Great video , love the Chanel. Watched your video on Spyder , just brakein my Spyder and I am speechless about it , soooo good , handling, road holding is night and day. I came from 911 T , so the 6 speed MT and NA engine is mind bending combination. Little confuse about your comments that 781 is more raw than 718. Based on the exhaust noice I totally agree ( I order Kline exhaust on the way from dealership) , but if tub is the same , transmission is the same , suspension is from GT3 and better aero on the car , the only difference is 4 L engine and you pick older GT4? My Spyder got bucket seats 918, and soon will have OPF delete and Kline exhaust , I think it will be special .

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments. I love the 981 Spyder and the 718 Spyder. However the latter needs an aftermarket exhaust. The only point I will make here is that a 981 Spyder costs £65k in the UK on the used market. A 718 Spyder with an aftermarket exhaust would set you back around £95k. I do not think the 718 Spyder is worth £30K more. But both great cars.

The 718 GT4 is around 30-40 kg heavier, not 80 kg. The rest of the different is due to changes in how the weight is reported - they now report the base configuration’s weight rather than the lightest possible configuration

The original GT4 is the best car I’ve ever owned and regret selling most

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

The 981 GT4 and Spyder are both fantastic

I love listening to terrible music whilst trying to read tiny stats, especially in a car video

@HondaTrumpAi

3 жыл бұрын

😂 Isn't it something. Where is the answer in this video, I got shit to do

@secretivescorpio891

3 жыл бұрын

@@HondaTrumpAi tell me about it. I watch on my phone and the stats are so tiny I can't really read them

@RamosDominicano

3 жыл бұрын

People just love to complain about anything.

@secretivescorpio891

3 жыл бұрын

@@RamosDominicano I love cars a lot more than I love complaining. I was complaining about something not anything. I'm entitled to my opinion , same as you

@RamosDominicano

3 жыл бұрын

@@secretivescorpio891 agreed. But instead of complaining over a simple annoyance (I'm not a fan of the music eithee, too loud in my opinion) it's better to just enjoy the free content. Constructive criticism is more useful than sarcastic complaining. 👍🏽

Owned a 981 GT4, 991.1 GT3, and a McLaren 570s. I've also driven a variety of other cars including Ferraris. GT4 is the most fun car I've ever driven. It's the only car that I really miss and may actually buy again.

The 718 GT4 is an improvement over the 981 GT4 in aerodynamic, brakes and engine . In addition the 1st generation GT4 had 3rd gear issues where Porsche decided to cut corners by welding the 3rd gear onto the shaft rather than the traditional splined fitment. As a result there were many examples where the weld failed and owners lost 3rd gear and needed to have that problem fixed under warranty. Presumably the newer 718 version will have that problem remedied. The only negative is the higher price but to me is justified by the improved performance.

@AB-80X

2 жыл бұрын

Please explain this to me. How are the brakes better? They are the EXACT same.

Two things speak in favour of the 981: the sound and the lower number of units.

Its like dating a super model and comparing her sister.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

funny

@drbender439

3 жыл бұрын

I have both and love both 🤷‍♂️ would love 2 super models too though 😂

@mcopanzan

3 жыл бұрын

The super model's sister will work harder to make u smile more =P

@Bphillips2808

3 жыл бұрын

Lets be honest, you always end up comparing her sister

@NassNoName

2 жыл бұрын

ya her younger sexier sister

718 GT4 is 12 seconds faster around the Nurburgring than the 981 GT4, thats quite an improvement.

@HGUlmke

3 жыл бұрын

There are numerous changes on the Nordschleife since the 981 was there. You can no longer compare.

Just clocked up 1000 miles in my 718. GTS 4.0L. and I love it

@wilmagjr

3 жыл бұрын

I am waiting for mine...

@svgitana2499

3 жыл бұрын

I just sold my 981 GTS 😩😩😩😩 Today I got an email from my dealership to spec a new 718 GTS 4.0........it’s unreal how Porsche can refine these cars and make them better each time! (With the exception of the 4 cylinder 718😂...great car....but that horrible sound🤦🏻‍♂️)

@UTubeSL

3 жыл бұрын

Lucky man. Hope you're still loving it!

