A 4 star usable at C0 is a win these days

@raulmaltrain6893

6 ай бұрын

but most of the new ones are? yao yao? amazing at c0, cons do nothing special freminet? as good as a 4* onfield dps can get, flexible with teams due to phys/cryo/rev.melt options layla? great shielder for freeze teams with a bit more damage than diona, without the healing, but better off field application. linnette? decent vv holder in a team without grouper needs. charlotte? great healer for furina freeze teams faruzan? great anemo buffer, but with 300ER requirements at c0. kirara? decent dendro applier+shielder for quicken teams the ones that are dubious, where they have at best one team where they are not a downgrade are kaveh, candace, dori...

@darkheartrif

6 ай бұрын

@@raulmaltrain6893freminet is meh no one uses him at C0

@Cocxy69

6 ай бұрын

wow almost as if characters are actually ment to be played ​@@raulmaltrain6893

@novi-youtube-imena-nikchemni

6 ай бұрын

​@@raulmaltrain6893 Don't stop people from whining. Everything is bad with the game, didn't you know? 😆

@sonicfraisheya4028

6 ай бұрын

@@raulmaltrain6893 so far everyhting after kirara they found a good balance. better than most 5 stars at c6, usable at c0. though pre fontaine, some of them had INSANE ER requirements and their main functionality locked behind burst. im looking at you faruzan.

Despite her restrictive passive, imo she still genuinely is a pretty good 4*, especially if you compare her with other 4* characters that were released post 1.0. In some cases she allows you to set free xq or kazuha for the other side, which is also a good thing.

@arunjosephshadrach9539

6 ай бұрын

The restrictive passive isn't a problem to her power level. It's just that she does close to nothing unless you fully commit to pyro and electro team and that feels bad

@marcusaurelius4777

6 ай бұрын

She's not pretty good, she's amazing lol. She's legit up there with the release four stars with how much she does. She heals, shreds resistance for TWO elements for free where any unit can proc and refresh it...she offers healing, with a team heal at C6, she offers energy to the team per rotation with C1, a 40 percent attack buff just by herself, with 20 percent more with Noblesse if you decide to use that, and she does fantastic personal damage for a four star. She offers 60 percent elemental damage boost at C6 which just a mere 15 below a C0 FURINA. She's fucking GOATed because her power budget was evenly split through her entire kit and cons...she doesn't have a shitty constellation, nor is C6 gated like all of the Sumeru 4 stars, nor is she energy hungry like the Inazuma four stars with shit damage (Sayu, Thoma, Kuki without hyperbloom, etc...).

@Zythroxes

6 ай бұрын

It's restrictive but rightfully so I mean it's a whole artifact set on top of her giving 30-40 atk%

@Kindi001

6 ай бұрын

yes its restrictive since its only electro and pyro. but with that restriction she bring the same as VV Shreed and atk buff for whole team. i mean if she able to compare to Succrose and Kazuha she is that good. and her cons will bring her buff energy or personal dmg as package is a plus. she really a better *4 since that been release since..... Rosaria or Kuki (because Hyperbloom) TL;DR she is sure a niche since she restrictive, but she REALLY GOOD at those niche. if people saying restrictive team comp bad its just like saying Lyney or Nilou is bad, and they arent.

@iker9095

6 ай бұрын

​@@arunjosephshadrach9539I mean, she's made for overload and they told us from the beginning. That's the same case as dedicated supports and some other cases like kuki in hyperbloom or thoma in burgeon. It doesn't really limit her power, it just makes her more restrictive to which teams you should play her on. At least she brought back a useless reaction.

If she didn't "hinder your creativity" you would just slap her on a team with Xingqiu.

@sketter766

6 ай бұрын

Lmfao so true

@juanlife6255

6 ай бұрын

this is so true

@nathanpapp432

6 ай бұрын

Which is why restrictions often dont hinder creativity because you have to think of creative solutions to work around the restrictions.

Bosses like the Hydro Tulpa raise the value of Chevreuse

I think this character is an A tier character on release who will probably age like fine wine with Natlan. She allows you to play kazuha on the other side of abyss and great for boss enemies.

@wilburforce8046

6 ай бұрын

The only issue is that currently her teams are pretty singlet target impact which leaves out one of the reasons you wanted to play kazu anyway. Not the pog damage but the grouping. Maybe we just need a more aoe focused carry for her like arlechinno.

@musicaddict9058

6 ай бұрын

​@@wilburforce8046Much more often than not, grouping is irrelevant because you are fighting big mobs that can't be grouped. It's only really relevant in speedrunning.

@Axterix13

6 ай бұрын

I think that whole "Play Kaz on the other side" thing is overblown. Look at Sucrose usage rate in the Abyss. It's garbage. And yet she's regarded as a very powerful four star, with the various catalyst weapon options, and is one without the teaming restrictions. People already build teams that don't need/want Kaz. And that's what they'll use over having to deal with building electro/pyro characters they wouldn't otherwise use to pair with Chev. As far as aging goes, it is a double sided sword. On one hand, with time, you will have more character options that go with her. But conversely, you'll also have more character options that don't go with her. And the odds of those 5/7th offering more overall rewarding team building options than the 2/7ths she does pair with... well, just remember people said that "get better with more options" thing about Lithic weapons as well. Then there's the Natlan copium. Natlan will probably have a gimmick, since that looks to be the way of Genshin these days. If that gimmick isn't Overload related, then likely it'll result in new characters that don't want Chev on the team. Now, is it all doom and gloom for Chev? Nope. She has some nice options now, and future-wise, all it takes is one "right character" for Chev to shine, much like how Kuki's hyperbloom status.

@nexuhs.

