Support me on Patreon: www.patreon.com/ComradeHakim Twitter: @YaBoiHakim A drier video than usual, but definitely a necessary one. A quick point by point discussion on what is commodity production, its existence under various modes of production, and its sometimes necessary (albeit unsavory) continuation into Socialism. The gist of the video? Material conditions! We're Marxists, and must analyze things based on their material conditions. Commodity production is not a button to press on or off, and certain realities of especially third-world nations make it practically impossible to immediately abolish commodity production short of stopping production entirely (real Pol Pot hours? 🤔). Cease the dogmatism, and realize that Socialism is a process, not a set of affairs to be established. Love you all.

@Pridetoons

4 жыл бұрын

Can you also debunk "Market Socialism" and Dengism?

@patricks1333

3 жыл бұрын

This video starts out fine by describing (accurately) what a commodity is. Then it goes and describes "simple commodity production," which exists outside of capitalism, since generalized commodity production is what characterizes capitalism. Then it becomes total dogshit by making the argument that because the USSR only had simple commodity production rather than generalized (Stalin actually says it has generalized, but whatever) it qualifies as socialist; however, this is an argument for it having a *PRE*-capitalist mode of production rather than a post-capitalist one.

I’m so happy there’s a communist youtuber who actually goes into the details and depths of theory and the like. Keep up the good work.

@Gaff.

4 жыл бұрын

@Matthew Heckman Bad Empanada does some good stuff on Latin America, including Venezuela. Not _everything_ he does is perfect, but a lot of that stuff is good and fills a gap in English-language content. If you want to add me on Discord, this is me: Master of Unlocking#9473 There you can ask me any questions you have about socialism any time you want. Reading that you're homeless, I feel that the least I can do is give you someone to talk to in case that helps at all. Best of luck.

@Gaff.

4 жыл бұрын

@Matthew Heckman I've never heard of those. I think I can go with the excuse that I'm old. I don't really like the idea of downloading more stuff like that, but I'll have a look. For introductory Marxist stuff, halim alrah's channel is really really good. Very understandable for beginners.

@j.m.g.2041

4 жыл бұрын

@Matthew Heckman Sorry to hear of your miseries, your family sounds like a nightmare. You are certainly not a wack-job, comrade. Here is some media regarding Venezuela, if you are interested: Leftist Debunks John Oliver's Venezuela Episode (Mike Prysner, Empire Files): kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZqKj6Vqccqbo6w.html The War on Democracy (90 minute documentary by John Pilger): vimeo.com/16724719

@a.n.l.aantineoliberalismas4504

4 жыл бұрын

@Matthew Heckman kzread.info/dash/bejne/gWWW18-Rn7yXcso.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/dGmExdieltLZpdo.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIB4uJt6ZK20eso.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/f56rrpOmg9W2fKQ.html Your welcome comrade

@peternyc

4 жыл бұрын

@Matthew Heckman Welcome aboard, Matthew Heckman. Americans have been brainwashed by the Cold War. The average person here has an infantile emotional makeup that worships power and authority. We would be lucky to live in Venezuela. Socialism meets the needs and wants of the people. Capitalism meets the needs and wants of owners. If you aren't an owner, then you are not living in a country that is able to meet your needs. YOU have to meet the needs of the owners (of the country). Everything is upside down in capitalism. Hang in there, brother. You will persevere and happier days are coming.

In short: since products of co-ops like collective farms dont belong to society but only to the co-op, they had organize exchange between co-ops and society (though within a framework of economic planning & regulation). This exchange does not entail exploitation. Labour was not a commodity, and society primarily functioned through planning as opposed to a capitalist society ruled by generalized commodity production.

@MasterOfDestructionX

4 жыл бұрын

so no?

@MrAntiVision

4 жыл бұрын

Wait so coop capitalism aka market socialism is actually socialist wooow

@WM-gf8zm

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrAntiVision what?

@MrAntiVision

4 жыл бұрын

@@WM-gf8zm no "exploitation" in a market socialist society

@WM-gf8zm

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrAntiVision that has nothing to do with markets

this channel is the only one that has made me start to read theory instead of just watch videos on socialism.

@realistblue-_-136

Жыл бұрын

Real

Pediatric therapist Hakim, curing infantile disorders one armchair at a time

@gabrielsantiago3016

4 жыл бұрын

Comrade Louro José is best Comrade.

@pedrosampaio7349

4 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielsantiago3016 Com certeza, camarada

@sirmakhno6801

2 жыл бұрын

Morri Cope absurdo. Literalmente o único motivo para não abolir o dinheiro seria para manter o comércio com países capitalistas como USSR comprando maquinaria britânica. Mas de resto não faz a mínima ideia a não abolição das mercadorias. Vocês apenas são oportunistas que temem o comunismo.

