Does 8BitDo make a better N64 Controller than Nintendo?

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#8BitDo recently released their mod kit to retrofit original #N64 controllers with modern, wireless hardware. This mod takes away the connection with original hardware, but makes a fantastic way to play games on #NintendoSwitch with Nintendo Switch Online. However, Nintendo launched their own authentic-feeling, N64 controller last year to coincide with the NSO Expansion Pak's release. Can 8BitDo compete?
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:12 Nintendo's Controller
04:57 8BitDo's Mod Kit
09:36 Final Thoughts
10:27 Outro

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  • @GameXData
    @GameXData8 ай бұрын

    With regards to the 8BitDo replacement thumbstick, if you're experiencing dead zones or inaccuracies, make sure to calibrate your stick after installation. Doing so on Switch should eliminate any issues experienced. Meanwhile, dead zones can be decreased manually via software (e.g., Steam Input) for use with PC. As with all Hall effect sticks, dead zones are not an immutable property of the stick but rather how the stick is being interpreted by software. Experiences may vary when using the stick with original hardware. The stick works well as a drop-in replacement even without the full mod kit (which is intended for use with Switch and PC). However, in the absence of additional fine tuning via software, folks sensitive to differences from the original stick may be left wanting. If you're a person looking to use original hardware and want an experience similar to the original sticks, Kitsch-Bent sticks are a better route (link: kitsch-bent.refr.cc/gamexdata).

  • @tricycloplots21
    @tricycloplots21Ай бұрын

    If anyone is curious, there's been an update for the BlueRetro n64 controller adapter that now works with this 8bitdo mod. It gives you all the features of the adapter (VMUs) and controller (except for rumble, currently) and lets you use it natively on an original n64. I have one myself and it works great, can't recommend enough. I have a second adapter and kit on order even, no joke.

  • @LuchaMenos

    @LuchaMenos

    16 сағат бұрын

    I was curious and sad to know there were some bugs but now I´m buying one of those again...thanks for the info.

  • @rattlehead431986
    @rattlehead431986Күн бұрын

    Been a collector of the 8bitdo controllers for a while. Glad to see they've finally done something for the N64 controller. Just ordered my kit, can't freaking wait! Get to 100% Ocarina of Time again.

  • @hydro626
    @hydro6269 ай бұрын

    I had a few N64 controllers laying around so the 8bitdo option was a no brainer. The original guts I just put back in the 8bitdo box for safe keeping, so no worries there. My biggest complaint was the somewhat minimalist instructions that came with it that didn't fully illustrate how to do the installation. I had to supplement those with a KZread video of someone doing it to make sure I was putting everything in right. Also I've somehow never worn out my original control sticks in 25 years so I didn't buy the hall effect GameCube stick. Without that the kit is significantly cheaper than the Nintendo official option.

  • @CSharpGameDev
    @CSharpGameDev8 ай бұрын

    Ok I'm like 99% sure it's pronounced 8-bit-DOE like NintenDOE. Am I trippin?

  • @DanielZamudioUreta

    @DanielZamudioUreta

    3 күн бұрын

    No It does not, I have a couple of speakers from 8BitDo, that every time you turn them on, they sing "8bit-do", not DOE

  • @FlanCakes
    @FlanCakes9 ай бұрын

    I ended up buying a Repro Controller off Amazon since all you really need is a Shell and buttons , Worked out pretty well

  • @jayjayhooksch1

    @jayjayhooksch1

    7 ай бұрын

    What's a "repro" controller? A brand? I can't find it on Amazon. If not a brand, which brand did you go with?

  • @cizzymac

    @cizzymac

    6 ай бұрын

    @@jayjayhooksch1 A re-production, as in a clone device.

  • @GUCFan

    @GUCFan

    5 ай бұрын

    Oooh nice, i was wondering if those shells worked. Are the stick boxes soldered in on those repro's? Can the hall effect stick be used on a repro controller is what i'm asking to replace the stick boxes that the repro's uses.

  • @megakoni1

    @megakoni1

    20 күн бұрын

    i was planning todo so to but decided to go with the original, just because of the stupid nintendo logo xD

  • @Jaxxonian123
    @Jaxxonian1238 ай бұрын

    Good video, man! I love your calm, relaxing presentation. Love finding channels like this!

  • @SlickTater
    @SlickTater25 күн бұрын

    I’ve been hearing 8Bitdo pronounced incorrectly for so long that it’s a little jarring to hear you say it properly. Thanks for that

  • @mewimi
    @mewimi8 ай бұрын

    I have a feeling that the lower profile joystick, like the other 8bitdo more modern version of an N64 controller... has significant deadzones as well as being very hard to do more precise movements compared to the original joystick. These are two of the main issues all of the other joysticks have when playing N64 games.