6 ай бұрын

Sucrose suddenly seems to be forgotten

@luminous3558

6 ай бұрын

@@Axterix13 Sucroses usage is bad because she feels terrible to play compared to kazuha and lacks his grouping, damage and selffocused targeting. Unless you onfield her(in which case you gotta deal with her NA animations) she just isnt comparable to kazuha.

A support that almost have everything, despite the restriction teams. ATK buff, DMG buff (at c6), healing and resistance shred.

Genshin community be like: "Niche is when I can't use character with kazuha bennett xq"

Imagine how wild she would have been if her passive allowed dendro units in the teamcomp.

@snowparody

6 ай бұрын

Flashbacks to when Dehya was rumoured to be a burgeon/burning dps 😭

@Personpersonpersonperson

6 ай бұрын

@@snowparodyhonestly crazy how they made two hyperbloom dps in cyno and al haitham, but not burgeon at all. I guess Al haitham works for burgeon, but also not really

@Blackoutdmc

6 ай бұрын

@Personpersonpersonperson Thoma is really good there at least. Lot of fun too.

@Aramythr

6 ай бұрын

That's what I've been thinking. In the 2nd event stage I played overburn and it was fun as heck. I get why they didn't want her to be paired with hydro or anemo, but at least let her work with dendro.

@SageRuffin

6 ай бұрын

@@Personpersonpersonperson That's technically Nilou - her Bountiful Blooms are essentially Burgeon with, ironically enough, more restrictions but less effort (Barbara/DMC/Collei/Nilou is a solid team and 3 of the 4 characters are free. Stack EM on Barbara with some HP on the side, use her as your driver and watch everything explode). Edit: There was a ton of extra stuff that didn't add much to the convo, so I tossed it.

I think it's the restrictive passive that actually forces you to play characters you otherwise wouldn't, and focus in on a certain playstyle. We've had enough 8x elemental reaction teams in the last year since Dendro came out that seeing a unit that emphasizes a very underutilized reaction is cool. Much better on a 4-star unit than a 5-star.

@undeniablySomeGuy

6 ай бұрын

Restricted 4*s are to be expected: gorou, mika, sara, faruzan etc. By comparison, Chevy is an extremely versatile unit because she buffs TWO elements instead of one. Part of what makes Nilou so bad is you're paying tons of pulls/dollars to play restricted teams. I'll get a chevy eventually by accident, and it'll be a pleasant surprise and then I can play weird overload teams.

@luminous3558

6 ай бұрын

@@undeniablySomeGuy you do know that even cope nilou teams are good enough to clear? She builds her own team from just f2p units and has 0 overlap with the desired 4*s. Compare her to any other single 5* team and she clears most of them, add a second 5* which for nilou is nahida and she gets even better. You don't need kokomi for her.

@tiffanymeline7585

6 ай бұрын

They were backed into a corner. They couldn't let you have both VV shred and Chev shred on the same team, because it'd be way too strong (shred tends to scale parabolically with itself)

@RomanoffBlitzer

6 ай бұрын

As a wise man once said, "restrictions breed creativity." Chevreuse's elemental restriction encourages you to think about using characters you wouldn't otherwise. That said, like the other guy said, Nilou is far from restrictive; she's actually one of the least restrictive 5-stars. She works with pretty much every Hydro and Dendro character out there, including the F2P ones, whereas many other 5-stars need specific teammates to work.

@felipemendes5336

6 ай бұрын

​@@luminous3558First. Nilo IS restrictive. You can only use 2 elements with her thats the definition of restriction. Also she theoretically doesn't need 5 star characters just like Kuki theoretically didn't need Dendro. Her power level skyrocket once you have Nahida, and your rotations get way faster once you also get Kokomi.

I've done a fair bit of abyss testing with her. Zajef is spot on For Raiden and Yae teams (sometimes boths), Xianglin feels like the better unit to pair with her. It was cutting side 1 clears down by a good 10 seconds. Not having to play circle impact is a great benefit. Especially for bosses that you have to chase. Honestly I think locking power behind restrictive team building is a good thing. The reason every four star character and some c0 five star characters feel bad when stacked up against the majority of 1.0 ensemble is because the original character all have a very high power ceiling with very little restrictive team building. That's why the majority of the 1.0 and 2.0 meta was find DPS with the biggest club and pair them with XQ or XL. People were complaining about c6 bennet because it restricts some of his teams. Fontaine characters feel great to build and play and will stay relevant because they enable niches (healers, mono, crystallise, overload) that just weren't viable before. I haven't had so much fun building characters in a long time because insert (OG character isn't the best option for this team). More fun than the introduction of Dendro, which just felt like a they power crept transformative reactions to the point where bloom teams became the best default. That said I'm also a 1.0 player so have been playing with the OG cast a long time.

Yoimiya, Chevreuse, Fishle, Beidou...I am a little bit afraid for Yoimiya to not join their one-eye cult, wish she will not choose a fork.

@CrybabyEm

6 ай бұрын

This made me laugh

As I'm not a fan of VV and vaporize, Chevreuse kinda helps me with my skill issues. Her buffs trigger condition is so easy

I hope we can get a good off field Pyro applier other than XL to diversifie our teams a bit more xO

@thebrigade7684

6 ай бұрын

Gonna wait for the Pyro archon for that it seems

@Yoanka

6 ай бұрын

I'd say Arle copium, but I said the same thing about Dehya, so I'll just shut up I think.

Despite how resticted she may seem, she is honestly so much more flexible than other 4 star supports like Yun Jin, Mika, Kujo Sara, Gorou, etc. On top of that, her ease of build rivals Bennett and her support rivals kazuha which is insane on its own, but the fact that shes complete and perfectly fine at C0 makes me believe shes the best 4 star since Kuki by far

@marcusaurelius4777

6 ай бұрын

She's not very restrictive at all, you can make a LOT of teams, she literally makes Overload viable, if not pretty damn good since most Abyss floors have heavy ass mobs that can't be tossed around, anyways...and, it's still CC because it pushes mobs back from Yanfei, Lyney, Yae, etc... and literally gives Dehya her first actual non cope team with Lyney or Yanfei because of the resistance interruption and off field pyro app that's slow, so it's great for Overload and keeping up the passives lol. That's pretty damn amazing for a FOUR star to be doing.

