I feel Genesis is like explaining where babies come from to a 6 year old. The explanation is true but very simplified, metaphorical and spiritual.

@livingmombirth4005

6 ай бұрын

That is the way I feel about Darwinian evolution and related theories except they have no basis in truth. However, they are very handy if one needs a crutch to not believe in a real creator.

@dymonbrady6812

18 күн бұрын

@@livingmombirth4005 I’m embarrassed there are people in the church today who don’t believe in evolution

Thanks for addressing this. As a non-member, it's a question that I have had for some time, but never really had the opportunity to ask.

@michaelbarrister429

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax So you're saying that the articles mentioned in the video are complete fabrications? Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch? And if you believe they are fabrications, provide some evidence that the Church has repudiated this claim?

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax Then why has there never been an official policy press release stating that while there has been several saying it is up to individual conscience? There has absolutely been leaders who did not believe in Evolution, just as there has been just as many who do. That majority have not published an opinion.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikkifrompreston4396 Well according to Glen Larson it is a spaceship that brought Adam and Eve from Kolob to Earth. I agree it isn't evolution, but I find it compatible with evolution. It teaches who and why, not the mechanics of how. Everything was created spiritually before it was physically. The Temple teaches creation was organized and planned. Mechanics are open to interpretation, and the official statements have always been, "Man was created in God's image" with no further exposition as to how. That neither denies or confirms mechanics.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax When did a Prophet, in General Conference. do so? So far most of the anti-evolution quotes are taken from non-conference settings, or from before being called as a Prophet.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikkifrompreston4396 "According to evolution, night and day did NOT come after the continents and oceans gathered and got organised on earth. " I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt. But that is one of the most stupid things I have ever read. Evolution is biology, not geology. The principles of evolution only apply to biological development. Unless you are insisting that the Temple teaches a geocentric flat earth, which not one single Prophet has ever endorsed. LDS Theology is not Flat Earth, which it what you are insisting. That is insane.

“We believe that all truth of whatever kind - be it moral, spiritual, physical, or natural - comprises one great whole and cannot be inconsistent with itself. And so, whatever its origin or however discerned, we seek after and accept truth.” - Elder D. Todd Christofferson

@Jared888

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax what we don't know is if evolution was the method God used in the creation process and if Adam and Eve were indeed the first people/humans/homosapiens to come from that process. We don't know, but it is possible.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax There is an official stance about why there was a creation, not how. Genesis is a long poem, with minor details contradicted by both the Pearl of Great Price and the Temple. Even ancient Hebrews believed it to be mostly symbolic.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax No, because back as an literature undergraduate I took two courses of The Bible as Literature, and then as part of my Master studies I took a course on Jacobean literature that discussed the KJV. I have also read the Annotated Hebrew Correspondence Bible. It is accepted Bible scholarship from Jewish to Catholic to Protestant to secularists that in the original Hebrew, Genesis is a long poem, with rhyme and meter. While not every book in the Old Testament is, many are. Reading the Bible in English one loses over half the symbolic meanings.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax I do not believe that the message does contradict, since I believe the message is about God's ultimate authority not an engineering schematic. The poem teaches the same truths, but uses different language.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax In certain details, not overall messaging. The message of Divine Parents who have a plan for us is the same. Unimportant details about the specifics of Creation differ. That is only important to people who ignore the obvious metaphors in favor of treating it like an engineering schematic. I clarified my original comment.

For a church that is so connected to the divine… There’s really a lot of gray areas and unanswered questions and uncertainties.

@coleygyaluv

2 жыл бұрын

We are not supposed to know everything. If we did there would be no purpose to be on this earth. It’s a learning process. Didn’t you hear him say the Restoration is still occurring? And there is also a lot scientific knowledge we still don’t have either. And that’s okay. That’s why we have the scriptures and school to learn spiritual and secular learning.

@BrendonKing

2 жыл бұрын

@@coleygyaluv I don’t believe there was a need for the restoration. While I agree with you we do not nor will we know everything in this lifetime, you would think the nature of the advent of Man would be a bit more clear.

@samuelthygerson6009

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikkifrompreston4396 That is not what Nicole was saying, I know for a fact that Joseph Smith did indeed restore the true church, and even Joseph knew he could not reveal everything. Doctrine does not change, now you may bring up polygamy or race & priesthood but it was never doctrine, just the rule, and race & priesthood was not even revelation given by God, yet they ended by God, either as a mistake like race or a end of law like polygamy. I will not go into polygamy and race and the priesthood but there are amazing videos on them by Unshaken. Revelation is ongoing, that is what is taught in scriptures, In the Doctrine and Covenants, God revealed that man will increase in knowledge line upon line, precept upon precept. And that was how Jesus learned.

@samuelthygerson6009

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikkifrompreston4396 Commandments are like the 10 commandments and the 2 great commandments Jesus gave, some others include law of chastity and the word of wisdom, commandments and laws are somewhat synonyms. Ordinances, such as baptism and the endowment are little stepping stones to exaltation, everyone is saved, baptism is, in a sense, keys to the Celestial Kingdom. We have to actually live a life of Christ-like attributes to become exalted. Policy is the rule, if that, of a time. For example, a ban on the priesthood being given to Africans was a policy that the Church had, now that policy was not revelation or doctrine, and it was changed to correct a human error. It all is hard to explain and I would greatly encourage you to reach out to your bishop and have a conversation with him about these topics. I do not have all the knowledge and some of the things I have said may not be 100% correct as I did not do a lot of research in these before replying to you.

However life came to be God was behind it

Religion and science are not enemies.

Left to chance, devolution is a much more likely scenario. “Here is matter unorganized” is a very telling statement.

I've had a couple of thoughts on this. Consider, when Adam and Eve were first created, before the fall, their genomes were perfect non-changing. As a result of the fall, the genes became subject to change and corruption. From that time you might consider devolution as a norm. Life spans being so long early on might be an indication. All life is subject to contaminates and viruses and other processes that affect the genes. Some changes make organisms adaptable to environmental alterations, but some cause problems and make us vulnerable to diseases and malformations and such. Just a thought.

@robertopaulpickett4030

2 жыл бұрын

Or consider Adam and Eve as the beginning of the covenant people for this "creation" and that they are the father and mother of all "living" people, ie. the covenant people.

@angryyoungman66

2 жыл бұрын

If we found a Human fossil that dates back to 315,000 years ago which looks kind of undeveloped such as a skull with a big forehead and large teeth that looks closer to that of Apes, That's it no futher proof is required Nature cannot lie.

