Hey girl I’m Jamaican and my last name was Shand until my grandfather changed it to Shann

@SerenitySlumber200

10 ай бұрын

I was looking for information on my grandads original surname Shand. Thank you for this

@Travelwithshii

4 ай бұрын

Same :) @@SerenitySlumber200

@SerenitySlumber200

Ай бұрын

@@Travelwithshiigirl we family 😂

I’m 25 percent Scottish. My day always spoke of his father being part Scottish. The dna made the links. Moray

@madeoflayers

10 ай бұрын

🎯 The Negroe Rulers of Scotland and the British Isles

@wiseonwords

6 ай бұрын

Och aye, lassie!

They are looking at this through an American lens what people need realize is that mulattos were considered black and their were marriages in Jamaica between white and black in Jamaica during slavery it’s very different from what happened in America it’s not always rape. Especially since the mulatto kids benefited from their plantation owner father. It’s a complicated because today we live in a better world but let’s not edit history and call the kids black because it brings confusion of them verse full Africans.

@exquisitecaribbeanqueen7198

Ай бұрын

If you check the history. There was a lot of rape & abuse.....

Wowwww my some of my ancestors were on an estate William Shand had in Jamaica my maternal side are from a saint Catherine during early 1800s it was called Saint John parish and Saint Dorothy

@cakesboo6554

14 күн бұрын

That’s where my GGG grandmother is buried. Her son’s name is John Shan Maclean who came over to Australia after she died. Which is where I am!

On my father's side of the family the Anderson family line originates in Scotland in the East Lothian area. They settled in St James, Jamaica in the early 1700s and owned several plantations such as Flower Hill. Rebecca Mulloy had several children with Dr. John Anderson and David MacNish, including one who ended up settling in New Zealand and becoming one of the earliest "Pakeha Maoris"

Thank you for talking about this! One of my family names is McGowan. It's both Irish and Scottish and my fam has both that Irish/Scottish DNA from my Mom 🎉. I'm taking up the challenge with finding it and I'm 90% sure it's from the major enslaver James McGowan in Port Royal, Kingston, Jamaica. I recently bought the book by Kate Phillips, 'Bought & Sold: Scotland, Jamaica, Slavery'. It's definitely worthy of reading for my info and history.

My mother's name is Scottish as well. Abernathy, which is also very rare. As black people, we often talk about the sins of the Europeans, while we ignore the role that African leaders played in the trans atlantic slave trade. African leaders sold millions or maybe billions of slaves to Arabs and Europeans. Also, the Portuguese were the first Europeans to actually snatch African and enslaved them in Portugal as early as the 1440s. The economy of many African countries was based on slavery- trading arms, umbrellas, and mirrors for human beings. I know this is hard to accept, but these are facts. It was the Europeans who attempted to abolish it, not the Africans. As we know, most African slaves ended up on Portuguese ( Brasil, Cape Verde, and Sao Tome e Principe) colonies. And they didn't abolish slavery in their colonies until 1888. That's about 450 years of slavery and Portugal is still poor.

That's awesome to went to Scotland I'd love to do the same I've many Scottish surnames on my maternal side. Gordon, McLeod, Taylor, Hay, Hayes, Hume's, the list goes on

@courtneywalcott513

6 ай бұрын

I have McLeod, Gordon, Young on my maternal side and Sinclair, Beckford , Wilson & Broadbelt on my paternal side. Done my dna and I have Scottish and Irish dna. I’ve learnt John Hayle Sinclair, is a direct relative. You can Google him for the legacy he left in Jamaica.

I’m a Jamaican and I’m 15% Scottish and 10% Chinese. I love these stories

A very interesting and also moving documentary. Thank you.

Princess Diana's Mother was married to Peter Shand Kydd so who knows maybe they come from the same cloth.

I’m just seeing this. Thanks so much for your contribution to Jamaican genealogy. If you have not done so as yet, I strongly recommend that you do a DNA test. If you have the last name “Shand” the chances are that you are a descendant. People often make the mistake of confusing the naming conventions in Jamaican plantations with those in the American colonies. However, if the enslaved in Jamaica carried the surname of an enslaved or a plantation overseer, the chances are that this was their father. The register will identify them as Mulatto, Quadroon, or Octoroon.

