Hm. A Christian who doesn’t understand consent. Imagine that.

@seanjones2456

5 жыл бұрын

What a condescending little turd. Around the 14 minute mark, Traci loses it and calls it pathetic! These 2 women could fart a more intelligent thought than this bird brain.

@wellitstrue1138

5 жыл бұрын

Does the separate being that's inside of a mother's womb have consent of you ending its life. I think not

@seanjones2456

5 жыл бұрын

@@wellitstrue1138 Just as you do not have the right to hook up a tube to somebody else and have your blood flow through their organs, A fetus doesn't have that right over the woman as well.

@wellitstrue1138

5 жыл бұрын

@@seanjones2456 You are comparing a unvoluntary blood trasnfer to a unique 100% human being... Next will be a rape theory....

@sarah4hp

5 жыл бұрын

@@wellitstrue1138 As long as it is violating a woman's body that is not consenting to the pregnancy, then the woman gets to make the choice. At least up until the point where it becomes an independent life that is NOT dependent on the woman's body to survive anymore, and ACTUALLY is a person in it's own right. In that case there is now two independent people, and they both have equal rights to life.

"Was the genocide correct?" "Sure, why not?" John...you are the reason we need abortion. We can't have more of you running around

@TheSnoeedog

2 жыл бұрын

A walking, talking argument for abortion; a pro-choice billboard with legs

@yvancluet8146

Жыл бұрын

no don't be like that. He got brainwashed, he doesn't sound stupid, and unlike you, he's actively trying to understand the other side's perspective

@theendisthebeginningistheend

Жыл бұрын

@@yvancluet8146 Yes he does, & no, he's not.

@topcat2069

Жыл бұрын

Ouch....... but I sorta agree

@spencerrocchi3388

9 ай бұрын

​@@yvancluet8146 He's not arguing in good faith.

Remember kids, John is just ONE of MANY people who think like this.....and vote!

@sarahboulger9104

5 жыл бұрын

That thought always scares the shit out of me.

@VYDZ

5 жыл бұрын

When the embryo implants in the lining of the uterus, it emits chemical substances which weaken the woman's immune system within the uterus so that this tiny "foreign" body is not rejected by the woman's body.

@jeanbrodeur9667

3 жыл бұрын

And they vote for the idiots who pretend to think like that do. Easily conned like they are being right now.

@adas2409

3 жыл бұрын

People who think like this are overwhelmingly republicans...think about that

@perryegolson833

2 жыл бұрын

@@adas2409 They are pretty much all Republicans. Low information voters.

This guy is just another example of callers who simply don’t have the communication skills to have productive conversations.

I'm yet to hear women call in about abortion, it's only been men so far. I'm keeping my eyes peeled.

@missminti

5 жыл бұрын

*under his eye*

@TheBeatle49

5 жыл бұрын

And ears.

@petezipardi4022

3 жыл бұрын

Blessed be the fruit.

@mathildeyoung1823

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure thats intentional on the shows part. There are many pro-life women.

@50shades91

3 жыл бұрын

@@petezipardi4022 may the lord open..

John just can't wrap his head around the idea that a fetus is violating the mother's body.

@TheSnoeedog

2 жыл бұрын

or that a woman is something more than a life support system for a vagina

@jasperhernandez7364

2 жыл бұрын

Not really moron .

@jasperhernandez7364

2 жыл бұрын

When she is the one who helped plant it there.

@SeRoAnthem

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasperhernandez7364 Nah, sex doesn't always lead to pregnancy. People who have sex for the goal of pleasure consent to sex, but don't consent to pregnancy.

@TheSnoeedog

2 жыл бұрын

John can't wrap his head around the *radical notion that women are people!*

These conversations go so similarly almost every time. The caller asks a question then interrupts when they try to answer. Once they have answered, the caller gets confused and does not understand the answer completely, prompting more explanations of basic concepts. If the caller would just listen and have the ability to comprehend basic concepts, he might have a chance to actually argue his point.

@seanjones2456

5 жыл бұрын

Always a man too! Weird?

@mzavros

5 жыл бұрын

They don't want to listen. They just spout their perceived superior moral position.

@maryhunter6389

5 жыл бұрын

@MrBosif95 - If the caller was able to do that, they wouldn't have called because they would have figured everything out for themselves.

@marinagarza1803

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, b/c the caller is not listening when the hosts speak. He is too busy trying to create a rebuttal in his feeble mind.

@Cuban-Jo

2 жыл бұрын

I heard a call where the caller admitted that he wasn’t listening to the response and that he was reading scripture during the host’s response.

I hope there will come a day when religion is gone.

@SC-zq6cu

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, as long as there are desperate people in bad situations (which there forever will be as long as we are humans) religion will always be a thing.

@mathildeyoung1823

3 жыл бұрын

I hope there will come a day when abortion is gone.

@jcarc5701

3 жыл бұрын

@@mathildeyoung1823 I hope there will come a day when everyone gets a livable monthly salary.

@mathildeyoung1823

3 жыл бұрын

​@@jcarc5701 you mean everyone EARNS a livable monthly salary and the government assists those who cannot for a period of time until they can... (unless they are disabled). Until that day comes though it's not OK to kill a child (born or unborn) to make your life easier.

@jcarc5701

3 жыл бұрын

@@mathildeyoung1823 So you kind of get the point. That is your hope for yourself doesn’t apply to everyone. And by the way, a sperm is not a zygote, a zygote is not a fetus, and certainly a fetus is not a human.

“You mean...consent actions matters?” Yes John, CONSENT!

@wellitstrue1138

5 жыл бұрын

Did the baby have consent in having it's heart stop???

@joulian

5 жыл бұрын

@@wellitstrue1138 My words exactly, even if I'm not on your side

@A.I.Remnant

5 жыл бұрын

@@wellitstrue1138 That's irreverent. Only the mother's consent is relevant because its *her* body that's being used. The baby has no right to her body without her consent.