@chaseallen7499

2 жыл бұрын

I have recently been reading Genesis and this actually would make sense according to your theory. Despite now being Mortal Adam was able to live over 900 years, and his offspring slowly have shorter lifespans until now where we live just about over 100 years at best with the help of modern medicine.

@TheRastacabbage

8 ай бұрын

Devolution is exactly the process that is seen

The way church leaders handle evolution has evolved.

@williampaul7932

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. I think the Church's official stance on it has changed too.

@pattykake7195

2 жыл бұрын

Like many other principles it once expounded…😲

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@williampaul7932 There has never been an official Church stance, just various opinions of the different leaders. BH Roberts embraced evolution back in the 1890s.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax I disagree. There are significant details differing in those accounts, which are explicitly not the full vision. What they shared was limited, and expressed in their own language and understanding. The primary purpose of the scriptures is moral instruction, not planetary engineering. For the last time, I do not claim the scriptures are wrong, but that you misunderstand. Different prophets have expressed different opinions, and that is ok for me. I am sorry it is not ok for you.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax Frankly given the range of theories purposed since the early days of the Church I do not see a problem. Maybe Glen Larson was right. Maybe it is a metaphor. Personally, I agree with Henry Eyring, but there are many solutions, take your pick.

I expect a full explanation on why the spiders and the scary, slimy, creepy stuff on this planet.

But let's get back to the basics: As far as I have figured out the essential point meant in the BoM verses above is:, the Fall was an essential part in the Plan of Salvation, because it brought about the global mortality and the time for divine cabability to test all the children of our Heavenly Father, by putting them to experience all kinds of trial, temptation and suffering in fact, without those trials, THE -ability for Adam and Eve even to have any children and populate the Earth, for the other spirit children of the Heavenly Father were the essential aspects in terms of the Eternal salvation. So,the Fall was a good thing after all, wasn't it(Moses 5:10-12)? I want to ask those scholars and members of the church who believe in Evolution and or are agnostic in terms of the issue: if there ever were literal Adam and Eve out there or had immortality before their Fall whatsoever: Do you believe those 2 Nefi words mentioned above and how were they traditionially understood among Lds-community or were these passages(in 2Nephi 5)written merely with the then knowledge of the Nephite period and have really nothing to do with the modern knowledge on science and evolution in terms of our current world views?

@williampaul7932

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Fall was a good thing. Personally, I don't believe in evolution. The Scientific community squashes any evidence contrary to evolution, like the T-Rex with soft tissue found in Wyoming, because it goes against their narrative. I don't trust them. Their main evidence in support of evolution is time. Time is not constant. Radioactive Carbon

@williampaul7932

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Fall was necessary. I don't believe in evolution. The T-Rex with soft tissue in Wyoming is better evidence to me than Radioactive Carbon dating. Time is not a constant. We really don't know much about it. But Scientists want us to trust time while they squash contrary evidence.

@seans5289

2 жыл бұрын

@@williampaul7932: Would you say it’s more likely that the scientific consensus is based upon a well-conserved lie or that the creation narrative genesis is false?

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

There are frankly several different theories within the LDS Church, none of which are explicitly confirmed by official press releases. The general consensus is that Adam and Eve were actual people and that Adam was the first prophet. Whether or not Adam was the literally or figuratively the first person is a matter of debate (Literal debates were held between members of the Quorum of the Twelve in the 1890s), and there have been Apostles and Prophets on both sides. Interestingly, this debate resulted in the 1970s TV show Battlestar Glactica. Glen Larson believed that the Garden of Eden was a spaceship that brought Adam and Eve to Earth. That is not a mainstream view among most LDS. As David mentioned, the Church doesn't have an official stance. Almost all Church leaders accept that Scriptures are a blend of literal and figurative/metaphorical stories. Most writers cared more about the doctrinal truths beings shared over the historical facts. Genesis likely existed as an oral tradition long before being written down. From a Salvation point of view, it doesn't matter if there were pre-Adamites or not. Salvation comes through Christ. I believe that in the next life we will learn that both Science and Biblical tradition got details wrong.

@timovesterinen3611

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to ask the members who are evolutionists: How do you understand 2 Nephi 2:22-25: is it symbolic or was Nephi just wrong?

“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”

I’m glad this David dude is is becoming one of the main faces for this channel. As far as Mormon social influencers go, I got to say that he seems like a level headed person who has higher than average levels of self awareness and thoughtfulness. Absolutely not a fan of Cardon Ellis or Kwaku, and I do tend to think most Mormons have ‘cult member eyes,’ but I have to admit this guy really does come off as someone who is good at avoiding lowly forms of attack in argument, and he genuinely is good at critical thinking and sharing thoughts. Don’t lose this guy, Saints unscripted, and give him a raise. He is one of the few Mormons that make ex and non Mormons consider the notion that active Mormons really can be thoughtful non-culty people. Plus tons of Mormons have self-righteous arrogance emanating from their eyes, and this dude really does have a peaceful non-self-aggrandizing vibe to him. Like he really comes off as a decent human, unlike Kwaku and Carson. (But I’m sure Kwaku and Cardon would say I’m a bad person from my comments too)

@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843

2 жыл бұрын

Mimi seemed like a half decent person too. Haven’t formed a solid opinion on Brad Wittbeck yet. But Kwaku and Cardon = me not a fan.

@Mine4062

2 жыл бұрын

David's awesome but I also loved Kwaku.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@wellsaidgoodheadfred9843 Well Carson was never a presenter (to the best of my knowledge) and Kwaku left over two years ago. Mimi is also no longer with the channel.

I reject the LDS endowment ceremony teaching that Adam of Eve were the first humans on Earth and brought death into the world.

Another great video!

That's how I have always looked at it...science teaches the how, while religion teaches the why. It's like a jigsaw puzzle. If you are putting together the sky, and I'm putting together the grass, it looks like we're doing two separate puzzles. But eventually we will fill in the space between, and we will see that there was really only one puzzle all along. I studied geology at BYU aeons ago, and nobody outside the religion department had a problem with evolution. Somewhere I still have a copy of a letter from David O. McKay to a geology professor (at the U of U, I think) where he states that the Church has no official stance on evolution.

@howardsmith9342

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax How does that contradict the scientific explanation? Sure they saw the history of the universe, but in how much detail? What exactly did they see? None of us know, and they didn't leave a record.

@howardsmith9342

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax Why does one exclude the other? Did God wish everything into existence, or wave a magic wand? Or did He use natural laws that we are only beginning to understand? As powerful as those scriptures are, they're pretty vague with the details of how He created everything. As vast and as complicated and diverse and beautiful as this universe is, I don't think "God made it" is much of an explanation of how it came to be. Does God follow natural laws, even those of which we have no clue, or does He just conjure things up?

