Go check out Torchwood Boy's final reaction, give him the love he deserves kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKSfupmbacLdddI.html

Oh one day...[I'd like to meet an alien that was not immune to bullets] you could just FEEL her channeling that line. God i love Kate.

It's pretty incredible that I've already gotten so attached to Ruby and 15th after basically one season. Like, when she said "I love you" and left the Doctor, I just broke down in tears

The doctor took dog walking to new heights 😅

@LiamCatterson

14 күн бұрын

Walkies? I would call it zoomies!

I teared up too when Ruby met her mom and left at the end, but when they showed photos of her mother, it was underwhelming. It didn't meet my expectations; I felt like, 'Oh, um, okay, that's her.'

doctor who: the doctor takes a god for a walk in the time vortex; Me: somehow not the weirdest thing this show has done

@Tconlon251_2

13 күн бұрын

Like most things, it’s no weirder than “Love & Monsters.”

Only wish he had said "Everybody lives!" When it was undone.

I'm a bit split on this finale. On the one hand, I did like that Ruby's parents were actually just normal humans, but on the the other hand, it seems like a bit of a cop out. I mean, I can buy the bit about Sutekh only believing her mum was important because Ruby and the Doctor believed as much... But, we were shown certain elements throughout the entire season that have to do with Ruby's very nature or origins (things like the snow, the carol song, the Doctor's memory of that night changing etc), which were meant to lead us to believe that she wasn't exactly a normal human. They were deliberate scriptwriting choices that made us think she was special.. And those things were never actually explained, which is a bit disappointing. We did get a few mentions of 73 Yards, more than I was expecting tbh, but they didn't exactly make this better, since again, it wasn't actually explained or important to the overall mystery. Like, it's cool that the TARDIS perception filter apparently works from that same distance, and nice touch that Ruby sort-of remembers what happened to her in the alternate timeline, but it wasn't actually important and didn't lead to anything in the end. I thought the Memory TARDIS being used and explained some more was very cool, and I also liked the idea of Sutekh latching onto the TARDIS all the way back in the 4th Doctor's era and being around for this entire time (though, it does raise a lot of questions about how he survived all this time and why he waited so long lol - like yeah, the Time War, and also 4.5 Billion years in the confession dial, 900 years on Trenzalore, decades on Earth and Darillium, and thousands of years of other adventures; including the TARDIS being destroyed a few times, going outside the universe etc). However, I do wish the solution in the end, was a bit better than just... Dragging Sutekh through the time vortex with a bit of rope. Like, yeah, I'm not really sure how or why that even worked lol. I don't have a problem with it being silly solution, as it is DW after all.. But I mean, in the internal logic of the show itself, what even made the Doctor realise that it would work? Or, if he knew all along that it could, why did he need to wait so long until so many planets were destroyed before trying it? It seemed like a bit of a last-minute solution.. Reminded me of the Last of the Time Lords ending, which I think we all know is considered RTD's worse finale for a reason. It just seems like whenever RTD gives us very high stakes, he forgets to think of a way out and consider an actual solution until the very last second, and then there's not enough screen time left to actually construct one that makes sense within the narrative, so he just finds the quickest easy fix he can and sticks with it. In this case, it was basically all just reset.. No one actually died while fighting the god of death. It makes the Toymaker and Maestro actually arguably scarier than Sutekh imo. Also, I liked the idea of an ending scene with the Doctor and Ruby, but honestly, the season wasn't long enough and didn't give us enough of them together, for me to buy that they have such a deep, unbreakable bond. It made their goodbye feel a bit overdramatic, but IDK.. maybe it's just me. I am happy that Ruby is coming back for S2, cause I do like Millie and her dynamic and chemistry with Ncuti, I just could have honestly done without the scene of them saying goodbye, or maybe replaced it with a more lighthearted one where they just decide that Ruby should have a break and stay with her family for a while. Basically, I loved the apocalyptic vibe of the episode, seeing the universe destroyed again was very reminiscent of Flux, but in a very cool way.. I liked a lot of the character moments we got (especially the sequence with Mel, the Doctor's reaction to the death wave and his scene with the random kind lady), the acting and emotional stakes.. But the story itself in terms of the mystery and overall structure, was a bit of a let down sadly.

@chaotic7cam

14 күн бұрын

You have summed up all of my thoughts perfectly.

@backtoearth1983

14 күн бұрын

Ruby is back mid season2. It's not over.