In Jamaica, after emancipation, many formerly enslaved people simply took on the last name of the plantation they were on or picked their own last name. This did NOT necessarily mean that they were genetically linked to the owners of the plantation. Even in this story, the mixed kids of the plantation owner left Jamaica and their descendants did not remain on the island. If she was genetically linked to the Shand brothers, she could have started this doc with an ancestry dna test and traced back that way 💁🏾‍♀️

Thanks for a deeper insight on my heritage

Not just an interesting modern link to history, a refreshing example of open, honest, civil conversation about the non-consentual role enslaved People played in the building of the grand estates and wealth. Thank you for this!

lol I’m Shand too, and I heard my grandpa was from st Ann before he moved to westmoreland.

Early Origins of the Shands family, Normandy France. The name is Sephardic Jewish in origin, who were people of colour also. The surname Shands was first found in Aberdeenshire (Gaelic: Siorrachd Obar Dheathain), a historic county, and present day Council Area of Aberdeen, located in the Grampian region of northeastern Scotland, where they held a family seat from ancient times, some say as early as the 12th century. In this county the name has been found in the parishes of Fyvie, Drumblade, Auchterless, Culsalmond, Forgue, Turriff, Gamrie and King Edward. "A rare but old surname in Scotland. 'The surname of Shand seems originally to have been confined to the north-eastern counties, particularly Aberdeenshire, and in that county more especially to the districts comprising the parishes of: Turriff, Forgue, Drumblade, Auchterless, Culsalmond, Fyvie, King-Edward, and Garnrie." [1] The family is said, by C.F. Shand, the family historian, to be descended from Philibert de Shaunde, Earl of Bath in 1485, who in turn, was descended from a noble house in Normandy. The Earl of Bath, Philibert Shaunde, was created by King Henry II of England and Normandy. Philibert was styled by the King as "Consanguineus noster." [2] Further south in England, the Yorkshire Poll Tax Rolls of 1379 include: Johannes Schaune, Webster; and Thomas Shan. [3] Early History of the Shands family This web page shows only a small excerpt of our Shands research. Another 91 words (6 lines of text) covering the years 1522, 1551 and 1672 are included under the topic Early Shands History in all our PDF Extended History products and printed products wherever possible. Migration of the Shands family Some of the first settlers of this family name or some of its variants were: A. Shand who arrived in San Francisco, California, in 1852.

@jonathansoko1085

9 ай бұрын

Sephardic jews were not "people of color" Stop that mis information. Spanish are white. Thats like saying ashkenaz are people of color since they have the same origins. Literally stop talking. Just because a white person has a bit of a tan, doesnt make them not white, And olive skin does NOT exist. Greeks and italians are often called that, falsely, they are also WHITE people. I dislike these kinds of delegations but its people like YOU that push the bullshit so i have to correct you.

@jonathansoko1085

9 ай бұрын

Also shand is not normandy in origin, people like you are DANGEROUS

@SDBOGLE

9 ай бұрын

Papal Bull Dum Diversas 18 June, 1452Permalink Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas on 18 June, 1452. It authorised Alfonso V of Portugal to reduce any “Saracens (Muslims) and pagans (Sephardic Jews) and any other unbelievers” to perpetual slavery. “We weighing all and singular the premises with due meditation, and noting that since we had formerly by other letters of ours granted among other things free and ample faculty to the aforesaid King Alfonso - to invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed, and the kingdoms, dukedoms, principalities, dominions, possessions, and all movable and immovable goods whatsoever held and possessed by them and to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery, and to apply and appropriate to himself and his successors the kingdoms, dukedoms, counties, principalities, dominions, possessions, and goods, and to convert them to his and their use and profit - by having secured the said faculty, the said King Alfonso, or, by his authority, the aforesaid infante, justly and lawfully has acquired and possessed, and doth possess, these islands, lands, harbors, and seas, and they do of right belong and pertain to the said King Alfonso and his successors”.

In my family we have German and Irish ancestry just from my dad’s side. His grandfather was German

Can you find out about my name too. I heard great great grandfather is Scottish too. "Huntington"

@Sabhail_ar_Alba

2 ай бұрын

About as Scottish as Yorkshire pudding.

From what I'm learning is the original Scottish were so-called black kzread.info/dash/bejne/lo1p25l9m7OyoMY.html you might find this interesting

@Leif208

Жыл бұрын

You're delusional. There's no evidence for this absurd claim. Stop trying to appropriate other people's heritage and legacy.