@dariusnoname12

5 жыл бұрын

@@wellitstrue1138 Even if I disagree with what was said on this show(I don't really like abortions) we both have to admit that all woman does is terminating pregnancy, now if that terminations results to fetus death is separate matter.

@KirstenMarie_MS3

5 жыл бұрын

@@wellitstrue1138 What heart? At 6 weeks, all you're seeing on an ultrasound is some electrical activity in a region of cells that will become the AV node. There is no real heart to beat until around week 20. Sure, the cells that will become he heart are present earlier in gestation. But they do not show the organization necessary to effectively circulate blood around the body until week 20.

Just minutes after arguing God has the right as the “Lord of life” to kill a child “for whatever reason” he then scoffs at the idea that Hitler was correct just because he had the power and “called the shots”

@Xrahke

5 жыл бұрын

This AF

@wellitstrue1138

5 жыл бұрын

You might need to clean your ears. His point is, it's wrong that God killed people in the Old Testament but it's okay if we kill people here now. What is the difference between you in a fetus inside of a woman's belly? Genetically speaking? I'll tell you what the difference is, nothing.

@jilliansmith7123

5 жыл бұрын

Well, there is a small difference, Well. Developmental age. At one point we are all eggs and sperm, most of which are destroyed one way and another. something like 30-40% of all pregnancies end spontaneously, without the woman's consent or the fetus' consent or even anyone's particular knowledge. Is that a travesty on their humanity? As we get old and face death, is that with our consent? I bet it's not! Why do you think we had to invent eternal life and salvation? To pretend we can somehow circumvent the inevitability of our own permanent demises. We are as ephemeral as the butterflies...but a little less fluttery.

@KirstenMarie_MS3

5 жыл бұрын

@@wellitstrue1138 Using genetics as a determinant is incredibly reductionist. What's the difference, genetically speaking, between you and a tumor in your liver? It's also nothing. So, genetically speaking, removing that tumor is murder.

@heinzguderian9980

5 жыл бұрын

Whenever it comes to the government, Christians will talk about how "absolute power corrupts absolutely" but they either conveniently forget when it comes to God, or they give insipid justifications about his "great understanding."

He had it explained to him over and over and completely failed to understand a very simple thing.If, immediately after the call ended, he was asked to explain Tracie and Jen's position, i'm certain he would misrepresent them.

@seanjones2456

5 жыл бұрын

This could be a video displaying dunning krueger.

@VYDZ

5 жыл бұрын

Every cell of the unborn's body is genetically distinct from every cell in the mother's body. Though it’s possible for someone to have a transplanted organ that does not share the same genetic code as the rest their body, that transplanted organ does match the genetic code of the original donor. The same can not be said of an unborn child.

@anandsuralkar2947

4 жыл бұрын

Right

@TheSnoeedog

2 жыл бұрын

he'd be too busy holding down his unwilling wife and thrusting into her his views on consent

"now... are you reading that in greek or in hebrew"

@CyberBeep_kenshi

3 жыл бұрын

That was sooooo dishonest.

It's scary how many people don't comprehend what consent is😐

This is so painful. Really unfortunate that this guy procreated

@MJW238

5 жыл бұрын

Merp! You’re advocating eugenics.

@Charzilian

5 жыл бұрын

It's honestly painful listening to both sides of this. I really don't care if someone wants an abortion, that's for them to decide and deal with later. I'm more concerned with the so called logic these two hold lol and the fact that I'm the only one in the comments section that points out their flaw is very undiscerning.

@jaymiddleton1782

4 жыл бұрын

Bacon Sizzle point out the flaw in their understanding

@phookiephook1043

4 жыл бұрын

He was annoyed these women weren’t as stupid as the poor dull woman that mates with him.

@buttthecat1354

3 жыл бұрын

He is just realizing that he didn't have to have kids. lol think about whats going on in his head. "so you are saying i could have........"

"Why do care about innocent children dying in the old testament?" Wtf?

@himi6536

5 жыл бұрын

The best retort to that would be "then why do you care about women aborting their fetuses?"

@supreme5580

2 жыл бұрын

"Some people having unprotected sex cuz they're idiots" the freaking irony...

When the instructions from the bible doesn't suit their narrative " you're taking it out of context" "that's your perception of the story" how can you argue with someone like this.. its impossible

@heinzguderian9980

5 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson argument tactics.

@gagedillon8090

2 жыл бұрын

I got into argument over the biblical conception of the universe, but it somehow shifted to whether the Bible encourages genocide. I pointed out the beginning of Deuteronomy 7 and this girl told me to read the rest of Deuteronomy to get the true point of it. So I did. And what I read only strengthened my original point. I seriously do not understand how some people don't realize that some statements stand alone and do not need context as they say exactly what they mean and they mean exactly what they say as there is nothing else to say.

@supreme5580

2 жыл бұрын

@@gagedillon8090 the point is religion sucks the living brain cells out of people and impairs them to view & process bible passages as anyone else...

Caller: it's not a fetus, it's a human and therefore a person. Host: People aren't allowed to violate another person. Caller: it's a baby and more than a person. It gets to do whatever it wants.

@rhaynes46

5 жыл бұрын

LOL. It's hilarious to me that this idiot would WANT to call in and be dominated.

@wellitstrue1138

5 жыл бұрын

Genetically speaking is a fetus different than a person. If so can you please explain. Don't worry I'll wait. I'll allow you to go on Google and do your research

@ApocryphalDude

5 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that genetics don't indicate personhood.

@rebekahplatzer6203

4 жыл бұрын

It gets a chance at life, abortion takes that away.

@mrsatire9475

Ай бұрын

@@rebekahplatzer6203 The sperm gets a chance at life, abstinence takes that away

As a man I am tired of men coming and saying what a woman should do with their body. Regardless of whether it’s a person in the womb or not, someone does not get to use another person’s body without consent. It is NOT hard to comprehend

@mathildeyoung1823

Ай бұрын

What's not hard to comprehend is that if you put a defenseless human being in a position of dependence on you then you need to BE RESPONSIBLE and ensure that human being's safety to the best of your ability.