@pedrosampaio7349

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirmakhno6801 okay Makhno, beleza, volta lá pra Ucrânia fazer bandidagem feito um Lampião kkkkk. Os trabalhadores tinham poder político-econômico durante a existência da URSS? Os capitalistas fizeram tudo para abolí-la? Um país pode viver sem comércio estrangeiro algum? Até os Jucheistas lá em Pyongyang têm que fazer comércio com a China e sei lá mais quem. Pode ser que certos aspectos da URSS inevitavelmente deram luz ao seu fim, não a estudei bastante para refutar isso. Más pô, é difícil reconhecer que a vida e o poder político-econômico dos trabalhadores soviéticos foi maior entre 17 e 91? É tão difícil assim aceitar que erros foram feitos, e que esta ou aquela revolução não andou segundo a tua preferência? Eu certamente não apoio o projeto soviético sem questionar ou queixar. Considere o 'apoio crítico', Rosa Luxemburgo também o teve em relação ao projeto de 1917. Aliás, não tô afim de ter conversa séria em mídia social, então adeus companheiro :^)

@sirmakhno6801

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedrosampaio7349 Morri, achando que eu sou anarquista sem perceber a ironia. Eu não neguei o comercio exterior em nenhum momento, péssima interpretação de texto de vossa parte, eu quis dizer que o UNICO motivo a qual seria um bom argumento para a não abolição do dinheiro e do formato de mercadoria era diante ao comercio externo, mas não existe nenhum motivo para a USSR não ter abolido, não faz mínimo sentido, por favor Leia Marx e pare de ler oportunistas Russos que cristalizaram o Czarismo. Simplesmente a USSR vivia até os anos 50, um sistema capitalista de acumulação primitiva, ou seja, consumo como extração de mais valia para usar desse acumulo para investir e etc entre outras áreas, ao invés de meramente estabelecer uma boa alocação de recursos. Sem dizer que mesmo com escassez de recursos o uso de vales trabalho para racionar o consumo ou mesmo as leis econômicas sobre aumento do valor de acordo com a escassez não alteraria em uma economia sobre abolição completa da mercadorias. Hakim junto aos todos são meros propagadores do capitalismo russo. Todo plano era baseado em que o futuro bloco oriental seria mero grande bloco consumidor gerador de lucros para os Russos. Mesmo quando chamam o Comunismo de esquerda de doença infantil baseado em Lenin se esquecem que a critica de Lenin nunca foi sobre a economia comunista, mas sim as táticas desorganizadas de grupos comunistas de esquerda.

"q" in mandarin is closer to a soft "ch" sound than it is to a hard "k" sound

@YaBoiHakim

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the correction.

@mirmalchik

4 жыл бұрын

@@YaBoiHakim Of course! Thank you for all the work you've put into this channel.

@pierreproudhon9008

4 жыл бұрын

Ach, pronunciation police. Can find them in every youtube video.

@mirmalchik

4 жыл бұрын

@@pierreproudhon9008 and the country known in the anglophone world as "Georgia" is better transliterated as "Gruzia," unless you ask its president www.rferl.org/a/georgia_asks_friends_to_stop_calling_it_gruzia/24264848.html

It's 5 in the Morning and I'm finally on time for a Comrade Hakim video.

@user-fg8ux8zo6w

4 жыл бұрын

how timezone-centric of you. You have been reported to the committee of ultras to be canceled on Twitter shortly.

@goutamboppana961

3 ай бұрын

@@user-fg8ux8zo6wsocialism is when one time zone

I had a hard day at work and then Comrade Hakim uploaded. You've made my day!

@YaBoiHakim

4 жыл бұрын

Hope your day gets better buddy :)

Since an election is coming up in the US, bourgeois candidates are helping to fund Comrade Hakim's channel through their ads!

@NA-ck6cz

4 жыл бұрын

They'll sell you the rope eh (;

@lhommedelayaute1989

2 жыл бұрын

Is it legal to make ad for political candidate on youtube ? I thought it wasn't

@sarimsalman2698

4 ай бұрын

#justamericathings​@@lhommedelayaute1989

Holy shit read Bordiga and Lenin

During the rapid industrialization period of almost all former socialist experiments in agrarian countries, mismanaged commodity production by the state, which mostly consisted agricultural product in exchange for machinery and other industrial goods in international trade, greatly damaged the proletariat-peasant alliance and induced many tragedies. Future movements should avoid this pitfall.

@patricks1333

3 жыл бұрын

This video starts out fine by describing (accurately) what a commodity is. Then it goes and describes "simple commodity production," which exists outside of capitalism, since generalized commodity production is what characterizes capitalism. Then it becomes total dogshit by making the argument that because the USSR only had simple commodity production rather than generalized (Stalin actually says it has generalized, but whatever) it qualifies as socialist; however, this is an argument for it having a *PRE*-capitalist mode of production rather than a post-capitalist one.

Workers of the world unite!

@N3003Q

4 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@guyoflife

3 жыл бұрын

@Karl Marx what about it?

@guyoflife

3 жыл бұрын

@Karl Marx I'm not very knowledgeable about the theory but I don't think so. Your personal satisfaction decreasing with each successive commodity doesn't change the labor that created it. Marx's LTV does take supply and demand into account and the fact that someone needs to have use for it. So it doesn't deny subjectivity. Really all you need to understand to subscribe to the notion of exploitation is that the workers created the product and do everything that's involved getting it to customers so even if you want to say "value is subjective" then that subjective satisfaction they're willing to pay for is all thanks to workers and workers should get the money.

Socialism commodity production should be called residual commodity production. Under capitalism, there is generalised production...most striking feature is where the worker is forced to sell their labour power(as a commodity) for a wage. To quote Marx " Otherwise with capital. The historical conditions of its existence are by no means given with the mere circulation of money and commodities. It can spring into life, only when the owner of the means of production and subsistence meets in the market with the free labourer selling his labour-power. And this one historical condition comprises a world’s history. Capital, therefore, announces from its first appearance a new epoch in the process of social production. " Excellent video.

