Can confirm that my depression is what causes me to feel like I just don't have the energy to make a real meal. Instead, I just throw some shit in the microwave or whatever and go eat it in bed.

I love how you describe how studies should be looked at. During these times where headlines rule, being able to look deeper is so helpful. Thank you.

me not eating ultra processed food and still depressed 😕

I've certainly experienced the correlation, but I have significant personal evidence to show that the causality is in the "depression causes junk food" direction for me, the diet curve has always lagged the depression curve and losing weight has been significantly easier since I made life changes to manage some of the problems contributing to my depression. I do think that it is also a reasonable hypothesis that junk food can be part of the self-neglect feedback loop that worsens depression symptoms, but that's a different story.

Thanks, Doc, for your no BS approach to data.

This is the healtcare triage I know and love!!❤

Thanks for this Aaron! Its always fascinating to see misleading headlines and how it's nearly always the same statistical issues, so it brings me joy to hear you tear them apart. Btw is the HTC podcast coming back anytime this year? I really loved the mini series like the science reproducibility and academia integrity one. I even shared that one with a bunch of my friends who are in academia as we all know the struggles there.

@healthcaretriage

4 ай бұрын

LOVE that you loved and shared that series - it's one of our favorites! The podcast is in a bit of a limbo right now but we do hope to do some more cool stuff with it eventually! :) -Tiffany

What is Ultra-Processed? I assume raw fruits and and veg are Whole Foods. And that things like Oatmeal or cooked meats (like a chicken breast) are probably whole foods for the purposes of this discussion. Based on the stock footage I guess Pizza is a processed food? I'm sure I've heard hamburgers described that way. I suppose things like Cheetos and Twinkies and sugary breakfast cereals are "Ultraprocessed"? Where is the lines and the descriptions? What other categories in the spectrum of processing food are there?

@trevinbeattie4888

4 ай бұрын

There are no hard lines; it’s more of a spectrum. You might find different definitions, but a couple of guidelines I tend to go by is 1) how much fiber was removed from the original grains or vegetables, assuming those were among the ingredients, and 2) how much sugar was added.

@LabGecko

3 ай бұрын

And just a quick thanks for that scientifically minded question 😃

I don't know if processed foods cause me to be depressed, eating many various nutrients make my body feel better, which helps me to recover when I'm in the middle of a depressive episode

Me not eating meals/ balanced foods leads to my depression. When I am deep in my depression it’s is VERY difficult/ basically impossible for me to cook a meal. So I wouldn’t say it’s a cause of my depression but a symptom

This really seem super likely to be the other way around, depressed people are very likely to be low on energy and motivation to cook or make healthy choices when we live surrounded by more convent if less healthy tentations. That can apply similarly to people who are overworked or going through rough times in their lives and so feel exhausted and lacking in time. Good points in this video.

It seems more likely that depression is leading to higher processed food consumption

Dr Aaron, taking out the trash on 'breaking news' studies! Here for it! What a stupid study though. Anyone who has had depression or met a depressed person will tell you they have no strenght/will to cook balanced meals. If you've got no energy, choosing the broccoli over that simple bar of chocolate is such a given marketing departments have evolved a whole lot of reliable studies about it!

It's a bit depressing that we keep seeing these studies being published without any repercussions for the so-called researchers.

Thanks for coving the topic ☺

my experience is stress leads me to eat more and worse. nomnomnom and a lot of that stress is financial... so those tight finances also lead to the lack of better foods.

Since the comment section is still small, I'm just gonna put an unsolicited topic request here. K? No pressure, but I was wondering. I've been told that obesity was rarely a thing awhile ago primarily due to malnutrition. I then got thinking about what we decided was a 'mandatory nutrient' and 'recommended dose', and realized I have no good sense of how this was decided. So topic request 1: How did (say) America decide what everybody is *supposed* to be eating (approximately)? 2: Somewhat relatedly, how does vitimin fortification work? I know we do some of this... somewhere... to make sure people get more vitamins. Do we change the mixture much? 3: Do I have the right guess of why obesity rates changed so much? Do the data say anything useful, or is this a mess? Apologies if I'm forgetting a video that covers any of the above. ty for your time.