I’ve had a 981 for 18 months and have a 718 currently. I was initially reluctant to upgrade due to extra cost but the minute I started driving the 718 straight out of the 981 I know I was definitely a better driver’s car. Had steels on 981 and the feel on ceramics of 718 is definitely better and more ‘granular’ than steels. Feels like there is grit between pad and disc and you can feel it. Love it. Also pedal rock hard at the top with minimal travel like it should be. Steering lighter in 718 and better turn in feel and feedback than 981. Clutch in 981 much heavier, 781 much lighter (like 991.2 GT3) and quite like that. Engine revs noticeably more freely in 718 with sharper throttle response on blips. Exhaust quieter in 718 but I do prefer the noise of the engine itself. Yes I do miss the noisier exhaust note but not enough to upgrade 718 exhaust. I definitely prefer looks of 718, mainly the front end. Liked centre exit exhaust tips more though. Engine in 718 bit better at top end but to be honest I find myself wanting even more power and this was more of an issue in 981. Seating in both I wish could be even lower. I I had buckets in both and not much difference. Suspension in both very firm but 718 handles upsets better. It does not make it a ‘better daily’. Interior is too cramped especially with buckets. Noisy on motorway esp 718 as cylinder deactivation makes engine noticeably noisy at cruising speeds. Enough that I wish I hadn’t bothered to upgrade to Bose. An option worth doing in 981. So define, daily.... That’s what the actual main differences are from someone that’s actually owned both. Question is, should you upgrade? If you’ve got the spare cash and no issue...definitely, but consider mod to keep exhaust valve open or new exhaust. Would I upgrade again. Probably not as I want more power and probably would wait to see if I get a 992 GT3 instead. But I probably wouldn’t be in with a shout if I didn’t buy this... Feel free to ask any questions if you’re considering either car. Best handling car I’ve ever driven. And tons of fun, even with long gearing as you don’t need to rev it all the way out to have fun.

@zichaowang8617

3 жыл бұрын

Thoughts on gear ratio？

@shortlifeliveit8198

3 жыл бұрын

Zichao Wang. Hi. I used the car on a track day a week ago and gearing really not a problem there. In fact car was amazing overall. Fact it’s a little quieter makes you less weary on track days. On the road you notice it more as the car is quieter than 981 so you want to rev it past 4K to get a better noise but longer gearing makes it less legal to do so. If you mostly drive on the road and don’t track it much it may be an issue. To put above in perspective, in my 981 I didn’t find the gearing too long on the road as you changed gears just for the hell of it and to hear exhaust note make music, in 718 there’s a fantastic induction noise at lower RPM but then valves are shut until about 4K. So if you downshift at road speeds there’s just engine noise and barely any exhaust bark (at least from inside the car). Hope this makes sense.

@evan9145

3 жыл бұрын

@@shortlifeliveit8198 What transmission did you get on the 718 and if you got the manual, what are your thoughts on it?

@shortlifeliveit8198

3 жыл бұрын

Hi. You can only get manual in GT4. There is a planned GT4RS that will be PDK only apparently. I prefer manual sports cars so would tend to lean that way. Gear shift is short, precise and tactile. Very accurate throws when rushing through gears on track. I personally love it. I drive a 991.2 GT3 and found GT4 felt more direct and tactile in my view. PDK is amazing as well but I just prefer the challenge and interaction of a manual car.

@jmm1174

3 жыл бұрын

Probably with those long gears, you only miss the more shifting driver's involvement feeling.

Contents in this channel is getting better and better. Keep up the good work. Subscribed today!