@mrsatire9475

Ай бұрын

@@mathildeyoung1823 What's not hard to comprehend is that life does not begin at conception. The sperm is not dead when it swims up to the egg.

@mathildeyoung1823

Ай бұрын

@@mrsatire9475 Perhaps this will help in your education: “gametes are human cells, but embryos are entire living human beings.” Dr. Joachim Huarte and Dr. Antoine Suarez

@mrsatire9475

Ай бұрын

@@mathildeyoung1823 Since it is a baby, let him adopt the embryo

@mathildeyoung1823

Ай бұрын

@@mrsatire9475 people need to BE RESPONSIBLE and ensure the safety of their offspring, born or unborn, at least as long as it takes to hand them off SAFELY to someone else.

I am learning so much from you guys. I sincerely thank you for doing what you do.

@ttp513

5 жыл бұрын

@Lady Skeptic Same....

@elisapelaccia6484

3 жыл бұрын

Adam Grotto- Me too! I totally envy Tracie's debating skills! She is so eloquent, and always manages to maintain her composure. There are certain topics that I refuse to debate, and THIS is one of them! I just really resent anybody who feels that they have the right to tell ME what to do with MY body! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, but they do NOT have the right to force their beliefs on other people. I would have lost it with this guy a long time ago! What a fucking moron! 😡

@mathildeyoung1823

3 жыл бұрын

So you learned that abortion kills a human being and still support it?

@mathildeyoung1823

3 жыл бұрын

@@elisapelaccia6484 Only a moron would believe that abortion is about doing something to your body. It's about doing something to the body of another human being (i.e. KILLING THEM). As far as laws based on our beliefs by your "logic" we should get rid of animal cruelty laws. Those laws are based on our BELIEF that dogs and cats shouldn't be abused....

@mathildeyoung1823

3 жыл бұрын

It's not the woman's body killed in an abortion though. Both men and women need to be responsible for their offspring, born and unborn. Neither should be allowed to kill them. Both should support their offspring - financially, emotionally etc.

damn this guy is hard to listen to

@wellitstrue1138

5 жыл бұрын

It's always hard to listen to somebody when the truth convicts them

@Charzilian

5 жыл бұрын

It's hard to listen to all of them tbh.

@nates9029

5 жыл бұрын

Poptartking 99 - Yeah, he is clearly a product of inbreeding and poor schooling. I fell bad for people this fucking dumb.

@nates9029

5 жыл бұрын

@@wellitstrue1138 - He couldn't convince anyone of ANYTHING except that inbreeding is clearly a problem, that the schools where he lives are horrible and have failed him.

@amandarios448

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know what's worse. • the rottem potato quality phone call • the annoying voice • the bad mental acrobatics • the changing subjects when he's wrong, • The really weak arguments

Take it to fourth grade 😂 this man has a mind of a fourth grader

I’m not the originator of this but if men got pregnant there would be absolute no question about abortion. I hope I can remember Tracies analogy about rape vs consensual sex, makes it crystal clear to me.

@jamespawson6045

3 жыл бұрын

Religious people say god is crystal clear for them...... Your first argument is hypothetical and generalises across all men.

@YY4Me133

Жыл бұрын

@Jerry Penna "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." - Florynce Kennedy

@JerryPenna

Жыл бұрын

@@YY4Me133 💯

@LucaGRizzi

11 ай бұрын

Yeah and we would be probably forcing women to get vasectomies

I've been listening to the show since before I was an atheist and I never recall anyone saying "atheist only" in regard to any kind of get-together they've ever talked about.

@wendytipton5607

5 жыл бұрын

It would not tax my imagination one bit that he misunderstood that as well. His comprehension is practically non-existent.

10:38 Paraphrasing: "It's like when we say we annihilated the other team in a game. I don't think they really annihilated those people". Wow. That's some hard-core mental gymnastics.

I think this guy needs to be taught what’s autonomy means.

@user-uu7fe9wi2k

3 жыл бұрын

Because men (and I am one) can not understand what a woman has to go through in the process of pregnancy

@sfprivateer

Жыл бұрын

He was taught for 20 minutes, and his brain was on short circuit the whole time and did not learn a fucking thing.

@Ms.Amylia_Clenny

10 ай бұрын

An Autonomy definition would help. A lot of people, including those who use the word, don't fully understand what that word means.

when a fundie starts with "let me ask you a question", and then you can hear the excitement as they spring what they think is the "gotcha". And then the confusion when the panelists don't immediately convert.......

He doesn't get it.

@ThugByChoice

5 жыл бұрын

Jon Quist he doesn’t have a uterus.

@jonquist9950

5 жыл бұрын

@@ThugByChoice - That too. But I know lots of other people who don't have a uterus, who get it.

@EvenGodsDie

5 жыл бұрын

The bodily autonomy argument is a bad one. They need to stick with the "It's not a human, so it doesn't have any rights at all", argument.

@EvenGodsDie

5 жыл бұрын

@SWAGGQUEEN200 I didn't make an argument, so your response is dogshit. If it has nothing to do with Bodily Autonomy....then why the fuck would the hosts of the show be mentioning a thing that is has nothing to do with?

@beardyweirdy4843

5 жыл бұрын

@SWAGGQUEEN200 no response to Brad then? Lol

“The fetus isn’t violating her body, it’s a natural process!” YES IT IS violating her body because it is using her bodily organs against her will and living inside of her when she doesn’t want it there!!

If I am going to die without one of your kidneys can I take one without your permission?

@grayson0916

5 жыл бұрын

nancy white if the reason you’re dying is a result of my own choice then yes, have one of my kidneys.

@grayson0916

5 жыл бұрын

Doug Royce it’s a joke. A fetus exists of your own actions and sustains itself from your own actions. Is it okay to drink and do meth while pregnant? Obviously not. Ask yourself why.