Mashallah Daddy Hakim has uploaded

“Such an idea, applied to the national question, resembles Proudhon’s idea, as applied to capitalism. Not abolishing capitalism and its basis - commodity production - but purging that basis of abuses, of excrescences, and so forth; not abolishing exchange and exchange value, but, on the contrary, making it “constitutional”, universal, absolute, “fair”, and free of fluctuations, crises and abuses - such was Proudhon’s idea. Just as Proudhon was petty-bourgeois, and his theory converted exchange and commodity production into an absolute category and exalted them as the acme of perfection, so is the theory and programme of “cultural-national autonomy” petty bourgeois, for it converts bourgeois nationalism into an absolute category, exalts it as the acme of perfection, and purges it of violence, injustice, etc.” - Lenin

Although I'm in line with most of critiques of USSR made by Leon Trotsky I never understood some of the critiques by people who considered themselves as disciples of Trotsky, of Stalin's USSR. They've later, after murder of Trotsky by Stalin, abandoned his notion that USSR is a "Deformed socialist state" and started calling Soviet Union "State Capitalist" state, which in my opinion is completely infantile and un-dialectical position, considering that capitalism's core is in private and individual incentive and in ownership of means of production, and there was no such thing in USSR of course. (Just a thought vaguely linked with the subject of this video)

@covjekapsurda2673

3 жыл бұрын

@红兔子 You do understand that this is an extreme strawmaning right?

@covjekapsurda2673

3 жыл бұрын

@红兔子 You got me...I'm destroyed! Long live Joe Biden and Kamala Harris!

This was confusing as all hell, I really need to read more theory hahaha. Appreciate the effort you go to to answer complex questions about socialism and explaining theoretical concepts in depth, it really puts you a head and shoulders above any other leftist youtuber imo

Hey, let me stimulate the algorithm.

@B_A-tr

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds fun

Yay communism

@B_A-tr

4 жыл бұрын

Yay

@dripstein6130

4 жыл бұрын

Boo

@papichulo4171

4 жыл бұрын

Yay!

@darthjarjarbinkstherealsit6832

3 жыл бұрын

Yay!

Great video mate, really helps to understand these important topics without reading a whole ton of theory

All I need to know is if I can still have my video games, anime figures, and ultra real feel silicone megabater with nut collecting tray 3000. I need this, man. I'll just become a Soc-Dem if I can't. And I'm looking for a genuine answer. While I did hyperbolize, there are certainly people just like that who must know

@Shubhu395

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGWqpcWxl7erpZc.html

@Stupididiot67

6 ай бұрын

you can have videogames and but not anime figures cause thats for losers

this is excellent. keep up the great work, you're one of the best people on here!

Great work as always, we need more Marxists like you

This was so informative thank you!

Hi comrade Hakim Brother I just found your channel last night and I love it especially because of your obvious sincerity and dedication and of course knowledge... I'm from your neighbor country Iran and would really really really appreciate it if I could ask you some of the questions I have regarding Communism plz plz plz tell me how I can contact you whether by email or phone or anything else hope to hear from you soon

thanks for making this video you cleared up my questions on the subject

This made so much sense man. Good job explaining.

thank you for your videos, theyre very informative and well put together

Where on earth can i find that version of the Internationale you use in your backgrounds? Its absolutely beautiful

Left-coms gonna be maaaad. (Great video, comrade ✊)

@Pridetoons

4 жыл бұрын

This video can also be used to explain why China isn't Socialist. 😒

@nader50752

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pridetoons China literally isn't socialist.

@Pridetoons

4 жыл бұрын

@@nader50752 That's exactly what I'm saying.

@Pridetoons

4 жыл бұрын

@Hussein Not until the Chinese Workers take control of their nations economy. The Chinese "Communist" Party is filled with Capitalist.

@Adeptus_Mechanicus

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pridetoons And also millions of ordinary people as well.

Comrade Hakim I'm a newbie to the ML world. Could u please explain how the Soviet Judiciary worked? Thanks

It’s like 2:00 I should be asleep

@B_A-tr

4 жыл бұрын

Sleep well

@pedrosampaio7349

4 жыл бұрын

One cannot aid the revolution when one falls over from sleep; take care, comrade!

@Pridetoons

4 жыл бұрын

5am were I am.

@YaBoiHakim

4 жыл бұрын

Sleep well comrade

@darthjarjarbinkstherealsit6832

3 жыл бұрын

Sleep well.

another great video by comrade hakim!

If you decide to upload these as a podcast, you’ve got your first listener.

Some of this went over my head, I will need to watch it again.

Hey Salam Comrade I was wondering if you would consider make videos on the history of our socialist experiments how they really came about pros and cons etc I hope you Consider My Salams Comrade

Very good video. Simply saying "[insert nation here] didn't adhere PERFECTLY to doctrine" is idiotic. NO country, regardless of ideology, will ever PERFECTLY adhere to that ideology. The welfare programs of capitalist nations don't negate their capitalism, likewise, commodity production in socialist nations don't negate their socialism.

