so far best nd filter explanation i've seen.

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@Make-Asylums-Great-Again

4 жыл бұрын

Adelaide Above I’ve seen this exact comment on damn near every ND explanation by content creators.

@MattMerritt

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed.... and the fence example really surprised me. Thanks for making this video!! :)

Great video. I have been using ND's on the drone for a long time, but never really understood how they improved the clips. The example with the fence summed it up for me. 👍🏻

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gary. Finally shooting something where I could see a difference helped me too! The fence made the difference for sure! It really is subtle, but I like the smooth motion blur that it gives in the foreground. If you're not doing close flybys though... maybe not a big deal.

Thank you for your informative video tutorials. I worked in film/tv but felt overwhelmed and intimidated with learning new material.Please keep up all of your hard work- it is truly appreciated.

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for that nice comment. I understand why you'd be intimidated. Often many of the folks on film/tv shoots are tech geeks and they can make it all feel very difficult. Truth is, it's not as difficult as they make it out to be. You can get really caught up in the intricacies if you're not careful!

On my Spark, I've been very pleased with Cinema Series ND/PL filer pack frokm Polarpro. These newer variations snap on easy and don't affect the gimbal motors like the first version did. The pack has ND4/PL, ND8/PL, and ND16/PL (my goto ND filter for video). I use these primarily for video, especially video with cinematic panning shots. By reducing the light hitting the sensor, that Sony sensor is forced to keep the shutter open longer to get exposure. This helps to add a level of "blur" to moviing objects. Without these, I would have to crank up the frame rate to 60fps or more, which would loose the cinematic look we go for on 24fps...

Great video thank you. I don't currently shoot with a filter but I can certainly now understand why and when to use one. Thanks again!

Your demonstration with foreground of a fence really good to demonstrate the difference of the extent of motion blur with and without ND filters. Thanks indeed!

"more videos more often" YYYYYEEEEAAAHHHHSSSSS .. can't wait to get inspired again and pick up my projects with new things ive learned through this channel. I am still going through old videos as well just to give myself assignments to make some of the ways to shoot something more second nature.

It's always nice to learn. So I added this information to my knowledge. Thanks for making this video! Keep up the great work!

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for stopping by Wim!

Finally a comprehensive video about filters with excellent, concise examples, thank you!

Best explanation of how/why ND filters help with footage on a drone that I've seen so far. Great explanation of how shutter speed impacts video, and the demonstration with the fence, while very simplistic and maybe not a great composition (as you pointed out) was a perfect way to demonstrate the difference between using an ND and not. Other videos I've seen have shown clarity/color differences (I think they were confusing a CPL with an ND), which didn't make sense to me. Great job with the explanation, thanks!

I never thought of ND's for motion blur but for keeping the exposure and coloring more intact for editing later. Very helpful, thank you!

I happy to learn more again from Rob & Jonas' Filmmaking Tips channel. Thanks Rob!

Just bought a set for my Mavic, good video glad to see this info.

Thank you for explaining, the blur in close objects are great!

Thanks for sharing this. I have just bought myself some filters (haven't tried them out yet, bloody English weather). I am excited to start taking my video capture skills to the next level. It's fun to see the capturing progress alongside the editing. It's amazing to see how with consistent practice, my videos are getting better and better. Your footage looks great, and thanks for the tips. I can imagine a lot of people find them really useful, just like I do 💪

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kris. It seems like a lot of people have found this helpful.

One of the best simple drone filter videos, thanks a ton!

Thank you.. that’s the best demonstration of the desired motion blur I’ve seen.

Excellent, clears up a much better understanding on Filter use... Thanks!

Very well explained and demonstrated. Loving it! Thanks!

Thank you. I have been trying to figure out the filter situation on my drone for months. And you showed me how and why they are important to use. It reminds me of watching movies that were shot on film when I was a kid. These filters enable you to replicate that cinematic look and feel from Hollywood's big mechanical camera days. But now I can achieve this magical look with my drone. Hey thank you brother for sharing.

Hallelujah! More Rob and Jonas vids! Keep em coming guys!

Finally..... a clip thatsimplified everything in a nicely timed video.....sorry 'clip'....some people out there may not understand 'video'...my bad. I would love to see some more of your works. This was very easy to understand and stick with...I thank you.