Do latter day saints believe that Noah's Ark was a literal historical event that actually happened?

@life-of-taylor

2 жыл бұрын

I am doubtful and unaware of any "official" church stance on this subject, but speaking for myself (and at least one BYU professor), IF Noah's flood story really happened, it has more than likely been heavily embellished in the scriptures (like many other stories found in ancient text). For example, perhaps there was a prophet by the name of Noah who cried repentance, and perhaps he felt inspired to build a ship, and perhaps there was a destructive flood. But it's unlikely the flood was actually global, and even less likely that he packed two of every animal on the earth. The flood was probably local, and Noah probably gathered his own flocks and herds together, saving sets of two and seven for clean and unclean animals as the case may be, saving all those under his own stewardship. Nevertheless, as David points out in this video, the Bible is not a science text-book and, by implication, isn't a history text-book either. Scripture is not meant to be irrefutable, scientific and historical fact, but rather to teach us about God, the Messiah, and our relationship to Him. At the end of the day, I would have no problem if 90% of the Bible turned out to be stories, poetry, and parables, so long as it has enhanced my connection to God.

@dukeofsahib4967

2 жыл бұрын

@@life-of-taylor That's interesting. When you are reading the bible how do you go about determining what is historical and what is poetry?

@robertopaulpickett4030

2 жыл бұрын

I believe that many of the Old Testament stories before the establishing of Israel (pre-King Saul) are either symbolic or embellished to teach a lesson. Remember that the modern Old Testament was compiled while in Babylonian captivity and most of the older stories came from memory and oral traditions. The story of Noah's Ark is just another form of the story of the Creation. It is about God starting anew when he needs to, a sort of restoration of the gospel.

@TheRastacabbage

8 ай бұрын

Literal, historical, miraculous events

I came to the Church as someone who believed in Evolution and since I'm a member and especially after my Endowment i feel even more assured that Evolution took place on this earth.

@faulkner42k70

2 жыл бұрын

When I converted to the church I believe evolution to be true because of the archaeological evidence for evolution so for the people like us that Believe in evolution and christianity we would be called evolutionist Latter-day Saints

@charlemagnetheFranks

2 жыл бұрын

@@faulkner42k70 the most dangerous thing for you to do is trust a bunch of grifters. Some of these so-called scientists made money off of evolution. Double back on your research. Adam and Eve are genetic children of God. True they were not born they were created by his hands. You do know that atoms genetic code comes directly from Heavenly Father. In some regard Adam may look exactly like the father in heaven. I expect more from Members the church.

@faulkner42k70

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlemagnetheFranks The reason why I believe evolution is a fact is because I’ve done research and I’ve come to the conclusion that evolution actually happened because there is fossil evidence if there was no evidence I wouldn’t believe it

@charlemagnetheFranks

2 жыл бұрын

@@faulkner42k70 right there! Research! You just went down a rabbit hole made by grifters who made money off of evolution. They made their own movie stage and you believe every bit of it because you did your so-called research. How embarrassing! Did Heavenly Father through the Holy Spirit say yes my son you are right we did come from dirty monkeys. And not from Adam and Eve. Somebody did their research with the power of mankind and not power of the Gospel. Try again! By the way very embarrassed about your research. Pathetic as the emperor would say. I'm not angry I'm upset that people fall for the tricks of human man-made research founded by the Devil Himself. Oh wait with your research there is no devil LOL. LOL X 1000😂🤣

@chrissessions6108

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlemagnetheFranks what is truly embarrassing is a person who intentionally avoids learning in a desperate attempt to protect their fragile belief system. If you really want truth, you will be willing to take an honest look at all of the information that has been made available to you. If you really think God gave you a brain, then why do you discourage using it?

Bro Brigham postulated that people lived on the moon and the sun….so anything is possible…🌝 🌞

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

Not really, scientists of the day postulated that the sun and moon were inhabited, and Brigham explained how it such were true it would be compatible with LDS Doctrine.

@pattykake7195

2 жыл бұрын

@@brettmajeske3525 True…the LDS have many out there doctrines….🥴

That chess analogy fit pretty well with a conversation between myself and a friend recently on this topic.

What took so long to tackle this topic?

@brookebennett6006

2 жыл бұрын

Why would it be necessary to cover before now if there’s no church doctrine specific to it.

@charlemagnetheFranks

2 жыл бұрын

@@brookebennett6006 the church is a human entity organization. Just like the priesthood Doctrine that took too long to come out, to be so embarrassing. The church decided to take its time until finally the prophet stepped up and the revelation. That is the same embarrassing situation we're in now. The more we feel to have the answer the more the prophet may come closer to making the Revelation known to us all.

@charlemagnetheFranks

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax thank you. I hope everybody else checks it out.

Does the church take a position on a literal Adam and Eve?

@charlemagnetheFranks

2 жыл бұрын

@T Haslem nice explanation about Eve. But I mean to say that Adam and Eve come from the genetic code of the Father in heaven. He is our prototype. And we are still evolving at this time. The resurrection is definitely a large leap towards the next level evolution. To be able to withstand all environments of the universe is definitely evolution. The other word for Resurrection is apotheosis. I do not believe in evolution it today because they are grifters making money off of evolution. I believe in the complexity of DNA. If you've ignored my other comment I believe that we are able to make clones today why not God the Father make Adam and Eve. Adam said to Eve you are the Flesh of My Flesh. Then he declared her not apart of his flesh now his wife. Read deeper into the scriptures period and you'll have so many aha moments.

@kenhilker2507

2 жыл бұрын

@T Haslem how does one reconcile a metaphorical Genesis 1 regarding creation and evolution, with a literal reading of Genesis 2 about Adam and Eve? I'll phrase it even more bluntly. Do the church members who accept evolution specifically accept *human* evolution from a shared primate ancestor? and if so, how does a literal Adam and Eve fit into that?

@kenhilker2507

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax how about you? Do you accept evolution and human shared ancestry with our primate cousins, AND accept a literal Adam and Eve reading of Genesis?

People talk about evolution so much because of it’s moral and worldview implications. If the impetus and strongest purpose of life is survival then it is hard to intellectually support the value of the weak or the poor. Do we have inherent value because we are created by God for a purpose, and we able to communicate in a unified way about morality through that lens, or are we pond scum evolved to a higher order with no inherent value and purpose while morality is relative to each random evolved brain. It becomes a theological question about the nature of God, is it an advancement in theology and therefore allows us a unified idea about communicating moral policy or a step back in theology that doesn’t allow a unified understanding to communicate with. The implications of morality on human life, if natural selection is the vehicle of our betterment, would lead to results that most would think ethically produce atrocities and tyranny of a great portion of the population.

