Do Lithuanian Soldiers Want The Old Uniform Back?

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Following up from my last video, there were a lot of different opinions about the Lithuanian military's new uniforms - and to my surprise, many were negative! So, I thought I would make a short video about what you all had to say, and maybe analyze it a little.
This video includes clips from ‪@halfasinteresting‬ 's video on UCP. You can check it out here: • The US Army’s Universa...
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  • @fokus5097
    @fokus50972 ай бұрын

    Most surprising that is made not only for forest but for desert... We don't have deserts... Sure small group goes on deployment, but that small group.

  • @VanGuard600

    @VanGuard600

    2 ай бұрын

    It's probably because we cannot afford to have dozens of specialized uniforms so instead the goal is to have a generic ones that can work anywhere.

  • @bey1999

    @bey1999

    2 ай бұрын

    I also thought seeing Ukrainian camo thinking its way to bright but seeing it in action it looks very good

  • @jorisgrasys1934

    @jorisgrasys1934

    2 ай бұрын

    Its not for desert. Its for urban warfare

  • @RazorsharpLT

    @RazorsharpLT

    2 ай бұрын

    Again - the new uniform is actually good. To the people who say "But.. it's not good at camouflage!" - i volunteered in Ukraine. Barely ANYBODY uses the camo for camouflage except snipers and spec ops guys. Most people SPECIFICALLY wear bright yellow or blue tapes for identification, making the camo - worthless. This is the same issue i have for people hating the UCP pattern when it probably saved a LOT of people from friendly fire in Iraq and Afghanistan, since most casaulties actually came from there.

  • @fokus5097

    @fokus5097

    2 ай бұрын

    @@RazorsharpLT True tbh, in the end whatever camo you use, soldiers still make themselves visible as Ukraine war shown us to avoid blue on blue.

  • @markoner2624
    @markoner26242 ай бұрын

    The reason why the LŠS (rifelman) dont use Lithuanian armed forces camo's is beacause the rifleman buy uniforms and gear themselves and the reason why its applied to most (not all) rifeman is because it's the most commercial and easy to purchase.

  • @kastonas7
    @kastonas72 ай бұрын

    I served in 2011-2014 and was issued with old forest pattern uniform(M05). Which worked very well during summer month (and in nighttime :)) in dense forest areas (mostly conifers) but in open fields or meadows the uniform was very noticeable. I was surprised how well French uniform pattern blends in Lithuania's environment. I guest there is no such think as really universal pattern

  • @pij_
    @pij_2 ай бұрын

    I've been part of the LŠS (lithuanian riflemens union) for 6 years now, we use the old american camo due to it being a widelly available camo for civilian use. What that means is sure you can buy the new lithuanian camo, but if it isnt accepted for civilian use then you can get sued or even arrested for it. The woodland camo is the only widely available civilian camo so we just use that

  • @LaurynasMilinis
    @LaurynasMilinis2 ай бұрын

    LT Riflemen's Union chose woodland in the early 1990s when it was restored. We are not military, so we can't wear official patented country military camos. Members are buying the equipment themselves, so either woodland or multicam are available for us. Some of us choose to wear woodland for parades and other official business and use multicam for exercises. Generally m81 woodland works much better in wooded areas, it is still one of the best camo patterns that exist. Anyway, since riflemen are supplying themselves, every riflemen usually wears a mix of woodland, multicam, Brittish MTP, etc.

  • @mikekazan3538
    @mikekazan35382 ай бұрын

    New cammo pattern and colors would work just great 8 out of 12 months a year. Plus a year round in urban settings.

  • @modisp

    @modisp

    2 ай бұрын

    I am no expert. But thats my take too. We have lush green forests like 3-4 month a year. And I dont see how green cammo is any good in urban environment at all.

  • @240pixel
    @240pixel2 ай бұрын

    When I was serving in Lithiuanian armed forces. m05 "misko" or as we call them "eglute" (evergreen tree) was standard issue. It's really good for operating in Lithuanian forests. When I joined US army I got most of my gear in OCP multicam pattern. It works in wider range of environment but not as good for one specific environment as the old M05 was.