I bought polarpro polarised ND 4,8 & 16 filters for my autel X-star apart from being hesitant to adjust the polariser by rotating it when the gimbal is active, they work a treat. We are finally starting to get some great weather in Australia so I look forward to shooting tons of aerial footage. Also I bought an adjustable 82mm ND filter for my 6D & Tamron 24-70mm which ranges from Nd2 to N400 for some cinematic looking video from my DSLR. Cinematic video is the way to go! Also don't forget to take aerial long exposures with your ND filters. I'm sure you see lots of spectacular waterfalls in your line of work...

Thanks for the great description on ND filters. I really appreciated the perspective!

Fantastic explanation of drone filters! Thank you for a great video.

Your fence example was great. Something else about high shutter speeds is that with some drones, and in some situations it can cause a flicker. The flicker is effectively eliminated with an ND. A PL is nice too in those cases where you'd like to see something through a reflective surface, or maybe just improve your skys (not that I have had too much issue with doing that in post, although it's nice when it's there already).

Fantastic! Finally somebody explained the difference in a proper way! Thanks!

Really helpful video, thanks!

Probably the most well explained video ever congrats buddy great video

I agree with all your observations...in fact I keep the ND16 on at all times unless its very overcast....works wonders :)

Great review dude👌🏼

Its so true that many people find it hard to understand what nd filters do. Especially those who just dont get into the technical aspects of camers. This video though is the best I've seen. Anybody will grasp the understanding of what they do after this video!!!!! Thanks for sharing!!

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michal!

EXCELLENT! I thought seing those filters: hey wait, playing contrast, colors and other options, is doable under Premiere Pro.... but NOW, with YOUR explanation, I understood the sense out of it, THNX for your clear explanation!!!! Cheers

Great explanation mate. I've been shooting still photography for years and use ND filters a lot and could never understand the link with video and why you would want the slower shutter speed, great way of explaining it 👍

Excellently composed explanation video; I understand exactly now from your video why I use/don't use ND filters.

What a great explanation! Thanks!

middle of 2021 and still no better video on KZread to explain ND Filters, so easy that every noob like myself can understand the differences...

Very nice explaining! Thanx! Hugs from Romania!

Short and to the point, now I understand, thank you

Seeing all the KZread videos about the importance of ND filters I thought I was crazy thinking some shots with my drone look better without an ND filter, all makes sence now... Best drone/ND filter video I've seen, thank you very much!! I subscribed of course!

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for that. Really appreciate that.

amazing explanation of the nd filters....especially with fences...subscribing now

Thank you for your sharing your experiences with ND filter with us.

Wonderful explanation with the ND filter.

Thanks for the info.

Can't wait for the next season, brilliant

that was an intelligent informative video, appreciated!!!

So far the best explanation.

Love how perplexed you look at :42 it's pretty amazing. :)

I really like the look with thr filtet. Thsnks forma the video :)

Thank you so much!!!!!!! You really help me a lot!

Yes, I have started using filters, especially polarized, on my Mavic Pro.

Wow, that small change makes a HUGE difference!

That's the best explanation yet.

Very well done 👍

You absolutely need them!

Just got a set of freewells for my mavic air...so far so good.

Nice explanation.

Liked your content. I'm subbing. Greetings from Montreal, Canada.

Good information.

I'm surprised you haven't spoke about fps. Filter allows you to match the shutter speed with your fps to get that cinematic feel (24fps, 1/50th second, 60fps 1/125th second, etc...), it's not just about blurring the image :)

@devanand2121

6 жыл бұрын

True

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

You know - I hear that reasoning, but to be honest, I'm not sure I advocate that filmmaking "rule." That's partly why I didn't bring it up. I didn't want to perpetuate a "rule" that I've never really been able to see much of a difference in as I shoot. Plus, I think that "rule" is based on something that is quickly changing. But, you're right in bringing it up as an important reason why many people advocate the filters!

@izoyt

6 жыл бұрын

it's actually is about fps.

@Mcskittelybiscuts

6 жыл бұрын

You say that but in the video the only reason the clip looked blurred was because it followed this rule. ND filters allow someone to follow this rule and get what has been coined the cinematic look. However other people can be a fan of the crisp look so yes it shouldn't be a "rule" that one must follow rather a guide to how to get it too look good. lol I'm a fan of the blur. Great video btw.

Great info! Thank you :)

@UntamedScience

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

I’m convinced now

Hi, some precision i read on internet and book For have a nice "cinematic style" with drone or Dslr, you need to follow this : Fps * 2 = shutter speed 24/25 fps * 2 = 48/50 so 1/50s 30 fps * 2 = 60 so 1/60s etc etc etc With this you have the best shutters speed like cinema camera. ( sorry for my bad english )

I'm getting jittery video without filters. I only notice it in fast movement - either close to the ground or while turning. And it looks bad, like the computer is buffering. And I see it in your castle shot and fence shot, but disappears in the filtered videos. So thanks for your guide - I've ordered some filters. Hoping the filters will reduce the number of clips I throw away for being jittery.

