Do I need a 450? No Do I want a 450? Yes

@enduroridernw

4 жыл бұрын

I love my 250 on single track. I love my 450 in the dunes.

@peyton6493

4 жыл бұрын

Do i need a 450? No Do i have a 450? Yes Has it cleaned my plate? Yes Dies it hurt after every track day? Yes In conclusion do you still want it? Yes🤣🤘🏼

@lathenhornback003

3 жыл бұрын

@Ernesto Lopez heck no stay on at 85 until you’re 5’5” 5’6” and 13 or older and idk how much you Way but if you’re even 140 pounds it will still pull you around just fine

@lathenhornback003

3 жыл бұрын

@Ernesto Lopez I know somebody on a KX 100 oh is 5’8” and rips it

@lathenhornback003

3 жыл бұрын

@Ernesto Lopez man from a racer standpoint I would definitely stay on the 85 I am 14 and 5’6” and everybody’s telling me to stay on my 85 for longer if you can stay on the 85 you Will learn how to use every bit of power out of the bike

Every time I crack the throttle on my 450 bald eagles fly outta the exhaust.

@DirtBikeChannel

7 жыл бұрын

This is the best comment of the week.

@DirtBikeChannel

7 жыл бұрын

This is such a good comment, I want to send you a shirt. Email me at kyle@dirtbikechannel.com with a shipping address and your shirt size (if you want to), and I'll see about sending one to you free of charge.

@kylekranz38

7 жыл бұрын

Dirt Bike Channel haha thanks i appreciate it (though I'm a 2 stroke guy at heart).

@redriders7149

6 жыл бұрын

STANKDOG best reply yet!!! Lol, you can just see liberty and justice for all flying out of your tail pipe lmao!! Nice.

@johnd9581

4 жыл бұрын

Best comment I have ever seen on KZread!

Do I need a 450: no Do I like to test my luck: yes

@victorDH96

4 жыл бұрын

TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU XD

@CoilBoyRunning

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

I used to think power was king in all conditions till a 120lb 15 year old passed me in a rock bed on the back tire riding a ‘98 YZ125. I sold the 450 and joined Weight Watchers 😂

With dirt bikes it isn't about what you need, it's about what you want.

@muddpuppie226

8 жыл бұрын

Very true

@DirtBikeChannel

8 жыл бұрын

You certainly have a point. Can't argue that one with you :)

@CustomcrowdMitroc

8 жыл бұрын

its about how good you are i see people with 100cc bikes are faster than i am on my 150cc its because there better at riding

@CustomcrowdMitroc

8 жыл бұрын

size dosent matter its the way you use it

@pauldayton5285

4 жыл бұрын

@@CustomcrowdMitroc I'd agree in most case's size doesn't much matter but out in the dunes there's no replacement for displacement.

do you really need a 700hp rwd car? do you really need a supermodel wife?

@Okipouros

7 жыл бұрын

no/yes you are asking the real questions here

@bryanc447

7 жыл бұрын

austin_mopar yes

@endurotruckererniedesjardins

6 жыл бұрын

My wife was a model and my superduty is 625hp at the back wheels. 250 n 500 2 strokes are the only way. . Did i mention my sportsman 1000xp is on 30s and over 100hp lol

@allthehandlesweretaken

6 жыл бұрын

do i really need to answer that?

@Tekvicious

6 жыл бұрын

ALL are HIGH MAINTENANCE. ;)

Do I really need a gf when I have my hand?

@illhaveanother4365

3 жыл бұрын

No

@darrinyo-mamakimble7002

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, that’s funny because...

@1Chinx

3 жыл бұрын

No 😂

@1Chinx

3 жыл бұрын

Type and jerk just type and jerk

@vponz2237

3 жыл бұрын

Lmfaooo

You don't NEED 90% of the shit you have, but life isn't about having the bare minimum. You should understand that concept wearing a BCM hat.

@kevinking1750

3 жыл бұрын

Hellyeah! Thats why I built a gucci Recce 14 instead of some off the shelf M&P15.

@rileypeak3196

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinking1750 solid choice 🤙

@lukefish7562

3 жыл бұрын

Ha, I didn’t even notice the hat. I rock my LWRC Xiphos SBR while on my bike just in case I run into trouble. Jk. 😆Maybe the only time I don’t have it. 🙂

@sweetbabytrae

2 жыл бұрын

BCM is the bare minimum ;)

250 2 strokes are the sweet spot for me! Light, flickable, lugable, powerful.

@chases5233

7 жыл бұрын

Andrew Cameron I totally agree with the 2 stroke part I am 13 and racing a yz 85 I don't ever want a four stroke love that power band

@jordantdwp

7 жыл бұрын

yeah but if you dont need the power of the 450 you dont need the power of a 250 2 stroke lol but i got one its a 09 yz250 i looked up the specs and it stock compared to a stock 450 is only a difference of 3 hp

@RideForLifeCR250R

7 жыл бұрын

Andrew Cameron I whole heartedly agree. Sure I have a 450R but I will always have my 2nd Gen AF CR250R.

@mattpettit6638

7 жыл бұрын

No. I have had so much fun on my CR 250X. My son and I just enjoy messing around and I'm 46 and would love to see 47. Hahahahaha!

@NoStress90s

7 жыл бұрын

3 hp must make a world of a difference, I smoke every single 250 smoker that's tried to go up against me at the local tt track lol yz450f this thing is insane. I stopped riding my cr250 because it feels like a 125 now, either way 250s are still fun

Another reason why you see a lot of 450's is because you do not have to rebuild them near as offten as the 250f.

@dougiequick1

5 жыл бұрын

THAT is a totally legitimate observation! Back when all the capable dirt bikeswere 2 strokes it was common knowledge that 125 top ends lasted nowhere near as long as 250s which lasted nowhere near as long as 500s...125s had to be ridden "on the pipe" revving their guts out whereas someone would have to REALLY REALLY be talented to do that with the 250 while no mere mortals could do it with a 500 ...hence the 500 top ends (properly maintained) lasted like forever! .....same applies to 4 strokes .... in the dirt ...not many are going to flailing a 450 dirt bike like it's a 125! Not for long anyway....short bursts is all

@dougiequick1

5 жыл бұрын

I learned about displacement with my first bike. I bought a brand new Yamaha175 enduro when I was 15. It was mildly tuned street legal. My friend had a Yamaha 125 MX built on identical platform....his had a big carb, an expansion chamber and close ratio transmission ....he boasted his bike would be way faster than mine ...at first that was true but once I took all the street crap off my bike and learned to ride? I could just barely beat him...which pissed him off no doubt. 50cc more than made up for 2mm less carb and milder porting...plus my bike (I imagine) was easier to ride...I just kicked myself for not buying the 175mx! Identical in every respect but color to the 125mx except for 50cc! (bigger bore/piston).....I love me some displacement!