@isbammoi3358

14 күн бұрын

Gosh yes, exactly. One of my biggest pet peeves in narrative are red herrings/cop outs like this. You build up and imply stuff, your audience gets excited... only to receive a slap in the face. Every theorycrafting or whatever, just... gone. A flatness is all that's left. Basically when it feels like an author disrespects their own story it upsets me. Should I just no expect anything or get excited about whatever mysteries Dr. Who brings to the table now??? It leaves that sort of impression. But I do feel this season, this Doc, the greatest strength are the emotional moments and beats. It's really done those well (though it could stand to space it out more and not oversaturate the mood of the plot). And I really love Ruby character and her and the Doc, the dynamic is great! Though I do ALSO agree the depth of their care for one another doesn't feel quite earned because I feel like we didn't get enough time with them as well. But yeah not a hater of the season, have actually mostly enjoyed it! But it for sure has some real rough spots

@benjamindavis4974

13 күн бұрын

You watch her dad be someone massive

@micron000

13 күн бұрын

@@benjamindavis4974 I mean, it's possible.. But given RTD's comments regarding Ray's linage in Star Wars, I kinda doubt it. I think he really did just want to tell a story about the significance we give to these mysteries, while also touching on the importance of memory, how thoughts can become reality, and how normal, everyday people can be just as important (these are all themes that he's touched on before in RTD1 as well). Which, I get and it is a nice message, I just wish he would have found a way to tell it without leaving so many plot holes and unanswered questions behind lol.

Sutekh is still on the 14th doctor tardis the tardis got split makin 2 suetekh's RTD is a sligh fox 2005 ep 1 Rose, the guy clive says to rose the doctor rides with one constant companion DEATH ☠

@OnlineFanBoy

14 күн бұрын

Quite literally

@ugolomb

14 күн бұрын

It's not clear what happened when the Tardis was duplicated. Two scenarios: a) Sutekh was cloned (so one copy is still clinging to 14's Tardis); b) Sutekh attached himself to 15's Tardis, knowing that 14 was retiring and would, at most, be revisiting places he's already been to, whereas 15 would be out and about, therefore offering Sutekh more opportunities to plant acolytes

@StephanieMaireFaith

14 күн бұрын

@@ugolomb sutekh would know the doctor was going to split it untill he actually did wat would be making a second sutekh one on each tardis

@xedalpha1

14 күн бұрын

Easy way to bring him back if they want to. But given Gabriel Woolf is 91 now I think this was them putting Sutekh to bed for good

@StephanieMaireFaith

14 күн бұрын

@@xedalpha1 they might get a new actor to voice suetekh tho

Always love taking these season journeys with you liam ❤

@LiamCatterson

14 күн бұрын

Thankyou so much

16:43 - I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought "Walkies!" at that moment. :-) Thanks for the upload - I enjoyed re-watching with you!

When I tell you this episode broke me, I mean it *broke* me. On a pure story basis it wasn’t the best thing I’ve ever seen, though I did think it was quite good (because the whole point was driving home that these stories have significance because we give them significance - it was beautiful). But between my love for Ncuti’s doctor and Ruby, and some personal real life stuff, this episode did absolutely destroy me 😭🥹

@LiamCatterson

14 күн бұрын

I wasn't expecting to get teary eyed with the encounter between Ruby and her normal, human mother. It was beautiful.

@angelinaduvallcameron

13 күн бұрын

Think about this, we either love this story or don’t. So it can be the greatest story ever told, that somehow in the future becomes a legend, just like Ruby’s mom, or if you hate it then it becomes silence like death. Only we give it significance or death. The same is for Ruby’s mom. Sutekhwas looking for family and wanted Ruby’s mom to be one of his pantheon that he could destroy on top of destroying the world. At least that is my thoughts.

They leave. Because they should or because they find someone else. And some of them, some of them... forget me. I suppose in the end, they break my heart.

@LiamCatterson

12 күн бұрын

Not the quote callback 😭

I think they made the right decision in having Ruby's mum just a normal person rather than a god, or the impossible girl like Clara. At least as well we got some answers to the buildup, even if not totally liked. I do think though that the series suffered from being only 8 episodes, it seems far too early for us to see Goodbye to Ruby, even if we do see her next season. To me I enjoyed the episode more 2nd time out compared to the first time.

@LiamCatterson

14 күн бұрын

Yeah, I mean if they were going to make it 8 episodes, the least we could ask would be for hour long episodes but hey ho.