Love the show

Thank you !

From a technical standpoint: Having a lower shutter speed allows the sensor capture light information more accurately because the information transmitted by the light is exposed to the sensor for longer. You will get more colors, more detail and better dynamic range. The theory behind blur is that your subject is generally your axis point meaning that everything around it is subject to movement. Its a way to draw your audience away from unnecessary detail by in effect removing it from the shot. Bokeh (Blurry background and foreground) is used fro the same effect.

Actually aperture does matte too. Most drone camera's (maybe even all of them) have a sweet spot for the best sharpness. Sometimes you need to tone down the light to get the best sharpness and the right shutter speed for a natural motion blur...

Very nice video.

Well done video, but more information regarding camera settings would have been helpful. Therefore, from a technical standpoint ND (Neutral Density = will not alter observed colors) filters will allow more or less light to reach the camera’s sensor, which allows for changes to the exposure settings given the same lighting conditions! A slower shutter speed allows the same number of photons to reach the sensor as will a faster shutter speed when a wider camera aperture is used, this is called exposure. You can over or under expose the sensor or film which will affect the final picture grain or pixilation. A slower shutter speed can introduce motion blur while a faster shutter speed can freeze a moving subject (thus the fence effect in the video above). A still picture of a distant building taken with an ND 32 filter will look exactly like that taken with an ND 4 filter (as noted above) if the exposures are the same, i.e. the aperture or shutter speed or ISO is changed to accomplish equal exposure (same number of photons) and if the camera stable or mounted on a tripod. If the shutter speed remains constant, exposure can be increased or decreased by changing the camera’s aperture (or opening). As you increase the aperture number you are decreasing the lens opening and the amount of light that reaches the sensor or film. This also increases the depth of field. As you decrease the aperture number, your depth of field decreases, and close or distant objects may become out of focus. When using a camera in manual mode under the same lighting conditions, you can change shutter speed, aperture, ISO (film speed), and exposure compensation, and when combined with ND filters, you can get additional various artistic effects. ISO or exposure compensation (changes sensor sensitivity and exposure), shutter speed - motion (changes exposure and blur/sharpness), and aperture - changes exposure and depth of field to wide or narrow.

This is probably the most consise explanation. Well done

@robnelsonfilms

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! - R

Thanks. Quick short description of ND filters

This is crazy, I was watching the video and then suddenly there was a clip from my city: Gothenburg :P

I use the Polar Pro cinematic filters with my Mavic Pro. As the camera on the mavic is a fixed aperture you can only control the ISO and shutter speed. I use the ND filters to try to follow the 180 degree rule i.e. shutter speed should be double the video frame rate in order to give the said motion blur shown in this video. It works really well, when shooting on a clear day above snow or a ‘white sanded’ beach I sometime have to use an ND32 filter! So yes you definitely need ND filters for your drone if you want to achieve more professional / cinematic feel to your shots!

@chosenideahandle

6 жыл бұрын

I have an ND32 now for the same reason.

@firpofutbol

5 жыл бұрын

Nicely explained. So what is the difference between the regular ND and polarized ND. I will be vlogging, taking aerial shots of hikes, forests, oceans, also some shots following me on my runs... Not sure whether I need both, or can get by with just one type.

4:00 When you fly past the castle the biggest difference between no ND filter and open shutter with ND is that jitter look. The castle is a perfect example. Jitter is because no motion blur simulates the passing of movement. You will see a lot of epic drone shots on YT that have jitter. That's because they either have default on or are using the wrong ND filter with incorrect shutter. However. Its not wrong if that's the look you want. Its all about taste. Thank you for the video was great to see a nice explanation.

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

;) Thanks. - R

I was in Cyprus some months ago, 32 ℃ with clear blue sky. Unfortunately I filmed the coast with no nd filter and when I checked the footage on my computer the sea looked like a blue sandpaper

I think you remind me of Ash from Evil dead..... so that's groovy haha.... BUT THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO.... it made me hold off(for now) on buying filters until I really see what the drone does.... THANK YOU!

Finally I get it! (with ND filters), thanks!

just found your channel to have as background noise, but i ended up goign through a ton of your contents. its so good and im learning so much. now im way behind on work. thank you so much for that. haha kidding. :D

@robnelsonfilms

5 жыл бұрын

Hah. Thanks for that comment.