@thehowlingjoker

2 жыл бұрын

Evolution doesn't make any claims about morals or world views. It just explains how allele frequencies change.

@boltrooktwo

2 жыл бұрын

@@thehowlingjoker It has definite moral implications to those that believe in it. To be rational people remix and turn out conclusions from ideas, and evolution is an idea that touches what the value of life is and what it's about.

@thehowlingjoker

2 жыл бұрын

@@boltrooktwo Evolution doesn't make any claims on lifes 'value'. It simply describes change in alelles.

@boltrooktwo

2 жыл бұрын

@@thehowlingjoker So the icons of evolution, like the tree of animal families that supposedly evolved from each other and the image of the ape slowly transitioning into an upright human came from an idea about something that maybe changes alleles at random?

@thehowlingjoker

2 жыл бұрын

@@boltrooktwo They are visual depictions of an outcome of change in alleles yes. Alleles don't exactly change at random. "The allele frequency represents the incidence of a gene variant in a population. Alleles are variant forms of a gene that are located at the same position, or genetic locus, on a chromosome." Essentially, it's the frequency of certain genes in populations. When a new gene arises and spreads throughout a population that would be an example of a change in allele frequencies. As a gene has become more frequent in a population. These changes in the genetics lead to changes in the organsim, which in turn leads to changes such as speciation and models that represent it such as the tree of life. The monkey to man image is just a tool used for teaching evolutionary theory (it depicts an incredibly oversimplified view of human evolution and evolution in general), it's not actually part of the science, just a visual depiction of gradual change. The theory doesn't have moral implications, what people ake away from the theory can however. That humans are apes is just a fact, if someone then decides that means humans are worthless then that's their doing, not the theory.

Yay! I’m the first to comment.

Christ said blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness. True holiness and Godliness and the truth is what we are supposed to be about. Any manipulation of the truth at all is not of God, anyone who does is of the devil, Christ's words not mine. This includes ommision of relevant facts related to any topic. Do your homework on anything said by church members or this channel. I trust in God & Christ's own words, not those who are supposedly speaking for them.

The problem with reconciliation between Evolution and Christianity is NOT the Creation story. It's the Fall of Adam. This is crucial to understand. All the talk about creation timeframes and theistic evolution are irrelevant. These apologetics don't address the key issue. In Christianity, the Fall introduced death and sin into the world. Christ's mission was to provide salvation from these things. If there is no literal Fall, there is no literal Salvation. (Relevant Bible scriptures: John 3:16, Rom. 3:23, 1 Peter 3:18, Rom. 5:8, 1 Cor. 15:45. Gen 1:29-30. Deu 32:4. Rom 8:22, etc. for example: 1 Cor 15: 21-22. "21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." LDS scriptures are even more express: see 2 Nephi 2, and Alma 42.) It the Fall is taken to be a metaphor, then Christ's Atonement (overcoming Death and Sin) is also a metaphor - and Christianity loses it's key divine element. Jesus becomes prophet and teacher - not Savior. However, if the Fall is taken to be literal, Christianity retains its need for an Atonement, but it is no longer compatible with Evolution (Death had been present and driving differential reproductive success in organisms for over 4 billion years prior. Also note that several scriptures indicate that death for for HUMANS as well as for ANIMALS was introduced via the Fall and didn't exist prior.)

@one800scott

2 жыл бұрын

Remember God put angels to guard the tree of life after the fall to prevent them from living forever once they ate the fruit. In other words, figuring out how to live forever, for fallen or unfallen alike was already figured out by the Gods well before Adam.

@michaelbarrister429

2 жыл бұрын

What if God utilized evolution to create bodies for the spirits of Adam and Eve, then, when the bodies were ready, placed their spirits in their bodies and placed them into a garden prepared especially for them. In the garden, there was no death, disease, etc. Adam and Eve fell, had children, we're all here. The issue of no death before the fall was an issue for me for many years. I eventually came to believe that it could easily mean "no death in the garden . . . "

@robertopaulpickett4030

2 ай бұрын

Consider that the name Adam and Eve are metaphorical names. Adam means, of the red earth. I'm other words, a carbon matter creation that is mortal. He is representing all of mankind. The Fall is assigned to him, but it's really us that fall. We are Adam. We fall. We need a Savior.

"Half a century" and you point to a DEAD GUY!?! I am so offended. ;)

I think that the recognition of evolution as a scientific fact poses a few more theological problems than this video lets on. A literal Adam and Eve, the doctrine of the Fall, the Global Flood, and even God as creator of mankind all face serious complications in light of Darwinian evolution. I don't think Joseph Fielding Smith was too far off when he said the following: "I say most emphatically, you cannot believe in this theory of evolution of the origin of man, and at the same time accept the plan of salvation as set forth by the Lord our God. You must choose the one and reject the other, for they are in direct conflict and there is a gulf separating them which is so great that it cannot be bridged, no matter how much one may try to do so." Then this statement from Russel M. Nelson, relatively recently - in 2007, is just baffling from someone who should understand science: "To think that man evolved from one species to another is, to me, incomprehensible. Man has always been man. Dogs have always been dogs. Monkeys have always been monkeys. It's just the way genetics works." There is indeed a serious clash between LDS doctrine and science in this space. And despite what this videos claims, it's an important one to understand and consider in depth if we are interested in truth.