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the positive feedback

I can’t afford it,that’s why I didn’t buy the GT4 😂

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

You can buy a nice Boxster S for £25k

@ethancaine1646

3 жыл бұрын

888MF yes... that is not the GT4

@the911collection

3 жыл бұрын

@@888mf4 thats not a track focused coupe with a new and improved 4.0 flat 6 and a redesigned body, its like saying: you want a gt3 rs? Well you can get a 911 4s targa for way less money

I own a 981 GT4 watched a lot of everything on both cars first video I've seen of the two being compared same time great content

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@stancuflorin

2 ай бұрын

how was your experience with it, I still don't knowwhat I want to get as the first porshe between those

throw a lightweight battery and exhaust system on it and boom you're lighter than the previous gen

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Nice idea

My 718 GT4 is dead on 40kg more than my 981 GT4 on the same scale. More or less same spec Cars(cage, 918bucketseats, steel brakes, etc) 718, no PDC, no cruise control

Well done. A nice long review of a Singer Porsche 👍

Superb, engaging video, (well done to both of you...great team!) and the best 'honest' comparison I've seen by far in terms of road use. As a 981 GT4 owner I was in the same quandary whether to upgrade or not, tried a 718, was hugely impressed and came to pretty much the exact same conclusions that the newer model was the better car to live with daily and the 981 the edgier, more raw 'weekender' with the angrier soundtrack, that required that little bit more concentration and adjustment. I certainly couldn't justify the additional £25k punt it would have taken at the time for a like-for-like spec. On a warm day, those Cup 2s, unsurprisingly, make a big difference though compared to the Dunlops, which I also have on my car. However I've since had a fast road geo and alignment carried out on the 981 (ARBs left at medium front and rear) and I'm surprised by just how much this improved steering input versus stock settings. Well worth it in my opinion and whilst there are further options to improve the handling, I'm leaving things as they are. I've also added Apple Car Play, a reversing camera and switchable, front parking sensors to bring some of the missing functionality in to the cabin. Whichever model you have and regardless of the long gearing issue, (which affect both but which you can drive around), these are cars that should be celebrated and whichever one you have, it'll bring a smile to your face. Both different in character, but both epic. Top work fellas!

@blazarev

3 жыл бұрын

How did you upgrade CarPlay? Joyeauto or other aftermarket?

Superb video, really enjoying your latest content. Please keep it coming!

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the positive feedback

How many pairs of jeans did Levi give you for the product placement? LOL

First time to your channel, do you compare the cars on a track for lap times etc?

Great vlog guys, I have been exactly looking for this comparison, I wish there was a similar for the Spyder

@888mf4

Жыл бұрын

I have owned both Spyders. The 718 is a better car. More power, better turn in but unfortunately not as much fun. I missed the 3.8L engine from the 981 Spyder!

Very informative vid Bravo Mark!

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Filippo

We don’t need to bash the newer vehicle to maintain the value on the old 981. They can both coexist; they are that good. 116 miles in and loving my 718 GT4, and it sounds pretty good to me.

@davidalexandreg

3 жыл бұрын

From the interior it sounds perfect to me too

@dominiqueaudenaert6347

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! The sound inside from a stock exhaust is fantastic when you push it a bit.

Great job guys!!!👌👍

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the positive feedback

Great review and comparison!! Great points by Andrew he did a fantastic job giving his opinion between the two! 👍🏻

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Great video. Nothing compares to the raw, driver's involvement of the previous GT4. Also the 987 Cayman S ('05-'12) probably was one of the best driver's involvement Cayman ever.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

The 987 Spyder is a great used buy for £40000

Great video - Subscribed!

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Martin

Counterpoint: Get the 981 Spyder as a weekend car

@TDS981

3 жыл бұрын

Yep was thinking the same.

@PaganiZondaF650hp

3 жыл бұрын

But in terms of the spyder the 718 is much better than the 981 because it is like the gt4. The 981 spyder only shared engine and gearbox with the gt4. The brakes and all suspension components were just straight from the cheaper Boxster GTS

@TDS981

3 жыл бұрын

@@PaganiZondaF650hp that's no bad thing but take your point the new car has a better set up.

@eeterp32

3 жыл бұрын

@@PaganiZondaF650hp Favoring a particular setup likely depends on where you drive. The 981 spyders brakes and suspension are sublime on the street.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

I have a 981 Spyder! Great piece of kit.

