She also seemed to ignore the plain reading of "not against flesh and blood" as she went on to insist that it is against flesh and blood.

@maryhamric

3 ай бұрын

Exactly

@chrisobrien5

3 ай бұрын

It is against flesh and blood. The figure of speech used is called an ellipsis. Many misunderstand writings in general if you ignore the usage of figures of speech. We rather obviously wrestle against flesh and blood. But the emphasis here is on the latter and not the former.

@MindForgedManacle

3 ай бұрын

@brien5 Except that the "Not against flesh and blood" is, in context, saying that the enemy in that case is "principalities and powers", which is why it juxtaposes them. That is, it's not about human rulers. You're ignoring the context to argue about something unrelated.

@fariesz6786

3 ай бұрын

i mean if she believes the rulers or the world are literally not physical beings it all checks out. pretty sure it's not the case for politicians she likes bC hE's DiFfErEnT but whatever

@juanausensi499

3 ай бұрын

@@chrisobrien5 That's not an ellipsis. An ellipsis is an omission.

I'm eternally grateful that at the same time i began to attend church, i also took Bible as lit courses in high school, which kept me from ever seeing the Bible as univocal, literal or infallible. Best thing i ever could have done for myself.

@emptyhand777

3 ай бұрын

You're going to Hell! - some evangelical

I think it's the smugness that gets me. If it was presented as an observation that seems to imply a certain thing, that would be different.

@leefchapman

3 ай бұрын

Sadly, it shouldn't. People will say this plainly and still corrupt people with their dogma.

@Tmanaz480

3 ай бұрын

Amen. If they would simply chill out and ask questions, they might learn something. But you can't monetize humility.

@NewhamMatt

3 ай бұрын

This 100%. Sometimes my own worldview and upbringing make Dan's material hard to watch. This was the first video I've seen where I actually wanted Dan to demolish what she was saying. The smug attitude grated in a way I rarely get watching KZread these days.

@GoodieWhiteHat

3 ай бұрын

I feel the same way. In the face of that gleeful, smug sanctimony it is just so hard to be gracious. So many apologists KZreadrs have this awful mannerism. It’s really nauseating! I guess the way to be less offended is to just know your stuff.

@NewhamMatt

3 ай бұрын

@GoodieWhiteHat I think it's even more significant to show humility. I grew up a 6-day creationist until I neared by mid-20s and opposed to marriage equality until my mid-30s. Nowadays I consider both incompatible with my faith and/or the evidence provided in the Bible and the world around me. I've been wrong frequently and passionately enough that I am immediately suspicious of people who talk with a sense of superiority.

"Let's eat Grandma."

@randomname1251

3 ай бұрын

Knowing your shit vs. knowing you’re shit

I appreciate you going through the older texts and pointing out the specific differences in translations and texts. It's really helpful to be able to see them yourself as opposed to just being told the translation is wrong or it was added to the manuscripts 👍

"you will know this verse when I start reading it" "I don't know what that is"

@squiddwizzard8850

3 ай бұрын

Also, as soon as I saw who the creator was.. I just stopped watching. I'm not commenting on her appearance here, she just... Her lack of education and curiosity and just taking things at face value is actually triggering for me lol.

Wouldn't it be great to see a few of these foolish people create videos to withdraw their previous nonsense and to thank Dan, and others, for correcting them using data? I would pay to see that.

1 Timothy 2:12 (KJV) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Tik Tok and KZread have brought us the true proof of Dunning-Kruger. The 1599 edition of the Geneva Bible enhances the notes in Revelation, but the New Testament was revised in 1576 by Laurence Tomson.

@MarcosElMalo2

3 ай бұрын

Dunning-Krueger or intentional dissemination of disinformation to advance an anti-government political agenda.

1599 was so woke!

@ancientflames

3 ай бұрын

ikr! 1300s version or bust!

@anomos1611

Ай бұрын

The Geneva bible is great, really a treasure of English literature, and a wonderful Bible translation. You should definitely read it if you have the chance.

Thankyou for sharing the Geneva bible certainly appears to be a more accurate translation of this verse 👍

Yes, they took out the verses where Moses wrote the US constitution.

