My only comment is that the pastor said, "You must." I think a better way is to say, "You will" submit to the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord. Why? That is the fruit of justification by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. Does anyone study and understand the doctrine of sanctification?

Lordship salvation conflates the law and the gospel. Faith is the open hand that receives the completed work of Christ, while our surrender (repentance/sanctification) is the fruit of true saving faith. Surrender is the fruit, not the root of our justification. Lordship salvation adds fruit as a part of the root. It kills assurance and is not biblical. Todd, I recommend listening to Theocast, The Pactum Theology Podcast, and talk to Mike Abendroth. And continue studying the reformation. Lordship salvation was already addressed and corrected by the reformers.

@ihiohoh2708

5 ай бұрын

Just about any PCA pastor would disagree with it. I find it odd that Lordship salvation is even still prevalent. I know my Baptist friends don't like offering much assurance of salvation, but this is ridiculous. John MacArthur is basically at the head of this false teaching and it's almost like everyone ignores he's literally a Nestorian heretic. "It's heretical to call the blood of Christ, the blood of God." - Also if you look at his stances on Mary, as though it's wrong to call Mary the mother of God. Yet people still treat him like he's the pope. My dear Baptist friends, please learn law and gospel distinction! You are causing so much unnecessary anxiety to the true believers.

@themelaman

3 ай бұрын

Just yesterday I found Theo cast and listened to them for the first time. It was life-changing, and it's led to a more deeper understanding of the scripture. It's led to me worshiping Jesus alone. It's led to motivation to please him, knowing that my salvation is complete in him and has no part in my works

@JeP-lz4ti

3 ай бұрын

@@themelaman Law and gospel distinction, this is what the original Reformers held to. Modern evangelicals like to preach law, but no gospel. Either that or they are antinomian. There seems to be very little in between. I'm no longer a Baptist, but when I was I was only ever taught law. It is a terrible trap to be in that destroys faith, if you can even have any at all in such a situation.

@Monokitsune

2 ай бұрын

Theocast represent.

You can't "make" Jesus your Lord. Why? He already is Lord! 1 Cor. 8:6

Salvation is a FREE gift through faith in the finished works of Jesus Christ. It's a once and for all gift, and if you think you can earn your way into heaven by your works, then you completely void what our Messiah did on the cross. While discipleship will cost you everything and your works will earn you great treasures in Heaven but what false teachers seem to do is combine discipleship with salvation.

Is it Faith or is it Works. Is it by Faith Alone or is it Lordship Salvation. I hate this ambiguity when pastors disagree and contradict themselves during their same dialogue. They make it a paradox. They don't even know how to be saved themselves.

@zacharycochran9323

6 ай бұрын

The reformers had it right. Salvation is by faith alone, but that saving faith is never alone. Faith without works is dead. Saving faith is more than intellectual ascent to certain facts, that saving faith changes you, realizing who you are and who God is, and changes the nature of man.

@sleed4639

6 ай бұрын

@@zacharycochran9323 The Criminal who Jesus was with on cross didn't have time to change. The moment he believed on Jesus, he was saved.

@zacharycochran9323

6 ай бұрын

@@sleed4639 Hey there, you seem to not be understanding what I meant. I said "changes the nature of man". The thief on the cross was born again. We know this because Jesus said in John 3 that you HAVE to be born again to see the Kingdom of God. God changed the thief on the cross. *If* they would have let that thief off the cross before he died, he would have went on and served Jesus, because he was a new creation and would have served Christ. He obviously did not have the chance because he was on a cross. No one here is arguing that he wasn't saved, and I clearly stated in my previous reply that salvation is by faith alone. But what is faith? Faith is true belief. If I truly believe something, it will manifest itself in my actions. Its faith alone, but that faith is not alone, it manifests itself in how I live my life and who I live my life for.

