*This video is about CULTURAL identification. NOT Brexit!*

@henryparka3718

6 жыл бұрын

Well, it is in the title of the video and you do talk about Brexit briefly. But it is unfortunate that people are getting a little wild in the comment section throwing around big words. You mean well and speak from your hearts without any intention to offend anyone. What irritated me slightly is how you seem to use the word "European". The French will identify as French. The Spanish identify as Spanish. Not European. Every country has its own cultural identity. But to claim that British culture feels tremendously different than French or Dutch for example is a stretch in my opinion. Just take a look at a globe as your viewers from Japan probably feel a little confused about that statement. For me "European" rather describes a loose sense of community through geographical location and cultural values (western or christian) underpinned by a shared continental history. It is revealing how adamantly British feel the need to push back on being called a loose description of geographical affiliation. Britain has a proud history, a long line of remarkable achievements and traditions that are beloved by people around the world. Nobody is telling British people to stop calling themselves "British". But they are part of Europe. The question is: Do the British feel a sense of community with the rest of the continent? Sadly it appears that the answer for many Brits is No.

@Val-tm5sg

6 жыл бұрын

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@johnguy1781

6 жыл бұрын

Being British: Joel & Lia I just stumbled on your videos I am from the US Las Vegas and I think they're great and I think Joel is just absolutely adorable

@lostinmilan

6 жыл бұрын

I watched the video days ago so I hope to remember correctly what you said. But I think the point you're missing is that the European identity isn't something there yet. It's not that you British are so different by the rest of us, but that in the entire continent there isn't yet a common culture like the Americans have. There are similarities between European countries, but a more solid common European culture is something that is going to be built in the **future**. And it's not a fast process to create a common culture. It'll probably take a century. But thanks to the EU people are moving easily to other European countries. People of different nationalities will marry each other and they'll have children in a third foreign country. We are slowly mixing. Cultures will blend together creating a cultural identification. And probably English will be the "lingua franca".

@melvinbeck5047

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for being balanced in your opinion Benton. But, I allow the leavers their volition; if they insist on having a Brexit, so be it. Brexit is a terribly unfortunate event for the youngster, and a display of ignominiousness and puerility for the old, disillusioned little Englander. I wonder, why do their children still listen to them, to their antiquated and restrained views? Is the intergenerational linkage so strong in the UK?

As a Swede with Portuguese roots, I must say I find this both interesting and strange. And that whenever I hear a British person talking about "going to Europe" that always really does sound weird in my continental ears. I honestly don't find British culture all that different from other European cultures as a whole. In fact I find there's a bigger difference between Swedish and Portuguese cultures than between British and other Northern European cultures. But maybe I'm missing something. Btw, I also have to exchange money from Swedish crowns to Euros when I travel to (most) other European countries. That said I do agree that no one has the right to tell anyone else what they should identify as. If you don't feel European than that's just how you feel and that's ok. I suppose the fact that Britain is an island does play a significant role in British people's national identities, but it can't be the only thing. After all Icelandic people see themselves as Europeans even though Iceland is much further away from the continent than the British Isles are. That may of course be due to the fact that they have such strong cultural ties to the rest of the Northern countries.

@melvinbeck5047

6 жыл бұрын

First of all, I would like to address that Europe is not only the North European countries. I myself am from a Northwest European country. However, I think that South European countries and East European countries should also not be overlooked in mentioning the European Union. I am from the Netherlands, and even though I am very Dutch, I refuse to see myself as a North European. I feel that the Netherlands, as one of the forerunners of the European project, more heavily relies on their West European counterparts, also culturally, and Dutch nationals should not immediately feel that an adherence to a Scandinavian or obstinate British purview of the world, which in my view is too traditionalist, is the way to go. The puritan North is something you want to get away from, not espouse. As highly developed countries in the West, e.g. Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, France, Italy and Luxembourg, begin to collaborate more, I feel that there is a cultural element to the European Union, and it is not so much a parti pris towards the Northern or Southern axis, but more a readily central European primacy.

@melvinbeck5047

6 жыл бұрын

I do not really enjoy cultural diversity, and I believe that the Western culture should subsume the cultural diversity in order to standardize how we operate. We are going to do that with the EU.

@onestrangeanimal3212

6 жыл бұрын

Of course Europe is not limited to the Northern European countries. As for cultural diversity, there are good and bad things in all cultures and it would be great if we could learn from every culture and take the best from each one, wouldn't it. Of course reality is never that easy, but I do hope that increasing interactions with people from different parts of Europe and even from other continents will eventually result in a harmonisation of cultures, in an emerging, more global, but above all, more open culture.

@links2films201

6 жыл бұрын

The Portuguese also say "going to Europe" and Spain is seen rather like an ocean to be sailed across than a neighbour and brother nation. That European feeling of yours is from Sweden because we , the Portuguese , do not feel European at all. I don't but most of the Portuguese want the country to leave the E.U. Due to historical reasons the only country in Europe that the we feel close to it is the U.K. I believe that the R.O.I and Portugal will leave the E.U in a near future and that more than a cultural or political Europe the genetic one will prevail. The R1b group will keep together and apart from the Scandinavian , Slav and Germanic. It is a natural instinct. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_Europe#/media/File:Percentage_of_major_Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_Europe.png

@onestrangeanimal3212

6 жыл бұрын

Really? I didn't know there was so much EU skepticism in Portugal. I'll be sad if the country leaves the union. As I'm sad to see the UK go. Sweden has been quite skeptical of the EU in the past. There were even some people who suggested we should have some kind of Nordic Union instead. Unfortunately we haven't even joined the EMU yet. And neither has Denmark. I don't think genetics or instinct have anything to do with it really. I think it's mostly about culture, economy and politics.