@LuminescentGurl

Ай бұрын

Lmfbo

What would truly surprise me would be if this woman FINALLY said something true and rational. I wonder if this woman knows that the Scriptures weren't originally written in English if she thinks this Geneva Bible is the original. I would like to think that she gets that but I honestly can't make that assumption given the bat shit crazy things she says and believes.

@DavidAlastairHayden

3 ай бұрын

In religious studies classes, we used to refer to these types with the phrase: “In 1611 the King James fell from heaven.”

I listen to these content creators who Dan addresses, and I seriously worry for the future of humanity. Smh...

It's funny because this creator wouldn't dare reference what Romans 13:1-2 has to say. It's also kind of funny that she doesn't talk about "forces of evil in the heavenly realm" to mean that there's evil in heaven in the same way she thinks the princes of darkness refers to worldly/world humans.

@dontgiveinfo

3 ай бұрын

i always thought that the evil in heaven is the fact that the fallen one still has access to heaven. It's not till Revelations that the fallen one would be banned?

Does she genuinely not know that the Bible wasn't originally written in English?

@animegtrailer5208

3 ай бұрын

Americans think Jesus spoke English and the Bible was originally written in English. They also have the "main character of this World syndrome" 😂😂😂😂

@thomasdalton1508

3 ай бұрын

@@animegtrailer5208 They're going to be shocked when they find out about England...

@1Corinthians15.1-4

4 күн бұрын

God used three languages to his preserve his word. Latin is not one of them which corrupt texts came out of. There are other corrupt texts as well coming out of Alexandria and Rome. The Holy Scriptures has specific manuscripts as a textual basis. All others are forgeries and one can tell where the devil attacks specific doctrines including the deity of Christ.

Original Bible in 1599? Wow.

@RaytheonTechnologies_Official

3 ай бұрын

Turns out Jesus actually wrote all of Shakespeare's works

@weebunny

2 ай бұрын

​@@RaytheonTechnologies_Officialand here all along I thought it was Bacon 😅

Oh dear. She's using the NIV.

@toritori5835

3 ай бұрын

One of my profs used to joke that it stood for the New Inaccurate Version because it’s one of the greater offenders of adding words or translating in a way that points people towards certain theological stances. LOL. 😅

@stalemateib3600

3 ай бұрын

"Not Inspired Version" was how I remembered conservative Bible students calling it, @@toritori5835

@RaytheonTechnologies_Official

3 ай бұрын

At least it's not the KJV...

@InquisitiveBible

3 ай бұрын

"Not Inspired Version" is another one I've heard. :)

@jessicaw325

2 ай бұрын

Which version should we be using?

And even in English "worldly governors" is a phrase that could easily be understood as cosmic forces if preachers would teach it that way, just as the Bible sometimes describes angels as "princes" and most preachers I know do not try teach those verses as literal human royalty

@davidjanbaz7728

3 ай бұрын

Since when R angels human royalty ? Angel is a job description = Messenger!

@blksmagma

3 ай бұрын

​@@davidjanbaz7728 Angels can do other things besides being a messenger. In Revelation, one angel was given power over the Sun to scorch people with heat. In Daniel, it required 2 angels to deal with the prince of Persia because he was delaying one of them. Pretty sure they weren't talking about a heated debate. Then you have: -the angel that was gonna kill Balaam -the angel who killed a whole army in one night -the angel YHWH sent to cause pestilence on Jerusalem There's no reason to believe angels can't be royalty. In fact, some scholars believe that the passage in Daniel implies the prince of Persia was an angel himself!

Didn't Tyndale get himself burned at stake for his translation?

@RG7Way

Ай бұрын

Better hide bruh how Yk this?

It's clear we fight against it all even our own blood because we are sinners we are in a constant battle even with ourselves!

Gods words are easy to understand we only needed about 40 different versions and a million hours of debate to still be confused 😕

Dan I’m impressed with your level of knowledge. When did you begin your journey of studying the Bible and its history

Ugh, she's not only intolerable, she's also a plagarist. She swiped this complaint.

I will never understand people who want to pretend the bible is the literal word of god that must be followed to the letter... yet are utterly unwilling to learn greek to actually read the original words.

Wow. For the inspired word of god this book sure has been changed ALOT through the centuries.

I'm learning more Greek from you than I did with four Uni courses in Classical Greece lol.

Thank you so much for clearing that up

Thank you for your great work Dan. I know you recommend the NRSV Study Bible, but what do you think of the NASB (New American Standard Bible )? It's supposed To be one of the most accurate English translations?

