REMINDER!! The numbers are DIFFERENT SETUPS FOR EACH SONG!! So if you comment "#2 sounded the best" you have to clarify WHICH #2 - they are different for each song!!

I love seeing a well used horn with battle scars. It has a story to tell. I just threw mine down the stairway so it would have more character.

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome!!!

@Desertduleler_88

Жыл бұрын

I hope it improved your intonation lol…

@kennetheastman5703

Жыл бұрын

@@Desertduleler_88 hey its suppose to play out of tune. Just keep bending notes and call it blues

@TURBOMIKEIFY

Жыл бұрын

My almost 10 year old YTS200II just got mold EVERYWHERE thanks to my apartment building leaking from the ceiling and walls into my saxophone that was sitting in my closet. Didn't know until it was too late. I'm so broken.

I think the biggest difference was in the neck, that unlacquered neck sounded really warm!

If I had a thousand original Mark VIs and a thousand relacquered Mark VIs I wouldn't have to work my crappy day job for quite a while.

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Hahah!! Good point...

The biggest issue with this is that I feel like we’re really just comparing two different mark vi’s at this point. The only way to really know the difference it makes is to take your original laquer and have it taken off and relaquered. That being said I like the second horn better and the original with the relauquered neck even better.

@tpark89

3 жыл бұрын

100%

Every sax sounds fantastic with this guy playing on it.

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

@e.i1476

3 жыл бұрын

I know right!! There's sometimes no point of the comparisons😂

I don’t know which one sounds better, but they both look amazing!

Man I appreciate your videos

I only listened to "Stars" but #2 jumped out to me as the most pure sound (and also best air support) and I thought that it would be the original one...glad to see my ears didn't fail me.

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Nailed it!

Great Video and method! Also, your sound is admirable !

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Really excellent video!!!!!

I don't think the lacquer or lack there of, has any effect on the sound. This clip just makes me miss the Mark VI I had back in the late 60's-early 70's.

Excellent video, Dave! I especially found interesting your comment about how the neck changed the response. Yamaha makes different types of necks and it may be of interest if you could review them. Thanks as always for awesome content!

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! If Yamaha would send me a couple I’ll definitely do it.

Awesome video!

@DavePollack

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

As someone who enjoys listening to sax, but doesn't play yet, I quite enjoyed the smoothness of the fully relacquered setup. All sounded good either way🤘

Loved any sound combination. Noticed that the original sax is brighter than relacquered

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I agree - the relacquered horn was a tiny bit dull to me, and definitely felt weird to play. The fact that it didn't vibrate a lot was pretty confusing!

To my knowledge , the whole big deal about re-lacquered horns is if the tone holes were carelessly buffed,in prepping the horn.

So, the biggest difference I heard was on Stars Fell on Alabama between #1 and #2. I was quite shocked because, in most of these comparison videos I've seen, the difference is so subtle that I would just say they're the same. When #2 came on I noticed a remarkable focused in its sound. While #1 wasn't necessarily stuffy, the core of its sound wasn't as full as I'd like. It ended up making total sense after you explained what happened with the relacquered horn. This video was really cool and I'm happy to see someone else loves the look of untouched vintage horns lol. Seems like everyone else is hyping these shiny horns while I'm admiring the unlacquered beauties.

To my ears the original lacquer horn with the relacquered neck had the absolute most vibrant sound. The relacquered horn with the original neck was also great yet I don't feel the original lacquered was the best. In the end they are two different saxes.

I heard the first three notes and my reaction was "that's not his usual horn". Don't know why... Anyway, they sound great and in the end I guess a comparison between two original VIs would be very similar. Nice video!

thanks

You're truly a National Treasure. "Chevy Chase meets Richie Cole!"

Hey Dave! I’ve been looking for a good mic lately and audio interface for recording , what do you use ? Or are there any that you recommend?? Also , you’re always killin on every video you do jeez 🔥

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I don't know a ton about recording gear, but I use a Carvin CTM100 large diaphragm condenser mic, into a Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 (then edit audio in Logic). Not sure about other mics, and it definitely depends on budget - those things can get EXPENSIVE!