  • @jon1801
    @jon18012 ай бұрын

    I wore British DPM for 20 years. Multicam replaced it. DPM was far more effective in European woodland. Multicam is too light, so l understand why some do not like it. I still wear DPM for hunting. Germans and Swedes seem happier with darker patterns.

  • @joelyboy7

    @joelyboy7

    2 ай бұрын

    It's not multicam, It's MTP. MOD contracted Crye Precision to make them a "UK multicam" but use the DPM pattern. As an 18 year Infantryman i do agree that temperate DPM was better in some circumstances but MTP is better in far more of them. But i do think we should have a separate modern desert pattern.

  • @conorkeo1

    @conorkeo1

    2 ай бұрын

    Nice to see a DPM sweat watches this channel. I didn't wear it for as long as you, but DPM will always have a place in my heart.

  • @TheArmaGuy762
    @TheArmaGuy7622 ай бұрын

    Camoflage is something very important for a soldier because it is his first line of defence. You can only shoot what you can see. Therefore i think some crititique on this camoflage is acaptable because it is more suited for rapid deployment forces which work worldwide than homeland defence. I think modern woodland camoflages like Wasp II would be perfect for the very green enviroment of the baltics.

  • @mariusltt
    @mariusltt2 ай бұрын

    Yes, old uniforms better. My fav camouflages: M05 forest (old Lithuanian camo), Flecktarn, CADPAT, Woodland, EMR.

  • @damongale45
    @damongale452 ай бұрын

    The Best Camouflage in my opinion in Europe right now is SLOCAM it comes from Slovenia. It's like MTP but greener designed for a more general European setting. I personally own it and love it.

  • @Klowner777

    @Klowner777

    2 ай бұрын

    agree!

  • @Svytorius
    @Svytorius2 ай бұрын

    I've been seeing more Riflemen from the LŠS using French CCE woodland. It's a bit more faded than the M81 style that is used by many, and it seems to blend in much better to the environment. It even appears to work pretty good in some situations where the newer camo may excel in (but obviously the new camo will not be good in darker, greener situations).

  • @gedog77
    @gedog772 ай бұрын

    The 🇬🇧 army had a very similar experience of trying for a single universal pattern to save costs and simplify logistics. It worked about as well as all the others.

  • @albertov1837
    @albertov18372 ай бұрын

    I'm curious as to why the new uniform camo is lighter but all other gear is a dark (OD?) green? Stuff like vests, helmet covers, jackets, etc. There's a bit contrast between both.

  • @pottasium7117
    @pottasium71172 ай бұрын

    the issue with the current issue uniforms is the same issue the americans have with their's - camo that fits NOWHERE except well with an old couch. Only good concealment it does is in a dry/yellowing grass, which is not all that common of an enviorment

  • @Iratis_
    @Iratis_2 ай бұрын

    The Lithuanian Riflemen Union uses 3 patterns: m81 Woodland, a newer variant of the m81 which seems to be more faded or blander (I don't really know how to put it), and then the universal pattern of the land forces which is used by certain members who are of the "active" branch meaning they are also involved with the military to some extent (active or reserve). I don't think the LRU will replace the m81 as it is sort of like a recognition symbol of the riflemen meaning when people see the woodland camo they immediately think of them. Although I like woodland I would much prefer for missions and hikes that we used flecktarn as from my experience it is way better suited for rural and wooded environments and leave woodland for ceremonies. But of course that is only me and my opinion.

  • @LIthuanianPatriot-vt2dp
    @LIthuanianPatriot-vt2dp2 ай бұрын

    i prefer the old one. Why? Because big part of Lithuania are forests and the camouflage is perfect for that. And to be honest the new ones is looking like we are gonna fight somewhere in the desert.

  • @therocket130
    @therocket1302 ай бұрын

    the issue wit the washing can be simple... wrong colour of the base fabric... so if you pring it on sand colour few washes is basically faded into sandy pattern... but if you print it on something like tan colour (darker fabric) this iissue is not as prevelent ;) the fabric gets brushed and rubbed and gets fluffy which comes out through the colours... ill send the check to the R&D in priv ;)

  • @Unknown_Ooh
    @Unknown_Ooh2 ай бұрын

    Why doesn't the military use multiple patterns at one time? Your uniform pattern depends on the location and mission of your unit.

