Boss tier subjugators always have a "shield", so Microcosm absolutely deletes them, very useful during the dual destiny mission

@Clarity_Control

23 күн бұрын

Dude, I was shocked to see the boss bars vanish on Dual Destiny.

@jaygei_2641

23 күн бұрын

Wait what kinda shield?

@faceless_man566

23 күн бұрын

it also melts tormentors

@haileyredrix3102

23 күн бұрын

​@@jaygei_2641stasis shield on stasis subjugator, strand on strand

@mobiletoaster5213

23 күн бұрын

​@@jaygei_2641they act like they have a strand/stasis shield so micro and any strand/stasis weapon will do bonus damage

No one cares about gambit but microcosm is the new braindead meta invader weapon. Literally microwaves people from across the map with no effort.

@Elijah-bj4vo

23 күн бұрын

I love microwave

@dankerbell

23 күн бұрын

is it really easier than bodyshotting with izanagi since that takes special ammo?

@pewho3790

23 күн бұрын

"Literally microwaves people" made me laugh more than I care to admit.

@awesomeface7777

23 күн бұрын

@@dankerbellless flinch so yes, much easier

@bootstrap925

23 күн бұрын

still hunt might be better just cause it also is genuinely good for damage on the primeval if you swap to nighthawk on hunter at least

It still retains the 15% buff to anything except bosses because it's kinetic. They nerfed kinetics vs bosses with the patch, but left it for everything else

@chungusultimate

23 күн бұрын

It is just bosses or also champions/mini bosses?

@bl00dkillz

23 күн бұрын

@@chungusultimatestrictly bosses

@FreshLavender

23 күн бұрын

15% is specials 10% is primaries Heavies is unconfirmed

@lexibeard4404

22 күн бұрын

incorrect, it is bonus 10% for primaries, 15% for specials, but given there is no value listed for heavies it likely doesn't have the increase in damage

@ZombieG24

22 күн бұрын

Are you not getting primaries confused with kinetic?

"It doesn't have high DPS, but for some reason it feels like it cooks outside raids." Its because it is a machine gun. Its a machine gun that looks like a trace rifle. That is its role.

@oneshot1kill158

23 күн бұрын

That is a good way to look at it

@readyforlol

23 күн бұрын

Does it count as a machine gun for Actium War Rig ?

@Jamethyst

23 күн бұрын

@@readyforlolThey’re comparing the play style that it incites to a machine gun… not that it’s actually a machine gun. Obvi it won’t work with Actium

@exaltedfalchion7441

23 күн бұрын

​@@readyforlol No, he's saying it should be treated in playstyle as a machine gun. If you want to run it like Actium War Rig, you'd need to use Cenotaph as that has the autofill Actium has, but for Traces

@christophernorris-ye3qb

23 күн бұрын

@@readyforlol No, I'm not saying it is literally a machine gun, but it serves the same role as a machine gun.

Well duh it's not gonna be good against The Witness, dude took no damage from the significantly bigger paracasual beam during Lightfall's opening.

@submachinegun5737

23 күн бұрын

Well we did end up finishing the kill with a giant microcosm beam

@marvinvogtde

23 күн бұрын

the witness, same as all tormentors and subjugators always count as shielded which increase the damage by quite a bit, so it actually cooks quite a bit on rthe witness

@augstradus

23 күн бұрын

Isn't it about just a smidge weaker than Whisper?

@victorvance13

21 күн бұрын

It’s actually viable against Witness. On my Titan I threw axes, then just beamed it with Microcosm and 3x Kinetic surges, hit 4.5 million across two phases.

Kinetics still get bonus damage on every tier of enemy except for bosses. This was a change in final shape. Which with this weapon I can see why.

@atheon-

23 күн бұрын

true lmao, imagine the new dps meta is a microwave, and with arou d 120k dps and 3.6 million damage if this thing didn't get nerfed and with no incentive to land all crits, this thing would kill whisper

@WitherTether

23 күн бұрын

Didn't they entirely remove that in this dlc? I swear they mentioned that for the patch notes for TFS

@WitherTether

23 күн бұрын

nvm...