Who would've thought that the "vocabulary of rope" (and the mavity gloves) would come back like this? Leashing, Sute. And forcing him to heel 😂

18:04 I think you must be onto something I didn’t get it at first but now I do ,no wonder he’s the timeless child he’s been the child of life all along long before he was dropped from the wormhole and now he’s the god of life this must be the true power of the timeless child because the god of life means the doctor having the power of regeneration ,having endless lives. So that’s the idea. THE ONE OF WAITS HAS MET HIS OWN END ONCE AND FOR ALL!

@lichcoin6144

14 күн бұрын

Agreed but now I wonder if Sutekh was effecively cloned when the TARDIS was cloned in The Giggle and hanging on as we speak.

@kaizoisevil

14 күн бұрын

@@lichcoin6144I doubt it. The toy maker said he was not as powerful as the one who waits, so I don’t think he’d have the power to clone the one who waits.

With all the cosplaying of different companions Mrs Flood is doing, I know it's never the Rani... but maybe this time it's the Rani 😅

@LiamCatterson

12 күн бұрын

I mean the Rani did cosplay as Mel once upon a time ago. And I want to soak in the hopium

I liked this much more on a second viewing. Kind of ruined the first one hoping constsntly for Susan and Mrs Flood reveals as opposed to what was actually happening on screen. My fave Mel appearence by far. Loved them beating a god with a whistle and a bungee rope. So brilliantly Dr Who in its silliness. And the reunion was so raw and Mrs Flood ending it like that...nice.

I really think it was stupid to offer Susan Triad a job. What they should have offered her is a contract. She owns a tech company, after all, and is a computer genius herself; she's already supplied them with technology (we know that from The Giggle); so why not use that resource? Obviously in a restricted way, but it's not fundamentally different from companies in the real world doing classified work for defense ministries etc.

@LiamCatterson

14 күн бұрын

Tbh UNIT are hiring anyone these days even kids

@serenity4eva89

14 күн бұрын

​@@LiamCatterson And even Morris' mini-segway had weapons like Shirley's wheelchair 😬

most criticisms i've seen of this ending make little sense, the entire season has been about perception and the whole memory = time thing, and Sutekh achieved godhood the same way Rose Tyler did, which connects with that. With all of that in mind, it makes perfect sense that an ordinary woman being perceived as important is enough to make her invisible to him AND enough to make the memory of that day create both snowfall and music. It’s not a sudden twist, it’s been built up from the start pretty clearly. And yeah, RTD said we'd get definitive proof 15's TARDIS was the original, and here it is. Yeah Sutekh would have seen himself during events like Day of the Doctor, but there's no reason to think a copy of the TARDIS like the one 14 got would get an extra death god too

I've watched Dr Who for 50 years (The Time Warrior, 1974, was my first) and I love it all for the ride. Some make the mistake of worrying about what they would have liked to have happen instead, or plot devices they didn't care for. That's missing the point. Enjoy the ride, good and bad for what it is or don't and get a life elsewhere. For me, season, well, I think of it as season 40 because it directly references season 13 (1975-76) so how could it not be, has been a super season. Emotion, drama and a pile of nonsense. What's not to like.

Now we have two sutekh in Tardis 14 and Tardis 15.

@LiamCatterson

12 күн бұрын

I think 15 knocked Sutekh from 14’s TARDIS to 15, it wouldn’t be like Day of the Doctor 😅

I also like the reveal. And when I remind all theories about Ruby's mother... I am glad with what we got. All other theories didn't make much sense tbh.

I hope Mrs flood is not the Rani, or the Master/mistress

@LiamCatterson

10 күн бұрын

I will be the most annoying asshole on social media if she is

I'm annoyed at feeling duped, BUT, I enjoyed a lot about this episode even though it had weak points. The emotional bits hit nice. I'm terrified by whatever the hell the end means. LADY WHO ARE YOU LMAOO

I saw someone point out the fact that Mrs. Flood’s outfit at the end looks very similar to one of Romana’s outfits

@LiamCatterson

14 күн бұрын

I feel with her emulating Clara last episode and her emulating Romana 1 this episode, this isn't a coincidence...

@serenity4eva89

14 күн бұрын

​@@LiamCatterson The way I lost my shit when Mrs Flood called the Doctor "Clever boy" like Clara used to

@charg1nmalaz0r51

13 күн бұрын

Why are you doing this to yourself, RTD has literally showed you in this season that he will tease shit to confuse you and make you think its something it isn't and you are doing the same thing all over again. It is not Romana, it is not Clara, it is not the white guardian, it is not River Song

@LiamCatterson

13 күн бұрын

Nobody is saying she is Clara or Romana or whoever else. The point made is she is choosing attires based on what companions have worn and it's not a coincidence.