  • @brzt4256

    @brzt4256

    4 ай бұрын

    You're absolutely correct. Couple that with the difference in angles (the replacement has equal angles all around, whereas the original has less acute angles in the cardinal directions) and you get a suboptimal experience overall compared to a new N64 controller.

  • @titanic_monarch796

    @titanic_monarch796

    Ай бұрын

    It's important to note that the original stick had something of a deadzone itself, with the casing for the stick blocking some of the traverse, and many emulators tying to compensate for this

  • @aquarsene1747

    @aquarsene1747

    25 күн бұрын

    That’s always my biggest fear when it comes to these sorts of controllers, the original stick is extremely precise and I haven’t seen many controller alternatives that can replicate it

  • @rachelmcguinness681

    @rachelmcguinness681

    23 күн бұрын

    youre correct. there are no (reasonably priced) replacements for oem n64 control sticks

  • @shamizy
    @shamizy9 ай бұрын

    It's an excellent kit from 8BitDo. I picked up 2 of the them on pre-order, assembled one on an Atomic Purple controller over the weekend, and I've been having a blast running through the N64 offerings on the Switch. Took a little work to situate all components and get it registering correctly (one of my buttons membranes shifted during re-assembly), but once it was down pat it has worked without any issues. It's an absolute blast being able to play through these games with that new joystick and the freedom of wireless connectivity. I've since decided to pick up 2 more kits so that I can build out an entire 4P set-up and start hosting retro game nights featuring Mario Kart, Pokemon Stadium Mini Games, and other potential options down the line. Really a fantastic kit, 8BitDo has just consistently put out great products for a long time now. Having the freedom to customize with all the great controller colorways that the N64 released over the years is also very attractive compared to the NSO replica that only comes in base gray. I'm looking forward to hunting down some unique colors to really customize this set-up down the line. The fact that it's a reversible mod if I ever want to rock them like normal controllers is a major plus as well.

  • @tyleralderman2599
    @tyleralderman259910 ай бұрын

    Fantastic video man! Well edited and very informative! You've def earned my sub! Keep up the great work! 8BitDo FTW! :)

  • @the1ucidone
    @the1ucidone19 күн бұрын

    This video answered all of my questions and concerns. Thank you! Subscribed.

  • @luissignoret8523
    @luissignoret852310 ай бұрын

    Has anyone gotten the modkit to work consistently on original hardware? I have been trying to use the BlueRetro Controller Receiver from 8bitmods, but I have mixed results.

  • @jerometomaskovich5067
    @jerometomaskovich506710 ай бұрын

    Great video with a lot of good information, thank you for the in-depth research and analysis. Subscribed, I look forward to future content!

  • @bland9876
    @bland98768 ай бұрын

    When I did this mod on an SNES controller someone straight up messaged me on eBay saying they were going to use the PCB to make an arcade stick.

  • @tipperdipper1149
    @tipperdipper11499 ай бұрын

    I am sorta interested in a modkit, 8BitDo has been a breath of fresh air as a whole for gaming products, it's pretty crazy! I don't think I'll do it until my controllers actually wear out though, if I do!

  • @gravebructer4881
    @gravebructer488129 күн бұрын

    this is also a good chance to fix up old controllers that might be to damaged for normal repairs

  • @MCKNIGHT92
    @MCKNIGHT925 ай бұрын

    How do you close out the application with the controller?

  • @GundamEleven
    @GundamEleven5 ай бұрын

    bought a N64 controller that unknown not working condition from used game store - going to install 8bitdo kit into it

  • @HesarealNoWhereMan
    @HesarealNoWhereMan26 күн бұрын

    Ive never pooped.my pants in my entire life.

  • @Sk3tchD
    @Sk3tchD10 ай бұрын

    Retrotime N64 Bluetooth Controller Receiver with Memory Pak Makes the 8bitdo controller mod work with the original n64

  • @nizmotube

    @nizmotube

    4 ай бұрын

    Or the blue retro adapters, just make sure you’re on the newest firmware

  • @perkulant4629
    @perkulant462926 күн бұрын

    Luckily i Have 6x n64 controllers from my childhood. This kit looks great, adding to my to get list.

  • @bubbleman91
    @bubbleman913 ай бұрын

    Isn't it possible to use a new n64 controller shell und replacement membranes for the 8bitdo controller?

  • @Truskj911
    @Truskj91110 ай бұрын

    Great video! And your presentation was fantastic. I'm thinking of picking one up strictly for emulation on a windows PC, and It's been hard to find people going into depth about how it goes on PC. Did you have any luck getting rumble to work on PC? I think I saw another user on Reddit mention they got it working by installing the same custom software used to get the official NSO n64 controller working, but I don't have either to test right now. I think I'll skip the hall joystick too.. It will be for N64 and I really need the original stick's range and resistance for that aiming in Perfect Dark.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    10 ай бұрын

    Thanks! As for rumble, custom software definitely seems to be needed. I haven't personally been able to get rumble working through Retroarch on Windows (Standalone or Steam) using either Steam Input or default control options. It's unclear why it doesn't work as well as it does on Switch, but there's a certain level of jank to all of this I guess.