@justifano7046

23 күн бұрын

Makes sense. Nerf an entire weapon type because of 1 new weapon. Instead of properly balancing the game

@atheon-

23 күн бұрын

@@justifano7046, what other knetic weapon were you using against bosses outside of supremacy?

5:10 remember that if the surge maches your subclass energy kinetics do recieve the bonus of said 25% if im not mistaken

@asawarai

23 күн бұрын

Yeah this is actually a big pro instead of a con. You will always have the surge bonus as long as your subclass matches one of the surges. Or your super, I guess, if you are on Prismatic.

@bilbo9730

23 күн бұрын

doesn't apply to raids and dungeons since those don't have the "overcharged weapons" modifier, which is the one that boosts kinetics if u match your super with the surges

@TeeBeeVO

23 күн бұрын

Do you remember when this change was added? I can’t find it in any of the Final Shape notes

@djwhyteryce3368

23 күн бұрын

​@@TeeBeeVOcame out in defiance

@TeeBeeVO

23 күн бұрын

@@djwhyteryce3368 Thank you!

"Uh, that's how guns work" - Love it.

this thing cooks with disruption break

@Obviouse

23 күн бұрын

Imagin that's the catalyst

@wethepeople8280

23 күн бұрын

COOKS BRO. COOKS

@Elijah-bj4vo

23 күн бұрын

Damnnnn didn’t even think of that

@dailycloudgaming5144

23 күн бұрын

Well tbh doesn't disruption break reload the weapon when it breaks a shield? It does extra dmg to shields, so it's probably only gonna have used a couple bullets to break the shield. Idk if disruption is what I want cuz it will only load like 5-8 bullets. I would love a target lock catalyst

@Hunt3r001

23 күн бұрын

@@dailycloudgaming5144you’re thinking of the perk genesis. Disruption break gives kinetic weapons a 50% buff for 5 seconds after breaking a shield.

If your super matches the surge, then the surge applies to kinetic weapons.

@bilbo9730

23 күн бұрын

only when the overcharge weapons modifier is active, you can check that when u look at nightfalls

@VanpyroGaming0

23 күн бұрын

@@bilbo9730 Unless it's changed with Final Shape, overcharge wasn't needed. Currently unable to test until later tonight

@sailpark124

23 күн бұрын

@@VanpyroGaming0 i think he is talking about where that option is. I believe "Matching super with elemental surge also surges your kinetic weapon" thingy was part of the overcharge weapons modifier, not the elemental surges.

@bilbo9730

23 күн бұрын

@@VanpyroGaming0 watch the "Threats, Surges and Overcharged Explained" from itzTizzle it has always worked the same way

@VanpyroGaming0

23 күн бұрын

@@sailpark124 It's never been that way before. Again, can't test to confirm till later

Well, Trace Rifles did receive a 20% buff on top of the base damage increase…

@FreshLavender

23 күн бұрын

Lots of folks think it's the intrinsic kinetic damage. Which is probably invalid because I'm guessing heavies don't get that. Your statement on traces getting that 20% buff on non-boss makes way more sense

5:53 this man’s way too lucky for his own good

There seems to be a lot of people incorrect in the comments. The Overcharged Weapons modifier is what provides kinetic weapons a damage buff when your Super matches one of the surges. Surges can be active in activities without the overcharged weapons mod (like the raid) and therefore, kinetic weapons would not get that buff. For things like nightfall, overcharged weapons are active and getting the damage boost is possible.

def my most fav weapon this season, i gotta say that first 40 bullets or so feels like a good trace and after 40 bullets it suddenly MELTS EVERYTHIN IN THE GAME for some weird reason

@taydoyle8780

23 күн бұрын

I think it's a bug like the dmg for the first 40 takes a second to load in it happens to me 2

@kostistsiutras4373

23 күн бұрын

@@taydoyle8780 shhhhhh it aint a bug, it works exactly as itended brotha

@juansantamaria7476

23 күн бұрын

Working as intended, indeed

It’s kinetic, those song of flame explosions are gonna go nuts

I kinda like it for the witness cause u don’t have to ads so you can see the blasts easier and you won’t blow yourself up cause someone strafed in front of you which is likely to happen there since you kinda have to move

It's like a REALLY strong Heavy Machine Gun. It also gets the bonus damage against Dread enemies, which helps a lot in Pale Heart activities or even the seasonal activity since there's a Tormentor boss.

