Real man will just shut up and break the record. Caitlin Clark did it her own way. Plus double the assist. Deal with it. Appreciate the greatness. Man or woman.

Maravich had 1 less season but Clark took 600 fewer shots. Let's just say she loses 503 points from shots from beyond the 3 point line and we give her an extra 600 shots worth 2 points at 46.6% which is what her shooting % is, then she would get an additional 560 points with several games left this season. Both players are great and it's crazy to immediatly dismiss one or the other

One other point to note, Rachel, is that many schools experienced sell-out crowds due to the skill levels of both Pete Maravich and Caitlin Clark. Even though it might be debatable as to who is the better player of the two, I enjoyed watching "Pistol Pete" back in the day and I am currently enjoying watching Caitlin Clark. They are both treasured moments.

The SEC was basically still segregated in Pistol Pete's era! Dunking was still banned. Caitlin broke the record with 600 fewer shots too.

@rademita

3 ай бұрын

This is facts! Pete’s era was definitely much different and he didn’t play against all the top teams and/or players. Caitlin also averaged more assists and rebounds!

@ron88303

3 ай бұрын

But they were still men. The fact is, men and women's sports such as basketball, volleyball, and soccer are completely different levels of play. If they weren't they would simply lump the players all together in one coed league. How do you think that would turn out for the women? To say Caitlin is the greatest scorer among the men is only valid if she competed with the men. This is not to discredit her accomplishment; she's a great player and should receive recognition. But crossover comparisons between men and women's sports simply are not valid. And deep down you already know that.

@janehartsock7398

3 ай бұрын

@@marcdaddy33good points. I really do think it’s because she’s a woman. If it was a man I doubt we’d hear all of this like you noted in you’re examples. But because it’s a woman it’s negated because women are less than men. I really think all this rancor is because of fragile male egos.

@jmikew1

3 ай бұрын

Pistol Pete shot around 40 shots per game, verses Catlin's 20 shots a game.

@bradclifton5248

3 ай бұрын

​@@ron88303true but, we call it ALL TIME so, that means what it says. Typically men hold most of these types of records over women. Therefore, this all time record now happens to be held by a women. This makes it more impressive.

OK, yes Pete did do it in 3 years but he took more than 2 times the shots per game as Caitlin. If you look at his points per attempt he was 1.1, she is 1.4, but that does include 3 pointers made and if you factor those out she is 1.2. For three years she has led the NCAA Women in Points per game, assists and 3 pointers made. How can you discredit her. 3,600 plus points, 1,000 plus assists and 900 plus rebounds. No man or women has ever done that. I love Pistol Pete, he was outstanding and many of the pro legends today learned from him ball handling skills. But Caitlin is for sure on the same level.

@skylermummert24

3 ай бұрын

Not same, Pete’s dad was the coach Pete shot 40 Times a game, you know daddy told his teammates to late petey shoot

@davidd5712

3 ай бұрын

I’m missing your point

I love Caitlin! The GOAT!🐐 ❤🎉

Some men are angry about Catlin breaking Pete's record. As it was pointed out to me when Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruth's home run record, there was the same anger, only Catlin is a girl. Some records are not supposed to be broken. Pete and Catlin are both excellent, so let's enjoy both.

You nailed it, Rachel. Love this .......especially since Caitlin grew up with two brothers and many male cousins she understands that these are two different games. She's made the point that men are bigger, stronger, and quicker but that the women's game is fun too. I agree and so did John Wooden ... “A more pure version of the sport”...I'd add a pure game played below the rim. Jim Boeheim has recently said, "he prefers watching Caitlin Clark to anyone right now" .... Someone else said, "the women need to lower the rim to 9 foot so they can dunk". What a disaster that would be ...if anything....raise the men's to eleven feet. Getting tired of basketball played above the rim ....women's game has a real beauty to it ...watch Caitlin pass!

@rademita

3 ай бұрын

100%!!! Women’s game is awesome and I’m excited to see it continue to grow!

@iinspireNP

3 ай бұрын

​@@rademita title NCAA but says "women" a lot in the video. Just note NCAA took over AAIW the original women basketball organization before they was disbanded by NCAA, and if you gonna be saying "WOMEN" in your video debate, then she still hasnt beating the scoring title. Look up pearl moore, SMFH

@zt1053

3 ай бұрын

@@marcdaddy33 and it’s a big jump to compare women’s basketball to men’s basketball

Good video Rachel, Absolutely loved what you had to say about this topic and I absolutely agree 💯

@rademita

3 ай бұрын

thank you so much!

Hi rachel another amazing vid showing much love always

@rademita

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

@LegendaryQuinn301

3 ай бұрын

@@rademita anytime 🙂

What’s crazy is people trying to compare these two players when it’s different divisions

I LIke them both. Leave it at that. It really is like comparing apples and oranges. And I like apples and oranges the same. Enough said. Maravich is cheering her on as we speak.

It's not an either or thing. Two amazing players from different eras. It's been a ton of fun to watch Clark play and I'm sure the same could be said for Pete.