  • @Tai-Va
    @Tai-Va2 ай бұрын

    Thanks for interesting videos. I have no issue with washing this new pattern camouflage. Don’t wash it into very hot water and colours will last long. Material is durable. But I am not happy with this Bright camouflage. I do not agree that it better fits to urban environment. Every trained soldier knows that the best cover is in the dark places, next to shadow side of the wall, etc. Do you think that Bright camouflage works betters in the shadow or darkened room? It also would apply for deserts and mountains like in Afghanistan. Take cover on the shadow side. Old/Green camouflage was not good, but it was excellent in the forests or in other type of the nature; because it was dark and built up areas includes parks, grass, gardens, etc., it worked good in urban as well. Therefore I prefer old vs new. Woodland doesn’t work in the North of Europe region. It is still used in some paramilitary organizations because of mass production and consequently low cost. In general, it is commercial material, not for real service, especially for this region. I spent almost 40 years in military (paratroops and infantry) and if I had a choice, I would choose olive green. I and my colleagues have tested different patterns in different environments and the absolute winner is simple Olive Green. It fits well in the forests, because it merges with tree trunks and branches, but also it works well in the build up area inside and outside. Big mistake many people does when they compare patterns on photos. It the same places you can find several angles and backgrounds which has different brightness and colours. Photos are good if you want to persuade somebody, just take photo from the right angle. Conclusion: I vote for Olive Green, like Israel has; the Old/Green camouflage is in the second place; New/Bright is not good; Woodland is not usable in this region at all. Anyway, thanks for interesting videos. Please continue.

  • @donisz
    @donisz2 ай бұрын

    Everyone is talking that new uniform is not good as the old one, but all they can think about is the battle in the forests and forgetting that real wars are fought over cities.

  • @eruno_

    @eruno_

    2 ай бұрын

    actually combat operations can happen in both. That's why having one uniform for forests and other for urban environments is the best approach.

  • @fidenemini111

    @fidenemini111

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@eruno_Yes, that would be the most logical approach. you can not have one pattern for all possible environments.

  • @niume7468

    @niume7468

    2 ай бұрын

    Check ukraine war majority of the war is in trenches or forest.

  • @jimcarruthers669
    @jimcarruthers6692 ай бұрын

    NZMCU would be my favourite pattern

  • @Tiesiog9Kipras
    @Tiesiog9Kipras2 ай бұрын

    New Latvian camo is awesome. And so is Czech and Polish one.

  • @laurynasg9932
    @laurynasg99322 ай бұрын

    Never served in the military, but I always liked Canadian green uniforms :$

  • @deiwis34
    @deiwis342 ай бұрын

    I think Riflemen union simply understands that wooldland is better. Lithuania and the capital is just one big forest. The new uniform could be just an exclusion for some tasks in Vilnius or smth.

  • @loltomato7959
    @loltomato79592 ай бұрын

    I think that the LŠS (rifleman) didn't use those new uniforms because it's another force design and that would be copying. And the woodland camo works much better in our forests and is much cheaper who buy the uniforms themselves is much cheaper.

  • @eruno_
    @eruno_2 ай бұрын

    I personally like new Finnish M05. And think it would work well in Lithuania.

  • @Jared-cf4tn
    @Jared-cf4tn2 ай бұрын

    I think there should be a Vilnius camo design, as the possibility of impending invasion would likely not be limited to the forest environment.

  • @gedog77
    @gedog772 ай бұрын

    Separate point; with the experiences in 🇺🇦, the transparency of the battlefield might now mean that simple coloured cloth is not able to have an impact. Now it’s about hiding heat signatures and other radiation. Has kamufliažas changed entirely?

  • @cm275

    @cm275

    2 ай бұрын

    The Ukrainians don’t seem too worked up about camo since they use bright colored duct tape to aid with IFF.

  • @brentpeterson7304
    @brentpeterson73042 ай бұрын

    My fav camouflages: M05 finnish, ESTDCU, MARPAT, CADPAT

  • @KemikaaliNisti
    @KemikaaliNisti2 ай бұрын

    1:24 Finns call their M05 camo ''kurkkusalaatti'' which means relish or cucumber salad

  • @smurtobaronas9935
    @smurtobaronas99352 ай бұрын

    m81 is the goat of camos in style and practicality..well, style mostly. As for the reasons why it was picked, there is no one simple reason. Tho I have to mention that the rifleman union is not attached to a single camo. Due to differing budget between each member, members who have more money would pick a more modern and expensive equipment, which usually lacks an option in m81 woodland. So Anything from coyote, to ranger green to multicam and even the old Lithuanian military camo is used in both equipment and clothes. But usually woodland camo dominates in usage.