@toritori5835

3 ай бұрын

❤ the NRSV. NASB is translated into English directly from the original languages. It’s a bit clunkier to read flow-wise. But is a pretty decent study Bible.

As a woman- this is why women should NOT try to decipher, explain, assume, or interpret from “their point of view”. We women are highly emotional creatures who get our emotional thinking ahead of our logical thinking. This is why Eve was targeted by the serpent. Eve got her assumptions and feelings ahead of the logical commands from God who gave it to Adam who gave it to Eve. We cannot be deceived by believing the “they said” from internet people. Jesus said to “Watch out that no one deceives you. Many will come in my name, claiming “I am the Messiah”, and will deceive many.” Matthew 24:4. This also means to watch out for false “Gods word”. Not all “bibles” are Gods word. History is so incredibly important to carefully study. Deep dive into the important facts is essential! And have a Godly man who has wisdom and understanding to be there to lead.

Hey Dan, unrelated question for you. What's going on with Ruth uncovering Boaz's feet while he sleeps? I've heard different takes on whether that's a euphemism or should be understood literally and am wondering if you could clarify.

Thank you.

Placement of the comma😂

I wanna see a "familly tree" for the Bible for as far back as we know.

@langreeves6419

3 ай бұрын

pretty sure there's lots of examples of that

@MarcosElMalo2

3 ай бұрын

I wish I could remember the name of the channel, but there is one that does precisely that, including portioning which books came from what sources.

@Tonoborus

3 ай бұрын

Useful charts? ​@@MarcosElMalo2

@CDBYT1335

3 ай бұрын

​@@MarcosElMalo2 It's called @UsefulCharts, I believe

Thanks for this! What would you say is the most accurate word for word translation from the original texts to English?

Is there a modern English version of the bible that's a direct translation from the source texts?

I love watching this woman to see just how much misinformation she puts out.. She never disappoints.

@jimmybryant1385

Ай бұрын

I love th hair animation

"Against the worldly governors" hasn't been omitted. In my NKJV, it reads "Against the rulers of the darkness of this world", which is a paraphrased meaning, but means the same.

1:04-1:08 No it’s not. “Ephesians” (Laodiceans) was definitely talking about the archons in outer space (it’s like that cult lady in Assassin’s Creed Valhalla).

First thing: Batman shirts only. Second thing--- I enjoy your work, thank you. Batman rules.

I'm terrified of this kind of Christian...

I am waiting for someone to call the wycliffe bible "the original bible". I wouldn't hold it though considering how archaic it is to most people.

Dan, love your presentations! In this one you seemed to be very short and almost upset at her. Perhaps my brain over-thinking your words & reaction

Dan could make a career at debunking her conspiracy theories and general nonsense.

That woman exemplifies confident ignorance.

Fascinating

0:26-0:31 It was probably Marcion’s epistle to the laodiceans that he wrote in the mid-second century CE that was referred to in the muratorian canon. Like “Luke,” the epistle was likely doctored by orthodox scribes to sound more orthodox (basically whatever tertullian said, but the exact opposite).

What do you think is the best original test Dan..

The great fact is that the Bible has been revised a ton lol Just wow!

Didn’t they fully cut the book of Enoch? And re canonize the Bible circa council of Nicea? Seems to me that a huge part of the divisions in sects of Christianity is their inability to agree on a universal Bible and theology

If she would just read the Preface to some of the modern English translations, she'd learn a ton about the source texts. Too many people don't read the Preface.

🌞

Alright lady, knock it off. 🤣

So, I am pretty sure that the ancient greeks were not very much into science fiction, so how do we know that "κοσμοκράτωρ" does refer to cosmic entities, and not the physical rulers of the physical world? What I mean is: which non biblical ancient greek texts do we have to clarify that this word refers to non-worldly entities? Basically, what's the origin of the word?

.the best translations are the newest ones. The translators know more about the languages they are translating. (From and into, both languages)

It's wild that these people cannot grasp that a world existed prior to their own.

5:33 "...we have the appositional sense of the final clause ..." and the YT transcriber displaying it as " ... oppositional sense ..." There is no hope!

So which is the version of the Bible I'm supposed to read? Some people say Geneva, then some say King James. I thought that was censored.