I’m for sure giving Caitlin her flowers without comparing or taking away from Pistol Pete’s college career. The two don’t even remotely compare in the style of the play and competition/skill gap of today’s game versus in his day. So all in all, Caitlin should be crowned and headlined without a comparison to any past male/female player, she is a new breed and she’s absolutely killin’ it out there 🙌🏼🔥

@rademita

3 ай бұрын

she’s such an icon and I can’t wait to see the next chapter in her career!! 👑

@foh_gg

3 ай бұрын

@@rademita agreed, she’s definitely a generational talent 🤩🤩

Shawn Johnson (Olympic gymnastics gold medalist icon - - as well as Dancing with the Stars winner) is from Caitlin's home city ....West Des Moines ..... how cool is that? Two super-novas from the same small city .... yeah, impressive!

This debate is wild and has gotten out of hand. Caitlin deserves her flowers, but you cannot diminish what "Pistol" Pete Maravich accomplished during his college and professional careers. In fact, in 1977, he was the NBA scoring leader with 31.1 ppg, and in that same year, he put up 68 points (and 6 assists, 60% FG) against a Knicks team that had Hall of Famers like Bob McAdoo, Earl "The Pearl" Monroe, and Walt Frazier, who guarded Pete much of that game. That 68 points-without a three-point line-was the most points ever scored by a NBA guard up until that time. Speaking of the three-point line: The three-point line was not introduced to the NBA until the 1979-1980 season. By that time Pete was stricken with horrible knees, and was a mere shell of his former self. However, during that season Pete shot 10/15 or 66.7% from behind the arc. Now, granted that is a very small sample size, but it shows that Pete could definitely shoot from deep. Also, his college free throw percentage was fairly low, but his NBA free throw percentage was 82%, so not bad. Pistol Pete's college career is definitely marked by astericks, but if you look at how well he played in the NBA, you cannot say his college stats are a fluke. He shot at a high volume because he HAD to in order for his team to win. He and his father, Press, greatly improved the LSU Tiger men's basketball program from being an afterthought, to being formidable. Just look at LSU's records before Pete arrived, and how they improved with Pete on the team. Moving on to the phenom, Caitlin Clark: She is a basketball savant and she deserves to be compared to Maravich. Even Jaeson Maravich, Pete's son, has declared that she plays similar to his father and that she is excellent. I have watched a bunch of her games and highlights over the last week, and am simply floored by her quick shooting release, shooting accuracy from beyond the arc, court awareness and team play. She does have more turnovers per game than I thought she would, but that is at least partially because she looks to pass when she ceates "gravity" (defensive team attention) from defenders from the opposing team. She's a force. I am definitely interested in seeing how she fares in the WNBA, when she'll be targeted by the likes of Chelsea Gray and Kahleah Cooper. Let's see how she handles the WNBA defense. It is going to be fascinating to see. Sorry so long: I just have a lot of opinions about this. Bottom line: Clark should be as respected as Maravich for playing so well in her respective basketball league. She's stellar.

Also John Pierce is the all time scorer if you look at all divisions of college basketball. Who? Exactly.

@renovo56

3 ай бұрын

What about Fred "stinky Fieldman", who scored 6,885 points for Ken Curtis junior collage from 1953 to 1957.

OK so a couple of add ons for history purposes: pistol Pete played in a segregated team and back then they separated black and white players and that was all white league. And back then woman played 6 on 6 and didn't run the courts, 3 players stayed offensive and 3 players stayed on defense. I don't know the exact rules of their game back then but it was way different game and times.

@patisaacs9611

3 ай бұрын

PISTOL PETE also enjoyed GREATNESS at the NBA level as well. Being good at something is because you worked at it

why people say man or women just aprciate a once in a lifetime player

It seems that due to the vast changes in the NCAA CBB game since Pete played it might make sense to retire Pete's accomplishments, acknowledge him as the best point scorer of his era and restart the counting of points in the new era when freshman and the 3 point line is in play. Also, I haven't seen any comments mentioning if these same Pete comparisons would come up if a man surpassed his numbers. What you would have to do is not count any freshman points and only count 2 points for every made 3 point shot and then see if anyone surpasses Pete. But even then it wouldn't be apples to apples. If you want current players to strive for the record then make the process for doing it more reasonable.

Pete, as great as he was, never played in post conference NCAA.

@BrianKiddDevDesign

3 ай бұрын

actually, he did play in the NIT Tournament in 1970 and they made it to the tournament's Final Four. They lost to the eventually champ, Marquette though.

@isrisentoday

3 ай бұрын

@@BrianKiddDevDesign Indeed. NIT is basically for those that did not make it to the annual NCAA. It is really a pity that we would never see how Pete would perform in the March Madness tourney. Both he and CC are virtually one-man armies. CC was able to take her team to the Finals last year. I hope CC would get her NCAA crown this year. That just might finally slam the final nail in the coffin of the argument that CC's record is still inferior to Pete's.

She put the work in and totally deserves it.

The problem is it makes no sense cos Pete still owns the men’s division record no matter how you look at it. They never lump it together

CC is amazing and deserves the attention she is getting. This said, I can’t see an argument for her as GOAT (ie greatest women’s college player of all time) because she lacks a championship. I recognize it’s a team sport, but to be a goat she needs at least one championship doesn’t she? Guess it depends on how much value you place on the scoring title. She is for sure the greatest scorer in women’s college BB history, no debate there. But no ring, no goat.

Yes! Because Pete’s scoring record will not be broken by a man.

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@rademita

3 ай бұрын

uwian na!