  • @perkulant4629
    @perkulant462926 күн бұрын

    It was great at the time. Some games let you play on whichever side you wanted. Had lefty mates who played different to me etc.

  • @nnnmmm1987
    @nnnmmm198710 ай бұрын

    Great video. It helped me a lot

  • @social6077
    @social607715 күн бұрын

    congrats on the good video, pleasant to listen to. subscribed

  • @KingBat
    @KingBat20 күн бұрын

    8bitdo makes fantastic products. I’ve been using the SN30 Pro for a few years for my Switch and can’t imagine a better controller. I’d be open for trying this mod, however I do not like replacement thumbstick. N64 games were made with that stick in mind and I find it difficult to play these games without it, even with a modern controller.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    19 күн бұрын

    The good news is that you can order the main board by itself and keep your original stick if you'd like

  • @Ametisti
    @Ametisti22 күн бұрын

    I like the idea of 8bitdo's approach. I don't emulate N64 games really though, and nabbed a Retrofighters Brawler64 for my 64 itself. I didn't feel like messing with my old Goldeneye 64 controller, and didn't wanna kill its joystick anymore and the Brawler gives all trhe 64's inputs in a more modern layout. If I have a spare shell lying about sometime though I might look at 8bitdo's thing.

  • @miwfjuggs
    @miwfjuggs9 ай бұрын

    great vid! just subbed bro!

  • @oscarcamey8
    @oscarcamey810 ай бұрын

    This is def a good replacement for a broken controller, it just reuses the shell. If you have a favorite color, and a button or dpad aren't working the best, this is def cool to get. I'd keep the original thumbstick tho.

  • @BigTrees4ever

    @BigTrees4ever

    10 ай бұрын

    I’ve seen replacement joysticks that are n64 style but I’ve never tried them. I’d be fine with the GameCube style joystick if it was modified to have the same amount of points as the n64 instead of the extra points like on the GameCube, but with the octagonal gcn style sticks, it detracts from playing N64 games.

  • @Saintbalor
    @Saintbalor8 ай бұрын

    Another advantage of the 8bit-Do is that you can literally just buy the joystick if you don't even want to upgrade the board and just intend to have a more permanent stick. Wonder how the range of motion compares to the original though... Just bought a set to upgrade my old controllers and gonna test it out when it arrives. Thanks for the input :)

  • @GUCFan

    @GUCFan

    5 ай бұрын

    What's your opinion? I've done it on a OEM controller i have that already had a replacement stick that felt too sensitive. And i do have an OEM controller with an original stick still in it and testing both the original stick and the hall effect stick produced results that were identical!

  • @zachfutv9986
    @zachfutv998624 күн бұрын

    I started refurbishing consoles and I buy a hyperkin controller to pair with them, and no lie, the Captain Premium controllers are amazing quality. I feel like they are better than the OG 64 controllers.

  • @TakumiJoyconBoyz
    @TakumiJoyconBoyz9 ай бұрын

    Honestly, I just can't trust people on controller mods anymore because they don't go through enough testing. They generally just use the controller test rom to see if it makes the same shape as an original controller, maybe try Mario 64 and Golden Eye at very base level and then say it's great. But if you try to do a double backflip and barrel roll in Wave Race, do Smash Attacks in Smash Bros, do Spin Attack loops in Ocarina and Majora, or for speed-runners find ESS position easily, the sticks always fail at least one, usually multiple of these tests.

  • @carlangelo653
    @carlangelo65310 ай бұрын

    I personally just bought shells and buttons instead of taking apart and original controller. Some third party shells and buttons are almost if not basically identical to the original.

  • @troymd2009

    @troymd2009

    9 ай бұрын

    That was my question since I have a 3rd party I want to try this on

  • @jayjayhooksch1

    @jayjayhooksch1

    7 ай бұрын

    What about membranes?

  • @jayjayhooksch1

    @jayjayhooksch1

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@troymd2009did you end up doing it, what brand of 3rd party did you use if it worked?

  • @carlangelo653

    @carlangelo653

    7 ай бұрын

    @@jayjayhooksch1 you can buy replacement membranes as well, they aren't as good out of the box, but after breaking them in for while they feel way better. The tip is to get high quality replacements, there are tons of cheap ones but the quality is off.

  • @Haki1112
    @Haki111210 күн бұрын

    Go for this. I managed to find 5 n64 controllers at a garage sale for 10 dollars for all. I'm going to order this kit for at least 2 of those

  • @NintendoBoy64
    @NintendoBoy645 ай бұрын

    Alternate title: What Does 8BitDo that Nintendon't?