@notrealy180217

5 жыл бұрын

This is literally the only reason I wanted a 450. I know for a fact that I can beat a beginner on a 450 on my 250f

@danielnewman3441

5 жыл бұрын

@@dougiequick1 yes but you can do a top end on a 125 for $100 in 20 min. not an issue. Stay on the pipe. Lol

@mrsnow4444

3 жыл бұрын

ikr

My first bike was a yz450f I regret nothing

@ThirdLegGregg

5 жыл бұрын

Im in the same boat but it's a been made street legal so we're probably doing different riding

@MxMax-iu9dt

5 жыл бұрын

I’m 5”8 would I fit on it

@dougiequick1

5 жыл бұрын

@@MxMax-iu9dt they mean without training wheels

@MxMax-iu9dt

5 жыл бұрын

Dougie Quick I mean everyone can fit on one, just it suits different heights of different people

@notrealy180217

5 жыл бұрын

If you can do a wheelie in 2-3rd gear on a 250f, I don't see the point. I want more power during some things, but the lack of control on single track that 450 owners get is pathetic.

1 word dunes.

@willyd4850

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely......was gonna say the same.

@Schyler__Parker

4 жыл бұрын

Willy D what is that suppose to mean? Do you need a 450 in the dunes over a 250 or 250 over a 450? I’m going to the dunes for the first time and I have a newer 450f

@Swayze1997

4 жыл бұрын

Schyler Parker 450 has more lower to mid end torque which will help you in the sand.

@joshuacrews2638

3 жыл бұрын

Hey what up stay in tune to fly off in to set still into

@joshuacrews2638

3 жыл бұрын

@@Swayze1997 hey you to drop down.grap blue up I to still stick wood floors down ram up rpm to flights stars on 450 go off to drop down grind to sparks fly off this two bike rides slide to clay stuck into the side off to see bring set something to glue to the bikes to trim up the clear was off to clean the we sale good bike to ride to work into the side off come clean off this ssldof bikes to produce to high product to sale clean new on site of to grap to choice of sale colors of mine black white to tip of wire in to see mix up pile up higher

Yeah, I know I can't use all the power of my 450, but then again I'm just a weekend warrior and I like to have the torgue. I don't really care whether or not I'll be able to use all the power of the bike, rather I just want to have fun and the 450 makes jumping and cornering a lot easier with the rubber band like power. I'd probably be tiny bit faster on a smaller displacement bike, but my cardio is so shit anyways that it won't really matter after 3 laps. :D Also the 450 needs a little bit less maintenance on the engine than smaller displacement bikes, especially since I can go pretty fast on it even with half throttle. If I had the money I'd also get a 350f and a 125 or 150, but having a limited budget sucks.

@mrmrstdeetee2664

6 жыл бұрын

You summed it up champ. The power is good regardless of if you need it, less maintenance and who cares. We'd all have another bike if we could afford it.

@martinshaw4676

6 жыл бұрын

im exactly the same weekend hobby. first ever motorcross bike and still love the thing 2006 kx450f. i used to marshall at my local track and the only bikes i ever saw blow were 250's as they are revved all the way just to get over the jumps.

@jonaskonrad

5 жыл бұрын

Too much power is the worst one can have. You will probably never learn how to ride properly.

@chucspe

5 жыл бұрын

As a 230# Rider I totally agree with this. I have a 250f and a 300xc. I'm faster on the 250f, but I'm winding it out so much harder

@frogman7806

3 жыл бұрын

im 6'3 at 250lbs and i ride a yam TTR 250 and i can fly on it like nothing else, i have mastered the machine better than most

I grew up riding but took about a 6 year break due to financial situation. When I came back recently I looked up videos like this to see which would suit me better 250f or 450f and all these videos said the same thing “no one needs a 450” but after buying my 250f I realized it wasn’t enough for me and I was out growing it soon after getting back into riding. I ended up getting a 450f and they in my opinion are waaaaay better and not much different. I’d recommend a 450 over a 250 if you know how to ride somewhat

@snowingpython8196

2 жыл бұрын

This guy is basing his opinions as facts and it’s annoying, he said “you guys can’t take the fact you can’t handle these three number” like many many can my guy you are one that can’t 😂

@malachigrey4895

29 күн бұрын

Too soon to tell but I come from a background of two wheels and skill activities. Got my first bike, husy 450 this past weekend. It’s fast but I don’t think I’m going to take myself out with it. Still haven’t had the need to wring it all the way out either but I should know if I screwed up or not within a month or so

Bro I just saw a video of a GSX-R1000 swap on a dirtbike and it looks fun as hell!!!

@revhead9897

5 жыл бұрын

STF gang

@tannerbarber9833

3 жыл бұрын

I choose life

@wjah55

3 жыл бұрын

@@tannerbarber9833 😂

@bennyturbo1409

3 жыл бұрын

A guy I work with, his twin broth out the GSX-R 1000 motor in a hill climbing bike.

Kyle, you could have focused on facts a bit more: how 4 strokes 'wear' weight higher up, wet weights for 450 4 stroke versus 250 2 stroke, how hard it is to pickup a downed 450 on an off camber trail, torque curves, suspension etc. Focusing on "do you need the extra power" always falls short.

yes, on a track you dont need a 450 nessisarily, but on open trails its alot nicer to have a 450

Yea, but if you wanna turn it into a Dual Sport, the 450 is needed for the road.

@yeahwerepthesamesmartech7113

8 жыл бұрын

lol I ride dirtbike, all kinds mainly 450s but man ur right u need a big bike for the road.. I tried my buddies 2012 cbr125... wow just wow soo gutless its not even funny

@pf6819

8 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I'm a total noob in the dirt and would probably be better off with a 250 but I ride on the street 90% of the time.