Several mistakes in this video. First, the 728 GT4 is NOT 80kg heavier. Technical docs says so because the regulations for weight measurement changed between the 981 homologation and the 718. In real life it’s more 30-40kg. Second. There only are two seat options in the 718 GT4. Sports seats (comforrt) or 918 LWBS. No intermediate folding carbon seats like the 991.2 GT3. The suspensions are basically the same on both car. The 718 GT4 adds more aero. And then the sound is way better on the 981 because of GPF installed on the 718. Third: the torque is the same : 420Nm because of the gearbox capacity. It’s exactly the same gearbox, which isn’t short geared at all ! To be fair: I’m a 718 GT4 owner and I totally understand that upgrading a 981 to a 718 GT4 is not worth the money.

@AB-80X

2 жыл бұрын

While the spring rate is the same, the damping on the 718 is quite a bit softer, so they are far from the same in the end. When Porsche created the 981 GT4, they knew that there would not be an RS, and thus they just made a car they felt was "right". When they did the 718 GT4, they knew an RS was going to be implemented, and thus they needed a bigger spread between those. I was interested in the 718 GT4, but felt it lacked much of the fun of my 981. And also, I was very sure an RS was in the works so waited for that. So 981 GT4 and 718 GT4RS is the best of both worlds I think and I'm glad I waited.

Excellent video and valuable information. Thank you sir.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

This was a very interesting video. So I say, more of this. In the end I think this is true for every newer Porsche to some degree.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. What car would you like next on the channel?

@dbnpoldermans4120

3 жыл бұрын

@@888mf4 I'd like to see a tuned E92 335i, N54 engine VS a 720s roll racing

@15284750

3 жыл бұрын

@@888mf4 718 GT4 vs GTS 4.0 would be highly interesting. It seems one is track focused and the other one is its more civilized version.

The GT4 is outside of my budget, but a GTS is realistic. The noise of the GT4, as you said, is pretty spectacular!

@10Tenths

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like someone's in the market for a new Porsche! 😉

@shanescarlife

3 жыл бұрын

@Mr.BigBoss7 generally, I'd agree with you, but I want the PDK gearbox, and my understanding is the GT4 is manual only

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

The engine noise of the 3.8L flat six is just perfect.

@TRZ0612

3 жыл бұрын

@@shanescarlife The PDK is now avail. , on the 2021 GT4's. It's a $3,2xx option.

@tommy516

3 жыл бұрын

Get a 718 GTS, you’ll appreciate the turbo charged motor that has power from 1800 rpm until 6500 rpm instead of the 5 -7800 of the GTS 4 or GT 4. It pulls at just about any gear, all day long...You can put the GT4’s short throw in for a few hundred bucks. Also, it doesn’t have the crazy wing on it.

I would love either its just about £75000 more than I could afford

@dbnpoldermans4120

3 жыл бұрын

Is something no true car guy ever said

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

You can buy a nice Boxster for £15k in the UK

@freddiejones4598

3 жыл бұрын

888MF very true. My friend just picked up a 2016 cayman S and the financing comes in just over £360 a month.

@michaelmich00

3 жыл бұрын

@@freddiejones4598 how did he do that

@freddiejones4598

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmich00 find a cayman you like. Put 8k as deposit and finance the other 17k.

May I ask why the blue GT4 has white vertical streaks on the centre radiator grill? Looks like snow foam deposits?

I want more porsche gt content great work here 👌🏻👍🏻

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

We have had a lot of GT content in the past

thanks for that. now i know which one i'll get when i decide to ditch my cappuccino. haven't driven neither of those two so i have to believe you guys, but untill i do, cappo is most fun car to drive in my books (it cost a fraction too).

Great video Mark. Denbies is a great backdrop and I bought a car from very nearby a couple of years ago! Both of the GT4's are obviously fantastic but... Oh my goodness... How cool was that 356A!!😍😎

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Russell. Pure luck spotting the 356A

@johnnyboy1586

3 жыл бұрын

Yes beautiful old porsche, a moving work of art!!