@dougroyce5784

5 жыл бұрын

Your last comment exist either because of faults in your logic or being intellectually dishonest. Were you this interested in protesting the Iraq/Afghanistan war? @@grayson0916

@grayson0916

5 жыл бұрын

Doug Royce lmao I support abortion right and wasn’t old enough to know what a war in Iraq was. Wicked comeback though. If the fetus shouldn’t be able to change your actions or life why shouldn’t you be able to smoke meth when pregnant? It is violating the woman’s body after all, apparently she owes nothing to the fetus.

@dougroyce5784

5 жыл бұрын

You're not old enough? It just ended in like 2013! Are you 10?@@grayson0916

Tracie and Jen, you have the patience of ten saints apiece. I was convinced that the person was a prank caller; I probably would have hung up on them, and I'm impressed that you didn't.

@docwobbles

5 жыл бұрын

HIM, not THEM.

@davidstorrs

5 жыл бұрын

@@docwobbles Both are grammatically correct. I'm guessing you're uncomfortable with recent schools of thought about gender?

@user-uu7fe9wi2k

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidstorrs i think he pointed out "him" because the only ones who seem to fight abortion are the ones who don't understand how hard pregnancy is, of course this is not to say all people who don't understand it fight it, because I am a man and am strongly in favor of abortion

When he realizes women have rights, he then tries to argue thats rights arent even real

Jen and Tracie's stance on abortion is the only philosophically consistent pro-choice position on the issue that I've heard. It's a position that acknowledges that the fetus is a human being and asigns it the same exact rights that it does to any other human being.

@skindred1888

Жыл бұрын

I know, so often the question gets turned into when a fetus is human or some bullshit

@NottherealLucifer

5 ай бұрын

​@@skindred1888Incorrect, the point is always "Is a fetus a person?" and the answer, objectively, is no it isn't.

@NottherealLucifer

5 ай бұрын

No, OP, you moron, that isn't what happened here. A fetus doesn't have the same rights the rest of us do, if it did women would be charged with manslaughter if they had a miscarriage, and abortions would be universally illegal. Fetuses don't have the rights that we do, and they only have a tiny fraction of rights at all that are given only when their mother intends to carry them to term. They aren't protected by most rights until they're born, and none of them have the rights the rest of us have until they're eighteen. You're hearing what you fucking want to hear.

@llkiii3139

4 ай бұрын

​@NottherealLucifer We can sidestep the entire "is the fetus a person" question. Because going down that path leads to all sorts of thorny issues. So I just grant that the fetus is indeed a person and go with the bodily autonomy argument.

This needs to play on every tv in Alabama on a loop.

@christophzeit6282

3 жыл бұрын

Television? That's witchcraft

Well, that went on for about 20 minutes too long.

You ladies are going to have to stop using rape as an analogy. These guys aren't getting it. Instead, use a prostate exam as an example. Point out the difference in consenting for a doctor to insert a digit, and someone randomly sticking a finger in there.

@a.vulcan6282

4 жыл бұрын

La Bella You'd be surprised how much people are able to "not understand" when it's convenient for them!

The commonality of these frustrating callers like John here is they are unable to listen and understand. He makes an argument, the hosts respond, he goes on to make the same point as though it wasn't already addressed. When they are challenged on their very argument's reasoning, they ignore the question. They aren't interested in or even able to have a dialog.

I am so glad that I watched these episodes regarding abortion, because now it's better to argue using the idea of consent, because that is what is one of the reasons why a women's right to choice is so important, because if she didn't consent to having something (or rather someone) use her body, she should have the choice to terminate the pregnancy. I also have to take note that many men who call in, like in a previous episode, seem to be OK with men not having to be forced to give up their bodily autonomy, but women should be forced to. Misogyny is alive and kicking in this country, and it's scary AF.

@grayson0916

5 жыл бұрын

As someone who supports abortion being a right to women I think you’re argument as well as hers are seriously flawed. The pregnancy is a DIRECT result of the woman’s actions (unless she is raped). Meaning it’s not a violation. It’s a result. Sex is in fact optional, especially unprotected sex. If someone falls off a cliff but you catch them before they fall all the way, it’s not morally justifiable for you to then let go because they are now violating your body by depending on it to get back up onto the cliff.

@emilyelizabeth8654

5 жыл бұрын

@@grayson0916 Having sex doesn't mean consenting to 9 months of gestation except under your bullshit patriarchal views. The conversation would be completely different if males got pregnant instead of females. You'd gain a thorough understanding of the meaning of consent and bodily autonomy shockingly fast.

@VYDZ

5 жыл бұрын

@@emilyelizabeth8654 If roughly half of all pregnancies result in a male, isn't it a matriarchal society?

@emilyelizabeth8654

5 жыл бұрын

@@VYDZ lolwut

@VYDZ

5 жыл бұрын

@@emilyelizabeth8654 What determines whether men exist?

Yes John.... A woman has rights.... Scary to hear how hard this is to understanding for religious nut jobs.

@EvenGodsDie

5 жыл бұрын

Do you think that a woman has bodily autonomy?

@jonquist9950

5 жыл бұрын

@@EvenGodsDie - That she DOES have bodily autonomy, or that she SHOULD have bodily autonomy? Women SHOULD have full bodily autonomy. But with the way abortion is being regulated (and rape isn't taken seriously), they don't have it right now.

@EvenGodsDie

5 жыл бұрын

@@jonquist9950 if a person has the right to full bodily autonomy, it would make it completely legal to leave children to die on the side of the road. Or leave their children in parked cars with the windows rolled up when it's 100 degrees outside.

@jonquist9950

5 жыл бұрын

@@EvenGodsDie - No, because that effects the childs right to bodily autonomy. Please don't start a disingenuous argument that you know doesn't make sense, just because you can't defend what you really want to defend.