  • @amydoesart3724

    @amydoesart3724

    23 күн бұрын

    Since they did the bluetooth mega drive controller i use, then the awnser is genesis

  • @epsileth
    @epsileth25 күн бұрын

    Go the extra step, get the 8bitdo adapters for your consoles, enjoy wireless Bluetooth freedom.

  • @spidercolt
    @spidercolt10 ай бұрын

    What monitor were you playing the N64 on at the beginning?

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    10 ай бұрын

    That's a Surface Pro 9 connected via a Genki Shadowcast

  • @Noobsaibot21
    @Noobsaibot215 ай бұрын

    Is there any way to get the 8BitDO guts working with original hardware and with memory Pak support?

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    5 ай бұрын

    Sort of. The stick is a drop-in replacement for original controllers. It works fantastically. If you want to see what that looks like in-use, here's my video on that: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gmSXpayzqZTRmZM.html As for the new mainboard, it's a bit tricky. If you want to use 8BitDo's board, you'll need to also find a Bluetooth adaptor that can plug into an N64's controller slot. Blue Retro adapters have been mentioned by a ton of folks to solve this issue. Unfortunately, there have been some noted issues with Bluetooth adapters in the past with regards to deadzones out-of-the-box. So, if you do go that route, make sure to check for any firmware updates on your adapter and calibrate your stick after installation.

  • @CollinJosephNeal
    @CollinJosephNeal3 ай бұрын

    Have they solved the HD Rumble support or regular support on the N64 with the blue retro adapter sending a signal to it?

  • @SuperDwango

    @SuperDwango

    3 ай бұрын

    Well blueretro control functions work fine with the 8bitdo but the controller still ignores rumble information being sent to it. Seems like an issue 8bitdo has to fix with a firmware update.

  • @Badspot
    @Badspot9 ай бұрын

    The problem I've had with 8bitdo conversion kits is input lag. It adds another frame of lag, and since I'm already giving up a frame to play via an upscaler on my modern tv, it's just too much and feels bad. I've moved to using extension cables.

  • @eqprog

    @eqprog

    8 ай бұрын

    Yeah that leaves you with like 5 frames in some n64 games lol

  • @Layarion
    @Layarion7 ай бұрын

    i want to play zelda on my PC, should i maybe just use MK instead? i remember the original controller making my thumb really sore.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    7 ай бұрын

    I'd say the best option is always what's most comfortable for you. If you find the original controller uncomfortable, I definitely wouldn't stress about not using it.

  • @Postal268
    @Postal26829 күн бұрын

    Could you buy the kit and just 3d print all the buttons and shell? For anyone unfamiliar with 3d printing, any rubber bits can be printed in TPU which is like printable rubber

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    29 күн бұрын

    For sure! A few other folks have commented that after market shells work well. 3D printing seems like a great option as long as you can get the feel of the materials right.

  • @daverhodus
    @daverhodus10 ай бұрын

    Have you reviewed Brawler64 and Retro-Bit Tribute 64? I'm looking for a good USB N64 controller to use with MiSTer FPGA.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    10 ай бұрын

    I haven't had the chance yet (they're definitely on my list). Though, I know the Brawler64 tends to get recommended a lot by folks looking for a more modern controller shape with the N64 layout.

  • @TakumiJoyconBoyz

    @TakumiJoyconBoyz

    9 ай бұрын

    Check out Nerrel's video on N64 Controllers. It's pretty comprehensive and addresses a lot of issues other reviews seem to ignore.

  • @daverhodus

    @daverhodus

    9 ай бұрын

    @@TakumiJoyconBoyz I ordered the NSO N64 controller this week.

  • @songoku64
    @songoku6410 ай бұрын

    I recently got one and I tried it out and yes it's so breathtaking to have my actual orange Nintendo 64 controller for the system Wireless. Only thing I wish they would update is to have the damn thing rumble on the actual Nintendo 64. It's crazy how rumble for the Nintendo switch online 64 games but not for the same damn games on the actual 64. Here's hoping for a firmware update, to have it rumble on the actual Nintendo 64. Because I use the blue retro adapter. So far I have two of the actual Nintendo 64 online switch controllers that I also use for the 64 and they Rumble. And the rumbles feels better than that Rumble pack. I was playing Mario party last night LOL

  • @CollinJosephNeal

    @CollinJosephNeal

    3 ай бұрын

    Had to come here for the same reason. I have two N64 Online Controllers and two of the blue retro adapters and the rumble works great as well as memory sticks with it on the original N64. But would love the color and design options of the OG controllers to be see through or the yellow and green OG controllers.

  • @songoku64

    @songoku64

    3 ай бұрын

    @CollinJosephNeal indeed! It does look good, I have my orange one wireless. But there is no rumble....but there HASSS to be an option. Because one time, it did try to rumble, but it was a buzz....I prefer the rumble of the N64 switch online controllers.