I'm waiting till the christians have their personal relationship with Jesus kept private😊

The world, Means a human's life. The end of the world is when one human dies. The 4 Angels standing at the 4 corners Is the great distance Of loss In 4 areas. This is the depiction of the world, A Circle with the human in the center

Well it appears there are those who want to believe one thing and another that wants to disbelieve and they all put together their vague understandings and misunderstandings dancing all over the Bibles shaped text. I guess it will be never ending because the weight that these writings have had on society. I would think that if this book wasn't given such credence , then all this erratic understandings would just be , like basic literature, delving into its meanings to you and NOT trying to prove it's an infallible document.

She's either promoting anarchism or "taxation is theme" talking points wrapped in religion.

Should we also mention the Geneva bible was a politically charged bible that was instrumental during the Reformation?

I would say she was correct.

I have the 1560

I have no desire to delve deeper into this creator's ramblings, but I'll betcha dollars to doughnuts she attributes these changes in the text to a dark conspiracy.

She seems to have forgotten Romans 13‭‭:1.

Doesn't this contradict Paul's message in Romans that people should obey the government and the rules because there's no government that isn't put there by God?

Dan, Dan, Dan… What part of 1000% don’t you understand?

Everything written evil inside the bible has never been erased but only repeated for humans destruction

Did Martin Luther really do the world a favor??? People are convincing me otherwise 🤷🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ the idea that the original texts arnt in English never crossed her mind. She just assumed that the whole of eternity is designed for her convince and she’s smarter than 2000 years of biblical scholars

She got that from Jon Truth

There have been many changes and translations of the bible so why is the Geneva Bible so correct?

"demonic beans"

Alright Gavin Newsom... You've yee'd your last haw, partner

Ah, this flat earther makes a reappearance

An omnipotent (per Christianity, not Bible) god can get its truth stolen? 🤔

The Dems did it. Party like it's 1599 !

Christian version of Telephone. :P

My goodness. Such a hubbbub about a series of verses from a writing most biblical scholars recognize as a forgery. So whatever this guy wrote can be discounted entirely for no other reason than he’s clearly a person who has no qualms about lying. Next subject! 😂

See - The Imperial Cult and the Development of Church Order Concepts and Images of Authority in Paganism and Early Christianity before the Age of Cyprian Series: Vigiliae Christianae, Supplements, Volume: 45 Author: Revd Allen Brent

@alexandra.mirka.

2 ай бұрын

Do you have telegram?

TR 4TW

I thought the Geneva bible was the first Bible.

This is the original scripture from... something other than the original scripture. The alleged change doesn't even make sense, because the Bible is already full of anti-government messages. Why would you change that verse?

Honestly super cringy when anybody says “BCE” or “CE”. They lose all credibility to me when doing so.

You should do a video on the 1611 KJV, I hear people think it's some magical version that's more accurate than any translation.

It always crack me up when people think the word of God would be in English 🤣🤣🤣

@NewhamMatt

3 ай бұрын

A King James-only apologist once gave me an article as to why only the KJV was the word of God. It's sole reasoning was that the preface to the KJV claimed it was written in "the language of the Holy Spirit". That was it. This article literally claimed that the KJV was inspired in a way that the earlier Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and Latin texts weren't, and even went so far as to claim that God had no regard for "the originals" because now we have the KJV.

@WareWolf831

3 ай бұрын

@@NewhamMatt yeah kjv only churches are confusing to me. The translation is inspired but the original is not 🤔🥴🫠

@latenttweet

3 ай бұрын

The authors of the KJV and the time period the authors lived in is not something that will ever be replicated. They were the literature Einsteins of the time. While I won’t defend the kjv to the point where I would say it’s 100% perfect, I will say that modern versions are corrupted being that they are copyrighted (unlike crown copyright the KJV holds, theirs is about making money). How many editions is the NIV on? So this is the word of God. No wait next year now this one is buy this one. No wait next year how about this one? God said his word is preserved for all generations. We only call it the King James Version as a modern thing to distinguish it from other versions. For 400 years it was commonly referred to as “The Bible”. Because that was the common bible. Modern versions take out the deity of Christ. They changed “saved” to “being saved”. They change “God created” to “God is creating” to conform with Darwinianism. The Bible changes with the times similar to the Mormon doctrine that changed and took out it’s racist parts to conform with the times. Not for me, what God says will never change in my church no matter how many laws the alphabet gang try to change. Reprobate doctrine has been removed from the church. Look at the state of the church in America. What’s the association? Luke warm preaching and corrupt versions. The devil has subtly replaced the double edged sword with a butter knife and many Christian’s will never know. It’s kinda hard to know when you’re not on the mission field. That’s where you find out the butter knife don’t cut too well. Also keep in mind English is the most important language right now for the spiritual war. No other churches send missionaries across the globe to risk their lives like the English speaking Christian churches do. And right now English is the language everyone wants to speak. That’s why so many countries their children learn English natively Asian countries Indian African. I believe that is all Gods plan and has to do with our missionaries.