@andrewberger3110

23 күн бұрын

its really not that good.... especially considering that you're giving up an exotic slot, youre better off just using commemoration or any other decent machine gun

@superbob24

23 күн бұрын

@@andrewberger3110 people are running triple legendary loadouts this season bc legendaries are so strong.

@andrewberger3110

23 күн бұрын

@@superbob24 have u heard of sunshot? grav lance? still hunt? navigator? i could go on but the point is if youre running triple legendary you just suck at making loadouts

@andrewberger3110

23 күн бұрын

@@superbob24 only time i could ever see triple legendary be viable would be lucky pants hunter with a rocket sidearm and eager sword

@wintereclipse3263

23 күн бұрын

@@andrewberger3110 It's better than like 99% of the exotic heavies. The only exotic heavies that see much use are arguably Whisper and Ghorn and one of those isn't because of its damage. It basically 1-2 phases every raid boss in the game consistently making it a better Tlord as most one phases require a lot of set up. Also down below you mention Sunshot, Grav, Sill Hunt, and Navigator let me reply to each Sunshot is still good but after the nerf the explosion doesn't do nearly as much as it once did same with Grav both start falling off in higher end content and likely won't even be viable in Master/GM content like they used to be Still hunt is great....For hunters. For Titans and Warlocks its okay it deals a lot but its too slow to be meta defining like it is on Hunters who basically get an extra celestial nighthawk shot while Titans and Warlocks get a slightly better Izi. Navigator fills a completely different role from most weapons its dps, ad clearing, and burst are pretty meh but its a powerful support weapon and great for Titans who are doing solo dungeons

have you uploaded the warlock build on this video? with the arc buddies and turret nades

Just PSA to everyone: kinetic weapons CAN get the surge as long as your super (or subclass element) MATCH the surge and the modifier “over charged weapons” is on.. you can hover over it and it says kinetics will be “surged” as long as your subclass or super match

@FreshLavender

23 күн бұрын

Almost exclusive to nightfalls I feel like "Overcharged Weapon" modifier should be anywhere any surges are, but whatever

If i'm not mistaken, the kinetic bonus damage doesn't apply for bosses, but apply for orange, red bars or mini bosses

@meekumanu

23 күн бұрын

That should still only be 15% though, it feels way stronger than that.

@FreshLavender

23 күн бұрын

It's 15% for specials 10% for primaries Heavies are unconfirmed

I've also found myself using no exotic weapons a lot so far in the final shape

I need to know what shader you use on no hesitation

this thing became one of my favorite heavy weapons its basically if you took one of Rheinmetall's prototype particle beam weapons you would see on ships and tanks and made it a portable weapon it just bores through anything you point it at.

A lot of dope weapons this expansion

How does the extra super charge compare to Bad Juju?

Glad you are back making loads of content! Miss that sweet voice and DPS numbers!

The main advantage I see to this thing is its forgiving nature for dps. If you miss shots on whisper or rockets, your dps decrease is significant. But the microcosm beam has no travel time, and each individual damage instance is less important, so missing a couple of criteria doesn't mean having to reload. Its condition for achieving its damage increase also isn't that contrived. Just pop goldy or thundercrash, or, well and boom, damage. It's a really safe weapon to dps with super consistent numbers. That, to me, is the main advantage of the weapon. Sort of like how people used thunderlord for a while on nezzy because less could go wrong.

Been using it while I farm class item It does in fact cook

does the damage buff stack with lumina? i main lumina and i always wonder if im even making a difference

I may be mistaken, but doesn't kinects recieve surge bonus equivalent to the subclass that you are using?

No surges but what about overcharge? Does it take the 25% when traces are overcharge?

Can you make a video in your build pls? How is your opinion on warlock now? You sounded a bit disappointed before final shape

Subjugators get fried for them have a built in stasis/strand shield

I was trying it with song of flame, but not dumping my super, but instead using it while the super is active, because song of flame says, rapid kinetic/solar hits apply scorch, and i tied the fragment that causes sever on precision hits, i never did any actual testing, but it seemed ok?

what shader is that on your no hesitation and the call?