I just bought a 718 Spyder and done 400 miles so not broken in to where I can hear the sound at high revs, and I agree that I would like more in the noise department. I love the handling though. I couldn't tell from the video how hard they drove the cars, and think you really need to drive them hard to determine which is better. From what I've read, from an objective measure, the 718 is better in terms of speed around a track. I wonder if the sound is what really influenced the owner's opinion. If that's the case, and money is not a factor, why not qualify by saying buy the 718 and change the pipe. Also, It's possible that the Carbon ceramic breaks might give better feel when fully used (they're not meant to putt around a driveway.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

I have driven the 981 GT4 and 718 GT4 hard and both are great cars. As we noted in this review the 718 GT4 handles better and is faster, however it is missing the rawness of the old model. If you want a daily driver then the new model is the obvious choice. If you want a weekend car then the old model is all you need. It is also good value at £65k.

@kam4811

3 жыл бұрын

Add a JCR... job done... Mine now sounds epic ! (718 Spyder) Exactly how it should have left Porsche...

@jetara3082

3 жыл бұрын

981 Spyder was much more fun on the road due to lower grip level. The 718 feels more planted and less fun compared to a 981. But 718 is faster on track, but if you care about that you probably want a GT4 anyway. The noise is on a whole different level on the 981 and not everyone wants to add aftermarket crap on their Porsche.

@JoeBlue415

3 жыл бұрын

Jetara all good points. I finally took it out on an aggressive drive through the twisties and it’s hard to know where the limit is, unlike my 2005 Boxster S. I plan on taking it on the track, but I like a drop top and like the looks better than the Gt4. Bottom line is, I love the car and would have loved the 981 if I wound up with that.

@jetara3082

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoeBlue415 Sorry, read my comment again, sounded much more harsh than I wanted it to sound. :) Those cars are all great, I don't even need any fancy engine in the 718 to have huge amounts of fun, and it's not that a 718 Spyder is anywhere near a disappointment. But 981 Spyder is one of my all time favorites, for me it is the best Porsche in the last decades apart from the Big Boys, CGT and maybe 918. Due to it's narrow tires and the almost standard suspension setup from the weaker modells it always felt a bit on the edge, even on speeds you can actually achieve on the street without being toooooo illegal. Add the borderline insane 3.8 to this mix and it was just something so special that even some sane Persons (I don't count myself into that group) would prefer it to a GT3 as long as there is no Track Work to do. It really was that good. 718 GT4/Spyder just feel that bit more civilized, maybe also has to do with the engine sound and the engine feeling a bit tamer, but I think it's overall more serious and therefore that bit less exicting. Could also be that my Opinion is just plain wrong.

Loved it, great video

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the positive feedback

Great video as usual 👍Please could you let me know what sunglasses your friend is wearing (Make, model etc) ? Thank you

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stuart. Andrew was wearing Oakley sunglasses. Not sure what model.

I saw this car at the Surrey Oaks and had a good look round it. Guess you'd stopped off for a swift one after filming! Lovely looking machine.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

No one stopped off after filming for a drink. I took the car back to the owner @zencardriver

The 718 GT4 is only 35Kg heavier than the 981..

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on what options you tick. But yes it is heavier.

@Maximumrandom69

3 жыл бұрын

888MF with the same options it’s only 35 kg heavier yes... and that’s not a lot

Revisiting the debate a year later, prices are so close now I’m going for the more modern car, at the end of the day the emissions changes altered the noise and added weight, aftermarket can fix that. The better tech and interior is a selling point for a car that I want to drive every day, I don’t have the luxury of owning such a thing just for the weekend, it has to do daily duties too.

Love stick but not in traffic! I want the GT4 in PDK. Awesome car. Also the DeMan mod looks incredible! Nice review 👍🏼

Wow, Love that 57! 🎸💚

I think that lack of buckets in 718 makes it less of an event and noise is an issue..exhaust is needed...in every other way the 718 is better👍

@Maximumrandom69

3 жыл бұрын

True!

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed on both counts. The 718 GT4 needs buckets and an after-market exhaust. However the latter could impact the warranty.

@jerrylilkrumzy3506

3 жыл бұрын

718 spyder is where its at!

@AB-80X

2 жыл бұрын

@@888mf4 It will affect warranty a lot less than you might think. If it does, it will only affect anything downstream. Just replacing it post OPF is perfectly fine with zero warranty issues.