@brendan1871

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, don't be critical for the sake of communism's success or anything. That would be absurd. We should just accept the way things turn out if the state says they are 'socialist' or 'building socialism', even if they are obviously permitting/promoting capitalist relations of production (for the nationalized nation-state itself of course).

Wondering if you can help out a comrade- what are the best books which give a marxist analysis of middle eastern politics/history preferrably relatively modern?

@roryreid307

4 жыл бұрын

*central asia

love your channel homie keep it up

What is the name of that music you use in the background of all your videos?! I really like it!

Oh thank you.

As always, a great explanation!

love them vids homie, keep it up

Can you make a video on how money functions differently under Socialism?

Has Hakim let us know what version of the internationale is playing in the background?

@darthjarjarbinkstherealsit6832

3 жыл бұрын

In Afrikaans.

Comrade, Please make videos on DPRK and Cuba. Very much needed to debunk US propaganda machinary

Great video, it hit all the right spots, explained it concisely, all within dialectical understanding of the concept of commodity production and marxist-leninist framework. (One tiny critique - please speak slower, I have to pause and rewind to fully appreciate your every sentence)

@iswearivefeltthisbefore

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, I had to change the video speed to understand what you were saying at some points

@patricks1333

3 жыл бұрын

This video starts out fine by describing (accurately) what a commodity is. Then it goes and describes "simple commodity production," which exists outside of capitalism, since generalized commodity production is what characterizes capitalism. Then it becomes total dogshit by making the argument that because the USSR only had simple commodity production rather than generalized (Stalin actually says it has generalized, but whatever) it qualifies as socialist; however, this is an argument for it having a *PRE*-capitalist mode of production rather than a post-capitalist one.

Great as always, thanks Comrade

I was actually thinking about this!!!🔥🔥

Where does the images come from?

What is the name of the background music? The singer? I've been looking for a while and I'm not getting anywhere.

@thourayaarfaoui4841

4 жыл бұрын

The internationale in afrikaans

@christiantabares6713

4 жыл бұрын

@@thourayaarfaoui4841 Thank you so much! This song sounds wonderful.

What is your opinion on the youtube channel Secular Jihadists ?

This video just helps understand a whole text of theory.

Is Charles ok?

Very timely- have been seeing lots of young leftists discrediting experiments citing commodity production, and misconstruing socialist concepts.

My brain isn't big enough for this video

Great as always.

Where is Charles????

Ah, it looks like you taught me what a commodity is. Thank you.

by the way, I'm from Khuzestan so I'm very close to you plz plz plz tell me how to contact you

How do you feel about censorship

So... while I agree with just about everything you say in this video, Hakim, I think... in the interests of friendly discussion among comrades... the sort of.. liberal- minded people who say things like "lolz, not real socialism" this seems to be about don't understand the scientific foundation of Marxism. That is, they don't truly look at things dialecticaly, though they sometimes mouth the words. Through Marxism, we prove that the conditions present in a society dictate our ideas, which we in turn apply to society. In Marxism, there's nothing that can't happen in socialism, so long as we've passed the revolutionary moment (or nodal point of qualitative change) and continue that progress (not a counter revolution). So, if commodity production is a particular way of building socialism, provided we've past that nodal point, the economy is rationally planned (so long as this is still the best strategy for moving forward, which I think we all agree it is), no matter how that plan functions, it's over all progressive. Chinese socialism currently makes use of a large private commodity production sector, for example. It is how they've had sooooo much success in creating the conditions that socialism is built in, building up of the productive forces to achieve abundance, etc, right? The - being of the people, etc., and how they avoided a lot of the pitfalls the USSR experienced. So, while I think your video is great and all the points are great and well- explained, when we get down to the foundation, of what Marxism is, they're wrong on that account too. There is no recipe to make a socialism pie, after all. And Marx would have called such a recipe or checklist utopian. We don't work without outside forces effecting the progress of our primary dialectic, either, right? I often tell these types that we would absolutely usher in full communism right away if it were possible. We maintain to the concrete, however. And this is what makes us so successful.

@reddoctorproductions3746

3 жыл бұрын

by this logic, Portugal is socialist since it had a revolution and their constitution says they're moving towards socialism. nevermind the... you know... actual nature of the economy. and factoring in material conditions doesn't mean we get to redefine socialism to whatever we want. tactics may change, I'll give you that, but a socialist society, the end goal, must still have certain features

@Tehz1359

3 жыл бұрын

@@reddoctorproductions3746 Well that's why it's called scientific socialism. Just "socialism" is a very broad and loaded term. There are so many different types, most average people are socialists, just not of the Marxist variety. And this is because, all socialism really is, is when the goal of economic activity is for the good of the nation/people and not for profit(capitalism). I don't know if you are of the Marxist variety, but the commenter is correct in saying that Marx never laid out a recipe for making socialism, and he never fully elaborated on what a socialist society would look like.