Winston Churchill summed it up for us Brits and England regarding Europe, he said - *We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.*

@b.3049

6 жыл бұрын

But.... Churchill was a conservative asshole.

@trancehi

6 жыл бұрын

Reno Zed Hate the English much?

@reno.zed1

6 жыл бұрын

trancehi I'm English and I love myself. What about yourself?

@trancehi

6 жыл бұрын

Reno Zed Fair enough, I got the impression you were foreign and commenting about the English or had some sort of grudge against the English. No worries.

@MamaFriday

6 жыл бұрын

This quote sounds as though it could have been one of the American founding fathers. Love it or hate it, it’s a very independent spirit and ideal which I find highly relatable as an American.

The thing is, there isn't such a thing as european identity. Europeans are very diverse. We are all part of western civilisation, thats for sure.

@tacosmexicanstyle7846

6 жыл бұрын

Audrius Martinėnas The EEC (relabelled as EC once it became politicised) and subsequent EU tried to push a European identity that the U.K. didn't catch onto. The Eurozone is one such product of forcing a "European identity" and making the EU appear to be one single nation (it has a flag and a national anthem after all). You're right when you say that the euro identity doesn't really exist as its own culture, it is stateless after all, BUT that doesn't mean the EU as a political entity hasn't tried to create a common identity for its member states to share. The UK is more patriotic about its differences than other EU members, so it's really not surprising that they don't feel "European"

@tacosmexicanstyle7846

6 жыл бұрын

Ryan Shannon They're homogenous only to an outsider. Don't call a Japanese the same as Chinese (or god forbid Taiwanese). European cultural unity only exists in the eyes of a non European!

@puclopuclik4108

5 жыл бұрын

@Durandal what is european culture? I don't know any. Diferent languages, diferent scripts, diferent religious, diferent political systems, diferent customs, diferent cuisine atc.

@etherealhawk

4 жыл бұрын

@Ryan Shannon in no other continent is there that above-national identity. It's unnatural. You don't see Indians hugging Arabians, Russians and Chinese over how they're all "Asian". It's a joke.

@raynemichelle2996

3 жыл бұрын

Europeans are white people from western Eurasia, many of whom tried and succeeded in colonizing other parts of the world.

Identify as British, I feel more culturally similar to Australia than I do France to be honest

@raynemichelle2996

3 жыл бұрын

So, you feel more culturally similar to Indigenous Australians? European Australians don't really count since culturally they are British, as are most Americans and Canadians, and the rest of the anglophone settler colonial nations that were settled by British people.

@Chadhogan111

3 жыл бұрын

100%

@DylanMush

2 жыл бұрын

@@raynemichelle2996 yes that’s right

@Telepather

2 жыл бұрын

You are European, you just happen to be a part of a once leading world superpower, a position which was then taken over by your country's "son", America, continuing the legacy. I think what makes you stand out from other European countries is that you produced 4 other countries that all speak English, 1 of which became even more powerful. You feel culturally similar to Australia because it's literally your progeny.

@hansdejamir4110

2 жыл бұрын

Identify as Argentinian I feel more culturally similar to Italy than Brazil. But people in UK label as like a South American

As a Brit, I would refer to myself a British/English, but equally I would refer to others as a German, French, Spanish, Italian and not European. It's just the way we are brought up, nothing to do with snobbery.

@Rgsetters

2 жыл бұрын

Agree with identifying other European nations to their actual nationalities. When I talk about Europe I am mostly talking about the EU as a political entity.

@KarrieDreammind5

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! But so does everybody else. Nobody walks around within Europe saying "I'm European" first and foremost, and only then to specify their nationality. Literally it's the same for every country, Brits aren't any different in that regard.

Okay guys, it's like this....Geographically you are a part of Europe and each Country in Europe has it's own culture (which is a good thing). So I don't understand why you guys (meaning Brits) want to basically separate yourselves from them. It's almost like the "we're not like them" syndrome.The US and Canada are two separate countries but we're both North Americans.

@ryan9877

6 жыл бұрын

I'm a Brit but I am also identify European and British

@gdfggggg

6 жыл бұрын

We want separation from the politically driven EU. Want our independence to do our own thing. We have little influence in the decision making and Britain’s need for change was ignored by the EU masters when Cameron tried to address those issues. We love Europe, we love the European people and their cultures but we despise the EU.

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

North America is a continent containing the US and Canada. The UK is part of an island group unconnected to the continent of Europe.

@control2007

6 жыл бұрын

Actually, North America is far more than just the US and Canada. It includes every country from Panama north which happens to include many island countries like Cuba, Haiti, etc. Europe is a geographical term and the UK is absolutely European. The EU is a political term, and the UK has elected not to be a European Union state.

@BlunderCity

6 жыл бұрын

@Jason Tolbert But you only talk about geography and politics. There is another angle: culture and this is the subject here. And on that front, whether you like it or not, you are European. Your culture is rooted in Christianity and Greco-Roman philosophy, you speak a Germanic language heavily influenced by French, the DNA of Brits mostly come from ethnic groups that come from Europe, your traditions and customs, just like anywhere in Europe, have common roots etc...

I am British. We share history with Europe. But literally we are so different, culturally. I am European, but I am firstly British.. Also, when we leave the EU we are still European. The EU is a just political union. Being in there doesn't make us European or not. Just wanted to clear that up for people. Also please more videos like that!