@Mine4062

2 жыл бұрын

I am not LDS but I am a Christian and for me, I would say most of the objections you mentioned are easy enough to reconcile (in my mind at least). Literal Adam and Eve. As David points out, not all scripture should be taken literally. But if you do so choose, man in Hebrew is adam and in Genesis 1 is used in the collective form meaning mankind and in Genesis 2 it is "the man". God as creator of mankind. As David points out as well, the Bible is about the why and science is about the how. I see no problem accepting that God created mankind and that evolution are both true as we don't have specific details of HOW God did so other than that he created Adam (mankind) "from the earth and breathed life into his nostrils". Being created from the earth sounds like a pretty good way that Moses could use to describe evolution especially to an audience that still believed the earth was flat. There is also the theory that homo sapiens and other hominids could have existed before the breath of life which could mean the bestowing of spirit or soul (not to be confused with The Spirit) to man. Global flood. The whole earth has multiple meanings throughout the Bible. Sometimes it means all of the entire globe, sometimes it is hyperbole, and other times it means the whole known earth to the speaker. A "global" flood which consisted only of Mesopotamia is easily conceivable. And again, not everything is necessarily meant to be taken as scientific fact. The Doctine of the Fall. This is one you are your own about because as a non-LDS, I don't agree that the Fall was a good thing. Maybe some of these help, maybe not. But they are just some of the possibilities for any believer attempting to reconcile scientific truth and doctrine. God bless. 🙏

@clinthilton1348

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mine4062 I appreciate your more nuanced Christian perspective. From an LDS framework I think these may be a little more problematic. Literal Adam and Eve: According to both scripture (OT, NT, BoM), Joseph Smith's teachings (D&C, Lectures on Faith, etc), and LDS temple instruction, a literal Adam and Eve were brought to life around 6000 years ago and lived in present day Missouri (until they were kicked out to the Middle East). We now know that virtually the entire world (every major continent) was already populated at that point. So who exactly was Adam and why was he needed? Was he merely the first prophet of God? Was he the first man with a soul? Were souls endowed upon the entire human race at that point or just on Adam and his posterity? What about living humans today who aren't descendant from Adam? Lots of concerns here that paint a very different picture than what has been taught by prophets for centuries. Global Flood: According to both scripture (OT, NT) and modern LDS prophets, a literal global flood occurred about 5000 years ago that wiped out almost all of life except two of each species and "eight [human] souls were saved". That is the story that is always presented, I have never heard any other presentation from any authoritative LDS prophet or apostle. There are a lot of problems with the idea of a global flood that wiped out almost all of life a mere 5000 years ago. God as creator of mankind: Evolution and teleology just don't mesh very well when we look at the evidence and consider how evolution works. I see no hint of a fingerprint of God in that process. Instead the evidence seems to argue against one. The doctrine of the Fall: The teaching explicitly taught in LDS circles is that there was no death (spiritual or physical) on the earth before the Fall of Adam. Clearly that cannot be true as stated. As a result, scientifically minded believers are forced to massage what is meant by death, thereby converting clearly spoken language into a cloud of interpretive confusion that threatens a straightforward interpretation of any passage of scriptural text any time a square peg arises that is in need of passing through a round hole. And science is good at creating square pegs.

@Mine4062

2 жыл бұрын

@@clinthilton1348 Yeah, okay, I can see what you're saying. Def about the Fall though I think even Christian doctrine holds that there was no death before the Fall so we may have the same issue there. But I do want to clarify that we both seem to be saying that these are problems with doctrines and dogma not faith itself. I think it was on one of these videos about The Chosen show where the director says (something to the affect) that if God does something that is different than your expectation or interpretation of scripture, it is your interpretation that is in error, not God. I think that's particularly relevant to the one about the flood and even the one about a literal Adam and Eve. Side note: Weirdly, the reason I came to the comments on this one was because I was going to ask how evolution can be an LDS supported/taught principle but in the video from the day before, Mimi had said that literal Adam was the first man ever made and I didn't see how those two ideas could be presented together either. I think I have the answer now - its a problem lol Thanks for your reply!

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@clinthilton1348 Actually, no LDS scripture claims a literal global flood. None of the scriptures you reference were written by someone who understood the world to be a globe. Genesis describes a geocentric flat earth, which is what Moses would have believed in. The whole earth from his perspective is just the middle east. Some Praley Pratt, BH Roberts, James Talmage, Joh Widtsoe, Hugh B Brown, Neil A Maxwell, and Henry Eyring all believed. Enough Apostles for you to consider LDS Doctrine has more nuance than you thought?

@clinthilton1348

2 жыл бұрын

@@brettmajeske3525 I appreciate that you are open to a more nuanced view on this, as have been several church leaders over the years. However, by far the predominant view held in the church, and the view most clearly presented in scripture is that of a literal global flood. Here are a few LDS scriptures that suggest as much in pretty clear language: "I do bring a flood of waters upon all the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven and everything that is in the earth shall die." (Genesis 6:17) " The end of all flesh is come before me, for the earth is filled with violence, and behold I will destroy all flesh from off the earth." (Moses 8:30) "When once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is eight souls were saved." (1 Peter 3:20) "There was the great flood, when waters covered the earth and when, as Peter says, only 'eight souls were saved.'" (President Hinckley 2005) I would love to hear an official statement that clarifies official LDS doctrine on this, but as best as I can tell this seems to be the prevailing stance. I have never seen any official statement that expresses openness to something else. If you are aware of one, please do share.

Can you do a video on why the Book of Mormon mentions the name of “Jesus Christ” as early as 500 B.C. Whereas the Bible doesn’t reveal this name until the time of Jesus’s birth?

The Mormon church has become very smart on one aspect. They won't speak on anything that can hurt their bottom line or cause controversy. Examples are Polygamy, evolution, blacks and the priesthood, altering the temple ceremony time and time again. All answers by the church are something like, "well we don't know, just obey and pay tithing"

@michaelbarrister429

2 жыл бұрын

How does the Church's position on evolution affect it's "bottom line"?

@LibertarianUSA1982

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelbarrister429 it's controversial so they say, the Lord hasn't revealed that or don't worry about it. If they took a stance they would have to justify it. Much easier to just ignore it.

@mickski548

Жыл бұрын

@@LibertarianUSA1982 well if we think the lord hasn’t revealed anything on that of course we’re not gunna have a huge stance on it, to say we ignore everything is a lie we have strong doctrine and we hold true on what we believe in, and that’s what pisses off critics, antis can’t stand the fact Mormons exist, they tend to go on KZread they type pro Mormon things and go to the comments and give 0 credit

Evolution on some level makes sense and is inevitable. By and in large however the theory does not, can not hold up. It simply takes too many steps stacked one on top of another, each as infinitely more likely to fail than succeed, to pull it off. Even then were it to roll all 7's out to a quadrillion+ digits, the changes would be disadvantageous before they could be advantageous (an evolving wing makes a bad leg long before it makes a functional wing. Creating sexual reproduction is pointless when you have to simultaneously make a separate male and female, guaranteeing an almost infinite failure of each "success" before real progress could be made). Why when everywhere we look we see order, do we assume that disorder somehow got it right each and every time? None so blind and all that!

@MichaelGMoney

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, correct! Neither makes total sense completely separated from each other. However things pan out a little more if they work in tandem. It explains how our bodies are so intelligently designed, and explains the evidences we have for evolution. Its not an "either or", its a "both". I should add that, this is my personal belief. Not doctrine.

@williampaul7932

2 жыл бұрын

If evolution were true, we would have four arms by now.