@marcusaurelius4777

6 ай бұрын

By the way, she's not restrictive since you can still use an anemo, you just don't get the resist shred, but you still get it since you are using VV on an anemo anyways, you still get the healing, damage buff from C6 and the attack buff... so it's really not restricting her since you gain back what you "lost" anyways.

@Boutneus12

6 ай бұрын

@@marcusaurelius4777 its not overloads thats made viable, u dont build the teams for overload. Overload is just a means to an end for her to increase the teams raw dmg numbers

@Sam-up4ul

6 ай бұрын

@@marcusaurelius4777 Only pyro and electro characters get the atk buff, and if you included her and say kazuha, you still need an electro and then who else? That would be an incredibly scuffed team comp.

@undeniablySomeGuy

6 ай бұрын

@@Sam-up4ul That's a pretty normal team comp. Healer + VV + DPS + SubDPS is a pretty archetypal team building strategy

...bruh Diluc and Keqing EXIST WHAT DO YOU MEAN "only Lyney and Yae left" BRUH

@toli7176

6 ай бұрын

playing overload keqing feels ass

@gna2724

6 ай бұрын

You could already play KQ without Dendro, and it was really bad. You would just be trading 40% from swirl for to 40% from overload, which is more obnoxious and comes from a character with no off field DPS. If your Bennett is C6? RIP. Sounds like an exercise in frustration.

YO CONGRATZ ON 100K DUDE

Something very important to note for certain players: C6 Chevruse is an upgrade over Kazuha in Raiden Hyper.

@ambie1202

6 ай бұрын

I don't have c6 but chevy is already better than my c0 kazuha (w xiphos, lvl90, just under 1000 em) in raiden hyper, at least in single target. Note: raiden is my favorite character, I have her c2r1. I find raiden/sara/xiangling/chevy to be the most comfortable variant, but raiden/sara/chevy/bennett gives me the biggest numbers on raiden and noticeably outperforms kazuha. Ofc you lose grouping and his personal aoe dmg, which are quite significant, but it doesn't matter in the current bossing top half. I'm getting best results by proccing one last overload w bennett c6 NA before bursting.

@idk-sy3iu

6 ай бұрын

Nah, don't forget that kazuha's burst deals a lot of damage in raiden hyper

@nikumilotic1333

6 ай бұрын

Cope​@@idk-sy3iu

@someonesomewhere8658

6 ай бұрын

@@idk-sy3iu Hyper Raiden means maxing her own dps

@idk-sy3iu

6 ай бұрын

@@someonesomewhere8658 doesn't change the fact that in that team kazuha deals a lot of damage through overload

Glad to see my idea of the Lyney/Benny/Chevy/EmEi team worked out, it was fun to play in the trial event and im sure it’ll be even more fun if i could pull and build her before Tulpa leaves abyss

Ngl I prefer this version of the 1st impressions videos compared to the others. It feels like a combination of both the 1st impression vids and the post release vids, making a very informative 1st impressions masterpiece 👌

I really disagree with the fact that restricting team building to balance a unit’s power level is a bad design choice or limits team building. It limits you from using the usual suspects (Kazuha, ZL, etc) sure, but often it opens up using characters in new ways (like a Xiangling built for damage being used without Bennett for once with Chevreuse) or using characters that are kind of bad everywhere else, but are situationally good in the restricted teams (Barbara and Candace in Nilou teams). That to me makes team building more interesting

@ChAnTAxR

5 ай бұрын

If you don’t want to play a meta unit than don’t do so, it’s really not that hard. But don’t encourage a gacha game to release niche units who have a passive that forces them one archetype that can easily be hard-counter or replaced. This is like causal players who want powercreep in a open world exploration game because “WAAAAAA I DONT LIKE USING A UNIT THAT GOOD AND IS A FOUR STAR”

It's true that her passive is restrictive to overload team, but I don't think it's limiting creativity. More like it's the other way around. Not most players will use pyro and electro characters together, but with Chevy you can let your imagination wander to take advantage of her utility with overload teams. She also can work to some degree like Bennett and Kazuha in terms of buffing and debuffing and that's huge given that these two characters are always must-haves on many teams. The reason why I recently enjoyed using Fontaine characters liker Furina, Navia, and her was because they allowed me to use healers and crystallize and overload reactions efficiently which I wouldn't use without them at this point in the game.

Thinking of the Nilou/Chevreuse comparison, I wonder if Shenhe would have an "only cryo" or "only cryo and hydro" condition if she was released today.

Freeing up Kazuha, heck, even being compared equally to Kazuha is a great win, even with the restrictions in place. And hey, playing some new teams could be fun, finally Overload is given a chance. Now, how about burning...

I'm surprised Zajef didn't talk about Hyper Raiden where Cheveruse replaces Kazuha. Her support capability is very close to Kazuha in that team.

@nexuhs.