@madeoflayers

10 ай бұрын

1. The Scottish Flag represents St. Andrew, a Black Saint. 2. Saint Andrew was depicted on a 16th century coat-of-arms of the burgh of St. Andrews 3. The Family crest of: Andrews, (Fairbairn Book of Crest - Plate 135 clearly displays the true race of the Andrews Family being Black, at that time period. 4. The Union Jack represents three dark-melanated saints and one dark-melanated king. Who United the 4 Black Kingdoms 5. Black, Tawny, Ruddy, Malatto, Celt, Picts & Moors are the Original Hiers of the Bristish Isles & the Family Crest & Surnames, is Our true Heritage & History. 6. Most of us are Not Amaru Khans, Washitaw, Gallabi, Locono, Xi or Muurs from America or Yuruba, Igbo, Kushite, San or Blackmoors from Africa Books: 1. Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph J Williams 2. The Negroe Rulers of the Scottish and British Isles by Dr John Johnson 3. Jacobites before the Slave Trade by Azariah Lindo 4. The Negroe Question Part 4 by Lee Cummings 5 Nature Knows No Color Lines by J A Rogers 6. Ta Meri Ka El by Roi Kwabena Wibsites: 1. True Races Facts 2. Real History WW 3. African American Irish Diaspora Network All Praise to the Most High 🙏🏽

I'm looking for the Wilson who was a slave master in the parish of St Ann Jamaica it would be nice to if someone could help

My father says your father was her father’s brother

Sorry to be a damp squid but Shand was always your surname and it's the European that took over our estates and assumed our names. Please look into Dr Marie Charles, she is an author and historian equipped with Primary sources and ship manifest that displays endless black people shipped to the US and the Caribbean with names such as Campbell McDonald Sinclair and so many more. Sounds unbelievable if you have only been exposed to one version of events. What you have done is returned home.

@cakesboo6554

14 күн бұрын

My ancestors in Jamaica was John Shand Maclean. I know the Maclean comes from his Scottish father but his mothers name was Ann Bartlett who was a squadron in St Catherine and is buried there while he returned to Scotland after the emancipation. so not sure where the Shand came from. So hard to find any of the Jamaican side while I have heaps on the Scottish side. Seems he left the women in Jamaica and brought the boys only back to Scotland

African american and Caribbean genealogy is difficult due to all descending from Africa!!! Keep digging

1. The Scottish Flag represents St. Andrew, a Black Saint. 2. Saint Andrew was depicted on a 16th century coat-of-arms of the burgh of St. Andrews 3. The Family crest of: Andrews, (Fairbairn Book of Crest - Plate 135 clearly displays the true race of the Andrews Family being Black, at that time period. 4. The Union Jack represents three dark-melanated saints and one dark-melanated king. Who United the 4 Black Kingdoms 5. Black, Tawny, Ruddy, Malatto, Celt, Picts & Moors are the Original Hiers of the Bristish Isles & the Family Crest & Surnames, is Our true Heritage & History. 6. Most of us are Not Amaru Khans, Washitaw, Gallabi, Locono, Xi or Muurs from America or Yuruba, Igbo, Kushite, San or Blackmoors from Africa Books: 1. Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph J Williams 2. The Negroe Rulers of the Scottish and British Isles by Dr John Johnson 3. Jacobites before the Slave Trade by Azariah Lindo 4. The Negroe Question Part 4 by Lee Cummings 5 Nature Knows No Color Lines by J A Rogers 6. Ta Meri Ka El by Roi Kwabena Wibsites: 1. True Races Facts 2. Real History WW 3. African American Irish Diaspora Network All Praise to the Most High 🙏🏽

@chrismckinnon7931

8 ай бұрын

Lol

@madeoflayers

8 ай бұрын

@@chrismckinnon7931 ⌨️🧌😭 1. They Were White and They Were Slaves by Michael A. Hoffman 2. The 1619 Project-Part 2 The History of Slavic Slave Business by John Tuman JR

@I_Wish_I_Was_Home

5 ай бұрын

family crest is an incorrect term for a coat of arms granted to one specific person of a certain surname, crest is on top if a knight helmet and escutcheon is the shield, it originated from medieval knights, and from proto heraldic symbolism of flags and shield and such, the roman eagle can be considered proto heraldry, as well as norman shields. celts and picts are white european, picts is scottish and celts I'd say are from continental europe, part of the broad Ancestry of Brittany, 🇪🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪🇮🇲🇧🇪🇳🇱🇱🇺🇨🇭 etc etc

@madeoflayers

5 ай бұрын

​@@I_Wish_I_Was_Home​Cool Story bro, You have no facts or source to back the nonsense your waffling. Whites are Caucasians from the Caucus Mountains, Facts 🎻 😭 1. They Were White and They Were Slaves by Michael A. Hoffman 2. The 1619 Project-Part 2 The History of Slavic Slave Business by John Tuman JR