@reddoctorproductions3746

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tehz1359 If " all socialism really is, is when the goal of economic activity is for the good of the nation/people and not for profit(capitalism)" the "socialism" is a useless term. Under this definition, Bill Gates would be a socialist. Hell, Adolph Hitler would a be a socialist! No one is gonna say the economy shouldn't function for the good of the people, the question is how we make it so it does. It's true that Marx never laid out a specific blueprint for what socialism would look like (though he does still make some predictions such as in his Critique of the Gotha program). that said, we can look at his criticism of capitalism and, from that, understand what socialism *shouldn't* be, at the very least, and one thing that is definitely incompatible with Marxist socialism is commodity production. The idea that a socialist nation is just any nation that has had a revolution and calls itself socialist is ridiculous. As I said, this would mean modern-day Portugal is a Marxist-Leninist state which. You have to analysis the actual conditions of a nation, it's relations of power and production, to determine how its economy functions. If there's anything Marxism stands for, it's that.

@eddie-roo

2 жыл бұрын

So, the country that has a capitalist economy, an upper class that lives lavish lifestyles at the expense of the common folk, and that commits human rights violations that don’t really seem to be on the people’s best interests is an example of a socialist country just because they had a revolution once and covered themselves with a red coat of paint?

@khrachvikkhrachvik7049

2 жыл бұрын

​@@eddie-roo My friend, I don't think you read what I typed out. Or... maybe didn't try to understand it? It seems like you saw "China" and then went into your own thoughts. Which you can tell anyone. If you'd, instead, like to respond to what I said, that'd be fine. In the interests of being friendly, however - you make some assertions that I don't believe pan out in the real situation. 1. "capitalist economy" - the entire post was centered around why this is a socialist economy. You seem to have forgotten that in your statement, and not said why. A market is not a "capitalist economy", after all. 2. "Upper class" - in Marxism, this is not how we view classes 3. "Expense of the people" - I don't think this is true. If it were, how has the living conditions of the people risen by leaps and bounds? How have they eliminated extreme poverty? How has the real wage quadrupled over the last ten years alone? I wish people would actually pay attention to each other and go back and forth, rather than just shouting assertions past each other.

Can someone post a pink to hakim's discord link

nice content as always

I still can't understand how production will be planned towards use and not exchange without prices !! Can someone explain it for me with an example?

@charlietheron8947

2 жыл бұрын

Well the production will be based off labour time and use value (use value being demand) Paul Cockshott has some wonderful lectures on this topic and details modern socialist planning.

Unpaid allocation of products is precisely why socialism is more efficient and advanced than capitalism. It is why the U.S. economy has not been able to handle covid19.

Will the one true socialism please stand up?

@B_A-tr

4 жыл бұрын

Best comment ever

@noidontlikeu

4 жыл бұрын

Cause I'm real socialism, all the other socialism's are just imitating

@kobemop

4 жыл бұрын

chaz. there you go.

@anti6112

3 жыл бұрын

@@kobemop "Chaz" was not supposed to be a true autonomous zone(that's why it's name was changed from "chaz" to something else), was not socialist, & was not anarchist; It was but a "liberal" attempt at having no police.

@anti6112

3 жыл бұрын

[Decentrally planned socialism with the means of production owned in common, and things not produced as commodities, but instead produced from each according to their ability to each according to their needs(not contribution/not deeds)] achieved via prefigurativist "decentralized dual power structures" of free-association, direct democracy, deliberative discussion, mutual aid, worker councils of recallable delegates|[(simultaneously instantly revocable & temporary) messengers that dictate nothing, merely serving to actualize the (simultaneously consensual & consensus-based) decision-making of the freely-associating inhabitants of a [(non-coercively) formed]-commune]|, et cetera? Not here; Such a true socialist would probably believe hakim's "socialism" to actually still be (what they call "capitalism").

Can you please make a video on the undemocratic dissolution of the USSR

@YaBoiHakim

4 жыл бұрын

Already done. Check my earliest videos.

@NHCVMohammedNawaz

4 жыл бұрын

@@YaBoiHakim ok comrade hakim but an Instagram account of yours is really needed by us to spread your thoughts to a wider audience. I applaud you for you efforts in providing the necessary information for Marxist newcomers like me. 🙏

Why was there no surplus value extraction in the Ussr? Workers still had to generate surplus value to support the non-producing members of society.

@YaBoiHakim

4 жыл бұрын

Generating surplus and surplus extraction through Capitalist exploitation are different things. We have to be very specific with our definitions. With surplus generation, you have two forms of labour: work for oneself, and work for society (as Marx outlined in his critique of the Gotha programme). Watch my video titled "Was the USSR Socialist?" for a better idea of this.

Hell yeah bro you know we produce those commodities all day son

What is opinion on Stalin's analisys of tge dictatorship of the proletariat? He said that it wasn't a mere transitional state but rather an entire period of human history that would even have civil wars ( wars bettween socialist States)

@sellingbagels7913

4 жыл бұрын

Can I have a source for that? This is his take on the DOTP www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/ch04.htm and he quotes Lenins book PRRK saying ""The transition from capitalism to communism, represents an entire historical epoch. Until this epoch has terminated" Marx said "You will have to go through 15, 20, 50 years of civil wars and national struggles not only to bring about a change in society but also to change in society but also to change yourselves, and prepare yourselves for the exercise of political power" However I can't find anything about civil war against Socialist States though

@Gordozinho

4 жыл бұрын

@@sellingbagels7913 I don't remember but i do know he said something of the sort

great work.

I'm pretty new to actually getting in to communist theory, and to be honest I'm pretty confused about the idea of abolishing commodity production. I don't really understand how we can have a world without commodities-- we'll need coats no matter what. Is the idea that we want to abolish the exchange value of a commodity so that things with use value can be distributed regardless of what can be traded for it?