@sarahroach7385

6 ай бұрын

It's not complicated through your tradition you're making it that way the scripture says that you will be a new creation if the Lord has saved you Roman says that if you confess Jesus says Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved once you receive that new heart you will confess him as Lord people that worship their own free will think that they make Jesus Lord of their lives he is Lord

@houstonevangelicalministries

6 ай бұрын

@@sleed4639 What? It's in the Bible! That same thief went from mocking: “why don't you just save yourself, Jesus?" to humility: "remember me in your kingdom." He repented, and it's on paper! Jesus saw that change in His heart. My goodness, turn from your sins or you will by no means enter the kingdom of God.

Faith comes from understanding, and understanding comes from the Word of God.

@billcarney829

9 күн бұрын

Romans 10:17

We are saved by grace alone, and if we are saved, the Holy Spirit works to conform us to Jesus' image through our lives. Lordship is the product of a relationship with Jesus, not the means. However, I have to ask this question - If Jesus is not Lord of your life, then who is?

@mikezbeatz7122

Ай бұрын

Saved by Grace “alone”? Where is that? I know we’re saved by Grace through Faith. But the Bible doesn’t even say it’s faith alone that we’re saved by. Not trying to argue, but maybe you could elaborate on what you meant by that?

@JosephBoxmeyer

Ай бұрын

​​@@mikezbeatz7122 it has become popular to argue that "Paul never says 'by faith ALONE' " and by this they mean that Paul agrees with James 2:24 where James insists "a man is justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.". Please understand that James wants us to connect that "faith ALONE" to his "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS". Do you see this? In verse 14 that faith would not save. Here that faith without works will not justify. Faith without works IS THE SAME AS faith alone. James is making sure that we see this in James 2:24. Now I must present that James 2:20 and 2:26 "faith without works" in Greek. Hy pistis koris ergon. But here is the shocker that nobody tells you about; in Romans 4:5 and 6 Paul insists that the only faith that justified is "the faith......without works". This is THE SAME hy pistis....koris ergon!!!! This means that Paul is insisting that justification is "BY FAITH ALONE". We have been lied to!! That very faith without works which James denounces is the only faith that saves and justifies!! It MUST BE A FAITH ALONE. It must be what James derides and denounces as a "dead faith". James is intentionally CONTRADICTING PAUL! They say that James wrote first therefore he couldn't have contradicted Paul. I have read many commentaries on James. They all read Greek and they all say this . Why? In case you find these contradictions in Greek. But in Galatians 1:18-19 Paul says that three years after his conversion he spent fifteen days talking to Peter AND JAMES! Why is this significant? Because Peter then understood the gospel and the justification by faith alone without works just as Paul would later write it in Romans chapters three and four and five. Paul certainly told Peter that Abraham was justified BY FAITH ALONE and NOT BY WORKS. But who else heard all of this???? JAMES¡!!!! So when Paul wrote of Abraham justified by faith in Gal. 3:6 Peter has already heard Paul teach this. ( and so had James!). If you had written a letter to all of the scattered Jews (James 1:1) would you have included the gospel? Of course! But James didn't!!!!

@Revelationlighthouse

Ай бұрын

@@mikezbeatz7122 Read Ephesians 2:-10. "For by grace you are saved by faith." There is nothing we can do to save ourselves, it is completely through faith in the atonement for only Jesus can remove our sins. Our righteousness is imparted to us through Him and the evidence of a genuine faith is a changed life because a believer is indwelt with the Holy Spirit. The Spirit works to change us into the people God wants us to become. That way only the Lord gets the glory. The false prophets Jesus rejects in Matthew 7:22,23, were trying to justify themselves pointing to their works and not the cross. That is why Jesus said He never knew them. Any work we do that is acceptable to Him is the result Him working through a believer.

@Revelationlighthouse

Ай бұрын

@@mikezbeatz7122 I answered you but my reply wasn't posted. I said read Ephesians 2:8-10. We are saved by grace alone and the Holy Spirit produces our works or fruit which is the produce of faith in the atonement. There is no work we can point to that will justify ourselves ever. The false prophets of Matthew 7:22,23 are trying to justify themselves by their works and the Lord rejects them. That is because their works were not produced through them by the Lord. Our works are the natural response to being justified by grace alone, they are not the means of our justification, they are only the evidence that we have been justified by faith in the atonement.