Best explanation of the entire web!

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

+RHINO1 thanks...

That was a very interesting video and I don't even own a drone !

@mauakatakla

6 жыл бұрын

goldrace10hahah

Just bought PP ND16 for my Mavic 2 Pro

Best video on ND filters for drones 👍🏻👍🏻

@robnelsonfilms

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Arun!

Very cool!

Thanks a lot for so usefull video )

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

Sure. I hope it helped.

You could keep it at 1/50th shutter speed at 24fps and drop the aperture to f14, right? I've never used drones before, so I don't know much but I think its reasonable to assume that no one needs to shoot at f2.8 as on the mavic 2 pro in broad daylight- especially if what you're doing is high shots, I'm gonna get a drone very soon but I think I'd do most of the ground shots on my x-t3 and ronin. Maybe if I wanted to track someone or something on a cliff maybe then I'd need to keep the aperture low like f4 or f2.8? Please let me know!

The product shows polarization. I've learned light spins a few different ways. Might not have to with exposure. It might not be darker, just different light. Or less light. To test it, keep a boat on the water in the center of the frame with a camera directly above it then twist the frame so north at the top then east at the top to south then west at the top of the frame.

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

So I did many tests with the polarizer and had a few interesting results. 1. I found it pretty difficult to get it adjusted just right (probably not sandmarc, just the fact that it's hard to adjust it while on a moving drone before you take off). 2. When done right, it provides ok results - not fantastic, but a tad better than the normal image. 3. The benefits don't necessarily outweigh the problems in that it often reflects light into my sensor when shooting into the sun, creating a rainbow pattern. Thus, I stopped using the polarizer when I fly.

Great video! I still prefer shooting without the filter and at 30 fps. To each his own :-).

I think its about the 180 degree angle where you double your shutter speed with your fps so if you shoot at 25 fps you should use 1/50th shutter speed to get the cinematic blur. nd filter helps reduce light and with using flat profile you can have more dynamic range adding more color in post production. Nd16 is like 3stops of a light i think hehe. coz if you shoot at f2 then u go 2 stops thats nd8 if you go 1 another stop that nd16. so in this video ur lowering the light for 3 stops in f2 if its a drone.

@ltoro2029

6 жыл бұрын

After an emergency water landing/sinking, my new drone will fitted with filters. Its not until you lose one do you truely appreciate goid video.

@exogendesign4582

6 жыл бұрын

I don't know what you mean man, but it i think that was very sad, Hope your drone is okay.

@ronn0008able

6 жыл бұрын

nd 16= 4 stops, its 2^4

You bewty more videos. And nice to get some tips with the drone!!! More please😂🚁

you really nailed it, finally really understand why nd filter are neccessory

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff!

Not sure I understand. The biggest reason is because when shooting video, you can’t fluctuate the shutter. 30fps requires 60 shutter. But without an Nd in the sun, it gets blown out. Thats why I throw on a filter.

So what filter should you use if you like the crisp video without the added blur, but still want to increase the saturation/color like an nd filter does??!

wow. brilliant

What about just changing the shutter angle in premiere to add motion blur in post?

I am shooting Mavic drone video Rob & Jonas but on sunny days because I go through a large direction change I often have some part of the video clip over-exposed. This usually results in a ruined video clip as when I post correct by reducing the exposure it leaves the other part of the clip too under-exposed. Would ND filters circumvent this problem?

Keywords to research : shutter angle and motion blur. Although, in a lot of cases where you want to speed up the footage from smaller drones like Phantom and Mavic, you actually want to shoot crisp and add motion blur in post to make sure it simulates the motion blur from the new movement speed.

@chosenideahandle

6 жыл бұрын

If you're planning to speed up the footage shooting without motion blur before post is a bit moot, and it might even introduce jitter, or in some cases flicker.

i use polarpro nd/pl filters on my p4p and its look much better so i recomend filters too

The castle image looks great but I personally think ND16 brings too much blur. Maybe personal preference but I like ND8 for most shooting. For my shoots I like to gets my shutter around 120 most of the time no matter shooting 24, 30, or sometimes 60p for drone shooting. I like the blur amount around the 120 range. From their I find its perfect or you can add blur, or slow it down without loss of impactpuliness of image.

@robnelsonfilms

6 жыл бұрын

Great comment. I agree. Shooting at 60 fps is a perfect frame rate for most of what I do.

Would you rather use with or without PL?