@MrGlennz0r

8 жыл бұрын

then get a road bike

@yeahwerepthesamesmartech7113

8 жыл бұрын

+PF68 lol

@markorad

8 жыл бұрын

PF68 Yea, but you can't take that one on the dirt

Im going to pick up a yz450 tomorrow:) its my first bike... Edit: so after looking at a 426 I realized no way I’m learning on this so I bought a ttr125l for 1700 sold it in a month then bought a 2006 yz250f for 1850 then 3 months later I bought a 2006 r6 for 3400 at 15, I’m 16 now.

@gusthebus2542

5 жыл бұрын

@@poketbike6488 hahah I'm 15 and I ride a 450

@gusthebus2542

5 жыл бұрын

I also have no idea what I'm doing lol I figured I wanted somthing I wouldnt out grow

@polar2737

5 жыл бұрын

Gus The Bus how much did it cost ?

@gusthebus2542

5 жыл бұрын

@@polar2737 I paid 2450, and 100 for a title transfer

@bbllaakkeeee

4 жыл бұрын

Gus The Bus you‘d outgrow a 850 if they had them. After a few years you’ll see a model drop that you can’t live without. Regardless once you get to big bikes, It doesn’t matter. Everything you can do with a 450 on the track, you can do with a 250 and you’ll be much more comfortable doing so.

I agree, modern 450 4-strokes are beastly bikes with tremendous power. But you can't compare the showroom models (the 450s that normal people ride) with the factory equipment ridden by Dungey, Roczen and Webb. They have "those three numbers" but they are definitely not the same. When shopping for my 450, I made sure to get a fuel-injected model (2016 WR450F) that can be tuned / detuned for the conditions. When detuned, it kinda sucks not having 100% power but also it is very helpful to have progressive power delivery when trying to navigate tight single track. Also, I am big (6'2", 250 lb.) and while the injected 450 is still a handful, the big bike suits my size well. I'll never be able to use all the power but of course it's not often that I have it wide open. And since I'm rarely pushing this 450 to its limits, it is reasonable to expect it to last longer than a 250 being wrung out on a regular basis. Finally, yes ego plays a part. The 450 thumpers are SO badass! But this time I decided to treat myself -- this is the first really nice, really modern bike I've ever owned and I'm enjoying it quite a lot. I come from a 1984 XR500R, 1995 XR250R, 1999 YZ400F and a 2003 XR400R. None of these bikes are modern but some of them are big and powerful... the XR500R was a beast and the YZF was a handful too. So I'm used to bigger bikes with good power, and I believed with my size and riding experience that I'd do pretty well on an injected 450. And I am! :D EDIT: I would have bought a 350F if there was an affordable used one on the market that does everything I need. This "sweet spot" between a 250 and 450 really deserves more attention from manufacturers. I'm convinced they would sell a zillion 350s if they would listen to the market and produce a good one at a fair price.

This video makes me want a 500 2 stroke

@cdub2453

8 жыл бұрын

2 stroke for life

I think part of the popularity of the 450s is the showroom floor. You see a WR250F next to a WR450F. $8k vs $9k sticker price, and 13lbs different. You have to know you want a 250 to not just automatically get the 450. I think a 450 dual sport makes a lot of sense, but it seems like everyone's just making 250 dual sports instead.

@DirtBikeChannel

7 жыл бұрын

Good points.

@backwoodsriders1879

6 жыл бұрын

I got a 390 dual sport. Almost more power than I need

@longboardguy

6 жыл бұрын

Nicoya true. You know here at a lot of dealers tho the 450 is the cheaper one they want premiums for 250's a lot of guys don't think or are afraid to get the 450. I think anyways because I've seen some much better deals on 450's

One thing you're missing is that riding at altitude you lose 3 percent of your horsepower for every 1000 feet of elevation, at 9 k ft you're down 27 percent of your hp, that's why bigger is sometimes better

I have a 2015 WR450 and love it. I went to Costa Rica last summer and got on the same bike and commenced to taking soil samples. The next day my guide put me on a 2013 WR250. What a huge difference! I stayed on it for the rest of the trip and did much better. I learned a lot too. I like the 450 for more open riding and I love the ridiculous torque on hillclimbs. But I think you hit it spot on in this video. Modern 250 bikes are just a ton of fun to ride on the trails and I never had a problem getting up a mountain in Costa Rica. I'm a 250 lb rider and if I did it again I would get a 250. Great video!

You don't need it... You want it

@DirtBikeChannel

7 жыл бұрын

Lots of guys can relate, for sure.

I'm not too proud to admit that my 2016 YZ450FX has more power than I need. But I have had several 250 four strokes that needed constant valve attention due to running them hard to extract that power, revving to the moon. I do agree that beginners and novices have no good reason to buy a 450.

@devinthompson5656

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Just keep hurting the 250f's so 450 was the answer in order to have reliability.

@TheKde25

5 жыл бұрын

I'm 6ft2 and 280lbs been riding bikes since I was 8 years old, but have had a few years off the Motocross, what should I be getting for a bit of track riding and a bit of off road trails??

@rot_v

5 жыл бұрын

Kieran Evans YZ250X/FX or the KTM EXC/XC series would be great

@lelandrebic192

4 жыл бұрын

Blasphemy

I just like rolling the throttle and working the low end of the power. I also love how long lasting the engines are because of this. I've ridden 250cc four strokes but didn't care for the way they develope their power.

im 120-130 pounds 15 years old I ride a yz450f Very similar to the riding kyle does.. Ill tell you i LOVE IT!! your never lacking power no mater how slow or fast your going... Its got power in the low revs all the way to high rpms When going through technical rocky bits Its SO! incredibly easy. You let it idle along with no throttle and the bike does all the work. I just hang on and stear it. Its got so much bottom end and the suspension is great it goes climbs up and over with ease. And Yes it feels heavy when your going slow through technical parts. But the handling on motocross bikes is awesome. Though it definitely can be TOO much power. you hit a rock unexpectedly and get whiskey throttle then its a problem

i ride a crf250r BUT I NEED A 450 FOR WHEN IM RIDING AROUND TRYNA GET TO TRAILS N POLICE WANNA CHASE

@strobe-minecraftandmore5106

8 жыл бұрын

hahaha

@cameronvajda9734

8 жыл бұрын

I need to upgrade my yz250f to keep up to my friends on there 450's!!