@mikezbeatz7122

Ай бұрын

@@Revelationlighthouse I don’t see in that eph 2:8-10 verse the word “alone”. It seems that you’re inserting it into the text. Also your statement “no works can justify us” simply contradicts James chapter two that clearly says a man IS justified by works. How do you make sense of this?

The thief on the cross kept popping into my head.

Are you willing to formally debate this?

To everyone saying repentance isn’t referring to sin, turn your hardened hearts to Revelations 2:18-29 and repent. No actively wicked person will see the kingdom of God. We must turn from it. Me, you, everyone.

If you know Christ, you're saved. It's that simple.

@houstonevangelicalministries

6 ай бұрын

If you don't repent, you can't prove your faith.

@lawrence1318

6 ай бұрын

@@houstonevangelicalministries You don't have to prove your faith to Christ if you know Him. He knows the heart. And you certainly don't have to prove your faith to man. So you don't know what you're talking about: you're operating according to the law, not grace.

@houstonevangelicalministries

6 ай бұрын

​@@lawrence1318 I am operating by the following spoken by Christ and the Holy Spirit: Matthew 9:10-13 Luke 13:2-5 Matthew 4:17, 18:3 Mark 1:15 1 John 3:6 Acts 2:38 Acts 3:19 Hebrews 6:1-8 Hebrews 10:26. Its all the proof I need that unless I turn from sins with a broken and contrite heart, is no faith in Him at all. With God, all things are possible.

@lawrence1318

6 ай бұрын

@@houstonevangelicalministries You're contradicting yourself.

@Ryan-jr4nl

6 ай бұрын

@@houstonevangelicalministries Do you continue to break the law of God? Do you love your neighbor? Have you given all that you can, so that your neighbor doesn't suffer? If not, then you haven't turned from your sins, because anybody who has broken even one little bit of the law is guilty of all.

There’s an Arminian around every corner trying to convince people that either they have to do something to keep saved or to get saved. Nothing new here.

Deception anyone?

For those who believe repentance from sin is a work, read James 2:14-18 to clear up what “works” really are. Even without good CHARITY your faith is dead. 1 John 2, 3 and 1 Cor 5 all let us know that a willful sinner has zero saving faith. God, Christ, His entire Word; the prophets, apostles and early apostolic successors all followed that a repentant heart was necessary for saving faith.

@theodoreritola7641

4 ай бұрын

Lord ship salivation is VERY DEMONIC

Isn't the church for believers, teaching them the Bible to prepare them to go out and preach the gospel?

@JoshStribling

4 ай бұрын

The primary purpose of church is for feeding the flock, to edify them and equip them for spiritual battle. Outreach is only one aspect of the church, the primary purpose is to disciple and exhort those that are believing so that they continue to grow in the faith. As disciples grow in the faith, from a little child that is tossed to and fro to a young man that has overcome the wicked one with the Word of God abiding in him, then it follows that as the Spirit continues to produce good fruit in them, then they will want to go out and draw more to Christ by planting seeds and watering. A new believer, that has not been properly discipled (taught to observe all things whatsoever Christ has commanded) is not equipped to go share the gospel. To be able to share what they believe, they must first know Whom they profess to believe in. The preaching of the cross is foolish to those that don't understand the severity of their place in sin. The purpose of the law is to show us God's righteousness (Doctrine - what God says is right: Do Justly, Love Mercy, Walk Humbly with Him, and Reproof - what God says is NOT right: Sin). The purpose of the sure testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ is to show us how to Get and Stay righteous through faith in Him (Correction - How God says to get right: Repent, and Instruction - How God says to Stay right: Believe) So primarily: Teaching them to continue in the faith, settled and grounded, not moved away from the hope of the gospel. (Col 1:21-23) Then secondarily: Instructing them to go out and teach as they have been taught, and to continue in the faith as they have received Him. (Matt 28:19-20 & Col 2:6-8) John 21:15-17 "So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep." 2 Peter 1:5-15 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance; Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance."