@healthcaretriage

4 ай бұрын

All great questions! We'll add these to the list of things to look into for potential episodes! :) -Tiffany

But what counts as processed food? Are we talking fast food or something like white bread?

I used myfatnesspal daily for nearly 10 years... I actually COULD have recalled my daily intake.

I couldn't help but notice that 720p is the highest I can select for this video.

@LabGecko

3 ай бұрын

Need to hear the Doc relay the details in full 4K eh? 😁

Then they didn't even have the audacity to publish the depression rate for a random group of people for a baseline to compare. Where there's control group.

If you are referring to one of your earlier episodes, please provide a link in the video or in the Description for it! I can't see any link to the relative vs absolute risk video you referred to.

@healthcaretriage

4 ай бұрын

Sorry about that, here you go! kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3ysw6aKftzMhpc.html :) -Tiffany

@manubhatt3

4 ай бұрын

@@healthcaretriage Who d hell r u??! A hacker? Does Healthcare Triage even know that his account has been hacked?

Short answer is no. Just because something is processed doesn’t make it unhealthy but not all processed food is the same because meat and fish is also processed food and you wouldn’t consider “processed” salmon the same as McDonald’s processed food.

@FlexxibleFree

4 ай бұрын

Was gonna ask the definition of processed. This is a very badly posed question

@matthewzaloudek

4 ай бұрын

@@FlexxibleFreehuh. It's a shame there isn't a whole writeup of the study explaining what they mean by processed food...

What if you only eat a couple of times a day?

The label "processed" I find EXTREMELY unhelpful. It's fairly subjective, and when you press anyone they go, "oh you know what I mean, JUNK FOOD" and then they will eat coconut milk soup that is EXTREMELY caloricly dense or coat salads in hyper caloric oil. Processed vs unprocessed has too much moral baggage. Foods should isntead be ranked on caloric density vs nutrition and this would stress that all foods are on a gradient and highlight the reasons some hyperpallatable, caloricly dense foods are bad for you. Personally, I have lost weight with a diet consisting of perogies and sandwiches, all weighed out for caloric accuracy and feel better than ever. Do i try to throw in veg for health? Yes, but it's not really connected to weight loss for me. I have always found the advice, for anyone looking to lose weight of "just eat lest junk" extremely unhelpful. It obviously didn't help our bold leader here (who, let me be clear, is one of my favorite youtubers), as he had to switch to ozempic to lose weight after doing the whole " eat more whole foods" diet...

Depression is definitely the feeling I get after eating the Wendy's double baconator™ with cheese.

unfortunately modern day humans are wired to crave junk food especially at certain times like craving Mac and Cheese on a cold rainy/snowy day or a woman craving red meat/leafy greens during her menstrual cycle due to being anemic because she has a blood clotting disorder such as Von Willebrand's Disease

Articial sweeteners means that people who are trying to lose weight, are more likely to feel depressed. How. Utterly. Shocking.

I enjoy the show and the analysis of these studies but because, more likely than not, the conclusion is unreliable or misleading, the episode doesn't provide new information.

Ultra processed foods can lead to poor health, which, over time, can lead to depression.

I was cured of severe depression wtth antibiotics thanks to a Chinese doctor. She asked me about my diet. I told her I had asthma attacks after eating eggs and that this never happened before. She gave me a food allergy test and traced my depression to five foods. I stopped them and was depression-free 100%. She then said I could be cured, but I would have to take a lot of antibiotics to kill bad gut bacteria. I refused, but years later after a sinus infection I took antibiotics and was cured of depression for good. I cannot eat whatever I want and have had no depression since.

“Well, ACKTUALLYYY…”

@katiem.3109

3 ай бұрын

Lol, I love that Healthcare Triage liked this.

That does sound like a pretty useless study. That said, my personal experience with processed food is that depression leads me to eat it, and eating it leads me to be depressed. It's certainly not the sole cause of my depression, but it definitely exacerbates it.

Too many videos about depression. Mine is going to flair up.

there is a definite connection to your micriobiome. processed food isnt good for it.