@dariuspavlich6575

8 жыл бұрын

get urself a yz or cr 250 (2stroke) if u don't have a disposable income 2 strokes are for u and really a 250 2 stoke vs a 450 4 stroke motor to motor are comparable power wise.

@cameronvajda9734

8 жыл бұрын

I got the money for a 450, just need to make sure I can really rip my 250 before jumping on a 450, could'nt do a 2 Stoke anyway not my thing

@jameswhittington599

8 жыл бұрын

+Cameron Vajda No, u need to increase skills. I'd say ur friends with 450s try to make up speed with power instead of skill. Most of the time, a rider with skill, can ride just as fast as a guy not as skilled, bit with bigger bikes. get ur skills down, and u might even blow them away

it's always more fun and exciting riding a less powerful bike flat out than riding a powerful bike slower

@DirtBikeChannel

8 жыл бұрын

+Keith Swales I couldn't say it better myself.

@danybarceloux7950

8 жыл бұрын

totally agree.... again and again.... what a good video from you mate

@DirtBikeChannel

8 жыл бұрын

+Dany Barceloux Thanks for the support Dany.

@dakotanewman4443

8 жыл бұрын

+Keith Swales It is easier to ride a smaller cc but sometimes its fun to ride a bigger bike. The power from my dads cr500 actually allows my to ride with more confidence sometimes because of the extra torque compared to my yz125.

@Cervan

7 жыл бұрын

id disagree, last night i rode my friends crf150 flat out on a sandy trail with a ton of whoops and jumps that i could easily cruise through on my wr426 going much faster. after i was done with the 150, i was extremely wore out, the suspension was bottoming out on every jump and there was a dead zone between 2nd and 3rd where the engine didnt have enough power to keep speed in 3rd but was sitting on the limiter in 2nd. was it fun? hell yeah. was it better than my wr426? not by a long shot, especially if you ride for long periods of time or are racing.

sounds like my wife, do really need that doughnut? well fkn duh! YEEES!

450s are for old guys with massive beer gut so it can lug them up a hill without stalling

@OhioPrepperOne

5 жыл бұрын

Can’t I do that on a CRF250L without stalling?

@JohnDoe-xf8nr

5 жыл бұрын

Depends on the size of the beer gut 😂😂😂

The most likely reason why there are more 450cc 4 strokes is because the price difference between the 250cc vs 450cc is usually only $1,500.00. Which is a small price difference and in return you are getting more horsepower and yes you have to learn to control the throttle more so than 250cc.

@explorewithmarcus

8 жыл бұрын

+Dale MacDonald Exactly...

@ThatSB

7 жыл бұрын

Dale MacDonald the reason the 450 is popular and the 250 2 stroke is popular is because it is the standard of professional motorcross

Agreed... We need to bring back the bigger bore 2 strokes Ktm/Husky etc. 350-380cc oil injection, electronic power valve, latest fuel injection, anti-vibration built into the bike.. Look at the latest snowmobiles they have all of that just saying thanks

@jameschristie1738

8 жыл бұрын

still a 300 but the new betas have oil injection

@plumbit111

8 жыл бұрын

+James Christie Have you ever owned a ktm 380 300cc ktm's fall flat in the middle of the power band they can do a lot better!

@curtarama

8 жыл бұрын

+plumbit111 I agree with that. Fortunately the KTM has a lot of tuning options to help with the power band, like the powervalve. Although dynojet info online shows the softer powervalve springs making the most power, they make the middle power band feel very flat to me. I have been using the stock(middle) spring now with 3 turns of pre load and have found it helps the middle tremendously, but at the expense of max power.

I’m 60. My first dirt bike since my 1978 RM 125? A 1999 Yamaha WR 400. 38 years since my last ride in the dirt. Three years on and I wouldn’t have anything else. I have test ridden the new lighter and smaller displacement Huskys and KTM’s and I still prefer the solidity and torque of the WR. I’m 185 lbs. and I do several enduro events every season and also about 600 miles of knarly rocky trails in cottage country in northern Ontario every summer. My WR is geared up and will easily do 100mph...on dirt roads. It’s a blast. I just like how easy and under stressed it goes about its business. I also love the 4.7 litre V8 in my Toyota 4 Runner. A two litre turbo pisspot? In an SUV? You can have it. You’ll have to pry my 450 from my cold dead fingers!

Thank you so much for making this vid! Im one of those teenagers that wanted a 450... im gonna squeeze all i can out of my 2008 yz250f

"Do you really need a 500 two stroke?"

@DirtBikeChannel

8 жыл бұрын

+DirtRider500R Nope.

@DirtRider500R

8 жыл бұрын

+Dirt Bike Channel Meh. If nothing else you'll never have to worry about under-jumping

@rmz-po5xz

8 жыл бұрын

yes yes I do

@thewhitekid8139

8 жыл бұрын

+DirtRider500R I died laughing when I read that.

@TriptoCo

8 жыл бұрын

Maico 700 2-stroke or go home. Yes, they still make that monster

The combo of a 450 and a mostly bald rear tire is fucking hilarious fun though haha

@TheSevenSoulsofMan

7 жыл бұрын

Perfect for a filthy Australian bush gumby.

@probablyhitler

6 жыл бұрын

Lol I feel ya. I’ve got a CR250 with a nearly bald rear tire and that fuckin thing will try to kill you at any turn

@Gusgetsgoodtime

6 жыл бұрын

Yes!!

My first bike was a 2005 yz450f when I was in 8th grade, that year it only had 4 gears for more torque in the low end. For the first year I was pretty terrified coming out of turns with it, not gonna lie. Then I rode a 250f and it felt kinda boring and I was glad I got the 450. Riding is riding you don’t need to be told what you should do. After that first year I was on it non stop and had a blast!

Great video. VERY informative. I am selling my CRF450R because I quit riding. Bought a KTM 350 and LOVE it. My 350 may even have too much power. Now I am enjoying riding more than ever! I finally realized it's about myself having fun. Thanks!