  • @eruno_

    @eruno_

    2 ай бұрын

    Currently Rifleman official website store seems to offer only one option of camo

  • @smurtobaronas9935

    @smurtobaronas9935

    2 ай бұрын

    @@eruno_ Offer as in that's what's "officially" used by the commandant companies as bdu's - more for parade use than anything so the representatives would look uniform and tidy. In reality in field exercises people run m81, polish woodland, multicam and what's currently used by the landforces. Recce's in the combat companies officially run multicam, but also french CCE as some companies make really good gear in it like ufpro etc.

  • @eruno_

    @eruno_

    2 ай бұрын

    @@smurtobaronas9935 I see. Yes I know that M81 is common. Your mentioned French one also looks very nice.

  • @MU1RD3R
    @MU1RD3R2 ай бұрын

    Danish homeguard really want's our old M/84 uniform back, instead of the multicam we're wearing now. M/84 is much more effective at home, instead of multicam.

  • @ZNZBRGEM
    @ZNZBRGEM2 ай бұрын

    I think some type of mix between CADPAT, MARPAT and WZ 93 would work great.

  • @panemunietis
    @panemunietis2 ай бұрын

    Honestly only thing I'd say is that parade uniforms should be as they were in the interwar period and even ranks can as from the times of the Lithuanian Wars of Independence. Much cooler than the others.

  • @Liudas_LTU
    @Liudas_LTU2 ай бұрын

    What you mentioned is about riflemen using woodland exactly what it is. It’s cheap and widely accesible. But that is also why I hate it. Most fishermen and mushroom pickers are wearing woodland. Also it’s close to impossible to acquire high quality materials. Personally I really don’t like the pattern, at the same time it’s still better than the new army pattern which is waaaaaay too bright. Oh and Canadian pattern (both of them) would work much better in specific conditions

  • @anzelmasmatutis2500
    @anzelmasmatutis25002 ай бұрын

    Can we have Both?

  • @RobloxWarOutfitCommunity-de4sv
    @RobloxWarOutfitCommunity-de4sv2 ай бұрын

    Labas , i really wanna say the M05 (The old camo) i would prefer it . But the new multicam has changed it

  • @juho1057
    @juho10572 ай бұрын

    New Lithuanian camo also lacks clear macropattern and it seems to wear out way too quickly. It's barely better than UCP imho.

  • @donisz
    @donisz2 ай бұрын

    I think the best camo for our army will be something similar to Ukrainian Mawka camo from velmet

  • @175jfs5
    @175jfs52 ай бұрын

    Too light. New uniforms look badly faded. Must have got advice from the pentagon on how to waste millions on new uniforms that achieve nothing. In so far as the U.S.ACU uniform, now you can't even give them away.

  • @user-qh9rr6sc9p
    @user-qh9rr6sc9p2 ай бұрын

    Так і не зрозумів під які умови розроблений цей камуфляж. Схоже наче розроблений для гірської місцевості, але я щось не пам'ятаю щоб у Литві були гори. А на питання автора щодо улюбленого камуфляжу відповім, що це український "ХИЖАК")

  • @m.a.d.m.5425
    @m.a.d.m.54252 ай бұрын

    Sveikas! I love your videos and appreciate all your hard work and details regarding military topics. However in full honesty I am becoming quite bored and annoyed at the quantity of military videos being published compared to past topics. I feel it would be best for a long time viewer to have revolving topics and not one set tone for the channel. I still appreciate these military videos although I’m becoming less and less engaged because it feels to serious, intense, and sometimes boring in my personal opinion- always educational nonetheless. If you make more military videos, could you discuss the Smiltynė / Kaliningrad border. I was there on holiday and walked right up to the line you’re not supposed to cross. What happens if I do cross it? I think there is a certain amount of time before I touch Russian soil and the buffer zone is for Lithuanians to remain safe. Also while in Nida’s Death Valley, I felt like a Russian ship was following me while I was near the border the dune’s fences. Maybe that was just paranoia but still… it felt very eerie that I was the only one on the walking paths and the ship was parallel to me. Maybe this was a Lithuanian ship? Anyways… please make more content about other topics again. I really miss this about your channel. Thank you for all that you do and I hope your family is healthy, happy, and well! ❤