@drewmartin3797

3 жыл бұрын

Dave Pollack thank youu!!! For you helpp

On the first song, I loved number 2 ....after reveal it's original sax and neck

Subyle differences in playing more critical than super subtle horn differences. All sounded great. I had a 1965 mistake

Hi Dave! Nice video. It's very hard to be conclusive on such an issue, especially with MKVI's. There was for the most part never a consistent alloy for all of their horns, therefore they all sound and react differently. I've had such an experience with 2 MKVI sopranos ... 300% difference! Anyway, original lacquer vs Re-lacquered is a tough nut. Granted, at least 80% of the sound is your own physiology, then the mouthpiece, reed, and ligature combo takes a cut, and I'm glad you compared necks, they have their share of the sound as well (of course), and then when it comes to the lacquer...??? Who knows how much of a role it plays in the end?

Laquer is breaking down on my Yanagiisawa, but it's also covered in black/brrown spots, patches and blotches, but they are forming under the laquer. In a few of these places, the lacquer is brittle and comes away easily, but the dark patches underneath are on pretty hard. The neck lacquer (Its a one piece soprano) was discolored and brittle, but the metal underneath doesn't have the dark corrosion. So I cleared it off. Cleaning off the thumb hook and pad too is making me think I should strip it down, de laquer and clean up all those dark patches. Part of the issue is I am in Vietnam, so I can't get it re-laquered, and the environment here probably led to those dark crrsion inder the laquer. So if I strip it and clean it, I'm sure it's going to look really vintage in a short time.

I’m a very simple player after 40 years, I don’t have great sight reading and a fair sound that stays in tune…I play the paper. So, I came across an old Mark 6 Tenor by accident…traded it for a relaquered Mark 6 Alto…done by a guy here in Philly (Mike Hammer). I play in a String Band and I’m playing it tomorrow night for the first time with the full band…I’ll let you know how it felt. I’ve played it at home and it feels great. I’m anxious to play with the band though.

I couldn't tell which one was which but I could tell a difference. The biggest difference for me was which neck was used as I found the original neck on the original body and the lacquered neck on the lacquered body sounded the best.

My horn is a 210xxx VI that’s relaquered. I love it, and it sounds great! Best horn I’ve ever played on! Much cheaper than most VIs, too. I got it for the price of a modern horn. People spend too much time and money on horns that the laquer has worn out on because of myths. As you, said each horn plays different, and it’s more up to the player! Great video, Dave!

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

That's awesome! Glad to hear you have a great horn and didn't break the bank getting it.

Relacquered sounded edgier, maybe it's just from it being the non-familiar horn, but that's what I was anticipating. Had seen Mike Wilbur play with a different, relacquer 10M and it sounded ever so slightly edgier too--to me. So idk. Would be cool if you had time to sit with just the second horn for a few weeks.

Great video! For some reason the collector’s value has greatly influenced the player’s value of Mark VI horns in regards to the lacquer! Very great instruments can be had for an incredible price when relacquered. Of course like you said, players need to try it first. And maybe even being an extra set of ears!

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Oh I always advise going with something that can listen to you. When my students buy horns I’m always meeting them wherever it is to listen as well.

@AcevedoDMA

3 жыл бұрын

*bring. Yup, teachers coming along for a major purchase like a sax really should be required.

I didn’t test out my yas 62 before I bought it but I guess it did come straight from the factory.

Whoa whoa whoa you play in tune? I feel like there is a commenter that would disagree... Another great video, I'm glad someone is finally expressing that playing what you're comfortable on is what you will sound best on!

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahah!! Did I use proper breath support too?! I appreciate that - I think too many people think their gear is inferior because others say it is. Play what YOU have, and buy what YOU want - then work on yourself as a player to make it all sound good!

@SomeGuyOnSax

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavePollack It took me years to figure out that I sound the same on a Selmer, Yamaha, Cannonball, Conn, Meyer, OttoLink... I just feel more comfortable on my particular setup. (It's a weird problem sax players have always wanting to know someone else's setup.)

@rumikazbar8228

3 жыл бұрын

i just want an u lacquered sax bc it looks cool lol

on second song... I love number 1 and 4, after reveal.... original sax and neck, original sax with relak neck

My Shining Hour # 04 take this sax sounds better. The combination gives a good edgy and warm tone too. I have a factory re-lacquered mark six from 1964, though it was done by the first owner and passed on to ahead when I purchased it. It sounds quite bright and I don't find any issues, I just see my horn as a screamer horn.

