The guilt on the Doctor's face when Bill's puppet appears 😢

@soundgal_sine_qua_non

7 ай бұрын

Amy's was her choice. Clara took responsibility for her actions. Bill was the bystander who was literally caught in the crossfire.

@alexanderhorter1287

7 ай бұрын

"Just. Promise you won't get me killed all right?"

Slightly dark detail in the costume design of the puppets - each companion wearing what they wore at the time of their death/departure

@benjaminhager6285

7 ай бұрын

I noticed with Clara more than anything since that Sweater combo is now so iconic

VERY clever way of re-capping to new viewers what they missed, in short sweet terms, well played RTD

@PlanetoftheDeaf

7 ай бұрын

And also an attempt to show that RTD hadn't completely forgotten the 8 years of the show under Moffat which followed his first spell 😁

Each one was a very deliberately jaundiced account of how each of these companions met their end. Of course, the toymaker avoided the mitigating circumstances and focused on the tragedy. Amy died of old age, but she died after having lived and married, and had a child and became an author. Clara died to protect somebody else and for all we know is still floating through space in her own TARDIS. Bill is living another existence as water. But I don't have an explanation that contradicts what happened to the flux. Regardless, this shows the inhumanity of the toy maker. He knows every single tail cuts the doctor to the core to make matters worse is the first time that Donna is learning of his history with these women.

@steventhomas2856

7 ай бұрын

Yes. We know who they are.

@alexanderiel6950

7 ай бұрын

The entire point that the Toymaker was illustrating, is that every one of the companions died 'Because' of their association with The Doctor. With every person, The Doctor immediately tries to justify what happened to them, and how they are "ok", even though they are all dead. Which is why the Toymaker switches accents and yells "Well that's alright then". He is pointing out how The Doctor is shifting the blame off of himself.

@johnernest5843

7 ай бұрын

Another fun interpretation that people on r/gallifrey bring up is that the Toymaker is trash talking the Doctor here for LOSING his companions Because to the Toymaker, living or dying, traveling or ending, no matter what, is a constant flux (haha) between winning or losing. For him, these situations where the companions of the Doctor died is him losing a "game" since they died, regardless if they died happy or not. Either way, it's a fascinating angle to think about and shows us how to the Toymaker, it's really all about playing the game, and winning or losing

@Domihork

3 ай бұрын

Until the Doctor and notDonna talked the Flux, I just assumed that it was restored. Because Azure talked about rewinding time and watching the Flux over and over. I somehow headcannoned that they did rewind time but before the Flux could happen again, Time (the one who looked like 13th with a dark coat) killed her. Because otherwise, how could 13th just randomly go on new adventures without even talking about half of the universe just being destroyed? Surely she wouldn't. I get that RTD wants to be a goody-goody and acknowledge Chibnal's work but he this would have been so easy to retcon. And it should have been if he doesn't want 13th to look more a psychopath than she already did in some previous episodes.

Can't wait for the official soundtrack, these songs need to be heard in the best quality.

@OswinPond

7 ай бұрын

Same. I really hope we get one.

@techandtrains101

7 ай бұрын

Bothering to release soundtrack? Couldn't be Murray Gold 🙄

@DjangoCaron

7 ай бұрын

@@techandtrains101 We can always hope

I love that ba-dah-dah-dah-dah... So, so menacing. "So that's alright then!" Murray Gold is such a damn genius. Also happy that he is referencing some Segun Akinola tracks when appropriate in the storyline, the Flux theme is sort of alluded to here, and the same happens in Wild Blue Yonder (in a FAR subtler way, but it was still really really cool).

@jessehammer123

7 ай бұрын

It strongly reminds me of the score to Plan 9 From Outer Space, which I see as a good thing. I assume for Classic Who fans that means it strongly reminds them of similar constructions in the scores of old Who episodes.

@Finn_01

7 ай бұрын

I know a guy who loves Segun’s work on the show and he was freaking out when the Flux theme played

Did you notice the re-appearence of the track "UNIT Rocks"? It was a great callback.

@jadenfav6877

7 ай бұрын

yeeeeeeah

@OswinPond

7 ай бұрын

Yes it's already on the way!

@timeywimeybrony

7 ай бұрын

@@OswinPondyay! Ooh. Can you also post Fifteens theme!

@OswinPond

7 ай бұрын

​@@timeywimeybronyAlso on its way!