6 ай бұрын

You can't maintain the 6 seconds passive since you're not doing overloads, VV has 10 seconds Also Kazuha swirl buff lasts 18 seconds with his Q while Chevy lasts 8 but it's 20% more DMG bonus

@Gimu_san

6 ай бұрын

​@@nexuhs. VV shred doesn't reproc with Kazuha's Q when he's off-field btw, and Kazuha in a Raiden hyper team has to be on-field to reapply electro VV shred whereas Chev's pyro/electro shred can be applied when she's off-field so long anyone (on-field/off-field triggers overload), this means hyper Raiden Chev rotations would be like Raiden E -> Chev EQ -> C6Bennett EQ -> Sara EQ -> Raiden pyroN1Q (Chev C6 Bennett and Sara and Raiden w/ C6 Bennett can all trigger overload which means by the time you cast all your buffs and swap to Raiden who will then pyro infuse N1 inside C6Bennett's burst to refresh the shred before she uses Q can make use of the full 6 seconds electro shred Which is about the same amount of time Raiden makes use of Kazuha's VV swirl shred since standard Raiden Kazuha rotations are Raiden E -> Kazuha EQ -> Bennett EQ -> Sara EQ - Raiden Q (by the time you press Raiden Q you already used up 4 out of the 10 seconds of the VV electro shred after kazuha goes off-field so you're left with 6 seconds which is the same amount of time chev's shred provides, pair that Chev also provides 1% ATK boost for every 1000HP for all pyro and electro characters in the party for 30 seconds, which caps at 40% ATK = 40,000 HP Chev, on average most people building Chev will reach 30K HP easily which is already 30% ATK I think C0 Chev is a good side-grade to Kazuha for Pyro/Electro teams and C6 Chev is better in those teams than Kazuha, this also means it frees Kazuha to be playable on the other half teams that want Kazuha (for Abyss, or for combat events with multiple teams are required) right now I'm running C0 Raiden C6 Bennett C6 Sara C0 Chev in 1st half of floor 12 and all my 2nd half teams who want Kazuha are really happy that he's there Yes I know Sucrose and other Anemo units who can carry VV exist but majority of my playtime is spent with Kazuha in those teams so having the freedom to play Kazuha on those teams while my C0 Chev is taking care of my pyro/electro carry teams is very liberating for my account and not having to just play dendro/hyperbloom or Sucrose teams on the 2nd half, which tbf are still good but I like having more and more variety.

@Gimu_san

6 ай бұрын

One of my fav C0 Chev teams rn I run on 1st half floor 12 is C0 Yoimiya C0 Chev C6 Bennett C6 Fischl and my C0 Kazuha is free to run around with whatever 2nd half team that I want

@nexuhs.

6 ай бұрын

@@Gimu_san pretty smart rotation, if you have C6 that might be good

@RomanoffBlitzer

6 ай бұрын

@@Gimu_san Thank you for reminding me about Bennett C6. I was considering just going Xiangling over Bennett for the off-field Pyro but I really wanted to go nuts with the hypercarry and the Pyro-infused normal right before Raiden burst is the missing piece of the puzzle.

She's fantastic for a modern 4* character. Never expected it to enjoy overload even more with yoimiya, raiden and fischl combo.

I'd like to point out something about the Yoimiya team, Thoma works exceptionally well with her because he provides the shield, which when used with a normal attacking character rivals Zhongli/Layla shields, and he buffs normals at c6. (Makes use of Bolide Yoimiya then if you wanted Petra for support Navia/Ningguang too).

@raulmaltrain6893

6 ай бұрын

thoma provides a shield and nothing else, the c6 buff is minor. beidou provides better damage, some shield, some DR, and electro resonance when paired with fischl.

@killingtime8652

6 ай бұрын

@@raulmaltrain6893electro resonance dun help yoi at all tho

@yapyongliang7665

6 ай бұрын

​@@killingtime8652it helps with fischl and beidou not for yoi

@amandaslough125

6 ай бұрын

@@raulmaltrain6893 You can trade in Beidou depending on what you have in your account. One being better doesn't disprove the other can be used. The buff is still a buff and still exists. Thoma still works.

@killingtime8652

6 ай бұрын

@@yapyongliang7665 ye but they talking abt for yoi not them Also beidou I get How does fischl benefit when her ER is pretty much nothing

ABOBA WE RISE

@thebooknerd5223

6 ай бұрын

ANTI-ABOBA ASSOCIATION ASSEMBLE

Looking forward to trying out Chevy Rational.

Yae mika feels so good with chevreuse. She was already decent in overload with bennett xiangling but now with chevreuse it feels better than her aggravate teams. Wish i could have chevreuse c6 though

@kolbalt8121

6 ай бұрын

I'm gonna guess you mean miko not mika lol

@lostblueboy

6 ай бұрын

Man your tastes are weird or your yae sucks that you think overload yae is better or feels better than aggravate.

@marcusaurelius4777

6 ай бұрын

It's not, please stop lol. I use Yae Aggravate with a C2 nahida, C2 Kaz, and a filler unit like Kuki with Tenacity or some shit, hell, even C6 Furina for Quickbloom Yae and overload Yae with Chev is just fine. It's still obviously better to use her in Aggravate for PERSONAL dps for her, but for team dps in overload with Chev and well invested non copium all Fav holding shit build support teams like most Genshin players have...it's fantastic. Lyney, Yae, Chev, Fischl is fantastic dps. You need to stop coping and doomposting. I was hitting pretty damn hard with Yae, not as much as my Yae quickbloom with Furina, but still, WAYYYYY harder than I thought I would be able to do. @@lostblueboy

@amandaslough125

6 ай бұрын

​@@lostblueboyYae is very flexible. Personally, while I play her in a dendro team, I really love on field Yae with Thoma, since his flame arc covers the same ground as her attacks.

@TheRoleplayer40k

6 ай бұрын

Any team that gets Bennet out of it is a better team@@lostblueboy

Pleasantly surprised how well she performs at C0. I'm not gonna be pulling on the banners atm, so here's hoping we get her for free in an event like Freminet. Might be possible since the film event kinda teased us that they might expand on her character later. Big ups to Zajef and the editing team for these videos, and good luck to the Chevreuse wanters out there.

From my testing, Raiden, Xiangling, Sara, Chevvy was by far and beyond the best performing team. It's actually comparable or better than any other Raiden team I've ever used.