@kennethjuliusjimeno6825

3 ай бұрын

@@rademita thank you so much Rachel thank you so much drei💪💪💪💪💪🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭we support you wherever you are ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Here is the information that nobody talks about. An LSU staffer went back and watched all of Pete’s games and determined that if he had a 3 point line he would have scored 54 points per game on 38 shots. With Clark’s career points/shot if she had shot 38 times per game she would have scored….drum roll….54 points per game. They are statistically the same as far as shooting as much as they can be examined. You can’t change the ball size, you can’t change the shot clock, it’s men vs men and women vs women. Clark also is a career 8/8 rebounds/assists to Pete’s 5/5. Clarks FG % is greater at 48 to Pete’s 44%. Clark also plays against the best competition in the country, Pete played in the SEC when it was segregated. There may have been one or two African Americans but those playing weren’t there based on skill or we all know those teams would have been 1/2 to 3/4 African Americans in the south. Just look at college basketball and the WNBA and NBA today. To me Clark and Pete are equals. They both deserve to be mentioned together, they were both amazing scorers. No one else comes close to being in that discussion.

@BrianKiddDevDesign

3 ай бұрын

YES! Thanks for pointing this out. They are so similar it is scary. But Clark's shooting percentage was 46.5, and Pete's was 43.8. so about a 2.7% difference.

@Fyfh8

3 ай бұрын

@@BrianKiddDevDesign I thought that I’d read 48, maybe that was just one of her seasons.

@alansnow1129

3 ай бұрын

Still problem is even if Clark took 38 shots a game. Still don’t know definitely her percentage so still don’t know if she would have scored 54 a game. Pete definitely would have scored 54 a game though cos of 3 counting. pete is a sg. she is pg. thats why she had more assists too and less shots too. amount of shits dont matter. pete playing less games does matter though

@Fyfh8

3 ай бұрын

@@alansnow1129 I do know. It’s simple math. Take her points per game and her shots per game the divide the 38 and her 20 shots and then multiple it by her career averages.

@Fyfh8

3 ай бұрын

@@alansnow1129 it is laughable the lengths people want to go to to pump up Pete. Shots don’t matter? Do your stance is if I shoot 200 shots per game and score 50 points per game in the greatest scorer ever. Is that your take?

"the lack of integration in the SEC during Pete's college days. The SEC was one of if not the slowest conference to fully racially integrate" So when I saw this - it explained alot to me. Pistol Pete only averaged 24.2 points and 5.4 assists per contest in the NBA , which is great but ....yeah.

@ron88303

3 ай бұрын

But we're not discussing the NBA. The fact is, men and women's sports such as basketball, volleyball, and soccer are completely different levels of play. If they weren't they would simply lump the players all together in one coed league. How do you think that would turn out for the women? To say Caitlin is the greatest scorer among the men is only valid if she competed with the men. This is not to discredit her accomplishment; she's a great player and should receive recognition. But crossover comparisons between men and women's sports simply are not valid.

@johnstewart9166

3 ай бұрын

In college the team was built around the talent of Pete. In the pros there were 5 teammates who all thought they were 20ppg scorers.

@zt1053

3 ай бұрын

@@johnstewart9166 Larry Bird averaged less in the pro than he did in college. Big difference was he had much better quality teammates on the Celtics than he did at Indiana State. Same goes for Pete with LSU and the teams he played for in the NBA.

She deserves everything It’s a record And it’s her we watch. Please don’t compare stats it’s apples and oranges. You might as well compare this to touchdowns. And div s 2 ,3 , 4 are not included in the mix

Nick Van Exel the Goat 🐐!!!!

Clark will raise the record higher and stop comparing men and women's basketball......Clark is not about the points but the impact she has in the younger people and she has a lot more to give to the sport....I will not be surprised in the next seasons see a new Clark or Moore or Bird

Dylan love ❤ she’s a goat

I'm gonna tell my kids RAD won the scoring title!!! Seriously though college still has some of that high school feeI. Pro records are hard to compare cause the styles and competition is so different. For college I like that a young lady has come along and set the bar for ANYONE. Doesn't matter if it's mens/womens. If they dont like it go break the record?

Yes. She beat the number. That's the only criterion.

Maravich took 38 shots a game and his percentage was shit. The definition of a ball-hogging chucker

She owns the female scoring title, but it should be considered separate from the men’s scoring title because men and women’s basketball is different. I don’t think there is an official combined category in NCAA records. Comparing Clark scoring more points than pistol. Pete is like comparing a minor-league hitter hitting more home runs in a player in the majors.

I'm watching basketball ball again for the first time since since the early 2000 because it got boring I'm talking about the men's basketball. I will watch Caitlin Clark every time but not the NBA

I think it is unfair to compare women's sports and men's sports, whether in basketball or others, and this comparison is very harmful in my opinion on women's sports

@rademita

3 ай бұрын

I don’t think it’s harmful if we can be realistic about the expectations on both sides. And are able to recognize that there are fundamental physiological differences between men and women which will always affect how the game is played!

This matters a little bit confusing. To my mind she has the all time point scoring record on the women's side and he has it on the men's. Maybe for the first time the women's record is actually better than the men's. But they're still separate. She does have the overall record but he still has the men's record. The men's record is never going anywhere. The NBA pays too well for any great player to do the full four years. So even with a three-point line, Pete records not getting broken by another man. She was eligible to come back for a fifth year. I really believe that one of the main reasons she didn't is because it would tarnish her records. Her greatness is undeniable. However, the last few years has taught me anything. It's that men's and women's sports are separate but equal. Men don't belong in women's sports and women don't belong in men's sports.