@thehowlingjoker

2 жыл бұрын

@@williampaul7932 That's not how evolution works.

@thehowlingjoker

2 жыл бұрын

"t simply takes too many steps stacked one on top of another, each as infinitely more likely to fail than succeed, to pull it off" Statisctics don't really work on things this complex. If we were to look at the likelihood of a single day in the past happening exactly the way it did we would also see that as absurd. "an evolving wing makes a bad leg long before it makes a functional wing" And yet we have a fairly well mapped out and linnear progression showing the developement of wings in the fossil record, as well as practically all other structures seen today. "Creating sexual reproduction is pointless when you have to simultaneously make a separate male and female" That's not how it works or what happened. There was no point where there was only 1 male or 1 female. "Why when everywhere we look we see order, do we assume that disorder somehow got it right each and every time? None so blind and all that!" We don't assume it was disorder. There is order to natural processes. Evolution is organic chemistry guided by selective pressures and rules of biology.

@Mine4062

2 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelGMoney "Its not an 'either or', its a 'both'." A great way of putting it and I'm going to be using that in the future! Thanks!

Much of the confusion in the scriptures seems to come from mistranslation or misunderstanding of ancient words and meanings, like the word day, in the creative periods, which actually translate from: periods of time, and not necessarily equal periods of time, for the earth's creation. If we simply follow the evidence, we know that there was a massive explosion of animal and plant life appearing on earth during the Cambrian period, where the dinosaurs soon followed and quickly died off in a mass-extinction event. The evidence also shows us that man immediately appeared on earth with no slow evolutionary steps from pre-hominid to homosapien. Scientists often make the same mistake Judeo-Christians do and force their opinionated narrative, when the evidence shows otherwise. If we follow the archaeological evidence and understand scripture, both science and religion come together very nicely.

I just want to clearly and plainly state that you CAN believe in Evolution AND God simultaneously. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Plainly speaking, evolution is a change in allele frequencies over time. Thats all it means That it. Nothing more. Evolution doesn't say anything about how life was created and it doesn't try to. Evolution doesn't say anything about the existence of God and it doesn't try to. So please, don't let people tell you evolution is a threat/attack on your faith because it isn't! 🙏🙏🙏

@anthonyrippa686

Жыл бұрын

No you can't. Christ came into the world to fix something. That something was the mortality and degeneracy that entered the world, all living things, our bodies, and our souls, at the Fall. There was no death before that. The whole plan of God rests on this. If you believe in evolution, then you can't hold everyone to the same law of justice, since some may have mutated worse than others, criminals may just be more true to their animal natures.

@TheRastacabbage

8 ай бұрын

You really can't. Scripture does not allow for evolution

I believe that God can and often does operate through "scientific means". I don't see why He couldn't. Science and faith are both tools of discovery and paths to truth. They go hand in hand because God is a God of truth. If we are to define science as "knowledge", like the original etymology intended it to mean, then I'd even say that God is the greatest scientist there is!

I'm a couple of years late to the party, but maybe someone will see this? Here's my take: Moses, when writing Genesis and other books, wasn't interested in producing a book of scientific fact, or in recording history. He was a prophet of God, one who lived a long time ago. If you look at writings from that time, authors weren't generally interested in telling a fact-based story. They were more interested in a narrative, even ones who were writing about historical events. Moses was no different. His narrative was to testify of the Savior and help his people turn to their God, Jehovah (whom we know as Jesus Christ). When writing about how the earth began (and he saw in vision all of it), Moses crafted the narrative so that the Israelites would turn to Jehovah (they obviously didn't get it, but that's another story). The Bible isn't a historical novel or a scientific treatise. It is, above all, a testimony of Israel's Messiah.

Thank you so much!! Perfectly objective and well explained ❤️😍

The Hebrew word of day is Yom and is always translated in reference to creation in a 24 hour period but jews seen day as 12 hours sunrise to sunset, it very clear 6 literal day creation.

According to scripture, Adam was the first living thing on earth. Is this not true? Elder Packer has a great talk on evolution.

God is science, but science isn't God. God has made man to be curious, so we can ask God as we explore this home He has made for us. But I don't worship the discoveries of man, because they are so limited and extremely shortsighted. I would rather prayerfully ponder in my mind the questions I have about this universe around me, as I explore and experiment with all that I see. I refuse to believe God wouldn't be there with me in my explorations. I remember going on trips and doing projects with my Dad. Although I know my Dad had done these project before, he wanted me to find out for myself. I know joy happens when there's growth from one or both parties. What joy God must have in us when He is invited and involved in our studies.

These excuses would not work back in the day when they were written. Genisis says plants were made before the sun. We now know that's not true.

The reason BYU teaches evolution is because they have to by law. My professor at Ricks college gave the best advice about evolution: "Why worry about it"?

Before having watched this, I have to say that yes. I believe in evolution. I believe that God works according to natural principles and laws, and since evolution is a natural principle, I believe in it wholeheartedly.

@charlemagnetheFranks

2 жыл бұрын

With that I would have to question every step of the scriptures. And then leave the church. I can deny every scripture in the book. There is no Noah's Ark. Adam comes to from a monkey. And not genetically created through heavenly father using his own genetic code. No I would leave the church. Be so confused believe that random forces of nature create themselves. At least the regular Christians who believe in creationism have it down pat.

@michiganabigail

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlemagnetheFranks Wow, who sneezed in your cereal? That's what I'm going to say when people spout random angry rhetoric from now on. If we must get into my specific beliefs, I do think that Adam came from a monkey in a sense. I believe that that's how Adam's earthly body was developed, but I believe his spirit came from God's presence. I think we have some of God's spirit in our hearts, to be poetic about it. Just because we don't understand how spiritual DNA is passed down doesn't mean that it isn't. If these issues are still concerning you, I recommend doing some personal study and lots of prayer.

@charlemagnetheFranks

2 жыл бұрын

@@michiganabigail please consider that heavenly father has genetic code and we are taking it from him. And we using his physical genetics to exist?🤣🤮 Who sneezed in your cereal that is weird. I will just put a bunch of LOLs all over this spot laughing at you for believing that we came from monkeys. LOL X 1000.😂

@tezzerii

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlemagnetheFranks, AbbyC - no, we didn't evolve from monkeys. Darwin never said that. Humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor. Sorry if you think I'm nitpicking, but I'm fed up of hearing that nonsense.

@christopherrandallnicholson

2 жыл бұрын

Not that anyone asked me, but "Noah's flood covered the entire planet" vs. "Noah's flood never happened" is a false dichotomy.