@tonydai782

6 ай бұрын

Question, in what way is Sara better than Bennett in that slot? You’re getting more on Raiden, but a lot less on Xiangling.

@midnashadow8439

6 ай бұрын

@@tonydai782that’s because I assume they’re using Raiden as the main damage dealer, and Sara buffs her a lot, Xiangling is there as a sub dps, Bennett isn’t some kind of must have for every team…

@McPoggyPog

6 ай бұрын

​​@@tonydai782Sara's burst damage has larger damage multipliers than Bennett's. Also standing on Bennett burst makes it easier for Tulpa to 1-shot you

@Boutneus12

6 ай бұрын

Maybe if C2 raiden. I prefered her with xiangling yae miko and fischl

@magiclover9346

6 ай бұрын

I never bothered with hyper Raiden because I was not a c6 Sara owner. I am now and currently she's not built because I wanted to test Chevy teams first. Raiden, Yae, Chevy, Xiangling was the top performing team for me. Yae pairs so well with Chevy though so we'll see

Nice to see that we have a 4 star actually worth building after quite a while 😭. The pyro/electro exclusively thing is a bummer since I don't...run any overload teams. I'm not pulling on the Raiden or Yoimiya banner, so I'm not gonna get a Chevreuse, but perhaps in the future she might have a more solid place in teams that are actually worth using.

That outfit makes you look like a Sith lord

restrictions are fine, especially if they are a 4* like her. It forces you to play characters differently, because let’s be honest, if she doesn’t have that restriction you’d still probably use a VV user again on the team. They could reduce her numbers instead for balancing, but that would probably hurt her maximum performance more than making her more versatile. Doesn’t it feel fresh to use carries that doesn’t rely in anemo VV? even though her kit is basically a VV, it’s still different flavor.

Finally a timely notification.

Thank you for making this video! Excited to play with Chev in my Yoimiya and Lyney teams \o/

I think is contradictory to say Chevreuse kit restriction limits creativity, because let's be honest, core National team comp throws creativity out of the window from the start, for buffing a element, use Kazuha, why botter, 0 creativity, but with Chevy, you have another option to buffing, you only use 2/3 of the National core, so you need to think well what pyro or electro unit use, and what kind of obstacles you need to resolve where with Anemo or Geo can resolve (or better say, Kazuha and Zhongli can resolve), and if you think about it, if her kit haven't a restriction and you can combine with VV, you broke the game basically, but if you reduce her buff kit, then why use her over Kazuha or another VV user if not near of buffing, so I think in the end, this restrinction was a necesary curse for she be a good character to use in general and view an practically abandoned reaction that is overload even if overload was an excuse.

@Axterix13

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, anything that pushes Benny, Xingqiu, and Kaz to the side improves creativity, rather than limits it.

@felipemendes5336

6 ай бұрын

Your logic is completely backwards my guy..

12:44 I think it's just the opposite - restrictions and opportunity cost are what drive players creativity. In General. The problem is that Genshin is a very simple game in structure, which does not have many options to circumvent these limitations.

Is the new support set viable on her? Will zajef do a video talking about this artifacts? I don't know if it worth for Charlotte, Mika, etc instead Noblesse

"she definitely has some teams you can use her in" zajef is too committed to his bit of being the most pessimistic content creator

@ChAnTAxR

5 ай бұрын

It’s not even pessimistic, he just doesn’t like her kit design cause it’s cringe, not every content character has to overhype a unit

If she is this good in c0 as a 4star I would say she is a good unit and another character in my list of "hope I get the c6 soon".

@user-rm3itr40rnd

6 ай бұрын

see you next year.

in teams where you have bennett and chev, would it be better to run noblesse on chev and SODP on bennett since he heals more? or does his healing cap affect it? also the yanfei + chev combo’s actually working pretty well for me, it can clear this abyss quite easily on both sides

Is Thoma worth running with Chevreuse, particularly in a Yae team?

So is chevreuse an upgrade to some of the more common pyro or electro teams aside from possibly raiden hyper? As in, if you have good units like kazuha, bennett, XQ, furina etc all available, does chevreuse actually improve upon them? Or is she more like a "if you can't swirl or if you need to free a top tier unit for another team" kind of character?

My current Favorite team with her is Bennett, Fischl, Chevreuse, Xiangling. Fischl and Xiangling have their usual build (with no em), Chevreuse runs noblesse and Bennett is built with damage using a Golden Troupe set

@Boutneus12

6 ай бұрын

Tbh u can just boot bennet and put more dmg like yae miko. She also a better battery then bennet for xiangling

@rsfakqj10rsf-33

6 ай бұрын

@@Boutneus12 yeah but Bennett buffs Fischl and Xiangling damage

@lorraineviruet8973

6 ай бұрын

I gotta ask what does your Bennett’s e hit for?

@rsfakqj10rsf-33

6 ай бұрын

@@lorraineviruet8973 like 25k with tap skill, and 35k total when hold, I haven’t crown his skill yet though, and my Chev is far from c6

@lorraineviruet8973

6 ай бұрын

@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 that’s interesting. You could probably get it even higher!

Is she OK with Raiden + Sara + Xiangling? I have a Raiden C3R1 and pretty much only play her with National, but I wanna do a Hyper Raiden Team and realese Bennet for other teams. I thought to build my Sara C6 and my Chevrouse for that, and use noblesse in Chevrouse. This way I can free my Noblesse Bennett to other things... any thoughts?

raiden has been my EM bot since nahida came out, but I finally gave her some dps artifacts just to try with chevreuse 😊 it's been fun playing her on field again

is razor on full em build as overload trigger with xl bn chev not worth it? is the scaling of overload not enough to justify an em build?

that last team with yae, fischl, chevreuse, xiangling was my first thought when i heard her kit and i made a comment on your first video discussing her so im glad i actually cooked and wasn't a complete moron. another upside to that team btw is yae has EM scaling built into her kit which allows her to use EM sands to do good talent damage

I hope she will have more good teams when we step on the land of natlan.