I liked 1 and 3 the best. To me they had a clearer sound whereas the other two had a bit more of a fuzzier sound.

Without seeing the set up 2 was easily my favorite. Followed by 3.

Embrace the lacquer wear, and definitely try before you buy for sure.

For me it was more about the neck than the horn. Both are fantastic horns. I am curious if they are in the same production era. I know the Mark VI necks were not the same over the production years. I personally love the early necks with the short bow. how old are these saxes and are the necks in the same ball park?

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

The relacquer is older than mine - I think by about 6 years but I'm not 100% sure.

Haven't watched the vid but I'd not think it would make much of a difference. Nevermind I deffinantly can tell that there is more vibrato on the relaquered one I think at this point only halfway through. Ok on giant steps four and I think this one is relaquered neck and saxaphone.

All 4 combinations sound same to me, not even 0,001 percent difference. Don't worry, I was listening to this video on Genelec 8030c near field monitors.

“ tell em to shut up” im dying

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Hahah!

Who the hell would vote thumbs down for this????

Listening to you play is a joy. Listening to overpriced MKVI horns makes me love my WoodStone all the more

My rankings were :1324, 2341, 2341, 4132

Something about the alto sax that just screams "tortured duck". It sounded like you were torturing that duck very well. I can do baritone sax all day long and soprano sax is only for movie special fx.

Don;t get me wrong, I agree, the re-lacquer sax sounds great, I just keep going back to the original one sound wise.....in terms of it reminded me of a Phil Woods sound.....

after reveals....I agree that no 2 saxes really sound alike. Ok, my ear is drawn to the Original sax and original neck, I don't know why, but there is something there that is fuller, and more robust..

You get a more nasally Selmer sound I like with the original neck. I can tell immediately.

Great video! I didn’t expect to hear a difference at all, but the original lacquer horn sounded noticeably brighter and more resonant. Original finish horn and original finish neck was my favorite in all of the clips, 2nd place was original lacquer horn and relacquer neck. In that oh so tasty version of “giant steps” I had more trouble telling which one was which, but the total relacquer setup stuck out as the dullest. Like you said, I’m sure with more time on the relacquer setup this difference would be less noticeable, and those differences could have little or nothing to do with the finish. Thanks for another fun one!

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I totally agree with all of that.

My saxophone teacher warned me NOT to relacquer my saxophone because it will lose its value.

sweet intro bro

@fiveafterseven

3 жыл бұрын

also I really like that shirt!

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Emry!! Thank youuuuu...figured I'd change it up a bit

I honestly could not tell which sax was which, so I just enjoyed your playing. However, what I think would make some difference is a lacquered player !

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Haha!! Original or relacquered human?? I think I can make a video on that...

I could tell a small difference but I assume a non sax player in the audience of a gig wouldn’t be able to. the biggest difference was between which neck was being played. I found the ones that used the og lacquer neck to sound similar and same with the relaq neck.

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

I really should have recorded other stuff with that horn, just to use at a later time. Then when someone likes it, I can say it's on a relacquered horn and to stop hating on them!

What reed you play on just curious?

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

D'Addario Select Jazz 3 soft filed

@macemaster5295

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavePollack Yess I am byast too this as well.

on 3rd song number 2 and 4, after reveal......original sax and relak neck, ori sax and ori neck

Lacquered sounds louder, but no lacquer sounds warmer and brighter.

Honestly, I thought there would be a greater difference but I really couldn't tell. I have delacquered a few saxes and I definitely could tell a difference and as a result I prefer no lacquer. But here, with just listening, They may have all been the same as far as I could tell. I'm listening with JBL headphones.

i got #2 right, original lacquered

How can one tell if a horn is relacquered ?

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure, but this one was owned by Chris's grandfather and he was the one who relacquered it, so we know for sure about this horn!

@sebastiansprotte2551

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know so much about this, but if the engraving is not as deep as it should be, it's possibly relacquered.

ugh you sound great on both smh, but if i had to choose I'd pick the first

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Well there are 4 different setups, and the numbers for each tune change throughout!

@ironeousaudio

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavePollack Should have been more specific I meant the original lacquer with the original neck, but that might just be because you've been playing on it for so long.