@EvenGodsDie

5 жыл бұрын

@@jonquist9950 the bodily autonomy argument being made in this video is that a mother has the right to deny the unborn child the use of her womb, which will lead to the death of the child. The mother created a situation in which an unborn child is dependant on her womb for survival, and the mother then can decide that it's her body, and she no longer wants to allow the unborn child to use it, and that directly leads to the death of the child. That is no different than me walking into the middle of the desert, carrying a baby, and then deciding to deny the child the use of my body to carry it, so I just drop it in the dirt and walk off. In both of those scenarios, the child is dependant on a person for it's survival, and that person invokes their right to bodily Autonomy, and decides they no longer want to use their body to support a child, and the child dies. Nothing about that infringes on the child's right to bodily autonomy.

Body autonomy, HE CANT UNDERSTAND IT

@piotr.ziolo.

3 жыл бұрын

He rather expressed himself clearly. He values life of a human being more than convenience. If for instance you're irresponsible enough to have unprotected sex, you're healthy and the fetus is healthy, then terminating a human life (of your own offspring, not some random life) to avoid inconvenience for 9 months doesn't look like a very decent behavior.

~ Thank you, Jen and Tracie, for this archived video. ~ There is no man on this earth that has the right to force his will on any woman about what to do with her body in any way 100%. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~

@wellitstrue1138

5 жыл бұрын

Oh you must be confused. He wasn't talking about her body he was talking about a separate body inside of her body

"do you believe genecide is immoral?" um... who asks that question?

@supreme5580

2 жыл бұрын

John: uhh.. which God am I answering to? I'm gonna need your access code for security reasons...

Every time the caller heard the word "rape" he just automatically thought they were talking about the abortion for rape victims. he literally could not understand any other context where the word rape could be used.

This is a great call. Really clarified the position. I needed that. Thanks!

I think the violinist scenario is the best philosophical explanation of bodily autonomy with regard to abortions

It's bodily autonomy, why is that hard to comprehend? If the caller would listen instead of interrupting while assuming what he is being told this call could have been less painful and 10 minutes shorter.

@Wraithknight2

5 жыл бұрын

He doesn't understand the difference between a fetus not being an infant and a child outside of the womb that can survive on its own. And neither side is picking up on that.

@EvenGodsDie

5 жыл бұрын

Because, women don't actually have bodily autonomy, as far as I can tell.

@EvenGodsDie

5 жыл бұрын

@@Wraithknight2 Why do you make a distinction between it being inside or outside of the womb?

@davec-1378

5 жыл бұрын

@@EvenGodsDie Do you have bodily autonomy?

@EvenGodsDie

5 жыл бұрын

@@davec-1378 If I am allowed to leave a baby to die in a hot car, then I have bodily autonomy.... Does the government have the right to force me to use my body, to remove my child from a hot car with all of the windows rolled up, in the middle of the summer?

With theists it is so often the case that they have to explain really simple ideas to them as though they were 9 year old children.

12:15 is so important. Thank you, Tracie.

These two are so agreeable, so much patience!

Reductio ad Hitlerium. Every internet conversation which is long enough would call in Hitler as a comparison point.

@Alakaizer

4 жыл бұрын

Good old Godwin's Law.

Why are men....in this case "white" men, so fixated on this subject? Why?

@rebekahplatzer6203

4 жыл бұрын

Because the willful destruction of innocent human life is a problem.

@G_Demolished

3 жыл бұрын

Because their dominion over women has been gradually eroding, and they see this a chance to fight it.

Pick and choose. Say it together now, pick and choose, pick and choose...

lol trying so hard for the “gotcha” moment and failed miserably

As long as a fetus isn't sentient and/or conscious, I have no problem on DESTROYING it with unicorn farts.!...! That's why i'm pro-choice... the feelings that matter are the mother's... cause ..you know... she FEELS...

@VYDZ

5 жыл бұрын

End of week 8. The embryo becomes a fetus, all structures present in rudimentary form. Week 14 or thereabouts. “Quickening,” the flutter a woman feels in her abdomen that will progress to squirms and kicks from within. Week 21. A fetus has a (very slim) chance of becoming a premature baby if delivered.

@AlexWh1

5 жыл бұрын

@@VYDZ Demonstrate that a fetus can be sentient and/or conscious (which is ridiculous imo) and i'd still be pro-choice. Nothing has the right to live at the expense of someone else's health/body. Thinking otherwise is immoral and disgusting imo. Find an argument that's against the right of a woman to have an abortion that is NOT religious non-sense and then we will talk ;)

@VYDZ

5 жыл бұрын

The neural circuitry responsible for the most primitive response to pain, the spinal reflex, is in place by 8 weeks of development, this is the earliest point at which the fetus experiences pain in any capacity.

@AlexWh1

5 жыл бұрын

@@VYDZ And how exactly is showing that a fetus can have a response to pain demonstrates consciousness? (We basically don't know what consciousness is... let alone what is or isn't conscious.) And keep in mind that if this is your reason, you would also have to be against killing anything that has the capacity to respond to pain... I don't really know but, I guess that a lot of insects have the capacity to respond to pain... Btw... I woudn't use the word "experience" pain... because it carries a lot of baggage that doesn't necessarily applies to this situation.

@AlexWh1

5 жыл бұрын

@@redmatrixx It depends. Yes if the doctors say that I have practically no chance of ever waking up.! Take my organs to save as much people as you can.! If my coma was probably temporary, let's say 9 months for example ;) .... then no. Because it would make my family and friends suffer greatly unnecessarily. (Does an abortion cause unnecessary suffering?) If the pregnant person judges that the suffering carried by this decision is worth the result, then it's their choice imo. I would not be surviving at the expense of someone else's health and AGAINST THEIR WILL.... So.... if that was an attempt to do an analogy.... then try again.! cause it fails miserably .!

John is not listening.

@MegaeffinGarchomp17

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like John refuses to think about anything in any detail past the black and white. He wants to just rely on religion

My favorite composition of hosts.

“You’re very smart with science, right? You agree with science?” 😂😂😂

Getting information into a guy that never stops talking.

I think the phrasing (of violation) confused the guy, like I understand what you mean, but also I understand why he was confused

Saying aborting a fetus is the same as murdering an adult person is absurd to an extreme degree. I have 0 respect for these pro-life people.

Doesn't the bible give instructions on how to perform abortions?