@wanbawmcgraw

7 ай бұрын

No I didn’t, I was hopping it would be in it but I just thought it wasn’t as I couldn’t here ut

That was strong... Thats the tragedy of companions of the Moffat's era - they all died... Yeah, they kinda made the best of it (with Amy living a full life with Rory, having a family, or Clara traveling the stars, or Bill, changing her form of life and traveling with her partner), but still it doesn't mean that the Doctor could let it go without pain.

The speed you got this out at is insane! Very impressive

While I'm not sure if it's really Amy or Bill's playing (the start sounds like the counter-melody of A Madman With A Box to me, really), it is heart-wrenching hearing such a warm and jovial theme like Clara's be driven down and unable to finish its happy dance. Good touch from Gold. I would say it seems Bill and Amy are more underscored by musical 'textures' related to them rather than their personal themes.

@OswinPond

7 ай бұрын

Amy's theme is really obvious at 0:11. It's the first notes of her theme played with similar choirs. Her adult theme tho, not her childhood theme (Amy has 2 themes) Bill I recognized it from the first note, it's straight up from series 10 type of orchestration, but I agree I don't recognize the leitmotif itself in the notes, just the S10 musical texture. Clara is the most obvious one.

@Spoot401

7 ай бұрын

​@@OswinPond Okay, the first three notes are definitely there, does the same sorta thing as Clara's theme where the last note lands 'incorrectly'. That's been pretty standard for the 60th specials scoring. Really, really subtle motifs or motifs landing differently. Wonder if that was a Gold decision or an RTD decision.

You can see how much Amy and Clara meant to him.

@Benplanes

7 ай бұрын

And bill

@ladymecha8718

7 ай бұрын

All of the Doctor’s companions means a lot to him to be fair.

@harryvideoz8863

7 ай бұрын

Bill the most because that one was his fault he took to long

@AuroraNora3

7 ай бұрын

And how little Rory meant to him I guess :/

"And then there was Rory, who died, married Amy, and then died and died and died and died until he too was touched by a Weeping Angel and died!" "He died of old age with Amy." "WELL, THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!"

Well that’s alright then!

"And und Martha.. She got married to ze sex offender! How sad, ya?"

@martinchuma

7 ай бұрын

14: "Allegedly!" Toymaker: "Well that's alright then!"

@gerrardjones28

7 ай бұрын

I'm dying 🤣🤣🤣

"WELL, THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!"

I heard claras theme, but Amys and the rest do seem quite vague and harder to hear, so im not 100% sure if its them entirely. Also, when 14 is in the helicopter, im certain they played a few notes of The Shephards Boy

@Spoot401

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm not entirely certain Amy or Bill's themes play, rather they are more musical 'textures' that evoke their times.

@DalekCaanOfSkaro

7 ай бұрын

@@Spoot401 I would agree to that

where was rory!!!!

@OswinPond

7 ай бұрын

I know right?! The Rory erasure is real haha

@Meerkat040

7 ай бұрын

@@OswinPond Hey now, lets not forget about the Nardole erasure

Love the old songs! You should do the reference to The Shepherd's Boy near the beginning of the episode, when the Doctor is on the helicopter going to unit tower

@OswinPond

7 ай бұрын

Done!

@mais_oui2301

7 ай бұрын

ah! feels so good to know I'm not the only one who noticed it. Though it was an odd moment for that theme, not epic at all haha

The fact he doesn't mention yaz shows that he's trying to paint a negative picture of the doctor in Donna's head.

@david88esteban

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, basically the Fam got all safe. I wonder if 13th can be summed like that, that Doctor tried to protect everyone around (unlike what happened before starting from 10th) but at the cost of the universe itself... Hence 14's trauma, the face where it all started.

@floralfaerie

2 ай бұрын

​@@david88estebani do love that idea, 13 kept her companions safe and uninformed and lost half the universe instead

1:30 ay hol up, is that the master vainglorious?

Little miffed how the Toymaker never mentioned my boy Rory Williams who was with Amy till his very last day on earth

I was bloody screaming at this scene

The Toymaker really knows how to push the Doctors buttons and make him angry. No wonder he gets FED UP with him soon and challenges him Go D!

Do you think you'd be able to upload the music of when they're in the Toymaker's shop? The spooky circus music, I can't find it anywhere :(

Is there another leitmotif playing behind each theme? The Shephard’s Boy? A Good Man? Gallifrey Our Childhood Our Home? Can’t put a finger on it

@OswinPond

7 ай бұрын

It's a new one but a very simple one, 5 notes descending in order, that's why it's familiar.

OH WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!

I'm so confused so you're telling me Segun Akinola couldn't use any prior motifs from other composers not even Jack's theme but Murray Gold can?