I have a normal 718 that I took to Jotech Motorsports in Dallas. We spent around $15K doing engine mods, tune, suspension, and aero and it will wipe its ass with a GT4. Considering I bought it used then did the mods I have about $30K less than I would a GT 4 and the comfort is still there and the turbo 4 cl means its lighter and with a valved exhaust still sounds great. It put out 380 HP at the wheels (over 450 HP crank). I love it!!!

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you are happy with your creation. Congrats.

Kept trying to pinpoint who he reminds me of and I've finally got it: Nigel from the movie Spinal Tap

tested both, 718 is stronger in the mid range with more torque and feels refined where 981 is raw. For that mid range torque, I prefer 718.

Great video Mark - Good Comparison. Would like to see what you thought of a Singer or similar retro/modern Porsche

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ian. I have no idea how to get my hands on a Singer.

Sadly despite the new car retaining the Flat6, the new EU PPF's do,somewhat strangle the sound with no pops and crackles compared to 981.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

The shifter may be short, but those gear ratios....

A great video. I would love to see a video comparing between the GTS 4.0 boxster and 718 spyder because the price difference in my country between the two models is negligible.

3:27 awkward shake hand changed into fist bump hahahaha

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

That's the world we live in due to Covid

I think the 981 have more character but booth cars are so nice!

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

Well done gents I thoroughly enjoyed that

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for positive feedback

Only for the noise the old one, OPF is not fun anymore

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. The engine noise of the 3.8L flat six is just perfect.

What you guys using for mikes... speaking volume is a little quiet, with some wind noise in a place or two. Music and sound effects are too loud. Ps... I will be keeping my 981 gt4 for a long time also. Freaking love it!

Brilliant comparison. Next it would be great to do a back to back road test comparison with your Spyder against the 981 GT4. Maybe you’ve already done this?

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

I did it a while ago but we weren't happy with the footage so we never uploaded it. The GT4 is hardcore and the Spyder is softer. Both great cars but you can hear that lovely engine better with the roof down

I love the body style of the original Cayman design, I wish they never changed it but I guess it wouldn't be such a classic design if they didn't.

The 981 is the keeper. If you already own one, just go with a GIAC tune, go for a fairly aggressive alignment, and install a set of the new Cup Sport 2 N2 tires (which make most of any lap time difference between these two cars go away), and you’ve saved a bunch of trade-up money.

Have 40k km on my 981 GT4. Great daliy with the 918 seats. The reason why the 718 has gone soft, is mainly due to the GT4RS. When they did the 981 GT4, they knew there would not be an RS. When they did the 718, they knew there would. Had they made it too much like the 981, there would not be a big enough gap up to the RS.

@888mf Why are the standard bucket seats your favourite instead of the 918 bucket seats. The normal bucket seats are then ones you also have in your 997.2 GT3 RS 4L I presume?

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

The 918 seats are a little more upright

Would have been nice to get the camera along for the drive to share in the experience but a logical conclusion. The Spyder comparison may turn out a little differently.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

It is hard to drive and talk. I prefer to do the talking outside of the car.

@TDS981

3 жыл бұрын

@@888mf4 yes it's a challenge I struggle with it too. Gutted you didn't bring your Spyder along. That's the most enjoyable of them all on the UK roads 👍

Great video... Reinforces my sense that the 981 GT4 is the sweet spot... Have 2007 987 S 3.4L 425,000 miles perfect original engine w/ headers, GT3 manifold, lightweight flywheel, machined short throw shifter, sport clutch, R9 Bilsteins...NO IMS issues! Acquired at Brumos in Jax w/ 42k on the odo... Awesome car... Will do a video when I hit half million miles... Sounds great... Super quick... naught 60 in about 4 flat... Steering is great... Chg Mobil ONE q 5k absolutely the best car I've ever had... having had several 944 types including Turbo S and 968. Advancing tech even if faster takes much of the reason for owning a sports car out of the equation. German born Porsche factory mechanic w/ long race experience recommends manual over the PDK... says PDK's are only good for 100k... Just a thought... Nice informative video... JR, Dade City, Fl.

Prefer 981 looks too, 981 Spyder would be my choice.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Great car

@rabulc

3 жыл бұрын

One of the most great and fun car to drive in route.