Why you are right technically that pierce stands at 4,230 points Travis Grant bio it is showing Pierce at 4239 points and we say where Pearl more is not the all-time leader she did play out of Francis Marion University which is a small college named after a general Francis Marion but she played in small colleges against larger colleges to at the higher rankings I've done my research I've also watched paramore's autobiography that was done and we showing recently so there might be other women I don't know about that butt call Mom still stands by Bob King Clark at 4061 point's and Grant has 4,045 points she could beat him only if she plays her fifth year but everything that she's done for kitten Clark up to this point she owns it all absolutely it's not what I'm talking about I'm talking about what everybody comes out and Clark's got the record and all of college history that's be literal actual facts includes the NAIA PLUS THE AIAW LEGS NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE SMALL COLLEGES OR LARGE COLLEGES WHICH PEARL MOORE PLAYED IN BOTH WHILE SHE'S PLAYING ON FRANCIS MARION UNIVERSITY 1975 TO 1979 YOU MIGHT BE A YOUNG LADY I'M 65 YEARS OLD AND I WATCH LYNETTE WOODWARD PEARL MOORE DURING THERE COLLEGE YEARS AND I'M ALWAYS REALLY DUMBFOUNDEAD HOW EVERYBODY EVEN YOU YOUNGSTERS TO KEEP HAVING A DOUBLE OPINION THAT THESE OTHER LADIES IN A SMALL COLLEGES DON'T MATTER EVEN WITH THE RECORDS WHY ARE YOU BEING SUCH A BLASPHEMER AGAINST THESE OTHER LADIES IN COLLEGE WHATEVER THEY'RE IN A JUNIOR COLLEGE SMALL COLLEGE EVEN THOUGH THEY PLAY AGAINST THE TOP COLLEGES IN THE COUNTRY BUT BECAUSE THEY PLAYED IN THAT FORMER LEAGUE AND YOU'RE A WOMAN YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM THEIR JUST REWARD HOW RACIST ARE YOU REALLY BEING WATCHER AUTOBIOGRAPHY DIAL TELL YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT PEARL MOORE TRUE LEGACY FROM HIGH SCHOOL HOURS TO COLLEGE SO I KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT THIS THAN YOU EVER WILL GIRL CUZ I WAS THERE LIVED IT WASHED IT OFF OF ALL THESE PEOPLE PLAYING COLLEGE BASKETBALL

Did she score more points?

So many records in so many sports are not comparable for so many reasons. Different era’s are one big reason in basketball, including just men, like Bill Russell vs Kareem vs MJ vs LJ. 👌😎 Who, however has EVER had records compared in a sport by both genders? Reply to me where I am mistaken. Wait, I know… Mud wrestling. 😂🙃🤣 Now, joking aside, doesn’t matter, which is my point, CC is making Women’s basketball exciting, relevant, and might just bring the WNBA to relevance. Other players will need to help with this going forward, Ju Ju when she is ready, and yeah, yeah, I am aware of Angel Reese, awesome player but does not move the must watch needle for me. JP

Lol, the number of excuses mankind will make is LIMITLESS !

So no modern player can hold the title because they didn’t play in the 60’s? Makes sense

Can’t believe she’s also a golfer

Pete’s competition level was much higher. Caitlyn league is the globetrotters playing the green team. The true measure of a person is leading the team to win

@user-eq4ym2rm5f

3 ай бұрын

wrong

of course she does.there's. I issue on the women's side 4 years. unlike. some said who seems jealous and a few other things. as for the Pistol. he had no 3 point. and played only 3 years. so that's a stretch. but ladies she slammed it home.

@user-eq4ym2rm5f

3 ай бұрын

Pete also in those three year still today has 600 more shot attempts.

SUCCESS CREATES MIGRAINES.

Are people really saying she doesn’t deserve it or did they just point it out as a factual statement and leave it alone? Cuz I was watching Gilbert Arenas podcast and they basically said the wnba needs to be ready to put Caitlin in a really good big market if they want to maximize her marketability for the entire league and that while she beat Pistol Pete’s record, he took 3 years and he didn’t have a counted 3 point line in his day. Then new topic. But I will say it is more impressive that Pete did what he did if only because his record was set in 3 yrs of college play rather than 4. I really hope they get Caitlin lots of exposure alone with the rest of the upcoming draft picks. It can really boost the wnba from a marketing standpoint. Fingers crossed the wnba won’t try to change how some of these newbies play the game. They got some serious swag to their games and could seriously help expand the WNBA viewership. Doesn’t mean dunking more wouldn’t help also tbf. The new class only can improve so much. Just like the NBA evolved many times,so must the wnba game. Regardless of if anybody likes it. They should really do something because ncaaw gets hells views, yet it doesn’t translate to the WNBA for whatever reason. but that’s on them to decide how they go about it. Any suggestions should be appreciated and not taken as a dig at the entire league.

@rademita

3 ай бұрын

I agree that Pete’s record is insanely impressive.. but at the same time we shouldn’t take praise away from what Caitlin has done and continues to do in basketball! IMO the WNBA is still a young game and will continue to grow in time as more superstars come into the spotlight. Caitlin is a great example of how one player can raise the ceiling of viewership and ticket sales. Time will tell!