Can you test two tailed fox, the prismatic fragment facet of command reloads it after suppression. You can just hose out rockets and it feels good but I'm curious if it's actually a good option.

It feels like it fits better as a really strong MG to me. - Great total damage and reserves (like an MG) - high DPS for an MG - Kinetic Damage bonus versus Non-boss enemies - Strips shields and deletes Subjugators due to shield interactions - built-in thresh - long lasting but infrequent damage buff. So yeah, I’m using it more like a LMG and it cooks when used like that.

@majora919

23 күн бұрын

Where are you getting built in tresh from

@Briggsian

23 күн бұрын

​@majora919 he means for Prismatic, as Kinetic feeds both Light and Dark meters for Transcendent

@T.J.27

23 күн бұрын

@@majora919it gives bonus super energy on kill

@pagnean4234

23 күн бұрын

@@majora919 did you see the video

@Plem_xo

13 күн бұрын

@@Briggsian That isn't what he meant at all. He was talking about the bonus super from kills. What are you talking about?

In activities where Artifact Overcharges are active, Kinetic weapons will be Overcharged if your super matches an Overcharged element, like Solar or Strand. It clearly says this under the additional overcharges modifier in activities where it applies.

didnt trace get a bonus to majors? with the last update. would explain your feeling there

Wasnt it a thing with surges that if you had a subclass matching the surge, it increased kinetic damage 25% ? Did they change it at some point without me noticing?

Don’t activity surges boost kinetic weapons if your super matches the surge?

What happened to their being a kinetic surge whenever your subclass matches surges?

For the surge thing I should remind you that it says kinetic weapons gain the 25% buff if your super matches the surge type.

Don't kinetic weapons get the surge bonus when you subclass matches the surge?

Idk if you know but if you hit subjugators with the matching element type they're using (so if it's using stasis using a stasis weapon) you'll do bonus damage... maybe that has something to do with it because micro does bonus to shields 🤔 maybe overthinking it

@readyforlol

23 күн бұрын

I've seen several people in the comments state this as fact, so you may be onto something.

Question: I remember kinetic exotics getting the surge buff if your super matches the surge. Is this still the case?

wait...wait, this is great and all but, did you just get a exotic class item during a Overthrow? so once i complete the mission they can just drop from it?

@momoirobara959

23 күн бұрын

After getting it from the quest they can drop from any Pale Heart chest

This thing is the new Thunderlord

I thought this was just an exotic lmg but I think I might actually go grab this one up soon

its so fun to use

Why is there a 2nd DPS number? I’ve seen that on aegis’s spreadsheet too but idk which is which or what one to take seriously when debating which guns are better or not compared to each other

Oh yeah, one more thing, it actually absolutely should cook any type of boss where you have to break a shield initially, espeically talking about the Ghosts of the Deep bosses, as you can have one person on Arbalest, which will grant you a 50% buff due to Disruption Break.

Do you run warden of nothing every time you want to test on that boss? I always see you killing it but wouldn’t that make you need to run the strike again?

Does it get a damage boost in a well?

Note about surges, doesnt matching your super to the elemental surge give kinetic weapons the active surge damage increase? I remember seeing that in a tool tip, or somewhere in game...

Kinetics overpower when super matches the activity's surge.

With your super matching the surge kinetics get the surge bonus also, I think its a good thing especially for solar on hunter / warlock, and strand / void on titan

I think a big bonus is that you are in full control of the entire damage. Rockets can be over kill or some things just chunk but with the RPM it’s so easy to stop when you’ve done enough damage.

This thing absolutely melts Subjugators lol

Why is the element changing on kills? And it was making firesprites at one point, which might be from a fragment, but still. What is that?

How is it when you have someone else in your Fireteam using Song of Flame, which gives Kinetic Weapons Scorch?

Kinetic weapons get surge bonus if your super matches the surge unless they changed that in TFS.