@sunshinepadawan

4 ай бұрын

Or share the gospel , the church should be the military base for an army of believers

@JosephBoxmeyer

2 ай бұрын

​@@JoshStribling Josh, on your 25th line you state " The purpose of the law is to show us God's righteousness.". I hope that repentance has since taught you from Romans 3:19-28 that " But now the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets. Even the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD which is by faith of Jesus Christ.. to declare HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS...To declare, I say, at this time HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS..". Here in the gospel, not in the law is the righteousness of God declared. Two of the sins which must eventually be repented of are the Roman Catholic false doctrines that "the law of God is eternal" (Westminster Confession) and that "the law is the rule of life for the believer" ( common teaching). Both of these common false teachings are taught against in Romans chapters six, seven, and eight. But the gospel shows us the righteousness of God without the law.

Jesus = The Word of God Folks think they can have Jesus, and take a pass on the Word of God. This is a doctrine of devils. 🪓😡👍💯💯💯

Okay, I think the problem here, and why there is confusion is because there is some misunderstanding of what repentance is. Repentance in its completeness, as seen a lot in Psalms, is a full, pure, Godly sorrow of sin, and a turning from that sin in faith towards God. The problem I have noticed with the video above is they are separating the above repentance (that if a regenerate believer) and the initial repentance of salvation. They are both the same kind of repentance, but they are manifest in different degree because of level of Christian maturity. But to be clear, it is all of the same kind of repentance. What do I mean? In order for someone to repent at all, he must first be regenerate (born again). This is the process wherein God breaks the will of unbelievers and causes them to see themselves and God rightly. This is not the same thing as conversion but always accompanies it. However, when an unbeliever is regenerate and the amount of time until the are converted (turning fully from sin, and trusting Christ) is different in every person. So, one person has been born again for a longer period of time, generally, will have a greater degree of sorrow for sin, and understanding of their sin before they believe. Whereas one who is regenerated and very quickly thereafter believes (conversion), may not have as clear sorrow for sins, or clarity of their sins. However, the repentance that they manifest, that is manifest to some degree in all people before they savingly believe is a kind of hopelessness in and of themselves to save themselves. This leads to them casting themselves upon Christ. So, why am I saying this. That repentance, hopelessness of one’s own ability, is shared with all who are truly born again and can only be cultivated when God gives us a sight of our depravity, our sin, our natural rebellion and unbelief by nature. This is not something we do, but that God does, so it is not a work to see our sin. So all people, in effect, repent of their sins before believing, but with some believers it is more clear than others. And, this is important, all believes WILL GROW in repentance and begin to produce more Godly sorrow after conversion. All repentance is the same. Initial repentance is but a seed of humility, and so his faith but a seed of seeing God’s ability. Both faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin of conversion that grow, as mustard seeds, into the sanctification and unto glorification. Repentance of sins is necessary for salvation!! But we must be clear on what that means. If we abandon the concept, we will be left with unregenerate people being comforted in their sins which leads to antinomianism (using grace as an excuse to sin).

@user-xn7tq1qh5r

3 ай бұрын

When you believe in Christ, you have become born again and are regenerated and indwelt by the Holy and are saved. Secure forever!