I know I'm so late to the party but I can say that it really stood out far more than I expected that the full unlaquered set up just popped out so much more, far more frequences. I had no real preconseptions but found it quite starkly obvious. The relaquering doesn't destroy the sound but it sounds far more contained. The neck is also the main deal. Actually it's really food for thought.

thx did you try saxophone made in taiwan

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

No I haven't - if someone sends me one I'll play it for a video!

I don't think it has ever been about sound. There is just something about an original lacquered vintage horn that makes you feel connected to the origins of jazz.

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Never been about sound? I’ve read tons of discussions of people saying one sounds better than the other.

"I don't think anyone would know the difference. 🙂" Lots of Keyboard Gods went silent at this. Edit: The fanboys are punching the air right now. No remorse in this man.

@DavePollack

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Pissed myself at the giant steps did you use kenny g spots neck on your horn lmao

What?! You mean it is more about starting with a good instrument, lacquered or relacquered, IN GOOD PLAYING REGULATION?! Sacrilege! LOL You speak truth and have the playing to back it up. While I heard a slight difference in timbre when listening blindly, they ALL sounded good to my ears- strong articulation, breath support, shaping the notes, tone, general musicality....all of the elements dependent on the player rather than the instrument. I didn't notice the nuance in tuning, either, that you mentioned about the borrowed horn. I have a relac alto that I bought from a friend, hands-down the best alto I've played. And I have a modern Selmer tenor that I chose over a well set-up, original lacquer Mark VI because....well....it just responded better for me. You make a very strong point...whatever horn you have, make sure it is well-regulated with no leaks, etc. A friend had a Mark VI tenor that was a dog until they got all of the leaks fixed, an excellent-sounding tenor after that.

IMO the all original laqcuered sax sounded more open, kinda like the new lacquer is a shell that constricted the horn. Without the new lacquer, the horn sounded more free blowing. This is just my opinion so it may have sounded different to others. Either way great vid!

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

Ha! This guy would sound good on a Bundy II with or without lacquer. I vote for the YAS-62 original lacquer though. Awesome sound, plays in-tune and costs $10 grand less than any VI!

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Hah, well my horn is a VI and I'm not giving it up for a Yamaha anytime soon!

So lets get this straight are we saying the mk6 with no lacquer was not as good as when it had its original laqure lol. So if you re laq a horn its just making it like new I have a fully stripped martin and a yammy with laqure both sound good id buy a re laqure no prob

I don't think the lacquer makes any difference whatsover...

In my opinion I think the neck makes a huge difference

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Yes it does!

Dave you’re the hippest player in town lmao

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Hah, thanks

you should’ve said the “shut up” at the very end of the video 😂 this was a very interesting video btw

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, thanks

The original lacquer sounded way better because it looks cooler

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, I do agree that it looks way better than the shiny one.

I prefer the original setup. It also looks beautiful!

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Chris Oatts? Dick Oatts’ son??

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Nephew!

@racehoglund7251

3 жыл бұрын

Dave Pollack nice

sounds like you're having to work just a lil harder on 1, i like 2 better

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

On which song? Remember the numbers are different for each!

@Allencaillou

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavePollack my b, for giant steps

Hmm Giant steps I think Number 1 was relaqoured neck and your sax Number 2 was your sax and relaqoured neck Number 3 was relaqouered sax and yoyr neck Number 4 I think was the all relaqouered sax For stars fall over Alabama the the first was yours Second was your neck relaqoured sax Third was all relaqoured sax Fourth was relaqoured neck your sax My shining hour I think that the first was just your sax Second was the relaqoured neck and your sax Thrid was your neck and the relourqered sax Fourth was the relaqoured sax Finaly for blues I think the first was all relaqouered Second was relaqoured neck and your sax Third was your sax and relaqoueed neck Fourth was your sax Let's see how wrong I am🤣.

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

For which song? Remember the numbers are different for every song!

@macemaster5295

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavePollack oh yeah

@macemaster5295

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavePollack yeah way off your sax Is what I prefer by far.

Bro, please don't make this videos I want to be able to sell my MARK Vis around $40,000 because its original lacquer

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

Hahah hey - this means I can't sell mine for as much too!

First

I heard the first three notes and my reaction was "that's not his usual horn". Don't know why... Anyway, they sound great and in the end I guess a comparison between two original VIs would be very similar. Nice video!

@DavePollack

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that! Glad you liked it.