  • @LithuaniaExplained

    @LithuaniaExplained

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing your opinion- and so politely and diplomatically too! Yes I know you’re not the only one thinking this. But I guess keep in mind that I used to publish only 1-2 times per week with little or no military content. Now it’s 3-4 times per week and I always make sure to alternate between military and non military videos (so you can be sure the video tomorrow will be non military). So I’m essentially putting out the same amount of non military content as before. i guess the only thing you’ll need to endure is seeing these military videos in your feed if you’re a subscriber. And thanks for the suggestion, I’ll look into it! I accidentally wandered across the Canada/US border once in my early 20s. American Border police came rolling up in their big SUVs a few minutes later to scare me and my friends enough to make sure we would never do it again 😂

  • @RazorsharpLT
    @RazorsharpLT2 ай бұрын

    Again - the new uniform is actually good. To the people who say "But.. it's not good at camouflage!" - i volunteered in Ukraine. Barely ANYBODY uses the camo for camouflage except snipers and spec ops guys. Most people SPECIFICALLY wear bright yellow or blue tapes for identification, making the camo - worthless. This is the same issue i have for people hating the UCP pattern when it probably saved a LOT of people from friendly fire in Iraq and Afghanistan, since most casaulties actually came from there. In a war where you'll have NATO air and artillery support - i think you WOULD want to be more easily identified. The old green camo looked too much like the Russian camo, which would cause a LOT of friendly fire incidents.

  • @bardon1384
    @bardon13842 ай бұрын

    I mean if look at any war footage in Ukraine, as forests and cities are destroyed, you can see that dull colors dominates the environment, the old uniform would perform much more poorly in such enviroments. While our new uniform, would perform much better. Here's some examples from this channel: www.youtube.com/@ab3army/videos Why I mention russian-Ukrainian war? Because let's be honest, russia is the only nation which could invade us. Though I think both uniforms should be in use, because Lithuania has more forests than Ukraine.

  • @eruno_

    @eruno_

    2 ай бұрын

    I don't think it's fair to compare Ukraine and Lithuania environment wise. Ukraine has literal steppes in which more brownish colours dominate. There are no steppes in Lithuania.

  • @bardon1384

    @bardon1384

    2 ай бұрын

    @@eruno_ We still have periods where trees are without leafs

  • @DrEdgarr

    @DrEdgarr

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@eruno_ with predominant use of artillery and other long rage missiles and guns most battlefields before infantry combat will be shelled which will destroy majority of trees anyway.

  • @gforce0311
    @gforce03112 ай бұрын

    Just adopt two patterns

  • @SKARA101
    @SKARA1012 ай бұрын

    Funny how the romanian camo has the same pattern but is darker

  • @DrEdgarr
    @DrEdgarr2 ай бұрын

    Old one is way too dark, as as soon as you step out of the forests you stand out like a black spot, this was similar problem with Russian EMR uniform and its the reason why soldiers, if they could afford it, started privatley purchasing multicam and atacs fg camo. Also one thing to consider, after watching many ukraine war footage, the forests will get blown up to bits and then the battle field just turns into a big brown mud field so multicam works better there, especially when its wet and dirty also considering that the trench warfare is slowly coming back the multicam also works better there. Lithuanian military still in a mindset that they will operate like partisans or something but looking at current warfare development it wont be the case anymore.

  • @anzelmasmatutis2500
    @anzelmasmatutis25002 ай бұрын

    "Margutis" = Easter Egg. Name comes from word "Marginti, Marginimas".

  • @motorcycleta89
    @motorcycleta892 ай бұрын

    Can someone who has treated his lithuanian wife as a queen, please tell me if they are cold? or they fit how her husband/boyfriend/partner treats them? I really wanna go lithuania and marry a woman there

  • @TywinLannister0
    @TywinLannister02 ай бұрын

    I wonder if their are women in the Lithuanian military? i bet they look pretty.

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