@paolinasarbeva4560

6 жыл бұрын

hahaha, I am European, but firstly British, then English, then a Londoner, and last but not least Kingstoner, cuz I live in the Borough of Kingston... Well done! hahaha

@norsk2910

6 жыл бұрын

Give me examples of those differences you're talking about, please. I'm curious.

@ron9403

6 жыл бұрын

European countries are completely different from one another. Germany is so different from France even though they are neighbouring countries. I don't see what makes Britain so special.

@norsk2910

6 жыл бұрын

+1 Ron.

@lennyrobinson7321

6 жыл бұрын

Dont call me EUROPEAN The word makes me feel sick Mind you we fought most our big battles in Europe giving countries back to their rightful owners then leaving

I suppose folks should realize that we all have a CULTURAL identity, National identity, regional identity, familial identity, career identity, and LET'S NOT FORGET personal identity!!

@etherealhawk

4 жыл бұрын

Do Arabs, Russians, Indians, Chinese and Japanese all have the same "cultural identity" because they're all "Asian". It's stupid to think the same applies to Europe. Go away.

@baibac6065

2 жыл бұрын

@@etherealhawk European countries are relatively share similarities with the most different being the more East European you go and especially the Balkans. And for some reason some people include Southern Caucasus countries (located in West Asia north of Iran) and consider them European countries just because they were ex-soviet and 2/3 of them are Christian.

Britain is to Europe as Japan is to East Asia

@chandlerngan7484

5 жыл бұрын

Not really, it is like Taiwan to China

@sherkjlsjdf6334

5 жыл бұрын

@@chandlerngan7484 taiwan is belong to china,and free scotland

@cat-uq5hw

3 жыл бұрын

@@sherkjlsjdf6334 No.

As a Brit living in the EU I'm definitely keeping an eye on how brexit may affect my life here since it's a topic that affects both EU citizens living in the UK as well as Brits like me living in EU countries

"You can't tell someone how to feel" and you're right! And as a French and European person, I feel extremely frustrated by your video. The European and national cultures cannot be put at the same level and compared side to side, and it is therefore not an either/or situation. The Italian culture is just as different from the German culture than the British culture is different from the Spanish one. I grew up in the French culture and it taught most of my codes and references. The European culture is a culture based on a common set of values shared among European countries (that includes the Brits, cause you ain't that different) and a common history. And the UK has been involved in almost every major European conflict throughout history, whether it took place on the European continent or during the colonization. The English language has been influenced by the French much more than the other way around. The UK is today facing challenges that are very similar to any other European country, whether it's about mass immigration, terrorism, demogaphics or the economy. To me, the British culture is de facto a European culture. The fact that you guys don't feel that way is revealing of a certain mindset that in entrenched in you and of which you might not even be aware. And this mindset of not considering yourself as Europeans come from a long history of detachment based on a certain sense of (I'm afraid) cockiness, dare I say superiority, in regards to the rest of Europe. And you saying that you come from a "privileged position of being British" (compared to whom exactly?) doesn't help your case.

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

And here we have the arrogance of the French, telling us what we are allowed to think. And yet, when they surrender to the next bloke in a uniform, they will expect us to bail them out again.

@plasticsoup1583

6 жыл бұрын

Funny how they feel so 'privileged'. They should compare the UK standard of living with the rest of Northern Europe for a harsh reality check. For example: every winter the NHS is in a crisis. Something like that would be unimaginable, laughable even, over here in the Netherlands. They can't even fund their own public services properly, what a joke.

@trypeace6579

6 жыл бұрын

Literally no British person feels they are superior to Europe, sick of this bratty mentality from mainland Europe. We're all miserable people who wish we were born in a hot, sunny country to be honest with you. Just because some British people don't feel European it doesn't mean we think we are better? I simply don't feel European because 1) we are not connected as an island 2) our language has gone global basically thanks to America so we feel we share more in common with the USA/AUS/CAN etc. than with Europe 3) the rest of Europe dislike us, you obviously one of them, I mean France vetoed us twice before we could join the EEC because we still had parts of our Empire left and were in cohorts with America.

@trypeace6579

6 жыл бұрын

Plastic Soup, you have a world famous street in your capital city dedicated to prostitution and is completely legal, which some of the girls are being sex trafficked and that's "laughable".

@plasticsoup1583

6 жыл бұрын

@Try Peace: The entire continent doesn't dislike you, don't be ridiculous. The UK has many friends and natural allies, especially in Northern Europe. You, on the other hand, can't help yourself: ''bratty mentality''. Why be so rude? The island argument makes little sense, just ask around in Iceland, Ireland, Malta or Cyprus. The French veto had nothing to do with the things you mention, and language says very little about culture. You are European whether you like us or not.

Europe is a continent, we are leaving the eu not Europe. Just letting you know

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

We were never in Europe. We're a group of islands.

@henningbartels6245

6 жыл бұрын

... and those islands and their inhabitants came from outer space? right !!1!!1 ;-)

@pyeltd.5457

4 жыл бұрын

Steeleperfect understand the difference between Europe and Mainland Europe. Continental Plates and such. That's why the euro tunnle was made. To relink to the better Europe.

@rebeccalinnea4156

4 жыл бұрын

@Steeleperfect My geography professor would turn in pure agony from this comment.