Florida mansion More... Pearl Moore look up her autobiography about her internet autobiography they show a stat sheet of several of the top college basketball all-time point Danny's People's college years granite sunrise from the NCAA League can someone was from the AIAW LEAGUE PLUS TRAVIS GRANT IN THE LEAGUE OF NAIA BUT IN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY ON PEARL MOORE THIS SHEET OF ALL-TIME LEAGUE POINTS SUMMER MEN SOMEONE WOMEN all the records at Kelly Clark has broke including pistol Pete's record in this chart sheet Travis Grant is in above pistol Pete's all-time record and pearl Moore is above Travis Grant and this sheet chart all-time players total points look it up instead of telling me I am rong

pearl moore

Well let me tell you look up everybody stats that I know of starting with Travis Grant and Pearl Moore so don't tell me I didn't look up my stuff let me tell you also I have cerebral palsy and yet I don't go telling everybody that this person is the all-time leader when you don't check the actual facts yourself I do besides I remember watching Travis Grant journeys 1972 through 1976 college games plus Pearl more college games from 1975 to 1979 Plus Lynette Woodward's from 1977 to 19781 so I know the records I looked up their workers to verify my when I remember so don't tell me I'm wrong yes Grant is not listed in the all-time leader in the NCAA League but he is mentioned in it and Lynette Woodward imperial Moore both played in the aiaw league and yes Travis Grant played in the in the NAIA LEAGUE

1. Pete shot 600 more shots, 2. Pete’s dad was the coach so hes probably ball hawking, 3. He shot 40 times a game. 4. Clark leads big ten womens in assists and I think 5-6 all time. Pete was a ball hog

Against women, not men

Also the negativity comes with the job. I.e Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Allen Iverson, Charles Barkley, Kareem Abdul Jabber, and so on. It’s always a comparison between it man to man or woman to woman or even man to woman and vice versa. Whoever record was beat will be compared regardless. Critics compared Kareem to Lebron and continue to compare Lebron to Jordan. Can’t really be mad at it if you are that person. They still have to show your name in the record books

@rademita

3 ай бұрын

Good point!

There is one more thing I want to say I saw this on KZread for a young lady was giving a full interview to Pearl Moore and in this video of this interview where are this young lady interviewing Pearl Moore she says how about kitten Clark mentioning you in your record that you achieved can you tell me young lady if Caitlin Clark can do this for Pearl more acknowledging her accomplishments with her 4,061 points so I'm saying is why are you going against Caitlin Clark and what she's doing for Pearl Moore and you won't do it is it because you're being a little racist against Pearl more just because she played in a small college even though she's playing against bigger and larger colleges in her career I guess that Caitlin Clark acknowledges her this seems pretty racist to me and you won't pretty funny for a woman yourself that the grace of Caitlin Clark is more than your own touche touche too bad for you young lady