Listening to this guy made me forget how to do basic algebra

I don’t know how people can get soooo confused about this. Should you be allowed to consent to X happening to YOUR own body?? If Yes then everyone should have the same choice.

"Look, this is not hard" she said to the person whose brain doesn't work.

I love how all the comparisions and principles go right above his head. They dont hit a single string...:-D

I don’t know how you do this weekly. I barely made it to 12 minutes and had to stop. Don’t know if I can take the rest. 🤦‍♀️

I'm a guy and this was frustrating to listen to.

I love watching these two !!

Theists refuses to socialize with Atheists. Theists asking Atheists: "Why won't you socialize with Believers?" Theists preaches about their belief. Theist asking Atheists: "Why don't you keep your Atheism to yourself?" I see a pattern here.

Caller is ok to kill in self defense or war. So killing is not the problem.

Not his business, no matter what he thinks. Especially if religion based. Oh! Yahweh is the ultimate abortionist, according to the perfect book of morality.

@christabelidahosa8228

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t matter he has a right to say want he wants

@supreme5580

2 жыл бұрын

I remember growing up they would say the story where God hid babies from Pharaoh so he shouldn't kill him and bathe in their blood and God came and breastfed them... Believers out there you just need to pray God should give birth to all the babies that are being aborted case closed...

Jen's smirk at 8.46 cracked me up

It’s so sad that he needs consent spelled out for him like this repeatedly. These ladies were so patient and articulate and he still did not understand 😬

I love their arrogance to tell you what you think. He is jealous that you can. He can't figure how that works.

It is a "moral right" for an individual to choose to protect and defend their own autonomy. So let's be clear, pregnancy does not happen spontaneously. Pregnancy is the result of a foreign biological entity infecting the host. The host has final and ultimate right of refusal.

@michaelhunt372

2 жыл бұрын

And the woman's body helped the sperm fertilize her ovum, used the fallopian tube to transport the unborn, and engaged in cell signaling to communicate to the unborn where to go. It is very important to attribute fault correctly. The woman is 100% at fault is if she consented to the sexual act that created the baby.

@fyimediaworld

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelhunt372 - none of that bullshit you just spewed matters. No living organism has an absolute right to any part of another living organism for survival. The woman whose uterus is being coopted has an absolute right at any time to withdraw consent, regardless of the outcome to the coopting organism. You can choose to donate a kidney, but you can also choose to not donate it, even if it means the recipient dies as a result of your choice.

@michaelhunt372

2 жыл бұрын

​@@fyimediaworld I reject any comparison to transplants. They are are not a part of normal human development and often fail anyway. That said, if I caused your need, I absolutely have a moral obligation, even if not a legal one. Remember that for most of human history, the only form of sustenance available to newborns was breastmilk. And, in the developing world, that can still be the case. Actually, at this moment, it may be coming close to that here as well. A lactating state keeps many hormones elevated for months and increases the mother's caloric needs even more than pregnancy. Yet, I am sure most would agree that if there are no alternatives, a mother has no right to refuse to breastfeed, certainly if she consented to the sexual act that created the infant and knew there would be no alternatives when she consented to that act. If you think she should have such a right to refuse, there's not much I can say. But, I consider that conclusion so outrageous as to not warrant consideration. If you don't want a baby, the only moral option is to abstain from the sort of intercourse that creates babies.

they handled that in a very civilized manner. very refreshing to see that, and wow this was 2018 there is hope for the world! now if only some people would evaluate/practice what they are preaching

Ok if men were the ones that got pregnant abortion would not be in question.

@joshotey2967

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Men would just suck it up and drive on without whining and bickering about not being able to kill their children.

@fireball_55

5 жыл бұрын

No, most men would never go through pregnancy and childbirth. They’re not willing to have a watermelon-sized object pass through their penis. Nor are they willing to have a team of medical professionals touch their penis during labor and birth.

@a.vulcan6282

4 жыл бұрын

The Corruption Men aren't even obliged by law to give their infant an ounce of blood to save its life, so what are you talking about?

This "man" is like so many that post here....totally unable to comprehend that a woman's body is a woman's body.....HER OWN BODY, with zero input from ANYONE ELSE or their opinions. It is very clear, that when he says that "I just think", quite clearly he does not think. His opinion, to him, needs to over rule everyone else's opinion.

child birth is not an inconvenience, that shit is hard.

@shanewilson7994

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, its a bit more than just inconvenient. There are short term, long term, and permanent health risks involved with carrying to term.

11:46 lol "When you take text out of context you get con(ned)". I'm gonna have to remember that line the next time I debate a theist.

It must be made clearer that those that are pro-choice are against an abortion after a certain time has passed. I do not know anyone agreeing to abortion very late i the pregnancy.

@joshotey2967

5 жыл бұрын

Why not late in the pregnancy? Why should a woman have to give up her bodily autonomy then?

@druidriley3163

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. Horrific genetic diseases and birth defects often don't manifest until the 3rd trimester. Fetuses die in the womb usually by strangulation, late in the pregnancy. A bad positioning of the child could endanger the mother's life. Why should the mother be stuck carrying these pregnancies to term for no reason?

@joshotey2967

5 жыл бұрын

@@druidriley3163 Anyone that's done 5 minutes worth of research knows that most late term abortions are purely elective though. But hey, that's only about 15k a year here in America.

18:41 EXACTLY 🤷🏾‍♂️😂🚫✝️ It’s solely the mother’s decision! This caller is clearly slow, like many of his religious peers.

@NottherealLucifer

5 ай бұрын

​@davidblack741Maybe if you ate a bullet you could stop being so butthurt about this. Women can get abortions all they want, you aren't the arbiter of abortions.

That guy was a joke 😂

The issue is that this guy couldn't understand that pregnancies are an actual violation of someone's body. The change the woman's body, feed off of it, live inside it, and can pose a danger to it. If you don't want to experience this sort of violation, much like in rape, you shouldn't be forced to. Simple.

I think I see the problem. John : women ARE NOT incubators. They are human beings.