@wrestling46nerd

4 жыл бұрын

@@henningbartels6245 yes

When you say "culturally we're so different from the rest of Europe" I have to disagree. Brit culture is no more special in the European landscape than that of Poland, Spain or Italy. All European cultures are unique in some way, but they all heavily borrowed from each other. Perhaps you'd feel like things are different when you are in Paris, just like a Portuguese would, but if you spent some time in China or Iran you would quickly realize just how similar France and the UK are. I feel like part of what is considered "British snobbery" stems from the narrow focus of the UK's education system. Young Brits that I've talked to typically do not speak a second language and assert they have not studied the French revolution or the German philosophers. Furthermore, the oversimplified WWII narrative in which Brits saved an untrustworthy Europe is ubiquitous in books, movies and TV shows in the UK and helps reinforce this feeling of British "exceptionality". Ultimately, people tend to identify with what they've always been told to identify with. And I think the British narrative of history is what really sets them apart from the rest of Europe, rather than an actual difference in culture.

@Pax.Britannica

3 жыл бұрын

*"Brit culture is no more special in the European landscape"* Bruh, half the European Christians are Catholic, but 3 quarters of British Christians are some form of protestant. Out of shear distrust of anything European, we replaced Roman law with English common law (A quite frankly, superior form of law) based on precedent & evolution, not a set of principles imposed from above like the Napoleonic codes. And while the European countries really only have themselves to group with, we have the entire Anglosphere with which we identify with so much more than we do any European nation. And 'British snobbery' has, from what I can tell, always been something the continentals have believed. But in reality, it's the only reason the France is France, not Vichy France. And the idea that ideologies from the continent are inferior, is the very reason Britain never became Fascist -> the British way is better.

@minaazad2274

2 жыл бұрын

No Brits mentality is extremely different from European ones and the rest of the world. Yes every culture in Europe are unique but forms of speaking are almost the same in all parts of Europe except Britain.

@KarrieDreammind5

2 жыл бұрын

That is an excellent comment and makes a lot of sense! Because while I have been frustrated with the Brits thinking they're so different from everyone else, when they're not, what you've just explained about how secluded their education system has been actually explains a lot! They're just more limited in their perception of history and have been sheltered from (conscious) cultural influences from other European countries and that's why they think they're so 'different'. In reality they're just mentally divided and that's all. Thank you for shining a light on this topic and helping me see things from a different perspective.

@KarrieDreammind5

2 жыл бұрын

@@minaazad2274 Could you please give some examples? How for example is the Bulgarian language and 'form of speaking' 'almost the same' as say German and French, while British is so much more different from them all than they are different from one another? In other words - can you demonstrate to me how there is more similarity between Bulgarian and German than there is between British and German; or how there is more similarity between Bulgarian and French than there is between British and French?

@minaazad2274

2 жыл бұрын

@@KarrieDreammind5 I mean, there are some polite manners in English especially in Britain that doesn't exist in other european languages. Using such manners is not always used but exist. For example you go to restaurant and want to order something. You can simply say I want to eat a chicken with chips. But if you want to be polite you should say I would like to eat... And more polite better to say we would like or something like that. Brits especially high class ones like to speak in indirect and polite way. While other europeans regardless of who they are. They don't have such manners

This channel is getting controversial. Let me just grab my popcorn🍿.

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

hahahahaha! 😂

I definitely agree. I’m mixed race British and wouldn’t even think to use the term European when describing myself, I always say I want to go on short breaks to Europe completely forgetting that’s actually where I am. Also as a Brit I think you can always 100% spot other Brit’s whilst abroad

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think this is a pretty normal feeling! Oh definitely! Brits stand out like a sore thumb!

@Samuel115s

6 жыл бұрын

if British people are not European then what else are they? Britain is part of the Continent Europe their for they are European. also when European people go to other European countries, they are just as much of a tourist as us. a German person in Italy is just as much of a tourist as an English person in Italy, both are equally an outsider and cant speak the language.

@rudilennon4878

6 жыл бұрын

Samuel115s have not once said Brits aren’t European because we clearly are. What you’re saying isn’t wrong but maybe you just can’t relate because you aren’t British lol

@simonjrgensen6761

6 жыл бұрын

The thing is most Europeans (just like yourselves) wouldn't use the term European to describe themselves. It's not a unique feeling Brits have compared to the rest of the people living in countries which are geographically a part of Europe.

@pyeltd.5457

4 жыл бұрын

No you can't unless they open their mouth

I’m British but was raised in Spain and I’m happy that someone else, around my age, is happy to come out and openly give their opinion on the subject without feeling like they have to adhere to what the majority of young Brits are saying. I agree with you - you can’t tell other people what to feel! Well done for making this video!

I’m spending a semester in the UK for study abroad as an American, and I’ve noticed this with many Brits. I saw an ad for 23andme or something and it said something along the lines “20% of Brits Have European ancestry” and I was confused at first because I was sure it was definitely much higher, but then I realized they were probs talking about continental Europe. I think the British/European distinction is a relatively common one in the UK

@cheyennemarie7075

6 жыл бұрын

Though I think the British/European identity runs much deeper than Brexit, as the European identity isn’t necessarily tied to the EU (like, the Swiss are European but aren’t EU members) though I guess this is really just a technicality lol

@BlunderCity

6 жыл бұрын

Your 20% figure means 20% have, in their family tree, people of a different nationality in the modern sense of the term. The vast majority of Brits have the DNA of a European ethnic group: Saxons, Celts, Normans, Norse etc... something that they share with France (Celts and Normans), Germany (Saxons), Scandinavia (Norse) etc... Brits are European in every sense of the term but sadly politics introduced lies into the debate.