Great job Rachel, thanks for covering Clark vs Maravich/Moore. I have more data to supplement what you said, and I'll present it along with my best points regarding these topics; sorry in advance for the very long post... For the Pete comparison, the best thing to do is to try to even out the conditions for as fair a comparison as possible, so we're getting into hypotheticals. There's 2 main factors to account for, and then one alternative scenario and one caveat: 1. You touched upon Dale Brown's shot chart analysis where he applied a 3-pt line and came up with Pete's hypothetical 57.0 ppg. However, it was done with the old 19' 9" 3-pt line rather than the 22' 1.75" line, plus his method in no way accounts for the fact that defenses would've guarded Pete better from those distances if they actually had a scoring line that was worth 50% more points, rather than Pete being open way out there a lot of times shooting very 'long 2s' with no 3-pt line to defend. Thus, Pete would've definitely averaged less than 57 ppg, but we don't know by how much. 2. For a more fair comparison, we also have to give Clark Pete's shot attempts. You alluded to his outrageous 38.1 shots/game, vs Clark's 19.9. That's a 1.915 multiplier we would need to apply to her career points then divide by career games assuming the same shot %s (which may not stay exactly the same irl), which would result in 54.3 ppg. Then to really be fair, we would wipe out her freshman year, since Pete also couldn't play varsity his freshman year, and then the calculation ticks up to 55.3 ppg. I'm not including all the math bc this is already too long, but anyone can reproduce these numbers. Bottom line is that Clark's hypothetical 55.3 or 54.3 ppg would be just as dominant vs her competition if not more so than Pete's hypothetical 57.0 ppg with a shorter 3-pt line vs his competition. This should at least show that Clark is worthy of being in the same conversation as Pete in terms of scoring. And that's not even getting to assists, rebounds, and shot efficiency comparisons, which you covered nicely. The alternative scenario to giving Pete the 3 would be to take away Clark's 3-pt line instead: That's tougher to calculate, but what must be considered is that she would then be shooting a lot more free throws (currently, Pete's career FT attempts is double of hers) and her FT% is much better than his as you said. Also, her FG% is better as you said, but consider that with no 3s, we should use her 2-pt FG%, which is a much better 55.4%. So given Clark's much better shooting efficiency than Pete's, it wouldn't even be close if Clark took as many shots has Pete did. She would way outpace his scoring without the 3. Now the caveat, which is still an notable factor is to consider: the lack of integration in the SEC during Pete's college days. The SEC was one of if not the slowest conference to fully racially integrate, and here's how many (few) black players were on SEC teams during Pete's LSU years: - sophomore year: 2 on Vanderbilt - junior year: 2 on Vanderbilt, 1 on Auburn - senior year: 2 on Vanderbilt, 1 on Auburn, 1 on Alabama, 1 on Georgia Note that it isn't clear if all of those players were all still on the rosters or how much playing time they had in the games against Pete's LSU teams. Also, it's safe to say that at least some of LSU's nonconference opponents some integration, but unclear to what extent exactly. But still, SEC teams comprised the bulk of LSU's schedule. I won't exactly say that Pete was playing D2-level of conference competition, but it's fair to say that the competition wasn't at the level of what would be considered as typical for D1 from the late-1970s-on in the SEC. I'll add one final piece of circumstantial evidence about how much Pete benefitted in college from taking so many shots and the lighter competition pre-integration. Compare his relative success in college vs what he did in his 10 NBA seasons, where he was top 20 in scoring 6x, including top 10 5x and led the NBA in scoring once. Those are more than respectable numbers, but still not anywhere close to his best of all-time scoring output in college. A logical conclusion here is that Pete wasn't nearly as dominant on offense in the NBA due in large part to much better competition plus taking a lot less shots than in college, where his 3 seasons hold the top 3 spots for most-shot-attempts ever by far. So basically, a big reason for Pete's unbelievable 44.2 ppg is that his dad the coach allowed him an unbelievable 38.1 shots/game. So when evening out Pete's and Clark's shot attempts, and even if giving him the 3 or taking away her 3, suddenly there isn't a big difference between their scoring rates anymore. Pete's still amazing, but Clark should be thought of on a similar level of amazing, at least. The other topic you discussed was Pearl Moore, and as you said she was D2: no one should ever mix D2 with D1 stats/records because the school size and competition differences are too great. My argument here is that anyone who doesn't care about size/competition differences and wants to mix everything together would then have to be consistent and do it for every single college sport, and D3 and JUCO should be included as well. One consequence of doing that: Pistol Pete wouldn't be the men's scoring leader but rather it'd be John Pierce of D2 Lipscomb U. with his 4,230 pts. Yet, no one has heard of Pierce, let alone recognizing him as the scoring leader over everyone else (EDIT: to clarify, Lipscomb was D2 back in Pierce's day from 1990-94, but they're D1 nowadays).

@darchon5

3 ай бұрын

@@marcdaddy33 Too kind sir, really appreciate it. Even though I'd previously done most of the calculations, this still took awhile to compose, ngl, heh.

I recall that someone went back and watched every college game the Pistol played and calculated that if he had a 3-point line, he would have averaged close to 57 points per game. Factor that into the 83 games he played and that would have meant another 1073 points. His final point total would have been 4,746! Pretty crazy to think he would have average that crazy number of points per game.

AND IF, AND IF, AND IF, AND IF, AND IF, JESUS! The record is called "Most points scored in NCAA Division 1 History". It's NOT called, "MOST POINTS EVER IN COLLEGE", Its NOT called "MOST POINTS EVER" by someone who was WHITE, it's not called, "SOMEONE who scored more points on Planet Meetzorp". Although, maybe it should be, which we never hear, "Most points scored in NCAA ever by player who was ALSO the Academic Player of the year!". Pretty sure Gus Johnson missed THAT tag when he was bragging up JuJu during the same game!!

I saw a pistol Pete video on KZread. I was surprised he was playing against all white guys. I’m not diminishing what he’s done. But that might have made it easier to score

Time to let it go.

What is this deserve crap deserve has nothing to do with anything. She is the all time leading points scorer so get over it.

The 'deserving' of anything is the product of other people. Clark scored the points because that's her job in basketball. She isn't arguing in favor of deserving anything. The woman who runs this video channel is a blathering word salad machine.

I deleted my comment.

recently calculated...if Pete had 1st yr numbers and 3 pointers counted...he had 5000pts...fact. I love caitlyn....but it is seperate leagues...where did this come from? stephie graff wins Wimbledon 5 yrs in a row...do they move her over above john mcenroe , conners , borg? No. seperate rules, different balls, different competition......we dont do this.....where did it come from.....oh yeah...the media of course. then of course dismiss pearl moore for different leagues...but for caitlyn its ok....c'mon also pete did not die of "bad heart" he was born without a coronary artery wich feeds the muscles with blood, his other side compensated for it...he could have passed anytime in his life. Read wiki

@user-eq4ym2rm5f

3 ай бұрын

If Clark shot the ball and average 38 shot attempts a game with the higher FG% Caitlin still blows him out the water. Just playing IF games.

@chazzwidd4922

3 ай бұрын

@@user-eq4ym2rm5f in mens League?

I’m a Catlin fan, but the stats are not in her flavor. The first one along with discrepancy in the number of games tells it all and the fact Pete did it in an era when there was no 3 point line puts it in Pete’s flavor. Both are incredible players and deserves their accolades.

@darchon5

3 ай бұрын

The stats are actually almost all in her favor and she went through many of them. The only one that's not is ppg, but that's directly correlated to his attempts being almost 2x hers. I go through all of the numbers in my separate post so you can see for yourself if you like, not gonna repeat all of them again here.

