupiter-mass planetary neighbors in large circular orbits (18) Outside spiral arm of galaxy (19) Near co-rotation circle of galaxy, in circular orbit around galactic center (20) Within the galactic habitable zone (21) During the cosmic habitable age Effects of Primary Fine-Tuning Parameters (22) The polarity of the water molecule

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

Who designed that even more complex designer?

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

@@paulfromcanada5267 "Cosmic Constant" Thete is no such thing as COSMIC constant. 😀 Constants you listed are just descriptions of some properties of this unverse. There were NOT PREDETERMINED. "Effects of Primary Fine-Tuning Parameters" BS.

How is it too complex. A rock appears from no where. Life from non live. a single cell. Nothing complex or unusual about these. 12:07 You guys need to get some different arguments.

@shrews12001

2 ай бұрын

Willfully misinterpreting an argument isn't a refutation

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

But an INFINITELY COMPLEX thinking being, existing from nowhere, is fine? 🤦

@tommy32408

2 ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 God, yes believed by many.

@dwightfitch3120

2 ай бұрын

@@tommy32408Number of believers is no indication of how true an idea is. U probably realize this on some level

@tommy32408

2 ай бұрын

@@dwightfitch3120 I'll grant you that, but it does make it more likely.

In my life I have done a lot of memorization and I know what I am talking about. It is not easy to memorize what I just said, let alone around 600 pages of ofuscated, confusing, unintelligible, vague, umbiguous, unrelated text. I am talking about the Quran, is not the end of Islam what you have always wanted?. The Quran has not been memorized or the claim tested. Why? Belittles me the belief that someone can memorize the entire Quran when I struggle to memorize my first memory of my existence. I managed to memorize in russian a few pages from books for beginners from adventure and fantasy tales. Nice books easy to read and difficult to remember. I don't believe anyone has ever memorized the Quran because you would want to prove yourself to the world, it would be kind of a miracle such memory to prove the true God is Allah. Can anyone train the memory so much as to be able to memorize the Quran? I would convert if a muslim writes from memory the entire book in front of me. Proof first hand, the resurrection in front of my eyes. I am a psychologist, not a charlatan looking for attention, and I have discovered atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. The true God is Spinoza's God. Life and Death are connected. I think when the body dies causes the mind to transform to know all for eternity, like you would like reality to be, perfect. God is simply everything, that's all, past present and future. Thank you.

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

Blablala, blabla. You're welcome.

@ookekklibarianbornagain6708

2 ай бұрын

Reported for Unwanted commercial content or spam.

@joshsheridan9511

2 ай бұрын

There's just as much evidence for a god in the quran as there is in the bible

@69eddieD

2 ай бұрын

Just because you can smell wood burning doesn't mean you're thinking.

@Beacon80

2 ай бұрын

How is memorization at all relevant?

The universe just appeared, that is cool, no magic there..10:57

@shrews12001

2 ай бұрын

That's correct

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

God just existed, that is cool, no magic there. 🤦

@tommy32408

2 ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 Always has, makes it even cooler..

@dwightfitch3120

2 ай бұрын

@@tommy32408Don’t understand why ppl think an all powerful entity creating everything ex no hilo (meaning from nothing, BTW) is so great and wonderful, and they don’t see how much more great and amazing natural processes having done it is

Deist & intelligent design believer here 🙋‍♀️ I absolutely love hearing Forrest gush about how cool it is that nature does what it does "all by itself". What keeps me from being an atheist & will most likely always keep me a Deist is that I don't believe nature does what it does "all by itself". Science explains HOW nature works but it will probably never explain WHY.

@tonyclements1147

2 ай бұрын

And ancient literature does explain why? 🙄

@SevenPr1me

2 ай бұрын

Oh nice twist to the appeal to mystery fallacy.

@5-Volt

2 ай бұрын

@@tonyclements1147 No. Nothing explains why.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

So you believe in yetis and pixies?

@5-Volt

2 ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 No.. How are mythical creatures relevant to chemistry & abiogenesis?

"In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and Earth" and it has never been improved upon since. John 3 16 invites you to know God's love to you through Christ and Him crucified and resurrected and His great promise.

@drsatan3231

2 ай бұрын

🥱

@Seticzech

2 ай бұрын

In the beginning man created god in his own image. That's why god is not perfect but has human attributes like anvy, jealoucy, violence, misogyny, regrets, or urges. God is PURE FICTION.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

*A **_Book Full of Errors Says a Thing_** Fallacy.* Derp!

@shrews12001

2 ай бұрын

No part of that is true.

@wwlib5390

2 ай бұрын

@@shrews12001 Thanks for your opinion. i feel free to share mine as well. I wish you well.

Are nonbelievers living for The Truth?

@ministryofarguments3525

2 ай бұрын

Why are you not able to prove your belief nor try to prove it wrong? What Confirmation bias is stopping you?

@acebailey2478

2 ай бұрын

Tf you talking bro?

@rickdelatour5355

2 ай бұрын

Yes.

@t800fantasm2

2 ай бұрын

Why don't you grow up...? You post like a mentally ill child...

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

WhyTrollYouMust, Criss Massey? Do you think your idiotic attempts at GOTCHAS helps your case, or does it just serve to prove that theism REQUIRES dishonesty?

Forrest V is full of sh....

@sideboob6851

2 ай бұрын

Sheep?

@ministryofarguments3525

2 ай бұрын

And I guess that you think that you are not?

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

... says the scientifically illiterate troll. Dismissed.

@ThroneofDavid8

2 ай бұрын

@@sideboob6851 Sure.

@ThroneofDavid8

2 ай бұрын

@@ministryofarguments3525 I could be, who knows?

The argument is SPECIFICALLY ORDERED complexity aimed at third purpose utility requires design, not mere 'complexity.' But hey, why feed pearls to swine?

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

And yet, here you are, every single day, clutching your pearls. So are you going to tell us about your you ended up on the "Register" in Oklahoma?

@JimCastleberry

2 ай бұрын

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 You still have no answers. You still have your empty lies. You're a real zero. Consider exiting, before you hurt any more kids.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2

2 ай бұрын

​@@JimCastleberry I'm not the one in the register, Daniel.

@stephenolan5539

2 ай бұрын

​@@JimCastleberry Demonstrate that there is purpose.

@SevenPr1me

2 ай бұрын

​@@JimCastleberrydefine this "purpose" you speak of