@JosephBoxmeyer

2 ай бұрын

On your twenty first line you state "TURNING FULLY FROM SIN". Have YOU turned FULLY from sin? FULLY? Have you PROUDLY claimed to have FULLY turned from sin? But do you still sin at all? Then what did turning fully mean. This disturbs me about all of this ignorant proud easy talk about repentance . I disagree with some of what the free grace people say ( the little that I know about them). But they are correct if they think that this repentance talk is messed up. Arrogant people proud that they are not "antinomian". Nomos, law is the base of that word. I want to scream at the proud Reformed people, "Hey, dummies, get a Bible! We are not under the law. The law is not eternal. Hey, dummies, the law is NOT the rule of life for the believer! We are DEAD to the law! Abandon your Roman Catholic doctrine. Hey, dummies, this is the Church. This is not Israel.". Anyway, it seems to me that someone who is proud of their repentance will repent of bad, terribly bad doctrine. True repentance in sanctification will lead, must lead to abandonment of bad teaching. True repentance must lead to SHAME over such shameful holding to ignorant illiterate traditions.

@kohlkravat460

2 ай бұрын

@@JosephBoxmeyerNot at all what I meant by fully turning from sin. Quite an assumption brother. I meant turning from it in such a way that when we turn to trust in Christ, we are letting go of everything that is keeping us from clinging to Christ. I'll give an example to clarify what I mean. If I have an addiction to alcohol and then I turn to Christ in faith, I am turning from alcohol in such a way that the power of its grip is broken in such a way that I can look to Christ as my all. That doesn't necessarily mean that I won't struggle with alcoholism anymore, it means that through the breaking of sins power in me I can trust that Christ will fully free from this sin one day. It's an already but not yet situation. Sin has already been defeated on the cross, and when I turn away from sin and trust in Christ, my sin of alcoholism (or whatever other sins we carry with us, including the myriad of deep heart sins) has been forgiven and will no longer be held against me. In God's eyes it is gone judicially. However, its presence can still be felt as the old sin nature in us won't be erased until we die. Thus, the beginning of repentence can simply be, I recognize my sin, and I recognize its strength and the power of its temptation, but Christ, I trust that you will kill this sin in me as surely as its power has been defeated on the Cross. This recognition, this repentance, an emptying of oneself and by faith, seeing Christ as all, is the bedrock of the Christian life.

@JosephBoxmeyer

2 ай бұрын

​@@kohlkravat460 so you did not mean what it looked like. But fully turning from sin, if that is a condition, and if fully turning from sin is the distinction from free grace, yet such turning does not necessitate fully stopping sin, then I am at a loss as to a real distinction IN PRACTICE, from free grace If some of the free grace people are saved, then the Holy Spirit WILL engage them in an sanctification program. Such sanctification is not something that we decide on, but is what God has decided on for all who are truly saved. I know little about free grace as a group, having watched two or three videos. And I disagreed with some of their ideas. But I think that maybe I picked up some understanding of their concerns. This is why I was triggered by your "fully turning from sin". To me, I don't see a full turning without stopping sin. And if stopping sin is A CONDITION FOR SALVATION, then, by definition, IF you have not stopped sinning then you are not saved . I suspect that this might be a huge motivating cause for the free grace movement . What I am suggesting it that perhaps statements such as fully turn from sin should be replaced by better explanations. I personally am against Lordship Salvation for that reason, because it is dishonest. NO BODY stops sinning in order to become saved. That is dishonest. And I object to that dishonest promise or commitment to obey Christ as Lord. It may require eternity to understand what His Lordship means . And why a "promise"? If such a promise is a condition of salvation then you must promise. But I am sure that God laughs at such a ludicrous concept . If actual obedience is required then a promise is an insult to God. An insult. If ACTUAL OBEDIENCE is required for salvation, that is what is called works if righteousness. According to Titus 3:5 we are NOT SAVED by works of righteousness. But why the promise? If some body believes that such obedience is required, then be honest and tell people that they MUST fully stop sinning and MUST perform all righteousness perfectly in order to be saved. But this is clearly not gracious salvation! Some bodies, lots of them are lying. Why promise? Just do it, and in the end, if you are good enough (perfect) then you will be saved. THEN! That requirement or promise to obey Christ as Lord is still, after fifty years, is still the stupidest, most dishonest thing that I have ever heard. People WILL answer to the Lord for this lie. Like I said, everybody goes through sanctification, and nobody chooses it . The free gracers too . And they will actually, factually repent just like everyone else, BUT at the proper time ON GOD'S SCHEDULE! Self righteousness is one of the greatest sins, and that IS a sin that is directly contradictory to real faith . And it seems to me that a lot of videos are by very proud self righteous people who are demanding repentance from other people. I firmly believe that either most Bible teachers are illiterate in the Bible or they are lying. But people need to seriously think our this stuff. I suspect that free gracers are only reacting against what ALL HONEST people should be thinking. No body really turns fully from sin if that means stopping sinning. And I think that the free gracers are the honest people who refuse to tell a lie . But as I said, they will repent,ACTUALLY just as fast as the Holy Spirit will bring them to repentance, but on His time. My hand is cramping. I need to retype half of my words.