And I had a 918 GT4 for 8 months as a daily driver and managed 8000 miles . So well used .

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

and what did you replace it with?? I bet you miss it?!

981 GT4 seems to have the old Dunlops. Semi-slicks hardened after 2 max 3 years from my experience. The Cup2s or Dunlop Race 2s as N1 are grippier and can be also mounted to the old car.

@888mf4

Жыл бұрын

The Dunlops need replacing for sure!!

I’m love my 981 gt4 great sounds and fun

981 GT4 owner here, previously had a 997.1 C2S as well , yep the GT4 it’s glued to the pavement, Im running pilot sport 4s now after replacing tires (Dunlops from factory worn out) and they offer way more confidence on damp/wet conditions so better for daily use.

@isserdigan2835

3 жыл бұрын

Why not cup2?

@jhrodriguez08

3 жыл бұрын

@@isserdigan2835 cup2’s are great for dry conditions and summer temperatures, but on the wet and low temperatures they are a bit sketchy

@isserdigan2835

3 жыл бұрын

@@jhrodriguez08 true. But from where I am at. Track days are mostly summer and early fall and cup2 maximizes the car. I have winter set up. But I shouldve just put the 4s as my winters. As the Alpines are not that stable in excess of 85 mph

@jhrodriguez08

3 жыл бұрын

@@isserdigan2835 Nice , I don’t track my car , however I do drive it spiritedly and the PS4s offer good grip IMO probably 5% less grip than cup2s. I’d recommend watching the SCD (super car driver channel) and search for the Challenge Stradale video (the owner of that Ferrari also fitted PS4s)

@isserdigan2835

3 жыл бұрын

@@jhrodriguez08 traction might be good in Ps4s but heat dispersal might not. Cup2's i never had to adjust pressure while people with Ps4s does during trackdays.

I got a 981 Spyder brand new in 2016 and broke it in at the race track. I love it to bits. The new car is probably better but it's not worth the price and it doesn't sound as good. It definitely needs an exhaust mod. Thanks gasoline particulate filters.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

I think we agreed with you. The 718 GT4 is not worth an extra £25k.

What about the suspension front towers failures and the gearbox faults, are they sorted ?

@johnshore3095

3 жыл бұрын

Would also like to know this. Has Porsche actually made any statement on these two?

718 sounds godly with a aftermarket exhaust. It’s also much quicker than it’s predecessor

@888mf4

Жыл бұрын

Which exhaust in particular?

Well this was helpful.

@888MF didn't you reach the same conclusion about the Boxster Spyder?

Feel like Honda did the same with the S2000. The updated one was much easier to driver easier to handle had a lighter clutch but lost the 9000 redline

Would have been great to see a drag race between them

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

You are the 3rd person to ask for this, so maybe we will organise

Hey guys, what about the 718 GTS 4.0 as the daily driver? Even the 718 Cayman T has all the performance goodies that the GTS 4.0 has for $20k less money than the GTS and $40k less than a new GT4. Not a bad option if you don't mind the 4 cylinder engine sound errr noise?

the title should be more like "do not UPGRADE into a 718 GT4 if you have a 981 GT4" instead of just flat out do not buy a 718 gt4

Good video. Should be very interesting to hear what A say when he have cup2 on his car. I think many people think like him. I do.

I need help. GT4 or GT3? Looking to buy soon. Can’t decide.

I just have a basic 981 Boxster S and can’t imagine a better driving experience. The GT4s are spectacular cars, but I’ll take the $45k I saved on buying a 981 GT4 ($80k on a 718) and put it towards $$ Porsche maintenance and repairs!

Question... Which car is the better handling car in your opinion .... Performante Spyder or the GT4?

I like to daily drive race cars anyway, so i'll take the 981!

Nice upload, but I was waiting for a head to head roll race. 😔

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe we will do that in the future

Also if you want to use it mainly on a track days events, take 718 vs 981, as it is quite faster on a race track. The exhaust of 718 may be replaced with aftermarket one and the exhaust noise of 718 will be really good.