  • @noclassfabrication9845
    @noclassfabrication98457 ай бұрын

    i got a broken controller from ebay. I wish there was someone making replacement shells that I could just buy and put the retrofit kits in.

  • @someoneelse1534
    @someoneelse153410 ай бұрын

    I understand the appeal of using a hall effect joy stick becuase it won’t down, but honestly that the most integral part of the controller. I find Mario Kart, Goldeneye, Tony Hawk PS2 and a lot of other game unplayable without the OG becuase other stick lack the depth of sensitivity.

  • @Spintechfilms
    @Spintechfilms22 күн бұрын

    Can one of those 3rd party N64 controller be a good donor shell for the 8bitdo mod? I mean honestly the quality wouldn't be that great prolly, bit it's an option

  • @Bigoukun
    @Bigoukun6 ай бұрын

    I would love to have a functional N64-like controller for my Recalbox, but my N64 work like a charm and all my N64 controllers work well. (Although the my black one has its joystick starting to show its age, and would need to be replaced. Why not by a hall-effect one?)

  • @latt.qcd9221
    @latt.qcd922126 күн бұрын

    The 8BitDo mod kit thumbstick looks like a GameCube controller thumbstick, which I'm not thrilled about. There's a good reason that the GameCube had radically different controls for lots of FPS games like Metroid Prime because the GC analog stick had terrible sensitivity making it useless outside of a few games like Smash Bros and Super Mario Sunshine, where it's perfect. The GC thumbstick is terrible to use on the N64 because it lacks the level of precision the original thumbstick had.

  • @Save_Corrompido
    @Save_Corrompido8 ай бұрын

    Great video

  • @SandyRegion
    @SandyRegion6 ай бұрын

    Just bought a couple of these mod kits and 2 broken controllers to fit them in. Definitely would never mod working hardware unnecessarily

  • @JoshBagwell
    @JoshBagwell24 күн бұрын

    I have a usb dongle that I connect my old N64 controller to and it is recognized as a generic controller that I can map buttons in mupen just fine

  • @patrickhawthorneLS
    @patrickhawthorneLS8 ай бұрын

    Does anyone know if the 8bit stick has the same deadzone issues as the after market GameCube stick replacements for original n64 controllers ? More importantly,i don't care about the switch,i want a good wired controller for the n64 console with a modern stick but one without the deadzone issues

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    8 ай бұрын

    If you're looking for a modern, wired controller for use with original hardware, the Brawler64 tends to get recommended quite a bit (link: retrofighters.com/our-collection/brawler64-nextgen-n64-controller-colors-v2/).

  • @Nico__1997
    @Nico__199724 күн бұрын

    I got the retro brawler 64 controller for Nintendo Switch Online. Its amazing. No regrets

  • @Chrisezo
    @Chrisezo10 ай бұрын

    I used the modkit to give life to an unwanted N64 controller, from the controller originally not working on original hardware and having a very dusty and loose stick, to now being fully functional and wireless through the modkit. I do admit though that it was a pain in the ass to be able to close it, and even after opening and closing it multiple times and even replacing the rubber buttons, the Z button still feels weird even though it works perfectly, also I am very mad that I have tried using multiple bluetooth adapters, such as the 8BitDo wireless adapters, the Mayflash ones and others in the market, but none of them can connect to the controller, so theres no way for me to convert the input from, DInput or Switch Input into XInput through the use of hardware, and even though I know I could use software or do a trick with drivers, thats too much of a hassle so games or software that do not recognize DInput or Switch Input, will not work for the controller unfortunately. I can only hope that they release a firmware update someday, because it would be nice to be able to use the 8BitDo Ultimate software, through the Bluetooth Adapter 2 if it ever gets updated to recognize the modkit.

  • @Gen1T
    @Gen1T9 ай бұрын

    If only someone could 3D print a replacement shell and/or buttons of a N64 controller 🤔

  • @treiz01
    @treiz0112 күн бұрын

    The NSO N64 Controller pairs perfectly to PC if you use BetterJoy

  • @akiraokami
    @akiraokami9 ай бұрын

    I just got mine, I bought one conversion kit and 2 stick replacements, all 6 of my n64 controllers have completely used up sticks and while I have tried ordering replacement parts, done the various methods people have listed to "bring life" back to the sticks and nothing really worked, they were still shit, so the stick replacement was a godsend, the conversion kit though was horrible to install, works great though, as for the leftover parts, I put them in the boxes the 8bitdo parts came in and will be storing them in the backrooms

  • @Phil2stroke
    @Phil2stroke26 күн бұрын

    the stick on the new nintendo controller is a potentiometer style so is the 8bitDo the original had a analog sweeper sensor… the original sensor is superior in terms of precision but it has a bunch of plastic wearable parts that wear out over time the new style just ends up drifting over time with use

  • @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube
    @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube10 ай бұрын