Well we see in the Psalms theirs a big in L in Lord (father) lower l as Lord for the son right? As it was stated God doesn't repeat things, only if it's for an understanding of the testimony of prophets and apostles that they made reference to what is final in that word description to His only son and His Holy Spirit. That Jesus (Yahshua) is the door to salvation, to the Father who is the one that gives salvation by faith, Abraham was the example. We need to go deep in our self examining of godly living and death to our sins, that we must turn from and live a holy life and be that sanctified vessel for God to use among other sinners.

Hey, Todd. What does repentance mean? Wouldn't true repentance mean that people would actually change their doctrines and traditions? I mean like "Israel is the Church". And what about the very wrong saying, "the law is the rule of life for the believer"? Have people not read Romans chapters six seven and eight? We are dead to the law by the body of Christ! It seems to me that people talk a big talk about repentance, but their theology stays Roman Catholic. Let's see how far your manhood goes.

What did the theft on the cross do nothing

Sadly these people who preach Lordship then proceed to judge the proof of "Lordship" by your outwardly change. Sort of the "clean living habits"... You better dress nice, don't get tattoos, don't swear, don't listen to rock music. etc.... The Bible addresses the fruits of the spirit by a much different standard.

This seems a topic that cold theologians banter over... catching themself in LABELs and titles rather than the revelation of the ideas.. When Jesus preached to REPENT... is that a theological idea or a motivational intentional change? Repentance is something that once produced has outer ramifications for other things LIKE, a change of life and mind and a turning from sin so forth, these are not independent issues on their own to be dealt with separately rather its all a packed into the repentance product.

Submit to Christ as Lord. Commit to Him as Savior. And it is not either/or, it is BOTH. The OT focuses on God’s holiness (Lordship), the NT on Grace and mercy (Salvation). Each Gospel presents Christ in different ways because they are written to different peoples, but together they all apply to Christ as Lord and Savior. To Matthew Jesus is Messiah for a Jewish audience. For Mark he is a Righteous Servants to Romans. To Luke Jesus is the Savior for Greeks and Gentiles. In John Jesus speaks of his authority as Deity. Put it all together and we see a picture of Christ as Messiah, Righteous Servant, Servant, and Deity. We are called to submit and commit to Him in totality. It is not either, or, or some, but ALL. If we continue follow Him we shall one day see him for all he is. Blessings.

Free Grace takes everything the bible says about saving faith and reduces down to the lowest possible denominators of some momentary acknowledgement of Jesus, and to them anything more is not grace. The typical lordship preachers have a to. of issues as well.

@JosephBoxmeyer

Ай бұрын

@jeffrybomba. They are both wrong. I think that free grace totally a reaction against lordship salvationism. If you want to argue with a guy who is standing out on thin ice, you don't go stand on a different part of thin ice to argue with him. My answer is to go to the source to start over. Go to Romans chapter four where Paul examines the thought of Abraham which went into his Genesis 15:6 faith by which he was justified. Abraham needed to agree that he was dead as far as working. God needed to faithfully fulfill God's promise. That faith was totally focused on the performance, the doing, the working of God. Abraham was dead but this faith was in God Who raised the dead. Abraham was not righteous, but this faith was in God calling that which is not as though it is. Paul then says that this is the necessary pattern of what our faith must be for justification. This is faith without works. This is faith alone.