@madeoflayers

2 ай бұрын

@@conscious3-ep2cd Im not saying it. Im just pointing out what the historical and biblical sources state. 100 Proof the Hebrews Israelites were Melanated, their heraldry & Symbols in Europe & USA kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWiomsGMfsLJl5M.htmlsi=BAHqtRTRPi78AlNY True Messiah in the Voronet Monastery kzread.info/dash/bejne/o2t6lNeip5i7oNI.htmlsi=L4CBHlIn-LqSVlOg 1. Undeniable full colour evidence of Black Isrealites in the Bible by Dante Fortson 2. The Negro Question Part 4 by Lee Cummings All Praise to the Most High Ahayah, Yashaya, Rawach Qadash🤴🏿✨️

I love Jamaicans jah bless ya all .watching from Scotland peace and love to all

My Sister, that is your Great Great Great Grandfather's Palace, exactly it does not add up, fact's if you noticed they fail to mentioned indentured servants, your Pop's came to Jamaica retired in Scotland, He didn't go bankrupt he didn't covert to Catholicism. Now their making million's off $$$$$$ off your Great Great Great Grandfather's works. SMH.......I'm glad you experienced your Great Great Great Grandfather Legacy, you went and saw his Great Wealth. Need to do the same, Great Job Sis,,,,,,,,,

@PlannedObsolescence

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it said that they were biologically related.

@madeoflayers

10 ай бұрын

1. The Scottish Flag represents St. Andrew, a Black Saint. 2. Saint Andrew was depicted on a 16th century coat-of-arms of the burgh of St. Andrews 3. The Family crest of: Andrews, (Fairbairn Book of Crest - Plate 135 clearly displays the true race of the Andrews Family being Black, at that time period. 4. The Union Jack represents three dark-melanated saints and one dark-melanated king. Who United the 4 Black Kingdoms 5. Black, Tawny, Ruddy, Malatto, Celt, Picts & Moors are the Original Hiers of the Bristish Isles & the Family Crest & Surnames, is Our true Heritage & History. 6. Most of us are Not Amaru Khans, Washitaw, Gallabi, Locono, Xi or Muurs from America or Yuruba, Igbo, Kushite, San or Blackmoors from Africa Books: 1. Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph J Williams 2. The Negroe Rulers of the Scottish and British Isles by Dr John Johnson 3. Jacobites before the Slave Trade by Azariah Lindo 4. The Negroe Question Part 4 by Lee Cummings 5 Nature Knows No Color Lines by J A Rogers 6. Ta Meri Ka El by Roi Kwabena Wibsites: 1. True Races Facts 2. Real History WW 3. African American Irish Diaspora Network All Praise to the Most High 🙏🏽

This is silly! The black people come from Scotland is basic knowledge not Africa for the most part. They got dispossessed after that jacobite rebellion and sent to colonies that their monarch owned by the trading companies the the Monarch owned. Virginia, some spots in the islands🤦🏿‍♂️ how do people not know that. The Scottish of back then are alot of black people in the island and America today not Caucasian looking people with the name geeesh... that's not hard to understand.

@wandarobinson682

7 ай бұрын

Right on!!!

Cos black people in Jamaica were taken from Scotland

@Sabhail_ar_Alba

2 ай бұрын

Over 100,000 snatched off the streets or prisoners from the Battle of Culloden and from the Cromwell wars.

@decodedpsyop

Ай бұрын

No

@user-yf3lu5mh2n

27 күн бұрын

@@decodedpsyop so why do black people in the west indies have Scott8sh&Irish surnames which relate to being black or having dark skinned

@naimawright9218

9 күн бұрын

No, they were taken from West Africa.

Stand, you ancestor was as black as you.. original from the Highlands

Chan! Your ancestors were from Scotland not Africa. Slavery was a religious war not race.. No Jamaica or West Indies came from Africa.

"Slave massa " definitely ain't giving a slave theur gopd name. This is all regurgitation of misleading people. You can't just go take and use someone's surnsme .

Slightly off topic, but Montego Bay is pronounced as 'Monty-go' instead of 'Mon-tego'.

Reparations are coming, 2024 the tables have turned.

That mansion belongs to the descendants of those slaves who built it.

You want to be very careful when you are digging into history that you find something about your ancestors that you don't like and that will upset you. Slavery was a commonplace throughout the evolution of the human species at some time or another, and many societies engaged in it. It is very unwise to consume your time looking for the wrongs done to your ancestors, when your time can be more productively employed in taking advantage of the benefits of a free society in the 21st century.

@YoungMaroon

12 күн бұрын

Be quiet, Magnus.