Idk anything about being optimal in this game but can anyone tell me if raiden/yae/xiangling/chevreuse has any inherent issues aside from being weaker from not having bennett? my clear times are there in abyss from testing just now. what i like is the idea of not using bennett with xiangling and freeing him for the other side. like i've never been able to use yoimiya on one side then xiangling on other. i do have chev's c1 and i'm using her on fav, alongside raiden, which seems to relieve er issues for both yae and xiangling. my rotation ended up being like, raiden e, yae e, xiangling eq, chev eq, into yae qe, then raiden qe. i'm open to tips (i've tried yae chev xiangling bennett and it's just too much unused time with how the cooldowns align where you'd be best normal attacking with yae at times which i think is never a good situation. and there was energy issues on top of that)

@nqqthing

6 ай бұрын

(i'd paused right before the section of the video where it was my team except fischl instead of raiden)

I was going to skip her due to high pity, but then the Xianyun kit leaks left me uninterested in getting her, so I went for Raiden and some cons for my c4 Sara. And Chevy came home 7 times over 90 pulls like the legend she is! I'm having such a great time experimenting with her teams. So far I've been mostly reviving my long-benched Yafei, but I'm excited for the Lyney combos as well.

It is a source of some anxiety how we talk about constellations. For example I have c0 raiden and I feel there is zero point playing her as hypercarry without c2. Why? Of course it won't do nearly as much damage but what if its still the best team damage wise I can put together. I feel like we should put more emphasis on announcing which constellations are required to make certain teams work vs just a dmg increase.

Question: Is Raiden, Chev, Xiang, Sara C6 a bad option? Is Sara's buff, resonance and benefit of being able to run across the map (specially in an overload team) overshadowed by Bennett buff + Xiang's snapshot pyronado?

@Axterix13

6 ай бұрын

I think the problem there would be the major drop off in healing, plus Sara being in generally more clunky. Buff-wise, the effect can be about equal, since Sara could manage to provide the buff for both Xiangling and Raiden, just that's where the clunkiness in Sara's kit lies. Electro synergy won't matter much of the time because you're using Raiden's burst, though it can if you do something like use Raiden's burst and the first hit wipes out the enemies, leaving you with nothing to melee for the rest of it. But I'd do something like run Instructor's or Fav(s) if that was an issue.

@JohnDoe-si4eg

6 ай бұрын

From my understanding this is actually a pretty good team, mostly for the reasons you mentioned. Jamie, a well recpected tc, put out a community post about it’s potential, and genshin noir did some calcs on it in a recent vid.

I've actually enjoyed running her with Fischl, XL, Bennett. I have her c4 so I treat her like Navia (front load a bunch of damage) and use Bennett to cover any down time. This really only works because I have both her and Bennett built for damage with the latter having c6 and for former having Homa. It isn't the best team but it is very viable for abyss (the Tulpa can still be a nightmare due to Bennett's burst letting vape it's attacks though).

I think glossing over Yanfei here was a huge oversight. Just had the easiest 1st try 36* Abyss randomly deciding to try Yanfei + Chevreuse. Here's why: 1.) Yanfei has deceptively MASSIVE f@ck!ng range. Girl can charge attack enemies almost half an abyss chamber away, making circle impact with Benny not a problem even with 15 knockbacks from overload. 2.) If played correctly, can sprint and charge attack without using stamina, making her versatile VS any enemy attack pattern. 3.) She applies so much goddamn Pyro with crit that you will NEVER lose pyro aura, meaning you can run something like EM Raiden just for stagger / overload dmg and Raiden will ALWAYS be the one triggering. Raiden Chevy Benny all have super low investment cost in this team. Your dmg is just Yanfei + Raiden Overloads. So if you already like Yanfei enough to invest in her, she's all you need to invest in. Artifacts are flexible with Wandering Troupe / Lavawalker / Crimson Witch / Shimenawa / Marechaussee all being decent options. Now I know it's an overall weak abyss right now, but I can't stress enough how easy my Yanfei side was. Made my aggravate team on the other side feel sweaty in comparison.

This is a huge W

who needs EM in the Yoimiya, Beidou, Fischl teams? All 3?

Zajef most likely wouldn't like any character that has team restriction such as this Chev, just like when he gave impressions on Nilou's restriction. I can cleary see it, despite his bias or anything, he prefer a char that's flexible in team comp. Maybe he wanna position himself as f2p players perspective.

@SaiyukiGS

6 ай бұрын

i wouldnt like a restrictive chara as a f2p either.means i cant use my invested chara in more teams, meaning i have to build more charas,making it more expensive...

@Glast04

6 ай бұрын

I don't know about the whole F2P perspective thing, I think it is simply as he said it. Having characters that basically don't function outside of a very specific niche limits the options players have with teams they use them in. Has nothing to do with F2P or not, simply that you aren't gonna be using this character outside of specific situations.

@luminous3558

6 ай бұрын

From a f2p perspective she is amazing since this banner gives you a fully functioning raiden team. Alternatively you can swap bennett for xiangling if you got her c4. Zajef is kinda theorycrafting for his own account and others who have similar "f2p but playing since launch" resources which is completely different from new players who won't have 4* cons on 1.0 characters. Best new player advice rn is to grind story and exploration and then pull on a banner you like to get a team you enjoy and this banner fits that bill pretty well. Raiden is still decent and the 4*s all support her. For people who are still newish and are looking to take their account in a more focused direction the only real advice is going into theorycrafting communities and getting their account evaluated. General advice doesnt work much in genshin as rng makes all accounts different and it takes a bit of time for there to be patterns of characters that most people have(if they go for them).