How many fetuses will remember themself in the womb? Do they know they are a baby about to be born? Will they miss life? I don't think so. Will they know they are a unwhanted child? Might they end up in foster care or dumped in a garbage bin? Before u try to stop abortions try taking care of the babys of this world that already are born. When you've done that we can talk...

@Normalizing-polyamory

5 жыл бұрын

Erika Furberg good point

@missminti

5 жыл бұрын

ANTI's cant accept this though. They are taught only to find fault, to scorn and ultimately convert anyone that does not align with their beliefs. I cannot fathom how the bible even relates to the topic of abortion but they somehow apply it....

@emilyelizabeth8654

5 жыл бұрын

@@missminti The Bible is actually very pro-abortion. It's not even a religious position to be against abortion; it's just pure patriarchy.

@rebekahplatzer6203

4 жыл бұрын

So killing the child is helping the child? I don't get it, explain please.

@erikafurberg6271

4 жыл бұрын

@@rebekahplatzer6203 there is no child. It's just the beginning of one.

Suppose someone comes to your house during a storm and you don't know them but you invite them in to wait out the storm the storm is over but they won't leave whether it's one month or 9 months you have my permission to do whatever it takes to get them to leave. A home invader or a womb invader makes no difference if you don't want them there get them out.

@bryanperkins4987

5 жыл бұрын

Bad comparison, just like tracie's. Half of the "invader" is part of the owner of the home. The other half may or may not have been invited in by the owner. The "storm" can only be used as a comparison to being forcibly invaded. And the "invader" is only doing what nature intended to do when a homeowner willingly or not allows an invader in. It has no awareness that its invading a home for 9 months. Now dont get me wrong, I'm not against abortion. I am however against how you and Tracie are comparing pregnancy.

@mdaniel202

5 жыл бұрын

@@bryanperkins4987 you're right it's not a perfect comparison. In my scenario you're dealing with two actual human beings. in The unwanted pregnancy you have one human being and one potential future human being. The rights and wishes of the living human woman outweigh all other concerns as regards to the pregnancy.

@bryanperkins4987

5 жыл бұрын

@ Michael Daniel I agree the rights and wishes should be respected, but I think we shouldn't agree to the type of language Tracie is using to justify abortions. It leaves the door open to people not having any responsibility to their actions. At least concerning having irresponsible sex that leads to the whole abortion issue. I hope I worded that right

@nicolab2075

3 ай бұрын

​@@bryanperkins4987 Who gets to decide what sex is 'irresponsible'? You? And if you agree that abortion is a right, so what if sex leads to an abortion?

@bryanperkins4987

3 ай бұрын

@nicolab2075 I don't know... Life, evolution, God, Gods'. If you engage intentionally in an act that can result in an outcome that you don't want, wouldn't that count as being irresponsible? If you and I willingly throw knives at each other and something terrible happens as a result of it, would we both be irresponsible for that? Are we entitled to have our terrible actions cured? We have the knowledge to enact abortions, but imagine a time before we had that knowledge. If one party (the male) wasn't forced to take responsibility and bailed, and they were alone with no tribe, what could the other party (the female) do? She would be in danger for years, from pregnancy, up until the child is old enough to take care or assist in taking care of itself. So, who would be more responsible for said pregnancy? We live in a society where we have the luxury of asking your questions, but there was a time when such knowledge was obvious. I time where one's feelings or ideologies truly didn't matter. The only thing that mattered was surviving, and whose responsibility was decided by nature or by some God that set up the scenarios

John, so righteous, and so obtuse.

" When it comes to abortion I respect body autonomy , When it comes to vaccines , not so much ."

@mathildeyoung1823

2 жыл бұрын

what about the unborn child's body?

@Amanda-zg9pz

2 жыл бұрын

@@mathildeyoung1823 an abortion is the medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy. This is a right of a woman since it resides within and uses her body.

@mathildeyoung1823

2 жыл бұрын

@@Amanda-zg9pz There is no right to kill an innocent human being. The Supreme Court said abortions could be restricted after viability - and that was when they recognized an unborn child only as a "potential" - now that we known an unborn child is an ACTUAL human being we need to be able to protect them before and after viability.

@Amanda-zg9pz

2 жыл бұрын

@@mathildeyoung1823 did you not watch the video? They explicitly say that unique DNA is created at conception. The debate is not over whether the unborn is a human the debate is over whether the mother consents to the pregnancy. The unborn is violating her body to continue to grow, she has to give consent to this process or else she has the right to terminate it. Viability is a secondary determining factor and the main reason that it is exceedingly hard and very rare to have an abortion after 21 weeks.

@mathildeyoung1823

2 жыл бұрын

@@Amanda-zg9pz Abortion violates the body of an innocent human being in the worst way - by killing them. That is way worse than the law telling someone to BE RESPONSIBLE for the human being they created and ensure their safety. What is wrong with people that they think it's OK to kill an innocent human being to make their lives easier? it boggles my mind that a couple could create a new human being and then think it's OK to kill that new human being.

I'm pro-choice but some of the arguments here were undercooked. Rights are more than a legal term, they are a philosophical concept that suggests a space of autonomy somehow intrinsic to the individual that cannot be infringed upon, even by law. A law(s) can be in conflict with a right and therefore they are separate concepts. Also, I don't know who constructed the "Fetus violating the mother" argument but it is a misuse of language. By definition, violation requires a moral agent breaking a rule. Unless it is an instance of rape, the woman is consenting to at least the possibility of pregnancy. In that case, the zygote, fetus, baby (whatever you call it) is either a moral agent who can make a violation or it is not a moral agent. If you give it moral agency (which a violator would require) it hurts your pro-choice argument. You'd have to call it an intruder or parasite in order to be consistent.

@druidriley3163

5 жыл бұрын

Write songs - the fetus is using the mother's internal systems without her permission. No differnent that if someone stuck a needle in you and started to drain your blood for someone else. That's a violation. Clearly.