I find tracks are set up with the jumps closer out of the corners these days, and without proper corner speed it's hard to huck the jumps, that's where the power of the 450 comes in handy for me because I'm not Webb in the corners and if I screw up a twist of the throttle and I don't come up short... I always say there's safety in power. Plus I'm 6'3 so the bigger bike feels more comfortable personally.

@DirtBikeChannel

8 жыл бұрын

I get what you are saying.

Pass me your man card....you're done.

@ThatSB

7 жыл бұрын

Jason Adler you sound insecure in your ability as a man

@salvador2401

7 жыл бұрын

u sound like you don't get humour

@mnguy7184

7 жыл бұрын

Jason Adler his wife was holding a gun on him off camera. This must be being made under duress.

@DaClean

6 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@samuelreynolds1419

6 жыл бұрын

Jason Adler 😂😂😂🤦🏿‍♂️lmfaoo

Starting on something less and growing in skill is really where the fun is though.

great video! I started out on a TTR 230! great starter bike, but went to a 250 2 stroke pretty quick! ended up whisky throttled it into a pond! ahaha fun times!

I agree with your video. When I used to ride a cr250 2 stroke I loved riding I switch to the 450 for the power and lived the exhaust sound. But it began to not be as fun and I would get tired quicker. As you said you end up having to fight and menouver more for the throttle desicions your making. The instant power is nice but the fight isn't worth it. I went from riding twice a week to barely riding twice a year to now not even having a bike anymore. If I buy another one I may go 2 stroke or 250 4 stroke.

@DirtBikeChannel

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

How dare you describe me so perfectly

Im 15 and I absolutely love my yz450fx, but im also a bigger kid at about 5'11" and 190Ibs and the bike suits me great through trails and at the track. Thanks for the video's they really help me riding!

@bencowman1048

Жыл бұрын

I have a wr450F I’m 5,9 145 I’m not a big dude but I like my 450 more than a 250f way more I came off small bikes so i needed the power and speed to get out quick

I got a 50cc 2 stroke enduro bike with supermoto wheels when I was 15. I rode it on the street when I got my licence. I had it for almost a year, when I got my 125cc licence and I bought a 125cc 2stroke. I rode the 125cc for one summer and just a few weeks ago I bought a 300cc Husqvarna 2 stroke. Quite a leap to be honest :D but I have plenty of time to practice enduro next summer before I get my motorcycle licence in 11months :)

Well I'm 6ft and 255lb+ so yeah, I kinda do.

@Jabooty_Williams

4 жыл бұрын

I'm 6 ft 4 269 lbs. I need something bigger than my current 150. At very least height wise.... so I opted in to buy a new Kawasaki kx450f!

@cyrusparsons8917

4 жыл бұрын

6ft 240, just got a Suzuki DRZ 400, I love it

@twitch_jjg_6234

4 жыл бұрын

No u don’t you’ll fit a 50 better

@nickberg8177

3 жыл бұрын

How is the dirt bike cuz im around the same height and weight i

@sirdumbthicc4294

3 жыл бұрын

I’m 6’1” 220 and a 250 (especially in the sand where I ride mostly) just doesn’t cut it lol. Had to upgrade to the kx450. Now with the 450 in the dirt it’s a bit much compared to what I’m used to, but sand it’s perfect for me.

maybe stop riding motocross bikes on trails, get a WR or YZ450FX or CR450X or 450XCF-W that is tamer, but still has the torque? I weigh 240 pounds, I wouldn't be able to do what I do on a 250.

@silicontoad7186

8 жыл бұрын

+Jordan Carroll Maybe let people make up their own minds.

@stmboat

8 жыл бұрын

+Silicon Toad I'm with you fellas.

@kcopyka

8 жыл бұрын

Ktm 450 xcw has same power like 450 exc right ?

@jordancarroll9397

8 жыл бұрын

yeah, but a wide ratio gear-box

@AWDn0t2

8 жыл бұрын

+Jordan Carroll - Wide ratio is nice. No denying that!

I got my wr450 near 2 years ago when I was 15 and stepping from a Dr350 to the WR even though I'm not a massively experienced rider I still do prefer the 450. It's now road registered and still as awesome as ever 👌

I used to ride a yz250... was great, fun to ride. now (about 5 years later) I bought an 09 Crf250r and I gotta say it's just more enjoyable at my level and as you said...makes it easier for me to find the limits of myself and the bike. great video man 👍

I have a te 449 and yes I don't need all the power on the trails but I do need it on the street. so guess it depends on the rider.

I know this is an old video but lately I’ve been tossing around what you’re talking about and totally agree! I’m going to stay in the 250/350 class. Only question is does your body weight factor in between a 250 and 450 as I’m 6ft 204 pounds (lean not fat)? I haven’t really noticed that heavier guys (some even fat) have a problem getting around on their 250F’s. Thanks, great advice/video.

After spending the last 14 years riding and racing 450’s I just purchased an 18 KTM300 and OMG I’m so happy to be back on a 2 stroke. I wish I had given up my 450 years ago! So light, so fun, I’m loving it.

Great video! I have been riding road bikes since I was 6. I have been looking at dirt bikes on craigslist, and have seen many 450s for around $2000. Yes, I am a man and thought speed, jumps, and so planned on getting one. I got lucky and went and talked to a pro at the local bike shop. After he went over the power of these bikes, and what I should be looking at as a beginner dirt bike rider, I started looking at other bikes since I want to learn before I jump off the deep end. He had some enduro bikes, but I am done with them after a truck drove out in front of me. So I took another look and found a yamaha ttr 230. KZread does a great job having vids on any bike you can think of, and the information on this bike was great. I am getting one on friday, a 2011. This bike will help me adjust and gain confidence so in time, I will be able to get on a 250, or 450, and have the skill to ride them. A good fit (height), slower( 0-65), (less maintenance) lighter weight bike is the way to go for any beginner. Thanks K&N Tulsa for the information !

I have a kx250 two stroke and a kx450f. I can handle the 250 much better but I do find myself using more energy on the smaller bike. As a senior rider/racer I ride with a little more finess than the younger riders and that's where the xtra HP really comes in handy. And no I don't need all that power but it's nice to have. Hahaha But if you are going to buy a 450 just make sure your ready for it and respect it. It really can hurt you !