    Sadly doubt they'll see enough demand to commit to it, but some of the controllers 8BitDo sells now were first (and still are) available as mod kits with similar caveats to this. If the stars align there, there's at least a chance they'll spin up a ready-made option to go along with the rest of their assortment. The part that has me doubting is exactly what makes the N64 controller unique. It'll be fine for basically everything 2D from before modern controllers became the norm, it'll work decently for N64, Gamecube (sorta', the C stick is still a stick, after all, and the triggers were analog with a terminal button, but you probably won't be too limited there), and Dreamcast games, and it'll handle a lot of pre-Dualshock PS1 games...alrightly. You'll have to switch to using the C buttons for the PS1 face buttons and map A/B to L/R or L1/R1, but it'll work. That's not exactly damning, but the limitations mean this controller is a bit more of a specialty item than most of 8BitDo's other offerings.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    10 ай бұрын

    I agree. As impractical as it'd be, I'd love to see 8BitDo recreate the controller in their style. It seems like third-party controllers these days are either very low quality or give up on the form factor altogether (e.g., the Brawler64). I'd love a modern design-accurate controller that felt good to use and didn't require sacrificing original hardware. Also, fun fact, while testing for the video, my wife and I tested both controllers with various modern Switch games. For games like Mario Kart 8 and SSBU that don't require all buttons on a pro controller, N64 controllers were actually pretty fun to use. As you mentioned, it was only when we started to get into camera-heavy games (like Splatoon 3) where they became way too limiting.

  • @pranaviyer1055

    @pranaviyer1055

    10 ай бұрын

    @@GameXData Just get the NSO controller and connect it to your PC; and get a BlueRetro adapter with it if yo want to use it with your actual N64. The controller is perfect.

  • @PollyBonanzas
    @PollyBonanzas2 күн бұрын

    I haven’t used that replacement stick, but I’ve used other similar ones, and they’re just way too sensitive. They don’t control the same way an official Nintendo stick does. Maybe the Scooby-Doo stick has improved the sensitivity of their stick, but I’m afraid to waste my money on it to give it a try. I’d rather buy the Kitsch Bent parts to repair my old sticks. At least I know they’ll control correctly.

  • @depoka1420
    @depoka1420Ай бұрын

    I wanna tell you that with the n64 pcb jusb laying around you can buy replacement shells and membraines to still keep one N64 controller

  • @joncarlos716
    @joncarlos7169 ай бұрын

    8bitduo is the route to take only if you want a different color other than grey or if you already own one.

  • @Kaiesis
    @Kaiesis8 ай бұрын

    I found the 8BitDo swap not that great. IDK if you tested with a lot of games or not. I found the 8bitdo analog stick had inconsistency problems. It is way too sensitive on the outer edges and you don't get a controlled movement. You should try playing Mario 64 and Tip Toe around. You'll clearly see how superior the OEM controller is, followed by the switch N64 controller.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    8 ай бұрын

    Did you calibrate your stick after installation? In SM64 via NSO, I'm getting the same range of movements with 8BitDo's stick as I am with Nintendo's controller. With as minute movement of the stick I can muster, Mario's still moving forward. Meanwhile, the stick travel to break into a run feels natural compared to playing the game on original hardware.

  • @Kaiesis

    @Kaiesis

    8 ай бұрын

    @@GameXData I did and the calibration came out better, sometimes, than the N64 controller. Maybe the bluetooth adapter is translating wrong or something.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    8 ай бұрын

    @Kaiesis Glad to hear that helped. Based on some other comments I've seen from other folks having issues with Bluetooth adapters, I'm thinking they're at least a contributing factor. If so, I'm guessing fixing it might (unfortunately) come down to hoping for a firmware update from 8Bitdo or waiting for an adapter that's designed to work with the modkit.

  • @cheezyfriez12
    @cheezyfriez1226 күн бұрын

    If you have a rooted device, I would highly recommend the 1controller module for magisk.

  • @andrewperez5550
    @andrewperez555025 күн бұрын

    I like to say 8bit dough, its a little inside joke with myself when everyone else thinks im saying "do."

  • @Jayrod64
    @Jayrod6410 ай бұрын

    Honestly Nintendo's N64 Switch Online Controller(mouthful of a name) is almost always sold out. I'd love to get one, but chances are low. The 8bitdo modkit is a bit better in that it's a drop in replacement to make the N64 controller Bluetooth. For a modern N64 controller, the best option is the Retrofighters Brawler 64, with it's much more ergonomic design and layout.

  • @austinheisler6744

    @austinheisler6744

    9 ай бұрын

    Not sure if you'll get this notification but they are in stock right now!

  • @blaine453
    @blaine453Ай бұрын

    You can connect OEM to usb with raphnet adapter. You don't need the switch or 8bit controller. The 8bit stick would have terrible angles for speedrunning.