As an Irishman we are similar in being separated from mainland Europe. Irish people often say we're travelling Europe or going to the continent or describe people as "european" if we don't know exactly what country they're from. I think almost every country thinks of themselves as their nationality first so you're not different there. But everyone in Ireland knows we are also Europeans. Whether your e in the eu or not. Britain is a European country. There's nothing to "feel" about being European.. It just is.

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

Britain is not European, it is British. It's sad that the Irish have lost their identity, but we will keep ours, thanks.

@iTipsyTravel

6 жыл бұрын

The fact that the Irish identity is so strong after 100s of years of England trying vehemently to extinguish it is a testament to the Irish people.

@henningbartels6245

6 жыл бұрын

Before I traveled to the UK and Ireland (a few years ago) I could not really tell what are the differences between the Irish and the English. One thing I noticed right away is that Irish were much more openly "European".

@LoverGetamped

6 жыл бұрын

irish is european, british is not, british is british.

@henningbartels6245

6 жыл бұрын

Tang Sen, if the world could be just that simple...

This doesn't have to be an either/or question. I've always regarded Brits as both European AND British. These notions aren't mutually exclusive. Anyway, geographically you are in Europe whether you want it or not :)

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. But we're saying lots of Brits won't acknowledge that they are European. They are British and just British.

@mathieubodson1517

6 жыл бұрын

I do understand what you're saying. And I think what's the problem here is that a lot of people (me as well) see this like... I don't really know how to explain it but it sounds a bit selfish seen from the outside. I mean, the EU is composed of a lot of different countries. And each of them has it's own identity. It's own culture. Still they don't want to leave the European Union ! However it would be too simple to say : "The UK leaves the EU because they feel Brits !" There are a lot of other parameters which we have to take in account. But still the Brexit seems a bit pretentious (without malice) for the "Continentals". But I would like to finish this comment by saying that you totally have the right to do what you want as people and country and to feel how you want. After all, we're here in a democracy ! Still, I'll be sad to see the UK leaving the EU...

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

Actually, Europe is the continent that we are off the coast of. If you call a Brit a European, they will correct you.

@paulr903

6 жыл бұрын

Look at any map or definition of Europe: it contains several island nations including the UK.

@thundertick5666

6 жыл бұрын

That's untrue. I'm British and I'd be fine with being called 'European'. Apart from anything else it's self-evident.

I relate with Lia so much. Where you're technically part of another country because of your ancestry and hertiage but identifying as place you were raised and born in

@KarrieDreammind5

2 жыл бұрын

There's many many people like you across many countries in Europe, believe me. This phenomenon is not unique to the UK in any shape or form.

You know what? I feel the same when Americans or Europeans refer to Brazilians as “latino” or Latin Americans. I just feel Brazil is a whole different country from the other countries in Latin America. So, in my point of view, the expression “Latin Americans” is much more suitable to spanish-speaking countries like Mexico, Colombia, Argentina and Venezuela, for example. I simply identify as Brazilian, not latino or Latin American.

@casoliveira14

6 жыл бұрын

Felipe Goulart It doesn't bother me at all! Hahaha

@flaviaa_rocha

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think that people from any other country in South America identify, at first, as latino too. But coming across Europeans, Asians, etc, we do have this feeling of belonging to the latino culture. Haha

@torsora

6 жыл бұрын

Brazil and Quebec both are also latin american countries since they speak a romance language, deal with it 👍

@raynemichelle2996

3 жыл бұрын

@@torsora Québec isn't a country, its a province within Canada. The québecois are a nation within Canada, but not a separate country. Also Latino isn't a French word, so québecois people will not identify with it.

@garycamara9955

Жыл бұрын

They speak Portuguese in Brazil. Latino is more Mediterranean or Spanish speaking.

First, tanks to your honesty. Second :" Brits are so different than Europeans". SERIOUSLY???? Do you really think that Scandinavians and Mediteraneans have the same way of thinking? Do you really think that West Europeans and Est Europeans have the same culture? Are you kiding? What a joke!!! Some French don't even present themself as French but as "Breton" or "Corse", some Spanish as "Castillan" or "Catalan". The large reason why European Union have so much difficulty to really Works and why it took so much time to do somethings IS cause we are all different and each one have their own culture. The only difference that masters now is with who do you want to work together. European Union answers us cause how much different we are we will still be neibour and at least it give us peace on our soil.

@etherealhawk

4 жыл бұрын

The British have a much different worldview than the continent as a whole. Sovereignty, accountability of officials and the rule of law is way different. Our system of common law is entirely different from the continent for example. European countries change rulers, borders and nationality all the time. Britain hasn't been conquered in 1000 years. We don't have the plastic and elastic idea of not caring about who rules us as the continent does. We care a lot.

@TheChill001

4 жыл бұрын

@@etherealhawk eh Brittain's been conquered in 1000 years, lol...you can only say that in 24 years xD

@sylla2

4 жыл бұрын

@@etherealhawk I think you totally missed the point of the OP. If you see all other Europeans as one big generic mass that's entirely different from the British people, then you have much to learn.

@Vatras888

4 жыл бұрын

Btits just heve no idea how world looks autside of english speaking zone so they think that they are sperarate civilization. Its so silly. Like European Union is with common curency create one homogenious culture XD

@MasterMind-ew5cs

3 жыл бұрын

Its clear you dont get it and never will.

It is so weird that people really feel offended for such a simple thing I think we categorise people according to geographical location to understand their culture and the way they behave If you are meeting or interacting with someone for the first time and If you have a little bit of idea about their culture it really helps You can really talk about the things which are common and avoid doing things which they might not like It is so Simple!