To late got a yz490 bored out 500cc as my first bike

I started motocross an enduro a year ago. I own a '11 KTM exc250f and I'm happy every day I ride this bike! This video explains exactly what is so great about a lighter bike. In enduro I'm just as fast as the other riders on the 450/500cc bikes and that actually really cool. Personly I think it's really awesome to be able to use ALL OF THE BIKE. When i rode my 560 smr (converted to enduro) on the loose sand... no faster! Finding traction is a second. Advise: 250 or 350 4 stroke is really nice and lightweight.

old school 2smoker here.i started with 1 horsepower. yeah the kind with four legstroke.after years of riding 125s and 250s jumping on a cr 450 and the cr 500 was a dream come true.trails,dirt roads or the track.professional use only.

I don't need 50+ hp, I just want it, because there aint nothin' like the feeling of hanging onto a rocket, though the slowest bike I ever owned was an xr 350 & I often refer to that bike as the most fun bike I ever owned.

@wickedleeloopy2115

6 жыл бұрын

David Day it's not about power , it's all about torque....

@paahtopro3950

3 жыл бұрын

@@wickedleeloopy2115 electric bikes it is then

@paahtopro3950

3 жыл бұрын

most fun bike i ever had was this most likely chinese made 100cc 4 stroke bike that had no name or brand. my dad bougth it when i was like 5 and kept it in my grandpas farm where i sometimes rode as a passenger and my big brother also rode it. some years ago it stopped working and i grew up. now i was getting into dirtbikes and motrcycles so we pulled the bike out cleaned the carb and it started running. it worked for a month or two and i had so much fun on it. now it stopped working again and we opened the engine and came to the conclusion that the valves had not been tuned well and it broke or something. now we bought me a yz125 and its so much fun riding that too but its just so powerful and tall and its been quite hard to ride it now as its winter and slippery. i really want to fix the chinese bike and ride that since its quite low and has more usable power for riding on ice and snow. also the bike that im wheeling on my profile bike is the chinese bike. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4eg29KFisaomcY.html you can see the bike on 2:55 on that video my brother made in 2015. i also have no idea why im writing this since no one cares but i really got into it so whatever. i live in finland and english isnt my strong suit so mind that

@davidday8692

3 жыл бұрын

@@paahtopro3950 Your English is perfect & that looks like a cool little bike. The YZ125 is the polar opposite of the little Chinese bike & I can imagine how odd it would feel in comparison. My XR 350 was fun but not very exciting. I much prefer the thrill of high horsepower & a high performance chassis, as I just love MotoX. As long as we keep the shiny side up it's all fun, no matter what one prefers to ride.

Solution = 250 two stroke 😏

@Freshman24727

8 жыл бұрын

+C Dub yeah because theyre less power than a 450.

@s.a.t419

8 жыл бұрын

+Jack Sisneros barely less lol hakf the displacement. I prefer a 500 2 stroke, double to tq of a 450 under 4000 rpm!!

@Freshman24727

8 жыл бұрын

+scott T yeah cr500 is the only two stroke I'll get

@Freshman24727

8 жыл бұрын

***** yup

Moving down to a 250F was the best thing ever! After 2 different MX 250cc 2 strokes, a 525 & a KTM 300XC I got a 250F and I can ride the piss out of the thing for days and not be worn out. Out in the desert it leaves you wanting a little more power but on single track and 2 track it's the best. You make a great point about Kalib Russel on the 150, I raced a desert race on my 250F last year and in the last lap I was passing a half dozen guys on 450s that were too tired and worn out to maintain race pace.

@DirtBikeChannel

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

I'll tell you... Every now and then we come across an open field and ripping a 450 is SO much fun

Well, the YZ is a race bike. They make the WR for trail riding.

@danielmackey6594

3 жыл бұрын

The WR is still very powerful... after you do the free mods... I ride a WR250f, and it's very fast.

What about 450 for a supermoto build?

@fuckyuashol

3 жыл бұрын

madcuzbad This isn’t a supermoto channel

My first adult bike was a 1986 KX500, that being said I learned a few hard lessons. But in time I loved the old green machine. Currently ride a new KX450x, not the 500 from back in the day but it still puts a grin on my face. I can’t see stepping down to a 250, yeah I could ride the hell out of it and probably still never reach the bikes full potential but it wouldn’t be as fun for me and that’s what it’s all about.

I agree with you a 450 is definitely a lot of power to respect for some. I’m 30yrs old and on my 3rd 450 bike. Although I started at a young age trail riding on a pw50, rode 70s, 110s,125s, 250s and then worked my way into the 450s

Experienced and heavier riders need more power. The KTM 300 is great but I wish some builder like KTM made an even bigger tourqey 350 or 400 off road 2 stroke again. For an experienced recreational rider who wants to ride all types of terrain, the 450/500 4 strokes do it all. Big steep hills, deep sand hills, got to have a big bore. Also a recreational rider will get more hours out of the big bore engine simply because they aren't likely to be riding in the high rpm range as much. However they are more of a challenge to ride as increased throttle control is critical on a big bore on tight technical & slippery terrain.

Yamaha Yz250 ftw!

@Xiferr

8 жыл бұрын

+Dries Fontaine yeeep

@tmanthekid4396

8 жыл бұрын

+XiferTehPenguin XR 400 with mods has double the torque

@yeahwerepthesamesmartech7113

8 жыл бұрын

for trails tho?

@fastman454

7 жыл бұрын

YeahWeRepTheSameSmartech xr400 for life!

@probablyhitler

6 жыл бұрын

Nah bro CR250 whoops anything in the 250 category

My first dirtbike was a 2004 wr 450f I got it for 2400 from a cool old timer who told me that most 99% of people will never use the full potential of a 450. And I’m so happy it was my first bike lots of frustration sometimes but I learned so much on it and once I realized it’s about controlling the power it has and not just pinning it like 250s

Hey I like supporting the tyres companies! I only got 216kms out of my last tyre, man I love that power!

I'll take a 250 2 Stroke anyday!

@DirtBikeChannel

8 жыл бұрын

+Happy G. I here you there!