@ron88303

3 ай бұрын

@@darchon5 The more fundamental issue is that the men's and women's games are completely different. Same goes for soccer and volleyball. If they weren't then the sports would be lumped into coed leagues. How do you think that would turn out? Women would only make the teams through mandated quotas. Caitlin's a great player regardless, and should be recognized for what she accomplished. But to portray her as the best scorer in the men's game is a bit dishonest; unless she played against the men.

@darchon5

3 ай бұрын

@@ron88303 You got it wrong, no one here especially me has said that she is "the best scorer in the men's game"; perhaps you're hung up on her point total passing Pete's, which is just a number, but I have been replying to those like OP who talk about all the stats favoring Pete or others who claim that Clark is nowhere near his league in scoring prowess. So the overall point is that if someone tries to compare these two, the only way to do it is to examine their relative dominance vs the competition they faced, which can help to inform who might've had a better career. Granted, as you pointed out their competition is not nearly the same so it's not a perfect comparison, but it's the only somewhat fair way to compare - looking at quality of careers rather than hypothesizing about who's more skilled vs each other. Further, while Clark only plays against women, reminder: she herself is a woman, with the same relative disadvantages that you and others point out when compared to men, and she has to make those work for her against other women, not men. Just like Pete didn't play against women. And again, the key in comparison is to view how dominant they were vs who they faced. So comparing their stats is helpful in that regard, but it doesn't inform us about who's the better player between the two of them against each other. I would never say that Clark is a better player than Pete was, don't get it twisted. An analogy would be to compare Pete's LSU career to players like Edey, Zion, Jimmer, or Laettner. I picked some notable players from different eras simply to emphasize that it's not even easy to compare Pete to any of those guys because of the vastly different eras, which involve additions of the 3-pt line, other rules changes, and big differences in types of players faced (the biggest one being that Pete played just when the SEC barely started to racially integrate). So my previous point remains: it's tough to compare players numbers to make claims about who is better than who straight-up, but it's a bit easier and better to stick with comparing who was more dominant in their era, to help in evaluating who had a better career. So if you want to see my analysis of their numbers in a fair way, I'm not going to repeat everything here that I went into in my separate, detailed post under this video, but feel free to take a look at it if you like. Again, that's in response to the video, which was a response to Clark haters who wanted to start up the comparisons. One more analogy: no one says Serena is a better tennis player than Djokovic, Nadal, or Federer. But it is a fact that she has more slams than two of them. If someone wants to compare her to those 3, then only talk about how dominant she was vs her competition compared to them vs theirs. But, most tennis fans don't really compare Serena to guys, and... I'm actually good with leaving men's and women's records and numbers entirely separate, and celebrating their records separately. In the end, they aren't playing the exact same game under the same conditions vs the same players.

Did you ever watch film of Pete Play.

Dear lady you guys have been getting it wrong pistol Pete's record has not stood for 54 yeears a guy named Travis Grant who played basketball in college from 1972 to 1976 who was also in 2011 inducted in the Hall of Fame in the n a i a but get this Travis Grant is listed in the NCAA records a stand-alone total points of 4,045 points it is for your career after his college years in the 13th round he was also inducted into the Hall the Los Angeles Lakers but he does as far as the NCAA League that's in his bio as a man's college NCAA League a 4,045 points and there's a girl name Pearl Moore who played in The a i a w League lake Lynette Woodward did Paramore stands alone at 4,061 points for her college career and she played from 1975 to 1979 which Lynette Woodward played from 1977 through 1981 in her college so please please everybody get the facts right before you say that kitten Clark stands alone at the top of the heap between girls and men all time leader she Kelly Clarkson alone at the girls level but she does not at the boys so I will because Travis Grant stands alone at 4045 points but if she wants to be a hard time later she got to pass Travis Grant and pearl more to be the absolute all-time great in the total college arena so I humbly ask you please please please get it right do the research

@darchon5

3 ай бұрын

You're quick to tell people to "get the facts right" and to do their research, yet don't realize that you yourself are wrong. First off, Grant is not the all-time leader, and Moore is for women but not the overall leader either. The all-time leader in college basketball history for both men and women, is John Pierce, who had 4,230 points from 1990-94 at Lipscomb. Second, none of the people you mentioned except for Woodard and Clark should be included when discussing records of those like Wooedard and Clark who played major college bball. Said another way, Grant and Moore played at the equivalent of D2-level, smaller schools meaning a much different level of competition, as you may know; same with Pierce, because Lipscomb was D2 at the time, although they moved to D1 recently. No one, including the NCAA, mixes D1, D2, D3, and JUCO stats all together into 1 list, which is what you would have to do for EVERY single college sport for EVERY single stat (not just scoring) if you want to insist that Pierce is the scoring leader. But again, no one does that - no one referred to Pierce as the men's leader over Maravich. Grant and Moore deserve respect and did amazing things back then and certainly should be remembered, but their numbers, like Pierce's should be kept separately.

A man puts his fist through a brick wall and a woman puts her fist through a styrofoam wall. Both are the exact same actions but the resistance is totally different. Not comparable.

@user-eq4ym2rm5f

3 ай бұрын

women vs women and men vs men relative. I will say this that Pete played in a very white SEC, Not against some of the great players of the time that were black.