But then every country has their own identity and very different culture- be it Spain, France or any other European country. But still they would identify themselves as Europeans but British even before Brexit are very strong on their opinion of being brit and not European.

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's a weird one. We know we ARE European, but no one really identifies as European here. Odd!

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

Those countries are on the landmass called Europe. We are not.

@alexander4543

6 жыл бұрын

Steeleperfect That doesn't matter, Icelandic people identify as Europeans yet they are an island way further apart from the continental landmass. But the point is that Brits aren't culturally more unique than any other European nationality. It's very arrogant of you living in the belief that your culture is so much different to the other ones and that somehow French, Spanish, Italian and German are all the same

@eye_of_pluto

5 жыл бұрын

@@alexander4543 nobody said that other cultures in Europe are the same. There is absolutely nothing arrogant about not feeling part of something. We simply do not feel like we belong under the label "European". There's nothing wrong with that. We don't believe we are special or better. I don't see why it's such a problem to everyone else that we culturally do not feel European. If you dislike that, that's fine. Simply don't go to Britain. It's that simple.

@alexander4543

5 жыл бұрын

@@eye_of_pluto Yeah right let's just not identify Chinese people as asians and mexicans not as latinoamericans if some random populist right wing movement swept over their countries right?

This is great guys! I just did a segment on this topic in class. My students will really appreciate your take on this. Thanks so much! Love and cheers! 👍💗😘🇬🇧

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tek! Hope so! Thanks for your support! ❤️

You know you can be British AND European, right? Lol.

@tacosmexicanstyle7846

6 жыл бұрын

Black60Dragon You can be, but the UK never truly welcomed the EU and its "we're similar in our differences" attitude. Culturally, I think it's really the Anglosphere vs "not the anglosphere" that the continental European countries represent. The UK shares more similarities culturally with countries outside Europe (the US for example), whereas European continent countries like France Spain Italy have more in common with each other; eg food culture, Romance languages, open borders. I believe that creates some solidarity between the remaining EU countries that doesn't really exist for the UK.

@Black60Dragon

6 жыл бұрын

tacos mexicanstyle The "EU" is not the same as Europe. There are many European countries that aren't a part of the EU and they're very much still in Europe. Same goes for the UK.

@tacosmexicanstyle7846

6 жыл бұрын

I'm a citizen of the EU, you do not need to tell me this. I know. This doesn't change the fact that the EU is the most important piece of this "European cultural identity" idea. I don't find your reply all that helpful because we've already established that European identity doesn't exist, hence the entire debate about whether Britain feels "European" is obviously related to its willingness to participate in the EU (this is the only political entity trying to promote a European culture). The European continent doesn't even exist, it's a cultural idea with no clear-cut geographical landmark separating it from Asia--hence the issue is going to stir up discussion about the EU. Therefore I don't think it's helpful to even think about Europe outside the EU for the purposes of answering this question of Britain's cultural identity.

@Black60Dragon

6 жыл бұрын

tacos mexicanstyle The EU does NOT equal Europe. That's where we seem to disagree. And saying Europe isn't even real, just no. Please go back to school. You're trying to say Switzerland isn't part of Europe? What about Norway? It doesn't matter what you "feel", if you live in Europe, you're European. That doesn't take away from also identifying with the country you live in.

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

No you can't. Britain is off the coast of Europe. Check a map.

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@VerbaleMondo

6 жыл бұрын

So true

Well, I was born in Bristol in 1978, I comment on a lot of videos about Britishness and how British I am, and I regularly get responses of "You, are Polish, stop trying to be English", because of my surname. I had a German say this to me once, and I said "yes well I would be Polish but in 1939 we were invaded by a foreign power, so my Granddad had to escape the occupation, and went to the only possible country, England". They didn't reply. But, for me, I consider myself British and not European. But this does not at all mean I think we are better than any other country. I just think that we, are an Island nation so it just makes us feel a little, separated from the rest.

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

My grandfather served with a squadron of Polish volunteers (309 Squadron). They were men who had managed to get out of Poland and make it to the UK, where they asked to be allowed to help defeat Hitler. Grandad said they were the bravest men he ever met, and the most skilled pilots. He said we would have lost without their courage.

@hoobymarburg167

6 жыл бұрын

Every national identity is a cultural construct, it was invented without you being asked. Very often it is nothing but a silly illusion. Can`t the two of you come up with something positive, instead you have to use a terrible war 3 generations ago to construct a national identity? To turn this cheap construction around, does it mean without that disgusting Adolf you would`t have an identity at all? ;-D

@reellezahl

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe I’m missing something here, but how do you derive from the insult ‘You, are Polish, stop trying to be English’, the thought that someone was calling you European not English? Btw. other ethnicities in Germany get the same treatment: _Woher kommst du?_ Ich wurde hier geboren und bin hier aufgewachsen. _Ach so, aber woher kommen deine Eltern?_ Polen. _Ach so, dann bist du also polnisch._ Ja, das ist meine Herkunft, ich bin aber deutsch. Would such a person then say, I’m German, not European, in order to deflect against people saying that he be Polish and not German? Or if a French couple moved to Denmark, and their kid is born there and grows up there completely, it might say it’s Danish and not French, but does that exclude it from being European? I don’t get your logic.

@Richdbiskit

6 жыл бұрын

From 02:07 Lia tells us that she is Greek / Cypriot and that people keep saying she is Greek, but she feels she is British, that's how my comment relates to this video.

@wrestling46nerd

4 жыл бұрын

Well said.