Thx ! What about Razor + Benny C6 + Chevreuse ? It works very well.

Took me 64 wishes to get her but at least I did before 5* pity. I would have had to stop if I didn’t. So far trying her with Raiden has felt pretty good, but I’ll have to try that Yae variant too! I’m a little undecided if I like her kit or not. But I love her design visually at least, and skill/burst FEEL good to use despite the low numbers lol.

I’ve tested her with Raiden, Sara and Bennett and I honestly love the team 🤣 I’m not here to be sweaty gamer or to be some meta player, but I honestly love it

@lorraineviruet8973

6 ай бұрын

This team slaps and c6 Chevy I’ve found outperforms kazuha

Got her C0 and I didn’t realize she works so well with Lyney who I have at C0 with his signature. I’m happy she’s a Kazuha replacement because as much as I love Kazuha, I don’t want him to be the main buffer in so many of my teams lol

I prefarmed her whole support build without even having a plan for her team in mind, thinking I'd play her with Yoi or Raiden... but I ended up giving her a dps build and using her in a quickswap nuke team with Sara (also on a dps build) , Fischl and Bennett. It's not a GOOD team, but it's so fun and I have enough investment to make it work.

whats the rest of the klee furina team zajef was talking abt?

Unrelated but when is Xianyun and Gaming pre release analysis?

Despite her restrictions, she's the best 4 star unit to come out since YaoYao.

Honestly a unit that can free up xingu or an anemo unit or both while still having the team be a small downgrade or a side grade is kinda insane for a four star at C0, her value pretty much entirely lies in freeing up better units in abyss which can be quite helpful

I want to sort of point out that her res-shred is 40% which is the same as VV. So you CAN use her without her passive as long as you bring a vv. So there are other team comps.

Lyney with EM Raiden, feels so good man, that fcking insane Overloads of Raiden are pleasant to see.

Pretty uncommon and don't recommend, but I'm using her with a DPS Beidou and a C6 Bennet, so Beidou applies both Electro and Pyro every attack which is pretty cool (then either fish/sara)

wait, is a golden troupe Raiden for the Lyney, Chevy, Bennett Raiden gonna be viable? or just cringe damage?

@DiabloDBS

6 ай бұрын

I mean if you're going for overload only .. and depending on your EM .. The question probably should be if it is the best investment since the majority of dmg should come from Lyney.. so building Ei for EM in general might be the better option so that you can use her as hyperbloom trigger.

Glad to announce she’s carried me to 36 stars not once but twice

You can build Chevy to work in teams that are not just pyro/electro, you just have to accept losing a part of her kit and use her for the rest of her kit. Similar to EM Raiden only being used for her E and ER buff. So with Chevy you lose the res shred but still have the healing, attack buff, and her personal damage ramp as long as overloads still happen. Personally I'm building her as an Overload Pyro DPS with EM/CV crimson witch and Staff of Scarlet Sands, She only has about 20kHP(closer to 25k once she is fully built) but she has almost 700EM and 1600attack before external buffs. The team I'm starting out with for her is EM Kuki, C6 Bennet, and Fischl with the Elegy. I could also use Kuki, Kazuha, and Nahida for an Overburn team with Chevy being the pyro provider for burn extended by Kazuha Q and swirl for the res shred with VV and Kuki as the main Overload trigger with Nahida ramping the burn, and provided Kazuha is C2 then both he and Nahida ramp EM. Chevy's attack buff is not as important here, but it still boosts damage across the rotation, and she loses the res shred but this is still a good team for her to run a personal DPS build as a Burst DPS.

But what about C6 Bennett with Razor and Chevreuse?

Should I get c2 raidin or c0 yomeha

Restrictive but good in certain niche its actually good 4* design, imo. That's why i like Chevreuse kit, but dislike Nilou kit. 5* should be more versatile. And this is should be main difference between 5* and 4*.

You can definitely run C6 Tohma for Yoimiya + Chev team though.

Been playing her at C6 with Raiden Fischl Xiangling, and in a Yoimiya team as well. Raiden is a fantastic team, works well, overload knocking enemies around doesn't matter as much because without Bennett you're not playing circle impact. My Xiangling is only C3 so I don't have the full pyronado, but the team feels absolutely cracked. Yoimiya didn't work so well, you need something else defensive on top of Chev, and if you want to run two electro units instead of 3 pyro, you basically only have Beidou. I have a C2 Dehya that I could use too, but Beidou's ER requirements as the only electro unit is very cringe.

At last, a new use of Millelith Raiden. Que Horror!

Congratulations on reaching 100k subs ❤ Keep up the good work 💪

Technically speaking her attk buff works for pyro and electro units outside a pure electro pyro team

If she didnt have the team element restriction, people would start doing overvape teams, like HuTao Yelan Fischl Chevy, which is a great option and wouldn't even be better than double hydro options Also she could replace Bennett on Raiden national, making overvape work again but wouldn't have a buff like Bennett provides. If she didn't have restrictions she could be better than Bennett in some situations

@marcusaurelius4777

6 ай бұрын

You can still do overvape, the Anemo unit will be shredding resist and all you lose from Chev's passive is the resist shred if you have non electro/pyro...so it's really not bad at all. She heals, so you can use any anemo that you'd like with her.

@lorraineviruet8973

6 ай бұрын

ESP if u have c6 chev

@nexuhs.