If you could put Caitlyn Clark, or any modern-age woman to play with the men in Pistols Pete's era, they would get CRUSHED!!!! They'd score 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 steals, and 0 assists.

@tomhammer1784

3 ай бұрын

Would match your 0 IQ.

Dumb question. See the points?...she has it. Please stop the nonsense. Pistol Pete would be happy for her. You should too.

Caitlin Clark does deserve breaking pistol Pete's record of 3,667 points that Caitlin Clark has past and all other records she has broken up to this point she does definitely deserve all the flowers that she gets Fremont high School years to the college years did you still doing it for 4th year without a doubt she does that does belong to the NCAA League without a doubt all flower store ❤️⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐❤️🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐💐

The thing your missing is the Pistol averaged 44.2 pts per game for 3 straight yrs. Plus women dont play as good as men. Just saying . Also if Pete would have had a 3 pt. Line he would have scored much more. Over 57 pts per game.

@user-eq4ym2rm5f

3 ай бұрын

wrong, no Stats to verify just some one saying it doesn't fly buddy.

She broke a record. She's a great shooter. But there is no comparison between her and Pete. The pistol was 6'5" had all the shots, serious handles, made incredible passes and could dunk the basketball easily. Clark may turn out to be really good in the WNBA but what she has now for the next level is potential. Can she be as good against bigger, stronger and faster players? She'll get her shot and then we'll see.

@user-eq4ym2rm5f

3 ай бұрын

No one saying Caitlin can beat Pete at basketball. All that is being said Caitlin has scored more points in Division 1 college basketball Women's and Men's. This a true statement.

@13dma1rz

3 ай бұрын

@@user-eq4ym2rm5f And if she scored more points then she obviously has the title.

@zt1053

3 ай бұрын

@@user-eq4ym2rm5f yes, she does have more points than him, but it’s the equivalent of a minor-league baseball player have more home runs than a major league baseball player. I’m sorry, but that’s the difference in quality level between men and women’s basketball.

title NCAA but says "women" a lot in the video. Just note NCAA took over AAIW the original women basketball organization before they was disbanded by NCAA, and if you gonna be saying "WOMEN" in your video debate, then she still hasnt beating the scoring title. Look up pearl moore, SMFH

@darchon5

3 ай бұрын

No, Clark is not competing with Moore for the scoring title, she was competing with Woodard. Moore's Francis Marion was and still is at the D2 level. If you truly believe that D2 doesn't matter, then you also need to include all of D3 and JUCO because school size and competition don't matter to you, right? And then this standard has to be applied to EVERY single college sport. That would mean, for example, that Pete Maravich isn't the real men's leader and Moore isn't the overall scoring leader. It would be John Pierce from D2, look him up, SMFH. But you actually don't have to look up Pierce or mixed together all those record books, because no one actually does that, not the NCAA and the AIAW didn't either. The AIAW recognized Woodard as their all-time scoring leader, and Moore is recognized as the leader only when 'small-college level' for AIAW is specified. You can look that up too.

@user-eq4ym2rm5f

3 ай бұрын

Pearl Moore played Small College AIAW (division 2) less talent. The more talented players played in AIAW (Division 1). Just like the men's Division 1 and Division 2 aren't compared the talent is not the same. I hope this clears it for you.

@iinspireNP

3 ай бұрын

​@user-eq4ym2rm5f ok so? Read my comment. I said WOMEN so why it matter which division? Learn to fucking read

She was a point guard Pete was not. Though Pete still was better passer.

@user-eq4ym2rm5f

3 ай бұрын

Not by the stats.

Pete played only 3 years , freshmen couldn’t play then. Had he played 4 years she would not have even been close to the record. Let’s tell the truth about this. She doesn’t deserve the record.

@user-eq4ym2rm5f

3 ай бұрын

Shot 40 shots a game. with Caitlin 4 years of shot attempts is still 600 shot attempts less than Pete in thee years. Wait Caitlin has the higher FG% over 3% higher.

The attempt to compare Maravich and Clark is a failure from the beginning. Maravich was far ahead of Clark in almost every perspective on the basketball court and the talent he had to play against was as good as anything available in todays WNCAA . Let Clark stand alone because she is good enough to do so.

What world do you live in ? She didn't compete against men for starters . Nobody seriously doubts He greatness but this is like comparing Bikes vs motorcycle racing , Men's soccer has already been proven when the USA women's soccer team got beat by a high school boys team . Give it a rest , stop complaining .

@user-eq4ym2rm5f

3 ай бұрын

Were talking points in career against D1 talent. Of course Men and women are separate no one is saying Caitlin can do this against men.

It's simple. You can't count points in JV games for varsity records. If you want to compare mens and womens, get rid of the gender divisions and have it co-gender. You know Caitlin would be sitting the bench. So stop this nonsense about her being better than Pete Maravich. She's the womens record holder, well deserved. When you start crossing the gender line, you are tripping in your comparisons.

Well Pete isn't with us anymore but I have no doubt he would be giving her all the props she deserves. She's just an amazing player take gender out of it.

If it doesn't count because Pete played less games. Then LeBron doesn't hold the point's scoring record in the NBA because he played more games and years to those he passed.

@zt1053

3 ай бұрын

It also shouldn’t count because he played men’s basketball she played womens. Does the NCAA have combined stats for men and women on all the different sports that both of them play