@armweak13

8 жыл бұрын

I think the point is a 250 four stroke.

@PolskiMotoVlog

8 жыл бұрын

only two stroke!

Ok power argument aside, what about the fact that 250 4strokes have to be pushed a lot harder (at least in the desert and especially in the sand) and this is harder on the engine & equals much higher maintenance costs?

@Kevin-lj3xh

8 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I have an 09 kx250f. First trip in the mountain sand dunes here in CO and I blew the top end.

Couldn't' agree more. My first dirt bike, age 53, was a KTM 525. Had a 12-52 sprocket ratio and got pretty good with it on tougher rocky mountain trails, BUT....trying to muscle that power around was an extreme workout. Plus the few times I whisky throttled it got ugly real fast. Off the trail, into some trees which caught the right handlebar, radiator, and knee. Split the knee guard in 4 places and severely tore my PCL tendon.Now I'm leaning towards a 250-300 2 stroke, but your review on the 150's was interesting,........ but I'm 6'-2" and 210.Great video, thanks!Jack

Some people like to push whatever machine they happen to be riding. I’m one of those people. I love the feeling of wringing a bike out for all it’s worth, having to maintain momentum and be strategic with gear selection. On a 450 a lot of that feeling goes away because the torque is immense and it’s unnecessary to really wring it out. I can ride a 450 just fine but it’s very difficult to ride in a hyper aggressive style for me. I prefer 125s and 250fs for this reason. I grew up on a 250 2 stroke. I’m 5-11 200lb.

What happened to throttle control? Am I missing something here... do 450s only have one power setting?🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

I agree, my dad needs to downsize to a 250. On a side note if you are ever in southern Utah look up The Rock Roosters. I got a ride through an actual slot Canyon that is so secret only a handful of locals no about it. If your wondering how tight the fit is look up the video I posted of it.

@DirtBikeChannel

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

I watched this and listened to a number of guys around the track last year that were talking about dropping down to 250s. So I made the leap from 450 down to 250. 1st take away is a lot more shifting and clutch work. I would typically leave my 450 in 3rd gear all the way around. Now I'm having to shift like crazy and it honestly gets exhausting.

I am a 210 lb. vet rider, I ride in the sand dunes at Glamis , Ocotillo Wells Desert, and all So. Cal MX tracks. I would not get the power with a 250f that i need to handle these conditions!

if you have good throttle/clutch control it's awesome to have that massive grunt right off the bottom, but you should definitely ride a smaller bike if your prone to the occasional whiskey throttle and don't always ride with one finger on the clutch... you'll get into in trouble fast. I rode Dirtbikes for five years before ever getting on a 450 and it scared the crap out of me for the first week or so... YMMV 🙂

@RideForLifeCR250R

7 жыл бұрын

toadamine well put buddy! I've owned and ridden bikes since I was 8 and wasn't until 09 when I was about 26 I finally had an opportunity to try a brand new 05 CRF450R and I was impressed by the grunt it had for sure, like you said you gotta hang onto them and cover that clutch lol.. At the time I was riding my 00' CR250R, still have my 2t but since then I've obtained a 06' CRF450R.

I'm still waiting on seeing that 450 gone, and YZ250X in its place. If you do get rid of it, you gotta stay blue! Nice video, I agree completely.

@DirtBikeChannel

8 жыл бұрын

+Pixel Junkie I sold it a few weeks ago, I just still have footage of it.

@billg1374

8 жыл бұрын

+Dirt Bike Channel When you sold it, were you wondering in your mind, can this guy truly handle it, or is he falling into the same mindset as many...I just have to have the bigger displacement.

@rileygenereux6755

8 жыл бұрын

+billg1374 haha. Thats exactly what I did when iI bought my 450fx. I shoulda bought a 250.

@DirtBikeChannel

8 жыл бұрын

+billg1374 No, the guy that bought it is a really good desert racer. I'm sure he's a far better rider than I am. He's coming off of a 450 and he's going to do really well on this bike too.

@tself77

8 жыл бұрын

+Pixel Junkie I could totally see it being replaced by a new YZ250FX

No one NEEDS a 450 but dammmn they're fun

Haha good one @alive845 i started with a Honda qr50 in 92' then kx80 then bought a blaster 200 then LTR 450 and yfz450 , decided to start over ..recently i sold my 450 and bought a cr125 which i enjoyed and now ride a honda crf250 and I absolutely love this bike. Its me! Had a huge eye opener on what suits me best.

Cooper web's 250 is highly modified it's not a stock 250 it probably has the power of the stock production 450. Not a fair comparison.

@chrissagredo7129

7 жыл бұрын

Marc Graham they're actually not a ton faster than a normal bike. Probably more responsive and definitely lighter mostly. But it's not like NASCAR or something where the race machines are nothing like their civilian counterparts

@WilliamStewart1

7 жыл бұрын

Christian Sagredo With the 250's there a pretty large gap between a factory setup and race setup. I've heard that the modern 250f race bikes make near 55hp which is a huge jump over stock bikes. I also heard that the 450's don't have as drastic a difference as there's only so much power you can put down and they get very tiresome to ride. The biggest difference between the 250f and the 450f race bikes is torque and powerband. A race 250f rides like a 85 2 stroke where you pretty much need to be on the clutch all the time as they have such narrow powebands. The 450f's have friendlier powerband with a lot more bottom end grunt.

@WilliamStewart1

6 жыл бұрын

Transworld motocross did an article on it a while back, they were saying that the factory KTM 250's were pumping out near 55 horsepower. I was also skeptical of the 9hp jump over the stock bikes but it's what they said.

@WilliamStewart1

6 жыл бұрын

Shane Erikson I'm talking engine horsepower, not wheel horsepower. A 2017 KTM 250 sxf makes 46 horsepower as per the tests, a 2017 KTM 450sxf makes 57 horsepower as per the tests. Look up the reviews yourself.