@serenity4eva89

13 күн бұрын

​@@charg1nmalaz0r51 Bruh, we're just pointing out that Mrs Flood has a companion fetish 😂

mrs flood in the end wearing an outfit similar to romana and before she was wearing an outfit similar to clara and she also said that clever boy as run you clever boy???

19:53 you and me both.

Basic Christmas special info (title, writer, guest star) below Click if you want to know "Joy to the World" by Steven Moffat, guest starring Nicola Coughlan

@LiamCatterson

13 күн бұрын

Yeah, I knew that :P It's the world's worst kept secret

@ftde1

13 күн бұрын

@@LiamCatterson And you might have said so in a previous reaction, but I have seen too many reactors to keep track. 😁

Well I'm back with my theories. We know Ruby's story is not done. Though I do think RTD dropped the ball in communicating that leaving people frustrated. MY takeaways... Ruby herself has a perception filter as hinted in dialogue. Why did the Doctor not want Ruby to talk to her mother (out of character). Is she really Ruby's mother or is a plot a foot. Is Ruby's father related ot Mad Jack (Ap Gwilliam (of William) Her father's name is William. With the reveal that 73 yards is the range of a perception filter when it becomes more apparent that old Ruby (Jack's Herald) wasn't telling people terrible things, she was showing them terrible things, they all look directly at Ruby before they freak out. Does standing at the very edge of the perception filter cause it's effect to sort of glitch and you see what's really real? Finding Ruby's mother was far too easy, and none of Maestro or Sutekh's dialogue work if she is just some random teen mom. For a few scenes I was almost convinced UNIT set up a fake mom just to make Ruby stop looking for now

This episode

I don’t think that’s truly the end of Sutekh, but I don’t want them bringing him back for a very long time. What makes villains like that special is that they rarely strike, but when they do, the stakes are super high. So maybe they’ll bring him back in another 40 years.

@LiamCatterson

14 күн бұрын

See, I don't see them bringing him back at all...Then again, Big Finish has the habit of bringing him back in 3 years so....

Mrs flood wear white cloak look exactly like romana's cloak do you think she is her it be a puzzle piece a hint to the Story

@LiamCatterson

12 күн бұрын

No. She wore a shirt similar to Clara too so unless Clara is Romana is Mrs Flood, it’s highly doubtful

liked it millie was fantastic and ncuti was awesome too really enjoying him as 15 roll on series 15

I wonder if this means Gallifrey is now back from the dead.

@LiamCatterson

14 күн бұрын

Naah, I see it moreso as the Reverse Snap. It doesn't undo all death that has happened, just the one that happened under Sutekh's [Thanos'] hand (and it wouldn't be farfetched since RTD based Ruby's mom on the Rey situation in SW)

@charg1nmalaz0r51

13 күн бұрын

@@LiamCatterson Yeah but the plot evolves around sutekh planting a s.triad on every planet/time he had ever landed. So technically that includes galifrey so you could if you twist your brain a little make galifrey come back to life it you try hard enough.

@LiamCatterson

13 күн бұрын

Not on the YT version but I think I made a mention of Gallifrey being affected, that it was already messed up, it's a case of "How can it get worse than this" and then this episode happened xD Sadly, I think when Gallifrey was restored, it would be restored to the lifeless planet we saw in the S12 Finale

This finale for me was very underwhelming and disappointing like Sutekh was defeated way too easily dues ex machina wanted to see more devastation Ruby’s mom reveal was a bit of a letdown after so much emphasis on it , I get what they were going for & union was beautiful but why did it snow if it she was ordinary? This could have easily been part 2 of a 3 parter Although loved Mel’s inculcation into this adventure and her reaction to Six ‘s costume!!

@chaotic7cam

14 күн бұрын

This. I actually bothered to watch Pyramids of Mars as I was expecting this huge showdown where they’d need everything they can get to help trap him again. But he was defeated quickly in one episode… I really wish the battle was split into several parts, I think it could have helped a lot. We didn’t even get much of the villain at all last episode before this.

22:04 I think "underwhelmed" is a good way to describe my feelings on the episode at the moment. Well, maybe more negative than that. It's not a terrible episode, really, but Sutekh was defeated fairly quickly and pretty much everything about Ruby's mom was nonsensical. She's so important that Sutekh was obsessed with her identity. But she's also just a random person. Her identity was hidden from the Doctor in 2004, from UNIT in 2024, and from Sutekh. But then they find her just-like-that in this episode. She gave Ruby her name by pointing at the signpost, but no one saw her do that (except the Doctor, who did not name her). The social workers made their own decision to name the baby after the road. They're shown the snow ability several times including in this two-parter. But if Ruby and her mom are both normal humans then where does that come from?