@TrichordoKostas

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, you got it, its the second thing. To eliminate commodity production is not to eliminate production OF commodities, but production FOR commodities. Produced goods would be distributed according to planning, to meet the needs that underly the exchange values themselves.

@TrichordoKostas

3 жыл бұрын

Also - same man, im just getting into this stuff myself since lockdown, its good to see new Marxists helping each other study in times like these.

I know you game, so do I. I've been trying to wrap my.head around how gaming would work in a socialist system. Games, gaming pc parts, consoles all these things are commodities so if we eliminate commodities would these things simply not exist or will they exist under a different label, would the government even invest in making games consoles and gaming pc parts??

@Ajente02

3 жыл бұрын

They could either be planned and alocated through a leisure incentive fund in worker's payment, or collectively/socially owned and used like comunal arcades.

How did y ou learn about socialism? Can you make a video on how to find objective sources without wasting time? Thanks if you do.

@Ajente02

3 жыл бұрын

Start by reading the classics: Engels, Marx, Lenin. The best reliable source is the original source.

@guyoflife

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ajente02 thanks. That's good and all but I want reliable sources to know the history and economic data of past socialism.

@Ajente02

3 жыл бұрын

@@guyoflife Oh, sorry, I thought you were refering to socialist political theory. There are a lot of serious historians like Eric Hobsbawm or Michael Parenti. I'd also recommend to start by watching TheFinnishBolshevik channel, as he has lots of well researched videos with hard data on socialist history (particularly on the USSR), and you could use his sources as a good first step.

@guyoflife

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ajente02 thanks

I love when he does the hello there or hey there intro, DO IT MORE OFTEN!

Dont mind me, contributing to the algorithm

Based video comrade

I don't think the problem is commodity production or surplus extraction. Even in a totally centrally planned economy (before complete abundance and according to ability/according-to-need system) people would be given labour credits for portion of hours worked. This can easily be described as an exchange, i.e. commodity production. Also in this situation surplus would have to be extracted to pay for social labour required to run the state, social services, and investment in future production. I really don't see how you will eliminate a situation that can't be described as commodity production. I would be very much interested in a video about a discussion of how it is possible to eliminate commodity production and why such a system cannot be described as an exchange. In any case, it seems to me that commodity production under socialism, even centrally planned, will go on for a while. If that's true, we can't focus solely on figuring out how to end commodity production but we must also discuss ways to prevent bureaucratisation during commodity production, for example using balanced job complexes. Do you know anyone, particular in ML community, who has written about this?

@Suedocode

4 жыл бұрын

I'm having trouble understanding what a lot of people are saying here. So the example with farms is fine because, much like healthcare, it's a inelastic good; people need food and healthcare to live. Socializing those makes sense. I don't see how this all fits in with luxury goods though. Let's say I make a video game. Is it state owned/run/distributed now? Was I allowed to make the game in the first place? I will need support to run my game (i.e. servers, IT, etc), but without commodity exchange who decides whether or not I receive the necessary infrastructure to be successful? In capitalism, you'd take out a loan, seek investors to start you out, and/or charge for your game so that it can support its own infrastructure. How does this work under socialism/communism (sorry, again not sure which this channel is advocating as I'm new here and don't have all the nuance yet).

@kavabean

4 жыл бұрын

@@Suedocode It's a great question. Re inelastic don't forget housing. If Housing was socially produced/controlled housing costs would plumet drastically, likely to 20% of current rents, consisting only of labour cost of maintenance and required expansion of housing if necessary. The first thing to notice is that if we socialised all production assets and removed profit-taking by capitalists, salaries would roughly double since approx 50% of output goes to small minority (1-2%) of capitalists. With the elimination of rents under socialism people could survive very well working 1/2 time. For example in the USA the average salary is $48,672. So double that. Workers would earn $96k (full time)). If housing was only maintenance cost (e.g. $400 for 1br apt) then even half-time salary would easily pay for your needs. So socialism would make space for such personal projects. Regarding larger investment and production/running costs the society could either choose to allow a secondary market economy based on democratic workplaces, or it could allow democratic allocation of investment funds. The idea would be that you would go to your local county office and apply for investment. There might also be a way for citizens to invest their labour hours in your venture, with some chance of a fixed reward if the community decides to integrate production into the planned output. Some of these ideas are covered in "Towards a New Socialism" by Paul Cockshott but we need much more research into these questions. Making a video game is a great example. Maybe you can email Paul (www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc/) and ask him this question. If you get a reply please post it here.

@michaelsandford9193

4 жыл бұрын

Commodity production is production based on exchanging commodities in a MARKET specifically. And you are conflating 'surplus value' with 'social surplus'. Re: preventing bureaucratisation during socialism, Paul Cockshott co-authored a book called Rethinking Socialism that talks a lot about using computing and different democratic forms to help fight against beauracracy and the money system in a socialist system so that might be worth checking out if you're interested.