@backstagemoto1826

6 жыл бұрын

Shane Erikson mate james stewerts bike would have over 55. My fathers rm250 2 stroke has 50 horsepower stock and 450s have more from stock. (Crf250 are classed as a beginner 250)

No trail rider I know talks about the power of their big bores, they talk about it's manners. I could ride a 150 2t but it would take alot more work as they don't lug around nicely (stay on the pipe!), old guys like the 300 2t because they lug around so comfortably in the low rpms. The only modern 4t ive ridden on the trail was the 250 xcfw, and while I liked it, I would most likely want the 350 on rough climbs since the 250s power is higher in the RPMs and need to ride the hell out of the clutch (more than usual i found). Plus the 250 didnt launch as well off of obstacles. An SX would, but its not great for trails.

@123devinzz1

8 жыл бұрын

+Zedro nurinburg this. riding trails and doing slower technical stuff i find it much better using the controllable bottom end of a 450. After being on a 450 so many years when i get on a 250 it just feels weak...

Great Video. i ride a 2004 YZ 450F it is a lot of fun. but i know its way to much bike for me. I am really tired after i ride it. I need to go down to a 250 as for sure. great video.

Great Video! Had a YZ450F years ago and it was a mistake. Wanted it for mostly trail riding...Big Mistake....HUGE! Bought it new...kept it for a couple months and lucked out selling it for exactly what I paid for it. Haven’t missed it.

I race CC and do a lot of my practice on MX tracks. I like the 450 over the 250 for a few reasons. #1- far less shifting. you can be a gear high or low and get through a corner or jump no problem. And I don't have a mechanic or the extra money to throw away rebuilding transmissions. More shifting=more wear and tear=more cost. #2- More available power through the whole RPM range. The smaller bore bikes are only efficient in the top end (again more wear and tear, more maintenance cost). The big bikes have incredible power at the top end and can lug the bottom while still producing power. Low RPM torque is sometimes better through technical sections. #3- The power is there when I need it. I don't always need it...wait, yes I do. The biggest problem with the 450s is they over heat easy. But you can fix that with a bigger water pump and maybe bigger radiators. Anyway 450>250

@peyton6493

4 жыл бұрын

whenigrowupiwannadie same my Crf450 has a first gear that does 30mph i dont ever venture into 3rd on the track

Amaaazing review man!!!! your soo fricken true. I rode my small bore this weekend and i found myself really working on technique and cornering speed vs raw power. It truely makes you faster to master the smaller bore bikes before riding a 55 hp beast

@DirtBikeChannel

8 жыл бұрын

+Jacobl Ammons Word.

@anthonyk9534

8 жыл бұрын

+Dirt Bike Channel You Can't Be More Right! I Started On A Little tt-R 110 And I Even Raced COMPLETELY STOCK Squeezing Every Little Chunk Of Power Out Of That Little 'Beast'! I Got 2nd Against 65cc Bikes. Now I Am Riding A YZ 85! Just For The Record I Am Currently 11! Thanks For The Tips

@suhwateezea.214

8 жыл бұрын

Anthony K Right on! keep riding and always have fun!!

@fredsteijgerwalt7679

6 жыл бұрын

But it's so good to have the power there when you want it. Fuck it. Love my 450.

I took your advise and bought a 2018 Husqvarna TC 250 2 stroke motocross bike. I then ordered $4500 in parts for it. Air forks, Brembo brakes, and 2 stage digital ignition mapping on the fly. Hydraulic clutch, break away levers and stainless hoses for all, and all factory. I added Vforce 4R reeds, RK Tek head for 110 octane fuel, and FMF Fatty Motto pipe with titanium Pwer Core 2.1 silencer. I hope to get close to the speed of the 450F. lol.

im an enthusiast, somewhat new to riding, i own a crf250r and love that thing, but always had that itch for a 45. luckily i just came across a sweet deal on a 2018 crf450r, i have taken it out only once for a few mins and yes feels like a lot of bike, feels heavier and yes im a lot slower on the 450 but i think is just matter of time until i get used to it, i had the same exact feeling when i started on the 250, felt so big and heavy. I believe u can get use to any bike smaller or bigger, u just need to put the effort to it. Great Video

what about for the road?? do you think it'd still apply?

180 lbs first bike a 2015 yz450f only wrecked twice so far and i was drunk once so that doesnt count

@Fishifyed

8 жыл бұрын

fuckin idiot

@jonathanoxlade4252

8 жыл бұрын

you need to lose weight lol if you weigh 300lb you might need 500cc 2 stroke or 550cc 4 stroke

@EpilepsyWarning

6 жыл бұрын

jonathan oxlade I weigh 320 and I'm 6'4 and a 450 4 stroke is enough

For my first bike, I wanted to get me a 250. But i thought it over, and went with a 189cc, because I thought 250 was a tad too much. I’m very happy with my bike. I’m going to learn, get more experience, drill the fundamentals into my head, and then after a few years of riding, I’ll get my 250.

It's so true. I started off riding with a 1987 yz250. I well worn 250. Then I had a chance to pick up a 2000 kx500 for a great price. It took me a few months to get used to the power. It had way more power than I ever needed. It's been about 15 years since I last rode a desert bike. I'm older now and have spent more time in my teryx4 driving my kids around but I really miss having a bike. I've been looking at the 2018 KLX250 or the CRF250 rally bike. I'm not looking to race every bike I see like I did with my Kx500 back in the day. Now I just wanna get out and ride and have a great time doin it. Great video!

No, I dont need a 450, I want a 500!

I think about this every time I see a 15 year old kid with a 450

@jmccann6735

8 жыл бұрын

+Waka Vevo Reminds me of a 450A moto I watched where a 125 two-stroke whooped the crap out of the track, finished second

@wakavevo4557

8 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I've seen a video like that it was a cr125 that whooped a kx450

@wakavevo4557

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@bart8601

8 жыл бұрын

I am 16 and i ride a exc450 loll haha

@jessejohnson1557

8 жыл бұрын

+bart moorlag lol I'm 17 and buying a ktm 450 exc aswell but I can't afford any nicer cause the one I'm getting is a dirty 2003 model 😂 I want a kdx200 soooo bad

I had my 2021 250rx for a year and a half just got my 2022 450rx and its a blast and i love the challenge of learning this bigger motor but its nice having the bigger bike for smoother riding

You are correct mate, but Gezzz a 450 is fun when ya know where & how to ride the thing. If I had lots of cash I'd have about 20 different models, what ever the weekend calls for. 👍 Great review, keep it up.