@ugolomb

14 күн бұрын

Gwilliam didn't stay in office long enough in the 73 Yards timeline to enact the mandatory-DNA-testing policy; it's not even clear whether he got as far as announcing it. Otherwise, I agree with many of your points

@sorenfarley

14 күн бұрын

Doc landed, so she had someone who would see her point.

@theadamabrams

14 күн бұрын

@@ugolomb Ok, that's a good point. Thanks! I've edited my top-level comment to remove the reference to the "73 Yards" DNA testing.

@MrEtherlord

14 күн бұрын

​@@ugolomb 73 yards is a different timeline. Roger was Mad Jack there and planned to fire nukes.

I don't like the ratings for the new season. Do you think the series needs a temporary break?

@LiamCatterson

14 күн бұрын

If you're talking viewer raitings, the ratings debate is as pointless as Ferrari in Canada 2024. No, it does not need a break. No, it's not dying and viewing figures, especially with the move to iPlayer which people like me will watch over the TV broadcast is unreliable. The Seven Day rating results just showed Rogue did pretty neat.

@charg1nmalaz0r51

13 күн бұрын

@@LiamCatterson The iplayer ratings and the 7 day ratings are not even reaching the viewing figures of the overnights. Especially the iplayer, its only getting like 700 000 viewers. It is pretty much DOA this season.

Some great bits held together, I'm sorry to say, by a plot that didn't make a lick of sense. Things happen just because they can. How does Ruby make it snow? Because people think she's significant? Um, what?

@LiamCatterson

14 күн бұрын

I have heard things potentially point to the fact that might get answered next season with Millie appearing, we haven’t seen her dad yet. But we shall see

@lichcoin6144

14 күн бұрын

​@@LiamCattersonTrue. She has more apperances confirmed.

I found it disappointing that we've had all this build up for 6 months about who her mum was, why she did it, who could she possibly be thats so important? And it turns out to be just a random Jane Doe down the street...even Davina could find no trace at all of this woman, surely that now doesn't make any sense whatsoever as she would have medical records! Its just a disappointing ending but a good review Liam :)

@chaotic7cam

14 күн бұрын

Good point with the medical records. Unless Ruby’s mom had never once had her blood drawn in her entire life, the DNA thing in the future makes 0 sense. If she’s human and it was 2024 there’s no excuse to not being able to find her. Privacy these days is nearly non-existent.

I think I hate this episode.

@Philmaster07

14 күн бұрын

why?

@ninjabluefyre3815

14 күн бұрын

I think you hate this episode too.

@theadamabrams

14 күн бұрын

@@Philmaster07 Idk ThePonderer's reasons, but I can give some options: • Sutekh is defeated just by dragging him through the Time Vortex. • Sutekh secretly clinging to the TARDIS for so long is very strange when you consider other episodes. Was he on the House asteroid outside the Universe in 6x04? Was he wrapped around the giant TARDIS on Trenzalore in 7x13? Did he shrink in 8x09? • Ruby's mom was so important that Sutekh is obsessed with finding her, she was wearing this mysterious cloak that hid her face from UNIT and from Sutekh himself, but she's also just a random human. One they actually find very easily in the end. • The pointing was "naming Ruby" but no one else saw her do that except the Doctor, who did not name her. The social workers, etc., made the choice to name her after the road totally separately from the mom's creepy pointing.

@Philmaster07

14 күн бұрын

@@theadamabrams the first 3 I can agree with. But DW always retconned itself that is such a DW or NewWho thing to do. The last 2 i think I have an explanation The power of belief (i call it like that) was so strong that it emanated so strong, that it became so powerful that sutekh was interested in it. Not everything has to be "big" or an "important thing" only because we think its important. I think that was the message. The last point we do not now, only because we saw nobody, does this mean there was nobody? there was the doctor, he could also forwarded it in an offscreen moment? who knows

@sorenfarley

14 күн бұрын

​@@theadamabramsTo your point (pun intended) to her mum's point, "no one was there" the Doctor was there, clearly in front of her. That's why the memory changed, Doc arrived and so she had someone who would see her point.

Wot a lot of shit that was

Dreadful story, full of holes and ruining a classic villain with a ridiculous excuse for how he survived. And then there was the awful CGI version of Sutekh himself...

You can react to some fan films, e.g., Confused Adipose 😊 while waiting for Christmas special. Ps. Missing Torchwood boy