"I dont trust the start of the Bible but the rest must be completely true!" Somehow that argument seems flawed.

Eh, i still think the Adam and Eve story is real. If the prophets say otherwise, then I'll believe them tho. Thanks for sharing

@Michael-jo9jz

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't believe someone based off their word, always seek truths yourself.

@starlegends3092

2 жыл бұрын

@@Michael-jo9jz ya, i know. And right now I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, who believes the prophet will speak the truth.

@charlemagnetheFranks

2 жыл бұрын

What's so hard to make a clone out of God the Father? We make clones today. Dolly the sheep. There's no way you going to tell me we came from monkeys ever. In the name of Jesus Christ . I can tell you right now anybody who believes that Adam comes from monkeys it's going to lose their members somewhere because question the possibility at all times. Evolution believes that this is a fairytale story. Without understanding the superior power of Heavenly Father. This is a situation that takes a long time for the church to consider just like the priesthood worthiness Doctrine. Embarrassing because it takes so long for the church to ask the prophet to pray about it yet revelation.

@rconger384

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlemagnetheFranks to your point the Pajaro Dunes retreat showed us that the evolution theory has many problems that do hold up to the rigor of the Scientific Method.

@michaelbarrister429

2 жыл бұрын

You can actually believe in evolution and that there was a real Adam and Eve. They are not mutually exclusive. The information presented in this video does not belong to, nor was it generated by the presenter. He summed up much discussion that has taken place for decades. The people here who have attacked him (even if only mildly) need to examine your assumptions about a lot of things, and do a lot more reading on the subject.

Interestingly enough, Ezra T. Benson listed Darwin as an antichrist.

@braxtonrasmussen2110

2 жыл бұрын

He had some really strong opinions, but that didnt mean he was always right

@christopherrandallnicholson

2 жыл бұрын

He also said the civil rights movement was a Communist conspiracy, so I take anything he said with a massive grain of salt.

@rconger384

2 жыл бұрын

'an' antichrist ET Benson was absolutely right about many things that some hold in derision today. More if what he said is proven as time passes.

@williampaul7932

2 жыл бұрын

If we are animals, can we sin? If not, why would we need a Savior? Darwinism sounds pretty anti-Christ to me!

@christopherrandallnicholson

2 жыл бұрын

If the first man was made from dust, can we sin? The origin of our physical bodies is entirely irrelevant to our level of moral accountability - a topic outside the scope of science - if our spirits are the offspring of God. However, the "natural man" described in the scriptures is essentially a bundle of animal instincts. Evolution simply confirms that it came from the same place all "natural" things come from - nature.

This video seems to have more holes than a Swiss cheese

Oh but there is a stance on evolution, in the temple ceremony. Every living thing has its own seed within itself. (I believe that part is share worthy) The truth is in the scriptures. The details are between the lines. 6 days (creative periods) has always meant a period of time not necessarily 24 hours as someone misinterpreted, like Trinity. We are all created from the dust of the Earth. We are what we eat, and what it ate. Key here: Christ's resurrected body can do all that his mortal body could. Not just mankind will be respected but all mortal life. That and the above is key to the creation and why evolution is false. Remember, science is man's religion. It just requires we believe in someone's conclusion as to what the facts are. Which may not be correct but well supported by experimentation. How it is _read_ is quite subjective, in oh so many ways. The Church may not state a stance but God has already given it for anyone that is willing to search and learn at His hand. Some believe man has made the world cooler or hotter. They should then easily see that every creature in time has had an effect on the original dead and lifeless planet the Earth was at first. But it wasn't by evolution but by introduction. Von Daniken was closer to the truth but was lacking a lot of information. I wouldn't know any of this if it had not been for association with great intelligent people that made these connections from scripture. The science of man eschews the magical version of God, rightly. Because man's science knows nothing of the true nature of God. But the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does know the true nature of God. That is our advantage and key to understanding. I think I have been clear that this is not an official statement of the church, just the source of truth. Yeah, it may take a lot of thought to overcome the misdirections people live with. But the above is all connected and supported by scripture. No evolution, no magic creation. Just the pure science of God, who knows all things.

The big question is, Did the aliens evolve? If evolution is true then the aliens had to evolve from space monkeys. If evo is false then aliens are in reality good (preparing soles) and bad angels, (messing with us)

There being no place in evolution for God, then there is no place in it for me. The tar pit of men's philosophies can't hold me. They reject me. I am rejected by all but God, in whom is my life.

@matthewclaridge8063

Жыл бұрын

I just want to clearly and plainly state that you CAN believe in Evolution AND God simultaneously. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Plainly speaking, evolution is a change in allele frequencies over time. Thats all it means That it. Nothing more. Evolution doesn't say anything about how life was created and it doesn't try to. Evolution doesn't say anything about the existence of God and it doesn't try to. So please, don't see evolution as a threat/attack on your faith because it isn't! 🙏🙏🙏

@jeffwilson4693

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewclaridge8063 To me, evolution is a deduction, set to a model and presented as reality, like a Hollywood movie. It isn't real. No one is evolved. We are all formed in the womb and born. In all recorded human history, mankind is formed in the womb and born. Never, as far back as mankind existed, did they make an mention of having evolved in the time before time. The scriptures don't say that in the unfathomable time before the time of man, God made animals who evolved into man. They state that God made the first man/woman from the dirt, immortal. But they ate the wrong kind of food, and became mortal. These two concepts, creation/evolution, are incongruous in intellect and reason. So if you are given a fish, you thank God for it. Then you eat the meat and discard the bones because they are incongruous.

Interesting take. I am friends with some scientists, who have been published, not a part of our faith, but keep an EYE or two out... check out scientific papers... might be something interesting soon!!

@life-of-taylor

2 жыл бұрын

@@getharryonsax I think she's saying that she knows some published scientists who have told her about some research they've done on the subject, but whose said research has not been published yet, but will be in the near future.

Think of us humans as a cake. There was a recipe that allowed that cake to be made. The cake just didnt appear out of nowhere. But to a 2 year old child it did. Now explain to that child how a cake is made. You will not get too far. So was the creation story as written by Moses. It was God revealing to Moses a very basic explanation of the creation story to a group of humans who never knew was carbon dating was let alone who were the first mammals to roam the world. In 2000 BC none of this science would make a whole lot of sense to people back then. Just like the 2 year old child so man was when the creation story was first told. Now we are getting bits and pieces to how God formed man. Like the cake it was a process. Scientist call this process “evolution”. But what’s incredible is the entire creation story in the Bible fits neatly into the more complex version offered to us my scientific theory of evolution. And because of genome and DNA tracing all humans can be generically traced back to one female and one male humun 😊

Maybe y'all evolved but I didn't. From ape we differ in kind not degree. From God we differ in degree not kind. -Arthur Wiscombe

@chrissessions6108

2 жыл бұрын

The evidence is not on your side, buddy.