@yetidh9

3 жыл бұрын

Not in my experience. With a set of the latest N1 Cup 2 tyres and proper geometry setup there is very little difference on track. In stock form the 981 suffers from understeer but that is easily fixed.

Great video guys - I am taking your advice and trading in my 911 997 C2S for a 981 GT4 tomorrow.

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats

I got a ride in a sparsely spec 718 GT4 recently with buckets, car play and fire extinguisher. What an animal. Fun fact: yellow is the cheapest color on 718 GT4 (at least in Canada). I haven’t driven a 981 GT4 but hope to drive and own one in the future. Great comparison vid

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I think a 718 GT4 with buckets and an aftermarket exhaust would be pretty nice, however that's a £95-100K car and I do not believe it is worth an extra £30K over the 981 GT4.

At Sport Auto, the German sports car bible, the 718 GT4 was not only slightly slower at straight line acceleration, but significantly slower from 80 to 120 km/h - whatever gear. It also weighs in at 1 450 kg (EU) 80 kg more than the 981 GT4. The 911-derived 4.0 engine at 718 GT4/Spyder seems not to be a homerun compared to the 981 gen 3.8. It strugles to meet the quated hp-figures (see dyno tests) and has less low torque. Well, a great car, the 718 GT4, but because of the new EU-regulation and perfect predecessor, the newborn leaves me just a bit cold.

Only reason not to buy it rn is just the price mark up lol. It’s crazy how people are getting allotment and flipping it. Porsche should investigate these because i know they dont like that but many people get away with it.

Prices for nice 981GT4 are so close to new, you might as well get a new one if they are available. But the GTS 4.0 is essentially the same drivetrain and power. Supply and demand hurts the affordability of the used 981 GT4.

Mark. Omg.. That vintage 956 at the start. . 😍

@Fluterra

3 жыл бұрын

What? Don’t quote model names if you don’t know what you’re talking about. I think you meant 356.

I have been waiting to get the two together in a video. Was thinking about doing it myself actually (and I don't even make videos) Still might make a video of this just because they need to be compared

+1. .. Luv the 981 Cayman S, GTS, GT4 range,,, right up to the present '21 Cayman GTS 4.0l and GT4... As the original owner of a '98 Carrera 2S (993) ,,, ordered/built to my spec back in the day.... It's a 911 I'd never sell. .. Not for a 981 Cayman GT4 or any other Cayman 4.0l et cetera.. Something about an unmolested widebody 993 S coupe. .. But that's me. . Cheers, Vail, Colorado P.S., adding a used 1-owner 2015 981 Cayman GTS w/6sp manual to the family garage.

Porche has the philosophy of it ain't broke dont fix it so many of thier cars look similar but they keep going over the driving dynamics and refining it so much that tho it's not supercar fast the driving experience is so dialed in and enjoyable that spending a 100k for guaranteed fun seems like a no brainers compared to buying a 911 and getting more power but not as much fun factor

@MrSaxophoneGamer

3 жыл бұрын

Porsche is definitely about Evolution over Revolution

Great summary. I will keep my 981 spyder! 25k to change not worth it for a weekend toy

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

I think when there is a £15k difference it might be worth a look

@PaganiZondaF650hp

3 жыл бұрын

Actually in terms of the spyder the 718 wins it because it is a true GT4 without a roof

@Dathumm

3 жыл бұрын

Even with a smaller price difference I would keep the 981 as long as it is a weekend toy. The sound of the new 718 Spyder is poor compared to tge 981 but yet such an emotional component for a weekend toy and car without roof.

@jscifres100

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dathumm totally agree. Only reason to prefer the 718 is if you want to track it or use it daily. The 981 has way more personality.

Thanks for some great content, just bought a 981 spyder on the back of your videos, love the soundtrack on the older car as it puts a smile on my face similar to my Morgan Aeromax 👍👍

@888mf4

3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic - enjoy

But the 718 GT4 is way better looking and cooler. So im getting that one 😎

So we have the pleasure of focusing on two Porsches having a race to see who can go the slowest or reading the tiny specs at the bottom of the screen. Maybe the rest of your audience enjoyed this but I found it boring and uninspired