  • @WesTheHunter
    @WesTheHunter3 күн бұрын

    I expected the Nintendo controller to be better than anything else for input lag through Bluetooth...

  • @yungguh5341
    @yungguh53418 ай бұрын

    N64 switch online controller works in Project 64 with little to no hassle and u have to decrease the deadzones. and for other things u can use betterjoy, it's not too much of a hassle

  • @cd8986s
    @cd8986s10 ай бұрын

    NIce Video!

  • @ninten360
    @ninten3605 ай бұрын

    I think the mod kit is perfectly ideal for people that have broken controllers with bad sticks and/or torn apart cables, it brings new life ton controllers whose buttons and shells would have become e-waste

  • @zazuradia
    @zazuradia24 күн бұрын

    can't we just buy one of those aftermarket shells that come with an extra pack of buttons and rubberpads and call it a day? i mean, we have to swap the board anyways, and since they should be intended for the original controller's board, they should couple just fine.

  • @AceSlaanesh
    @AceSlaaneshАй бұрын

    I have over 15 8bitdo products, none of them has broken so far and I abuse them a lot

  • @bustergundo516

    @bustergundo516

    21 күн бұрын

    What controllers do you have?

  • @scumbagsteve6349
    @scumbagsteve634910 ай бұрын

    Could you use this mod on "Old Skool" Nintendo 64 controller instead? You would only be trashing the parts of a 3rd party controller.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    10 ай бұрын

    Maybe! If the layout of the shell is the same as an original controller, it should work. I do know some 3rd-party controllers update the internal shell design a bit to fit their own parts though. Could be a neat thing to test out if someone has one on-hand.

  • @scottyawesomesauce467
    @scottyawesomesauce46721 күн бұрын

    Havent used or researched it, but 8bitdo has released a full contoller for $56. Since you dont need nso its still reasonable.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    21 күн бұрын

    As far as I know, 8BitDo's only vaguely hinted at an N64 controller to coincide with the Analogue 3D launch. They still haven't made the jump to sell a complete N64 controller through their store.

  • @DE23
    @DE2310 ай бұрын

    You dont actually need the expansion pack to get the controller, a base Switch Online subscription is enough

  • @DMARtunes
    @DMARtunesАй бұрын

    I need the beans shirt.

  • @ravenouspathogen
    @ravenouspathogen9 ай бұрын

    Just find what I still have - The Adaptoid

  • @MinibossMakaque
    @MinibossMakaque10 ай бұрын

    One nitpick about what you said. The new joystick is GameCube style, not N64 style.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    10 ай бұрын

    Definitely a fair nitpick to make. It always feels awkward referring to an N64 thumbstick replacement as a gamecube thimstick, but I should've corrected it.

  • @linksgard2

    @linksgard2

    8 ай бұрын

    @@GameXData thats extremely important information for the n64, gamecube style sticks have a different sensitivity to originals and make certain movements impossible.

  • @diegomedina9637
    @diegomedina963710 ай бұрын

    *Me who has a ton of flea markets around with cheap faulty N64 controllers laying around* Time to cook for a bit, boys!

  • @notturok7841
    @notturok78418 ай бұрын

    I’ll sum up the video… yes ! It’s awesome I can play everything like it’s a brand new stick with proper deadzones and speeds. Long live and love n64 controllers

  • @Pan_Z
    @Pan_Z20 күн бұрын

    Another downside of Nintendo's Switch N64 controller is the joystick no longer uses an optical sensor, but a potentiometer. The stick will gradually "drift" out of allignment with use.

  • @mariorruiz
    @mariorruizАй бұрын

    What about the brawler? Not the same shape but better controller for 64

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    29 күн бұрын

    I've nothing against it, but the controller's shape is honestly half the point here. The experience of playing an N64 game with an N64 controller is different than with other, more modern controllers. For folks who don't care about that difference, neither the controllers in this video would probably be worth their time.

  • @rorysimpson8716
    @rorysimpson87168 ай бұрын

    It's all in whether or not a year from now the stick is so floppy you have to snap the stick off to make your character run. Of all the goofy design choices Nintendo ever made, cheaping out on your analogue stick was one of the worst.

  • @EBPization
    @EBPization10 ай бұрын

    Has anyone compared the stick mapping to the original? The history shows the gamecube style stick doesn't map well to the original. Thoughts?

  • @TheCludo
    @TheCludo20 күн бұрын

    Since 8bitdo only Providers the Board the Controller is technicly still made by Nintendo

  • @rynesherman9099
    @rynesherman90999 ай бұрын

    Nice BEANS shirt!