By Grace not works, period. Yes we should follow Jesus but it doesn’t save us. God saves us when we repent and trust in Jesus and his finished work on the cross.

There are 4 clearly stated pillars to salvation in Scripture. Repent, be baptised, get filled with the Holy Spirit, walk in Christ. If you haven't done that then you are not saved. Jesus' words, not mine!

@LeeB5

3 күн бұрын

So, the thief on the cross whom Jesus told “today you will be with Me in Paradise” was not saved, because he wasn’t baptized, even though he believed? 🤔

@brucedavenport7016

3 күн бұрын

@@LeeB5 Correct. "today you will be with me in paradise" is the English translation "this very day you will be with me in the garden" is the Greek translation. Where was Jesus put and in what state was he on that very day? He was put in a sepulcher, in a garden, and he was dead. Jesus didn't go to heaven for weeks. When Jesus did go to heaven, he was and still is the only "man" to do so. John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. So, therein lies the conundrum. There are a multitude of scriptures clearly stating that you must repent, be baptised and be filled with the Holy Spirit in order to be saved. "That very day" Jesus was dead in the grave. No one has gone to heaven except Jesus. There is no scriptural possibility that the thief was saved. Of course there is an alternative. You accept the false theology that the thief was saved, but in order to do so you need to totally ignore a multitude of scripture to the contrary. Go to your Bible (and Concordance) and do your own due diligence.

4th generation Nazarene, ordained in '86, served as an Army Chaplain for 28 years and never heard of this "Lordship Salvation debate." Need to stop watching KZread videos.

STOP ADDING WORKS TO SALVATION, Lordship salvation is an attempt to state that the cross was not enough to save you , SHAME ON YOU.

@theodoreritola7641

4 ай бұрын

what must a man do to be saved?

@robcrobert

Ай бұрын

​@theodoreritola7641 great question. Someone else in the Bible asked that same question. (Acts 16:30 KJV) And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? (Acts 16:31 KJV) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Anything plus what is stated above is works added to the gospel

You also preach faith alone for salvation. So, by the context of this video, this isnt faith alone for salvation

@houstonevangelicalministries

6 ай бұрын

Repentance is not a work, its a command. You cannot separate repentance from faith. The same way love is patient, kind, does not boast, etc etc. Faith is not without turning away from your sin. If you think otherwise, you haven't read your Bible or have been fed a redacted version of the gospel.

@ChristIsLord229

6 ай бұрын

@@houstonevangelicalministries show me the verse that says repent of your sins to be saved.

@houstonevangelicalministries

6 ай бұрын

Matthew 9:10-13; Luke 13:2-5, Matthew 4:17, 18:3; Mark 1:15, 1 John 3:6, Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19, Hebrews 6:1-8, Hebrews 10:26, in addition to the entire Bible telling us to turn from our wickedness or not enter the kingdom of God. But God is rich in mercy and exalts the humble. Repentance is absolutely necessary for God to forgive a broken and contrite heart.

@ChristIsLord229

6 ай бұрын

@@houstonevangelicalministries those verses do have the word repent. But none of them say repent of your sins for salvation. But there are super clear verses like this one - To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. -Acts 10:43 So faith offers remission of sins, not repenting of sins.

@houstonevangelicalministries

6 ай бұрын

​@@ChristIsLord229 Yes they do. Before Acts 10:43, you have this 'super clear' verse 8 chapters before it, which I already listed: Acts 2:38 - "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." So, if we take this single verse and add your verse you will see that faith includes repentance. There is no argument to be had here except to reject or embrace God's words. You MUST repent or perish (Luke 13:5). Also, if Jesus tells us to do it (Matthew 4:17, Mark 1:15), its a command and non-negotiable. Cry out to God for understanding!