@Suedocode

4 жыл бұрын

@@kavabean Housing is a great example too. As society progresses, houses get more features (plumming->electricity->internet->fiber->smart homes->etc...). While determining what parts of housing are necessary is probably not that hard, that determination changes over time. This means new houses are built with more value than previous ones. Are older houses grandfathered in somehow with additional credits to make up the difference in some way? Maybe some kind of recurring renovation eligibility? I'd also be worried about this system causing wide-spread rampant cookie cutter houses (it's the cheapest way to make decent houses en masse, but it makes neighborhoods looks extremely monotonous), but it's not like capitalism is preventing that in any way either (cities often usher in developers for cheap residential expansions like in Austin). "The first thing to notice is that if we socialised all production assets and removed profit-taking by capitalists, salaries would roughly double since approx 50% of output goes to small minority (1-2%) of capitalists." That seems like an extremely optimistic oversimplification imo. "The idea would be that you would go to your local county office and apply for investment." I don't think putting a few people in charge of deciding which projects go forward is a good idea. This would need some Kickstarter-esque system, but Kickstarter is also a great example of how crappy/scam ideas can still get a lot of traction. By socializing the risks involved in starting a venture, you also socialize poor decisions in a way. Is there a better way? "There might also be a way for citizens to invest their labour hours in your venture, with some chance of a fixed reward if the community decides to integrate production into the planned output." What does "invest their labor hours" mean? Is it not just a currency like any other? That link you posted 404's for me. I am in the US if it matters.

@Ajente02

3 жыл бұрын

@@Suedocode About housing: I think it should be established a standard for housing quality; any building below such standard would be subject to remodelation in future economic plans, and any building over such standard should be taxed a small ammount to pay for the remodelation program previously mentioned. About investment in luxury entrepreneurism: you said you _"don't think putting a few people in charge of deciding hich projects go forward is a good idea"_... nonetheless, the current system works exactly like that. Investors in gaming aren't a lot of people, financial capitalists (bankers, stock inverstors, etc) are a tiny minority of the population. In the proposed socialist scheme, however, democratic participation in the process of investment allocation is an important step which the current system doesn't have, and which guarantees that luxury goods produced satisfy the best interests of the community in which are created (that basically means, in the particular case of videogames, a more direct control in gamer communities deciding which games are made and which characteristics should that games have to qualify for funding). About investment in labour hours, it could be either the virtual acounting unit proposed by Cockshott (equivalent to Proudhon's labour credits, Owen's labour vouchers or Marx's labour certificates), or directly actual work time spent on the project somehow as a collaborator. As the former refer just to a representation of abstract labour, they're technically the same for economic purposes. However, labour credits/vouchers/certificates aren't currency, as they don't circulate (they're destroyed at use) and can't be used to buy means of production, just means of consumption. About the contact with Paul Cockshott, he has a KZread channel and is actually quite engaged with his userbase, always reads the comments (he has responded me on numerous occasions). You could start there.

"Market Socialism" relies on Commodity Production.

@technicallythecenteroftheu1349

4 жыл бұрын

**YES**

@sksmasine8412

4 жыл бұрын

It's almost as if market "socialism" is just capitalism.

@anschauung5129

4 жыл бұрын

​@@sksmasine8412 name a single socialist nation that abolished market

@sksmasine8412

4 жыл бұрын

@@anschauung5129 There hasn't been a single socialist nation.

@anschauung5129

4 жыл бұрын

​@@sksmasine8412 Yes, there have been and some of them still exist as of today. Socialism is not an impracticable idealized system that only exists in your head.

Lmao got an Epoch Times ad for this vid.

Great video

Hakim My Son

a very helpful breakdown, hopefully this will help other marxists who have the trouble understanding this subject and concept and labeling things as "not real socialism" will definitely point those xexizy's to this video when i am on the recieving end of this argument :)

Great

It can.

This is one of the things that boggles the mind, we're taught in Hamerica that capitalism is "the free market", despite this being an incorrect definition of capitalism. A free market can exist under socialism, and communism. Free Markets, also existed under feudalism, and slave based economies. Free Markets existed even when we only had a barter system of economics. They don't want us to realize that capitalism, is better defined interpersonally, as the employer-employee relationship. There is a vast difference in negotiating power between the minority employers aka capitalists, and the majority which are the employees. A worker co-op would be a better way to organize production, under a socialist, capitalist, or communist economic system.

The simple answer; there is no commodity production in socialism. Like you realize Marx pointed out you can have a capitalist economy with no one personally owning capital right? Like the estrangement of labor from itself via wage is cornerstone of capitalist economics. And regardless of the form of organization of the reproduction of capital it remains capitalist production. So were Soviet citizens paid in wages? Yes, yes they were. The ussr left and she’s not coming back, it’s time let her go. Something new will probably come, but no one outside of MLs and Russian nationalists really gives a fuck about the USSR. The here and now of things matter more than the internal functionings of a nation that no longer exists.

@i.theworstguys298

4 жыл бұрын

Is everything okay at home Jeffrey?

@jakekaywell5972

Жыл бұрын

Given that the USSR was both the first and the most successful socialist state to date, its blueprint is a fundamental thing to consider for any future projects.

Soooo can I get rich yes or no?

look i love the idea of comunisum but i have one question in a comunist state would i sill have the right to buy stuff like a powerful computer or video games. or would that stuff just not exist so basically would i still work for a wage that i am free to speed how i want and on things like hobbies

@thanos8638

2 жыл бұрын

Why wouldn't there be computers or games?