@mh6944

3 ай бұрын

Probably used a bit of that increased budget to sort the legal/rights issues.

I kinda see why Clara's was the only theme to come out properly in this. Bill's wasn't super iconic as it didn't play much and Amy's theme was always more of a choir so it's harder to notice the notes clearly. However, Clara's theme was always just a few notes of a very consistent rythmn and due to how much it got played with Clara, you recognise it way more.

What, no Rose Tyler (the best companion from Classic as well as New Who!)? ...and hers is an awesome theme, too.

I've not paid much attention to the music of the Jodie era, but is that Flux theme similar to what was used during S13/Flux?

@DoctorVision

7 ай бұрын

Funny thing is, I didn't recognise it as being the Flux theme, it sounded more like the Master's theme for a second there. So yes, shows how I zoned out during Jodie's era.

“And zhen, zhere was Yaz… who loved Freulein Doktor so much… and she DUMPED HER!” *snip* “Uh… I…” “WELL THAT’S ALL RIGHT THEN!”

Based on your channel name, I imagine this scene was quite sad for you Oswin.

@OswinPond

7 ай бұрын

The way the Toynaker says A-MY-POND kind of cheered me up :p

I loved hearing the callback to their themes. I miss those companions and I'm so glad they referenced them post-chibnal. really hilarious how the chibnal companions were skipped over. They had such little impact on the doctor.

@themonado5030

7 ай бұрын

Because non of the Chibnal era companions died.

@planetbumble5060

7 ай бұрын

Nothing tragic happened to 13's crew they all came out of it perfectly fine so theres nothing to say/

@GeneralBulldog54

7 ай бұрын

To be fair, none of RTD or Chibnall's Doctor's companions died (except for the planets affected by the Flux, the land and most of the inhabitants of Gallifrey and short, short timers like Lee and Grace). Compared with Moffat straight up offing everyone from the Ponds (Amy, Rory & River), Clara (and her various other lives), Nardole, Bill and the inhabitants of Christmas Town on Trenzelore, he was pretty brutal with 11 and 12's companions.

@gerrardjones28

7 ай бұрын

It's the doctor of course they had a big impact but none of them died

@ethandalton6480

7 ай бұрын

​@@planetbumble5060I mean Dan got left without a house, that's pretty tragic when compared to the others

These theme really should have been a bit more explicitly. They’re way too subtle

@Yickerd

7 ай бұрын

I kind of agree. I like subtly in the themes because I don’t need it to be blaring like “oh my god remember this music you loved?!?!” But I think Clara’s theme was subtle enough and short enough and using Amy’s them and Bills theme like that may have worked better. Over all I think the balance between old and new music worked pretty well in the specials but this is one area they could’ve done more with.

Wait. So, the Murray have rights to reprise Akinola's themes, but Akinola didn't have right to reprise Murray's themes? We never heard familiar sound in any melody of 13th Doctor era!

So That's Alright Then!

Bill was killed by that blue alien technically rather than cybermen!

That makes it alright then 😂

I hope that Clara returns

0:18 At least Donna doesn't know that Amy is technically his mother-in-law. That would be embarrassing!!!

@holyflutterofgod

7 ай бұрын

Oh god, Donna actually met River Song too. Donna’d probably kill him if she found out River was his next companion’s daughter.

Does this mean he was behind that the whole time?

@MrsMoores

7 ай бұрын

No, Just that the Toymaker has knowledge of it

@gerrardjones28

7 ай бұрын

@@MrsMoores makes sense, tho I remember a line something like said did you like what I set up for you which makes me thing he engineered there death mybe even a lot more than that, but who knows

@cookieface80

7 ай бұрын

"It was me Doctor, the author of all your pain."

@Arakus99

7 ай бұрын

@@gerrardjones28 The line was "I made a jigsaw out of your history. Did you like it?" RTD said in the commentary he wanted it to vaguely imply that controversial lore things like the Timeless Child or the half-human line from the McGann movie might be the Toymaker's doing, without directly saying so so you can headcanon whatever. (And honestly as silly and small a thing as it is, I do personally like it as someone who kinda dislikes Timeless Child, it feels easier to accept to me if that wasn't the Doctor's original past)

@gerrardjones28

7 ай бұрын

@@Arakus99 Yee I wasn't a big fan of the timeless child either cos I feel like it takes away what's special about the doctor so I kinda like the idea the Toymaker mixed it up Mybe it's better we just never truly know mybe he's the timeless child mybe he's a timelord mybe he's half human half timelord up to our interpretation