  • @CockroachMunchingKrabbyPatty
    @CockroachMunchingKrabbyPatty10 ай бұрын

    It is the year of the lord 2000 + 23 and people still don't see that the 'do' in the 8bitdo name is supposed to be pronounced like Nintendo.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    10 ай бұрын

    That's because it's pronounced "8BitDoo." twitter.com/BobWulff/status/1501716175977431040

  • @ps2656

    @ps2656

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah, years ago, the company said it is "doo". They even used to sell a Bluetooth speaker that would say "8BitDo" when powered on and people then were like "oh so that's how they pronounce it". Since obviously we would assume it is like the 'do' part of Nintendo.

  • @DE23

    @DE23

    10 ай бұрын

    Not it isn't, their official speaker pronounces it "8bitdoo"

  • @TheInfiniteNine

    @TheInfiniteNine

    10 ай бұрын

    They tell people to pronounce it as "doo" instead of "do" probably because otherwise the ninten"do" ninjas would be taking them out from behind 😂

  • @gnocchidokie

    @gnocchidokie

    10 ай бұрын

    I’m shocked by what I’ve learned here. There was no doubt in my mind that it was “doh” like Ninten-do

  • @OwOLink
    @OwOLink18 күн бұрын

    you can probably repurpose a generic usb n64 controller

  • @YTP2go
    @YTP2go10 ай бұрын

    Something that I think should be mentioned in the video is that the Hall Effect joystick is not required and an original one can be used in it’s place to have it play like the NSO one. In fact, with an original joystick it is better than the NSO controller’s stick as the NSO stick uses potentiometers which can drift and whereas the original stick uses optical encoders which won’t drift over time as long as the plastic parts are not worn down. Also the Kitsch-Bent parts work for the original controller stick but not all the pieces work for the NSO stick due to some redesigns for the potentiometers to fit.

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    10 ай бұрын

    All good points. The first part is mainly an omission of personal preference. I don't go out of my way to mention that the old stick can be reused because I think most folks would be better off upgrading to the (hypothetically) more durable stick. However, there's nothing stopping someone from saving $10 on their mod kit purchase and using the original stick or going all in on something like a steel stick (if they're feeling fancy). As for the Kitsch-Bent parts, I'm referring primarily to the stick itself in the video. From my experience, that tends to be the biggest point of failure over time. Based on the teardown I linked int the video description, the stick on the NSO controller appears to be interchangeable, even if the mechanism itself has changed. It's likely I could've made that clearer in the video; sorry for any confusion.

  • @takatominemoto7703
    @takatominemoto77036 ай бұрын

    I'd get one of these mod kits if you could still use it with an N64 :|

  • @roninstormYT
    @roninstormYT5 күн бұрын

    look your using it on a mobile divice bro try it on a pc i had no issuse emulating on a pc with this controller

  • @Joker22593
    @Joker2259326 күн бұрын

    Or you just buy a usb adapter for $10. If you already have real N64 controllers and they aren't in bad shape, the adapter is a great way to go.

  • @jeremyandrews3292
    @jeremyandrews32928 ай бұрын

    I have to admit that I'm kind of disappointed that it's a kit that requires modifying original hardware... because that means if original hardware gets harder to find, then the kit won't do you much good. Also, it isn't great if you're like me and don't really like modding stuff to begin with. Finally, the most disappointing thing about it is that if you use this mod, the controller won't work with an original N64 anymore... like, in principle, it's a better solution than Nintendo's official one, but it comes in a kit and requires both some degree of skill and a sacrifice a lot of people might not want to make. To be honest, I'm tempted to describe the approach derisively as gutting an official controller, scraping out the innards, and pretty much just salvaging the casing and buttons, which are the part that would be the easiest to reproduce, probably to save a few bucks. However, I suspect official N64 controllers will get more expensive in the future thanks to this, just like original SNES controllers that work well are already kinda out of reach... maybe the long-term plan of 8BitDo is to drive OEM N64 controllers off the used market by selling this mod to encourage people to destroy inventory so they can get the price high enough to make money off a better reproduction of an N64 controller? LOL.

  • @suavebob

    @suavebob

    8 ай бұрын

    The N64 controllers are presently cheap enough, I picked up 2 fully working Nintendo branded atomic purple and royal blue, cost £10 each (so 13usd). Gutted and binned the innards and replaced with the 8bitdo modkits - Works perfectly with zero need to revert. Not really caring about preservation or collectors crying, I purchased them on an open market (ebay) and they are now my property, so can do with them whatever I wish.

  • @Dark-Hound
    @Dark-Hound14 күн бұрын

    Meh, just get a blue retro n64 external module. Then the NSO 64 controller is a good option. And NO taking a controller apart. The blue retro adapter has memory on it as well for game saves.

  • @bigfootnintendorazr
    @bigfootnintendorazr25 күн бұрын

    Yes. No contest

  • @Caolan114
    @Caolan11410 ай бұрын

    You can promote a product you were paid to cover without shitting on the original

  • @GameXData

    @GameXData

    10 ай бұрын

    Wait, someone was paying me? If so, I'd like to know when I'll get the money. We could use a new telephoto lens 👀

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