@joshotey2967

5 жыл бұрын

@@druidriley3163 Just as much as the woman is using the mans sperm without his permission. Clearly a violation too by your logic. FAIL - AGAIN

@iwritesongs6965

5 жыл бұрын

@@druidriley3163 That's a false equivalence. If you have consensual heterosexual sex as a woman you are consenting to the possible chain of events that creates a fetus. Obviously rape is different. The argument needs to be stronger on the prochoice side. That's a weak argument.

@iwritesongs6965

5 жыл бұрын

@@druidriley3163 That's a false equivalence. I don't think you understood my objection.

@druidriley3163

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshotey2967 - if a guy doesn't want his sperm misused, he should be careful that he doesn't leave it somewhere where it can be, right?

I'd like to pose this question in response to the body violation. A person has a property, on which people can violate if they trespass. The man has the right to shoot any trespassors dead with no legal reprecussions. Only problem, He doesn't put any signs up, nor is there a fence around the property. Does that mean that we should sell him the ammo to shoot and kill any unlucky shmuck who wanders on his property? Or, is it more moral to spend money to build a large fence outside his property and put signs around it? That way no one is likely to die.

@Rat-Baby

5 жыл бұрын

This analogy doesn't really work because people who don't want to get pregnant do try to take steps to avoid pregnancy. The problem is that some people are poorly educated on how to use birth control or their birth control fails.

@rageofheaven

5 жыл бұрын

You can't use deadly force with the intent of protecting property in most first world countries. Full stop.

@andrewagyeman3338

5 жыл бұрын

If the thing being shot at has sentiment then it's reprehensible but if it's a thing with no ability to suffer pain,why not?

@jaege

5 жыл бұрын

If you shoot someone, DEAD, who stumbles onto your property, fence or no fence there will be legal repercussions, likely an arrest and probably a trial. As least in the USA.

@jaege

5 жыл бұрын

@Karla Jordan Depends on why he is there and what he is doing. You cant legally just shoot someone for the sole reason that they are standing on your property. Now, if your dog were to inadvertently maul them, well, whose fault is that?

Listening to this guy is killing my brain cells. Even after 20 times of explanation, he still cannot get the difference between killing a born baby who is not violating anyone, vs losing the fetus because it was violating the mother's body.

Dense as a rock, he is.

Numbers 5:11-26. Literal instructions for abortion,right out of the bible.

I am confused as to why people like this invent these wild hypotheticals and then go on the offensive when they do get the answer they are looking for. It's so frustrating listening to people like him.

@wellitstrue1138

5 жыл бұрын

It's so frustrating looking at a male that's dressed up like a female. Hashtag profile picture

Logic, just letters to this man. Bless him.

"When you take text or if context you always get conned." Is that something preachers are saying that someone thought sounded clever?

I'm agreement with Tracie and Jenn. But better wording should be found re pregnancy is a violation.

@emilyelizabeth8654

5 жыл бұрын

An unwanted pregnancy IS a violation. Many women die from pregnancy, and in general, it's a huge strain on the body. Pregnancy is not a cake walk, and an unwanted pregnancy is most certainly a violation of bodily autonomy. It's the most accurate wording.

@rebekahplatzer6203

4 жыл бұрын

@@emilyelizabeth8654 every unborn human dies from an abortion. Which is worse?

@emilyelizabeth8654

4 жыл бұрын

@@rebekahplatzer6203 Which is worse? Well let's see, on the one hand we have a fetus being stopped from reaching full development-something which happens without human intervention quite frequently in nature for all mammals. On the other hand, we have one's agency over one's own body stripped from them for the sick desire to elevate the so-called "rights" of a fetus over the "rights" of the person who is being forced to carry that fetus to term so that the world has YET ANOTHER unwanted child, who, statistically, will fare worse than their peers. So in this scenario, we've caused harm all around. Yeah, I'll go with terminating a fetus being preferable to forcing women to give birth to unwanted children.

@rebekahplatzer6203

4 жыл бұрын

@@emilyelizabeth8654 So to help the unwanted child I will kill the unwanted child...........for it's own good? Ummmm what!?

@emilyelizabeth8654

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebekahplatzer6203 A fetus is not a child. It is a collection of human cells. It does not have more rights than the host it relies upon to continue growing-just like how I'm allowed to wash my hands without calling it genocide for all the bacteria I'm killing.

You know further watching this video has actually made me lose all respect for you guys. Are seriously saying, that if you found out that the child that you're potentially going to give birth to had green eyes instead of your preferable brown you would be justified in destroying them? That is horrific, and John is right here. Regardless of religion or atheism that is obviously f*cking disgusting and I would like you to explain why it isn't.

@ricardovonkrypton8908

5 жыл бұрын

Well done. You missed the point.

@druidriley3163

5 жыл бұрын

Jim - the point you missed was that the reason is irrelevant TO YOU. It's not YOUR business WHY she has an abortion. MYOB. Most people I see who want to know WHY a woman has an abortion or wants to have an abortion is simply because they want to mind her business for her. They want to be able to pass judgment on her. It really chaps these people when they're told they have no right to know why she's having a medical procedure.

@joshotey2967

5 жыл бұрын

@@druidriley3163 Abortion is not a medical procedure. The practice of medicine is the treatment of an illness or injury. Pregnancy is neither. FAIL

@druidriley3163

5 жыл бұрын

@@joshotey2967 - Having gallstones is neither an illness or an injury. Is the surgery to remove the gallbladder a medical procedure or not? Try again.

@joshotey2967

5 жыл бұрын

@@druidriley3163 Seriously? Gallstones aren't an illness? That's why people scream and cry with pain and go to the hospital. Wow, just wow.

I don’t know if I would use the word “violated.” No violation has occurred if sex was consensual .

@shanewilson7994

3 жыл бұрын

If the z/e/f is using the pregnant person's body without consent, then they are being violated.

Listen to this guy and make sure you vote!

@33melonpaws77

5 жыл бұрын

I'm voting so hard from over here in Australia. ...Seriously at someone who wasn't going to vote, take my vote instead.