6 ай бұрын

@@marcusaurelius4777 but her main point was not relying on having to be on field for the passive to work, unlike VV, so if you're planning on using an anemo teammate then overvape doesn't work since you need Offield pyro and Chevy can't do that

@flamezforthegamez1056

6 ай бұрын

She probably wouldn't have the same C6, and likely a worse res shred because Hoyo would not want us stacking dmg bonuses with low price nor want us stack up resistance shreds to an insane degree, even if resistance reductions get halved below zero. So the restriction basically enables this level of utility and strength in Chevreuse's kit. A theoretical cryo kazuha that only buffs cryo damage bonus and melt dmg bonus would buff to a higher degree than the Kazuha we are familiar with. The less flexible they are, the stronger they are in the few teams they can be in. The more flexible and universal a character is, the less power their utility or damage holds, but there are exceptions. It's fair for Chevreuse to have team restrictions. That's what warranted Hoyo to ramp up the feasibility of her kit, C0 to C6 with high utility and low effort to do so.

I found the 4* released since Kirara pretty good. I often find myself using Kirara over Baizhu (who's pretty well-invested), just because she's a lot of fun. My Kirara is not C4 either, so not even that good at applying dendro, but she's really good with quick swap teams, which many electro units can do rather easily. Freminet, while constricted by physical, can still work pretty well with melt, and Furina did help him quite a lot, even freeing Xingqiu for the other team, since he just needs consistent hydro application, but not as much as Xingqiu does anyway. Charlotte, I think, is probably one that surprised me the most - her burst can max out fanfare stacks easy and fast, even with talent level 1 (granted, mine is C3, but I think you really only need C1 for good healing). I got a fair share of use out of the free (C0) Lynette we got in 4.0 - she's really fun to use imo, and worked well enough in the Abyss for me. Now we get Chevreuse and soon, Gaming, who is also looking like a competent C0 character. I really like the 4* we have gotten since Kirara. They've all been usable and pretty good even at C0 or lower cons like C1, which is really good going forward. (I also really like Kaveh's kit and I will stand by it even though he's nowhere near as good lmao, that said he does kinda need C6 to work so I don't think it's fair including him)

OMG I JUST REALSIED LYNEY AND HER WORK PRETTY GOOD SINCE HE CAN BASICLLY GET A VV SHRED WITH A PYRO UNIT 🎉

ei, sara, cheuv, xiang, thats my vibe

A note for Yoimiya teams - against a lot of bosses, who tend to have slow telegraphed attacks, you can easily run her with Bennet and thoughtful positioning. There are wide enough windows to unload a bunch of attacks before you need to dodge and with a C6 Fischl, this comp shreds (literally and figuratively). If you need to dodge a lot, then I'd rather play her with a proper shielder in a vape or mono pyro comp anyway.

nice chevrolet impala video

Btw pyro Razor with her sounds fun, because he would have both pyro and electro damage buffed hmmm

geo would be a better element if it was actually inert as they say, geo shouldnt be affected by those restrictive passives

So not sure if this a popular opinion but I use Ei, Chevreuse, Bennett and Lyney as a sniper team. 1. Raiden, 2. Lyney charge then back up. 3. Chevreuse, 4. Lyney charge shots. If they get close or try to mob, burst away.

let’s see how Clorinde and arlecchino kits interact with Chevreuse 🗿🗿😏

I adore her sm

but does she works with dori?

She is definitely one of the most fun 4 stars especially with c4 and as sub dps. quickscoping > meta.

she can still be useful outside of pyro + electro teams as she buffs atk, has cc on her burst (yes, she does), generates particles more convenient than bennet (more per E), heals and buffs atk.

@episode4882

6 ай бұрын

Yea but that’s just cope

@Sam-up4ul

6 ай бұрын

The atk buff only applies to pyro and electro, her heals are never the reason you bring her, her ulti cc is about the same as bennet's and his particle generation is far more consistent, especially in national teams where you have time to funnel XL so can run lower ER and more damage.

@-miromax-5349

6 ай бұрын

@@Sam-up4ul something of this is just wrong, check pks before you say. She has cc, the bombs push mobs towards the center, no matter where it's positioned. I don't say you bring her for healing, but that's on of her many bonuses for the team. Atk buff has it's benefits as it's teamwide and applies to every character, even not on-field, it also doesn't involve circle impact. For energy generation, it's worse if you can constantly swap to bennet, but far better when you can't, which is the case with many hypercarry teams, she gives many frontloaded particles. If we're talking about constellation 6 it's another story, just 60 unconditional dmg bonus to all electro and pyro. I don't say she's better than bennet, but she's surprisingly competitive with him.

@eclipseeffigy

6 ай бұрын

​@@-miromax-5349the atk bonus is not to all, only to pyro and electro. C6 is not unconditional, it gives 1 stack when chevy heals the character, meaning you'll have at most 1 stack on sub-dps on 1st rotation, and 2 from 2nd rotation onward; only the onfielder gets the full 60%.

@-miromax-5349

6 ай бұрын

@@eclipseeffigy I know it's only for pyro and electro and thanks for clarifictaion of c6. Still, I think she's pretty good.

Only a 13 min video Ain't no way

I love her and Nilou's restrictions. They get creative teams that aren't just the same BiS units. Nilou enables characters that are otherwise bad such as Collei and Barbara to shine, which I think is awesome. Chevreuse enables herself to be a great 4* at C0 in her niche. Instead of wishing for her to be another universal Xingqiu-like unit that you can play with the Xingqiu you already have, making 3/4ths the same teams we already had but with 1.5% more sheeted dps in some situations... I prefer this by a large margin. 😇 Thanks for the showcase, I hope we get to see more Chevreuse and a dive into her rotations!

While her kit is a bit restrictive, it also means that she get more valuable with every pyro or electro character release... like Arlechino and Clorinde which are probably not too far down the road. Also, I think at this point, hoyo has to get more niche with their new characters unless they release new elements or reactions. I'm personally enjoying seeing these kits that revolve around very specific playstyles. At this point, most players have a few great teams that do everything they NEED already.

I found Chev, Fischl, Dehya and Bennett to work perfectly fine.