@MG_EloteLoco

23 күн бұрын

Came here to say that 😅

@bilbo9730

23 күн бұрын

never worked that way, it's the overcharge weapons modifier that buff kinetics when you match your super

@PineappleZach666

23 күн бұрын

@@bilbo9730 Yes which is a 25% buff the same as surge

@smakadragon

23 күн бұрын

​@@PineappleZach666 except it's not the same as a surge

@slytheninja

23 күн бұрын

Except its tied to overcharge modifier ​@@PineappleZach666

I thought your kinetics received surge bonuses if your super aligned with the surge? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Did bungie get rid of the whole matching your subclass to the surges give kinetic weapons the surge buff? I don’t remember them ever saying that

Remember that if your super matches the active surge, your kinetic weapons get the surge buff as well.

This thing needs the “fundamentals” perk for its catalyst

you can still use it in surge activities if your subclass is the same as the surge having the same subclass makes your kinetic weapons surge

Doesn't matching your subclass to the surge overcharge your kinetic weapon? Maybe because its in the heavy slot its missing that damage in the surge activities

Anybody know how much scorch this thing applies with song of flame active? Been waiting for a damage test of that scenario until i have time to get it myself.

Weirdly enough, I liked using it against the witness since you can hip fire and see the attacks on the ground to make callouts. Very helpful in keeping my teammates alive and my damage wasn't too far off my teammates except the people using hunter with still hunt.

Don’t kinetics get the active surge if your super matches one of the surges?

@noazoltar6493

23 күн бұрын

Yeah that’s what I was thinking. That means that this can have surge at all times if you match your super.

does it work with the cinotaph exotic???

Is it a frame based weapon again?? Like levi breath is?

Don't kinetic weapons get a damage bonus if your super matches the surge? like this week is solar surge so if I ran solar titan it gets the damage bonus. I could easily be wrong but I swear I've heard that recently

This thing deleting overloads without being stunned is crazy

I thought you got a ‘kinetic’ surge in activities where surges are active, as long as your subclass matches the surge modifier

Ehroar, I also used it on Witness and had damage numbers inferior to my teammate, but we also very easily two phased it with no weakness buffs and only one hunter on Still Hunt, it's possible the weapon really is hitting harder than it shows and possibly even registers for boss damage on summary screen. Would be interesting to see 6 of them used against a raid boss, I'm wondering if this could be a high FPS thing just like 1k voices back in the day?

This shield they mentioned here perhaps apply to DR. I wonder if it works well with Brigg too.

As long as your super matches the surge, kinetic weapons get the surfer bonus so theoretically it always matches surge

I love the new exotic skin for orisa, the arm gun design is fire 🔥

It also has a catalyst on light gg, hopefully the perk from it is useful

I could see a use for boss dps in dungeons like Ghost of the Deep, where all the bosses have a shield each time you start a dps phase

onslaught has trace buff this week and it absolutely cooks the tormentors

Definitely great for kinetic builds and just plowing through stuff.

people forget kinetics get the surge (25%) bonus if your super matches a surge

someone brought this in ghosts and it definitely cooked during the boss fight!

could u do a dmg test against pro memoria with bait and switch and envious on it

I got this last night and don’t see it coming off for awhile

I use it to cook the tormentors in the new exotic mission, feels very good.

The Micro straight melts bosses

Matching your subclass to the surge gives the buff to kinetic weapons

I thought kinetic’s get the surge buff if your super is matching the surge element. Is that not the case anymore?

Am I seriously the only one to notice him casually being lucky and getting the exotic class item from a chest? lmao

watching ehroar realize that health bars dont correlate directly to damage and have a stroke was good

Can you not get the surge buff for kinetic in raids by matching your subclass to the weekly burn if I remember right that’s how you get it in gms if your weapon isn’t overcharged

something i dont see people mention is that when multiple people use it it seems to stack in damage effective ness. 2 people with surge deletes mini bosses in seconds.

Im using a double special for the first time because of this weapon. Ceno + cosm is just too good. Rocking the stasis trace with the solar rocket sidearm. New favorite loadout

This thing deserves intrinsic anti barrier. It just feels like it would be very fun in gm’s lmao

Who would have thought that putting a special weapon archetype in the heavy slot would be good for non-boss encounters.

The first heavy kinetic weapon in Destiny history has to Titan punches