The British Isles are part of Europe. Each country has it own flavour to add to it. Is France in Europe? But France is French just ask them.

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

No we aren't. We are off the coast of Europe.

@jamesallen8838

6 жыл бұрын

Steeleperfect Geologically speaking you are regardless of being an Island. Population wise The British Isles have been occupied by almost everyone, each leaving a bit of their seed. Be interesting to see a large genetic study by ethnicity, I’ll start looking around. Another few thousand years and we’ll all be about the same mix.

Your main point is: our culture is diffrent from Geek cutlure and we don't feel alike other european countries so we are not European. I get the desision has been made, but this is not very subttle. I'm French, so technically in between northern and southern Europe. And I feel cultural diffrencies in Spain, Italy, UK, Irland, Netherlands, Germany and Croatia (It's all the countries I've been to). Of course we're all different, each of us has its specific identity. But we have a residual european identity that we can choose to embrace or not. On top of that, and that's very imortant, let's not forget that identity is not inate, it is someting that is built. Britain has a habit of saying they do not really belong to Europe, their European identity was never built, no discourse gave is any reallity so how can they identify to Europe, no matter how different their culture might be !

Specially that English language is widely spoken outside U.K. so people don’t really view English as an european language

@jackmellor5536

4 ай бұрын

French and Spanish are widely spoken outside France and Spain. It doesn't mean they're not European languages.

I literally feel so ashamed of those people who judge other people or try to label others😡......by the way love you both❤

@ChristianrnstrupRasmussen

6 жыл бұрын

Sapa Mushtaq Ahmed you label yourself right?

@eye_of_pluto

5 жыл бұрын

@That Person that's still a label.

I totally agree with most of what was said in the video. As a French guy who just moved in London I feel like British people are so proud of their culture and are so much patriotic compared to the culture I come from. To be honest I don't see why it should be perceived as a bad thing, I mean it's so cool to have such a different and strong culture not far away from us. And I don't get why you would have to identify as Europeans more than British. Also i think the education has a lot to do with that as well.

@BlunderCity

6 жыл бұрын

_"I feel like British people are so proud of their culture and are so much patriotic compared to the culture I come from. To be honest I don't see why it should be perceived as a bad thing"_ First of all, that's not true, there is a strong nationalist undercurrent on France. Second, it's a bad thing because drives a wedge between the national community and those outside. Patriotism/nationalism is a tool introduced by the elites of the 19th century so they could mobilise armies easily. Just like religion, it's indoctrination. Nationalism and religion are the most powerful instruments of control ever invented. But neither of those philosophies stand up to scientific and historical scrutiny.

@Neiyk00

6 жыл бұрын

BlunderCity lol I hate it when people just go too far on their argumentation starting with a meaningless explanation "first of all that's not true." I'm a native French I think I known what I'm talking about thank you. For brittish : I am also speaking by experience I don't know about you but the fact that they are proud of their historical culture doesn't mean they are rejecting other culture...

@BlunderCity

6 жыл бұрын

Well I'm a Frenchman and I have spent nearly 20 years in the UK and several years in other countries. So questioning my credentials is not really gonna get you anywhere. You have not addressed any of the points I outlined. You are attacking the character of the person, not the nature of the argument. Fail!

@Neiyk00

6 жыл бұрын

BlunderCity you could say whatever you want anyway as an anonymous random internet person... you don't get any credit from that I'm afraid. I won't argue more maybe we just had different experiences which is totally possible as well. Yet my opinion is that being proud of your culture doesn't necessarily mean you are against every other ones. That's all, dunno why you tried to bring all your science in such a simple point of view.

@thundertick5666

6 жыл бұрын

Myself, I quite liked the fact that he brought knowledge to the table rather just simple opinion. Re 'pride': there are different ways of having 'pride in one's culture'. Scottish and Welsh nationalism, for instance, tends to be inclusive rather than exclusive; open to different cultures rather than hateful of them. The most strongly nationalistic of English nationalists I've come across claim to love English culture ... without actually having learned more than a smattering about it. How, for instance, can one claim to be proud of one's culture but never to have bothered to learn its language beyond junior school level? Your own English, for instance, is much better than that of most English nationalists I've met, as is that of e.g. BlunderCity and Jaime Martín Barrasús elsewhere on this thread.

I applaud you both for taking on a very complex subject. I was fascinating. As for my self I'm an American, with deep British ties. My sister did a family tree going all the way back to Marc Anthony . One of the things I get a kick out of is that I can blame Richard III for my scoliosis, and Henry VIII for the gout!

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

Haha thank you! 😂😂

@remhenshaw4313

6 жыл бұрын

Jim Willoughby holy hell that's a long time 😱😱😱

As a Canadian, I have never looked at British, Scottish or Irish citizens as Europeans. Loved the video and the points you made.

@williamolsen8464

6 жыл бұрын

But we're European...

@reellezahl

6 жыл бұрын

+Richard that’s hilarious, especially as racists in your continent (North America) often appeal to being European. If North America is far away from Europe, and Britain is literally geographically part of Europe (just as much as all parts of Scandinavian and Ireland are), and you call yourselves European ethnically, what the hell does that make us?! Our history is centuries of Island folk being taken over by Romans, Anglo Saxons, Scandinavians and French. We are a melting pot of European identities in the conception of our structure, culture and language. We are in Europe and we are European. There are multiple European identities and this experience of Europe is unique in all parts of our continent. The Scandinavian, Germanic, French, Baltic, Eastern, etc. experience are all just as unique as the British one, but remain European, just as Britain does.