@rconger384

2 жыл бұрын

Evolution is only a THEORY, not a law . It lacks sufficient mathematical rigor. By statistics there are simply not enough billions of years for the random mutations to make all the plants and animals do what the promoters want without some organizing work.

@chrissessions6108

2 жыл бұрын

@@rconger384 your creationism is a theory that you can't prove, while evolutionary theory has many lines of evidence. I don't know what your source is for your statistical argument, but it simply doesn't hold up. Genetic mutation happens at a very consistent rate, and natural selection ensures that the best mutations are passed on, so it's not truly random. And however unlikely life is according to your calculations, the fact is life exists, so you can't say it's a statistical impossibility for life to exist by natural laws.

@thehowlingjoker

2 жыл бұрын

@@rconger384 When you say things like "only a THEORY, not a law" you highlight you don't understand what either term means. A theory is the most well supported explanation of facts/phenomena that encompasses facts, laws etc in its explanation. It is supported by all available evidence, provides practical information, can be applied to predict future finds/outcomes and constantly holds up to scrutiny via the scientific method. Theories are the highest form of understanding attainable by science, they are usable, accurate explanations. A law is a description of natural phenomena that is usually though not always mathematical. It doesn't explain how or why things work, it describes what a phenoma does. Also, you can't fairly apply statistics to something soo complex, where so many variable fluctuate or are unknown. If we were to do the same, just to see the likelihood of a single day of your life happening the exact way it did, it to would be deemed statistically impossible.

@rconger384

2 жыл бұрын

@@thehowlingjoker I have had plenty of education. You do not school me. Compare mechanical design of an outboard boat motor yo the bacteria flagellum motor and then get back to us. No there are simply not enough billions of years.

The hallmark of a wrong-God religion or Christian cult are their beliefs of how salvation and eternal life is achieved. Every one of them believes works of righteousness is needed for salvation to be attained. Christian cults believe it is faith PLUS works of righteousness. The true Gospel teaches salvation is a gift by faith in Jesus' work on the cross for the payment of our sins in substitution for them and He raised from the dead. Now works of righteousness does play in for REWARDS, not for eternal life. Some confusion of it seeming works are needed along with faith by mixing the dispensations of Jews and Gentiles...age of the law and the age of grace together. The obvious passages answers the harder ones. The Mormons do teach works are needed for salvation on top of faith. The Calvinist do too. However the Gospel is good news. If salvation is not free and can be lost then there is no good news. True Christianity is unique. Its imitators are all the same. God works with human nature, not against it. God let sin into this world so we could have free will to deal with it. He provides the remedy for sin by sending His Son, the Word as mentioned in Genesis, to die on the cross in our place for our sins. Believe it and be saved today. Here is a 4 minute explanation of how to be saved... kzread.info/dash/bejne/iZxluLdmj7KsaZs.html

In that paragraph you showed from the church the next sentence that you didn’t read said god literally created Adam and Eve. That doesn’t coincide with evolution. Keep up with the mental gymnastics

"Do Latter-day Saints turn a blind eye to scientific progress or toss out the Book of Genesis? " Toss it out.

@Mine4062

2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I think there are more than those two options as the video clearly outlined. But your statement makes it sound like you are in favor of turning a blind eye to science.

So you’re just told what to think about it and not ask questions….evolution is true by the way, and there’s mountains of evidence to prove it….I feel badly for you guys because of the cult you live in….it’s ok to think for yourself.

@brettmajeske3525

2 жыл бұрын

Did you even watch the presentation?

I know Adam and eve first man lord knows all things

I don't believe in evolution from species to species, but I do in inter-species evolution. For example, humans were much shorter in the Middle Ages than they are now. Some animals change their pigmentation to blend into snow during the winter. Also I have a counter argument to the whole Adam wasn't created from dust thing. I actually believe he was. He was created by the same dust the Earth was created from: Stardust.

It is patently ahistorical to suggest that the authors of the bible didn't mean to convey a historical truth when they suggested in Genesis and elsewhere that there was a time on earth when life existed without death. This is a matter of textual exegesis. Go watch a Yale lecture on the Hebrew bible. Don't straw man this and say "it wasn't intended to be science".

The Second Coming is so close (

@timneji

2 жыл бұрын

its good that you the only person on earth to know that. enjoy your knowledge

@charlemagnetheFranks

2 жыл бұрын

@@timneji yeah I wouldn't say it's four years from now. We should never try to predict the second coming. But we will know the signs.

I didn’t like this video, however maybe God is half monkey?

God is a monkey now

@ronbrewer3493

2 жыл бұрын

You are funny .that makes me laugh. It reminds me of myself and some of the things I say .if God is a monkey does that make a baby an adult? Hell no . The essence or purposes of life is growth and to become and to overcome. A baby can grow up and become an adult. We can obey the laws of growth and responsibility and overcoming to grow up and become like our Heavenly parents. We are saved by grace but we are judged by our works and how much we use Gods grace and love in becoming more like He is. Hay guys or you going to let me be on your show ??

@ChristianAuditore14

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronbrewer3493 God made us in his image if we were monkeys so is he I guess the bible isn't true anymore

@Mine4062

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristianAuditore14 So if you draw a self portrait, that makes you a piece of paper?

@ronbrewer3493

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristianAuditore14 well the bible is true.. let's look at it this way . Is an adult still a baby? The essence or purposes of life is growth and to become and to overcome. Here is another way to look at the bible .my mother used to always say if the shoe fits ware it .in my definition of this it a certain disiaplent or teaching applies to my take and use it to overcome a weakness. Now I know that it is mans weaknesses that keep us from God. Remember that the essence or purposes of life is growth and to become and to overcome. A baby can grow up and become an adult. We can grow up and become more like Lord Jesus. Another way to look at the true bible is this . I have never read anywhere in the holy bible where Christ Himself did any writing except for in the sand so who wrote the holy bible true prophets disciples of God..I have never heard of a perfect prophet they have the right to grow up and become more like God as anyone of use do . I do not know the answer to everything if I new everything I would be a God. I am not a God but nearther is a baby an adult. Think about that chew on it for awhile ..God be with you.

@ronbrewer3493

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChristianAuditore14 I know I walk on all four with my braces and crutches but I am not a monkey.