@WareWolf831

3 ай бұрын

@@latenttweet u know the kjv has been updated to. Also it was made to be a conservative response to the bishops Bible. Read the preface to the kjv and they will tell you their goal

@WareWolf831

3 ай бұрын

@@latenttweet have you ever heard of the Catholic Church?? You do know they send out missionaries and their main language is Latin not English. You think they’re reading the Bible in English in all the Spanish speaking Catholic countries?? And the kjv want the most popular when it first came out it wasn’t until much later it became the most popular English version

As soon as I saw it was her, I knew the disinformation was going to be flying fast and thick.

"God's word" That pretty much all she needed to say. Everything attributed to Jesus was written by other people at later times. Everything attributed to God in the Hebrew bible is written by men. There is not anything that came from gods mouth that did not come from men's minds first. There is literaturally not one syllable of one word that Yeshu of Nazara said that came originally from his mouth, everything we have about Jesus was first written in greek. Even the letters of Paul, all greek. The gospel of Tomas, greek or coptic.

4 once I agree with Dan: its a miracle!

still better than kjv in my opinion. King James was a Freemason

But "The Bible is very clear."

@hrvatskinoahid1048

3 ай бұрын

Native Hebrew speakers are well aware of the ambiguities of the consonantal Hebrew text.

People who refuse to actually take the time to learn and study reality are doomed to live in a world that looks like a children's crayon drawing populated by stick figures.

The Bible was written by men, not an invisible friend in the sky!

You realize showing all these versions of the Bible and the changes made sure throws any of this being really God's word into extreme doubt. Why would a supreme being that is all-powerful allow all kinds of men to corrupt his word at all. It's all stupid.

This dude sound brilliant with is spawn s-shirt on. Guys do you remember who spawn is? Jesus said know them by their fruits. Its Clear that this youtuber left out on purpose the wycliffe Bible translation dated 1382 that also supports what is written in the Geneva Bible written in the early 1500s concerning Ephesians 6:12 . Now before you read it remember it was translated into old English. This is what the Wycliffe Bible says in its translations of Ephesians 6:12"For whi stryuyng is not to vs ayens fleisch and blood, but ayens princis and potestatis, ayens gouernours of the world of these derknessis, ayens spiritual thingis of wickidnesse, in heuenli thingis." Now I know the youtuber mentioned words inserted and cosmic world ya ya ya. But you must remember demons are evil spirits the same spirits that possessed and manipulated the Pharisees , the people in the times of Jesus and the governments governors to kill him. Again It was finally though the governments was Jesus death accomplished by Satan by use of a governor named Pilot. If this happened to Jesus and all of his disciples people do you think we are exempt especially when the book of revelation reveals its the rise Government that would eventually rule many to death. Therefore are we fighting normal men and women? the answer is No. On the surface if appears that way. This is what we know a natural man cannot kill it take a demonic spirit to influence and possess to kill and this task becomes especially easier when a government or governors in the government is involved.

And you use CE for a date which was just created to hide Jesus existence. It BC and AD.

One of the most annoying people on TikTok. I had to hide her from my feed lol

While the content creator you are critiquing does have a lesser knowledge of biblical history, the semantic clarification does not necessarily answer the point she raises. Even though, it says that we are not dealing with flesh and blood, the point that should be raised here is what the Flesh and blood gives their Agency over to within themselves. Semantic arguments and historical narratives are pointless if you do not speak to the actual point raised. You either serve God or you serve Satan. (or whatever words you wish to use to describe those two opposing forces in this realm.)

And Ephesians not the word of god, its not even the word of Paul. Its most likely psuedepigraphy.