@FBI_Master

2 жыл бұрын

@@thanos8638 because I don't see the state being capable of being creative or innovative I see them more as "well they are alive we did our job"

@thanos8638

2 жыл бұрын

@@FBI_Master whom does the state comprise of?

@FBI_Master

2 жыл бұрын

@@thanos8638bureaucrats who love red tape and politicians who need to be liked by all to keep power

@thanos8638

2 жыл бұрын

@@FBI_Master so idealistic

Leftcoms shaking rn.

@radicalfraction8570

4 жыл бұрын

nah

@kobemop

4 жыл бұрын

Well, yes there's work involve in creating socialism and it's a build-up towards communism.

I think it's capitalism and inequality, not commodity production itself that's the problem

You should check out new COD trailer，bro. ok, I'm Chinese, and communist. There's a real danger here. In the past two years, American Entertainment industry have begun to bring up ideological conflict again. If you are really in China, you will know that our media does see America as an imaginary enemy, but NEVER because of ideological conflict, it's always been about more specific issues. It's normal that there is conflicts between our countries and it is okay we hate each other. But if the reason why we hate each other is not because of specific problems, but because of ideological conflict, it is very dangerous. Because when you look at me in this way, you are no longer looking at a person, but a communist, an aberration, even nonhuman，and we can do everything bad in this way, just like what we did in the cold war and World War. We should keep eyes on our own government in case them bringing this kind of conflict back. This is the reason why I hate new COD trailer， not because there is some video of Tiananmen Square in 1989. I don't care about this. It's because this is not a warning danger trailer，It's a cause danger trailer. Video games shouldn't become this stuff --“ tool to cause conflicts". Video game should unite us and eliminate prejudice and this trailer does the opposite. These things in trailer are exactly what we think the United States has done to Eastern European, Asian and African , and exactly what a lot of chinese thinks Americans are doing in Hong Kong. Looking at those comments, like this trailer humiliated the Communists and exposed some conspiracy. Come on, for the third world countries, this is just what the United States and the Soviet Union have done in the past. This is a consensus, not a secret. I'm surprised that Americans really don't think they're doing the same thing as the Soviet Union in cold war. And for many Southeast Asian countries, this is what we China has done in the past. Yes, we've all done it, and the Americans are the same, but look at what cod trailer is about. America is just a simple victim. It's a very dangerous signal. The real danger is that some people want to use such things to provoke new ideological conflicts. I hope that there is noone behind the developers of COD, but watch out these changes in entertainment industry, my friends. It will cause great disaster. And believe me, today's United States cannot be the same as it used to be in WW2 , local people are hold a beauty pageant when whole world is at war. we will all fall into disaster. I have played cod when I was in junior high school. I can ignore the evil portrayal of Russia and China in COD and battlefield . But this time, this is really dangerous. Keep eyes on this shit . I apologize for I sent this same comment under different video，I feel fear about these changes in US Entertainment industry. To be honest, it makes me feel like America is really on the decline because some one have to use ideological conflict to transfer domestic contradictions. This is not what the United States would have done 10 years before.

[Hook] Leftcoms mad (x24)

What about private property not on production level but on personal level i.e ownership of one's house or one's car which is made by the state and other examples?

@Ajente02

3 жыл бұрын

That's called personal property, not private property. Marx makes a distinction between ownership of means of consumption (like houses or cars, which he calls personal property) and means of production (like factories or machinery, which he calls private property).

Faith in socialism

Marketism- Leninism.

Why is commodity production problematic?

@Ajente02

3 жыл бұрын

For a number of reasons: 1) Inherent instability of market fluctuations (boom and bust cycles). 2) Commodities are produced for their exchange values, not their use values. 3) It tends inherently to accumulation of wealth because of market mechanisms. You can see more of that in the video _"Limits of market socialism"_ by brittish Marxist economist Paul Cockshott.

@ionezgb

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ajente02 Thanks for the explanation.

Hi, comrade. There's another communist on Instagram who asked how the USSR could have been a workers' state if managers got paid more, and could hire and fire. How would you personally respond?

@Ajente02

3 жыл бұрын

Managers are still workers, their income is still mediated by the same mechanism of every other worker (a salary, democratically determined and proportional to their hours of work). Whether they were paid more or not isn't an issue in socialism (as long as the difference isn't big enough to accumulate). About work allocation (through "hiring" and "firing") in historical workers' states, staff turnover was relatively common in socialist firms because there wasn't any living threat if you were unemployed for a couple of weeks, as: - There were always more positions available (labour demand) than unemployed people (labour supply); economy was always at full employment, there wasn't a "reserve army of labour" threatening workers if they choose to work elsewhere. - The state guarantees you the bare minimum for survival (housing, transport, water, electricity, healthcare, education) for free or heavily subsidized, so even if you didn't get work for a couple of weeks (pretty improbable because of the later point) you still could live well. - Managers were elected by the workers, or by their direct representatives in the factory comitees, labour unions or soviets (or a mix of all of them), and they were revocable, so there was a direct interest in managers to keep workers satisfied in order to keep their positions. So, normally, managers "competed" between firms to get the best conditions for their own workers, making the staff turnover even bigger. So, basically, "hiring" and "firing" didn't have any meaningful effect.

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@ab_khanayy

4 жыл бұрын

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@nikhils2447

4 жыл бұрын

I miss him already

@ab_khanayy

4 жыл бұрын

@Hussein I saw him lol