@jonpetter8921

6 жыл бұрын

@ Richard British, Irish ans scottish are as european as it can be. They want to believe that they don t feel european but they are. 2000 years tie with europe. They are european both culturally, historically, geographically and genetically. Politicians can say what they want, twist or whatever but those countries you mentioned are as europeans as it can be. Always and they know that deep in their heart even if they say i don t feel european.

@pepiluci75

5 жыл бұрын

@wild one then you should withdrawn from the European championship or from Eurovision 😛

@bulgiriri

4 жыл бұрын

I live in Canada Montreal and for me when I decide to do a trip to Europe I count UK to my trip.

I'm Dutch but feel not European at all! We think that the majority of the continent-countries don't feel European but that the Brits think like we are. My county The Netherlands is small but so different than the neighbours Belgium and Germany, in language, cultural, education etc. It is the same as you feel about being British and that is why I love your country with the typical traditions etc.

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

We don't think you are European, which is why we hope you will soon leave the EU as well.

@henningbartels6245

6 жыл бұрын

from a broader, global point of view the Netherlands are so so similar to Belgium and Germany.

@OzPozzy278

6 ай бұрын

Who you kidding, Netherlands are european as they come

Go the anglosphere! We have a similar issue here with people saying Australia is part of Asia - we don’t identify at all as Asian and have far more in common with the other anglosphere countries such as UK, Canada and NZ.

@arthurvanrodds2772

6 жыл бұрын

I think you meant Oceania

@JustinThomas7

6 жыл бұрын

Arthur Van Rodds nope, I meant what I said. Oceania is not a continent (Australia is) just a grouping of the continent of Australia with other islands not geographically associated (In fact New Zealand is technically it’s own continent). I’m referring the political push to group Australia with Asia, such as wanting us to join ASEAN. In any case we don’t really have much in common with oceanic countries either - apart from New Zealand.

@kentix417

6 жыл бұрын

Truly, there's no such thing as a continent in an objective sense. It's a man-made construct and different people have different ideas and different criteria when it comes to defining continents. What's real is that geologic processes have left the world in its current condition where there are globs of land of various sizes here and there. In our attempt to organize things in our mind and better understand the world we created the concept of continents. But what they mean varies from person to person and model to model. Be skeptical when someone tells you what a continent is, and what is and what isn't a continent. It's all subjective. There is no set definition based on 100% objective evidence. It's more a matter of consensus (and that can change and vary from place to place).

@Adaadam1996

6 жыл бұрын

Australia is not actually a part of Asia in the way the the UK is actually part of Europe. Also, the main population centres of Melbourne and Sydney are so far from Asia that it's really absurd to call it Asia. Whereas the distance between London and Paris is literally less than the distance from Melbourne to the NSW border.

@melvinbeck5047

6 жыл бұрын

Kentix . This is such a stupid comment. I do not know where to begin: your whole comment was completely unnecessary. It has nothing to do with continents or your definition of a continent. In fact, Australia is in Asia and we refer to Australia as an asian country because, guess where it is: in Asia among the aboriginals.

I'm across the pond. I enjoyed this video and it was very interesting. I fear though, from reading just a few comments, you may have opened up a can of worms. I thought it was just in our country, but apparently not. As soon as someone doesn't agree with you, there starts the foul language and name calling and personal attacks. How about another topic ~ oh let's say " The Art of Civility in Discussions" perhaps??. I love what you both do and I think you're sweet! Thank you for sharing. Enjoy your day. xo

Seriously it's getting very difficult to concentrate! Sorry Lia you're cute but Joel is 🔥🔥!!♥️♥️♥️

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

hahahaha 😘

Being a Taiwanese, I can completely understand how you feel.

although we are classed as european at the moment, i do find it odd how some people who tour musically worldwide, they always categorise certain tour dates e.g. american leg, and when it comes to the uk & ireland dates, they’re always sectioned off from europe. does that make sense?? so like “the european leg of the tour is done, off to uk & ireland.

@plasticsoup1583

6 жыл бұрын

I always wondered why that is, it makes so little sense.

@pyeltd.5457

4 жыл бұрын

You see it on big lorry's. They mean Ireland. Britian and then Mainland Europe. But all 3 means Europe.

I would never call myself European except in reference to my continent of origin. I am British, and English. I have very little in common with other 'Europeans' (who are probably also best referred to as belonging to their respective nations as opposed to their continent, for practical reasons), and I don't really feel I have a common cultural bond with most of the other countries situated on the European continent, except at the most general level (democracy, human rights and so forth). For those inhabitants of continental Europe who feel we Brits are 'snobbish' for saying that we're culturally different fro Europe, I'd just like to explain why we do it. It's not because we're enormously different to other European countries, although there are significant differences between each of the nations. It's more because we have a lot more in common with other English-speaking countries, especially Canada, Australia and New Zealand, but also the USA and others. That's what we mean by 'culturally different', because the difference between Britain and continental Europe is relatively bigger compared to the difference between Britain and the rest of the Anglosphere.

@aaronbooker835

6 жыл бұрын

Jack Tanton Yes finally! I completely agree with this

@norsk2910

6 жыл бұрын

I'm curious, could you tell me those differences you are talking about? What do you think that makes you english so so so different from continental europeans?

@aelbion1453

6 жыл бұрын

Jaime Martín Barrasús Language, politics, little history of violent revolution (and we reversed the major one), currency, island mentality, and our status as the 'Mother of Parliaments'. There are others. There are loads of similarities, though. The main reason is that we feel different is because we're more similar to other English-speaking countries. This makes continental Europe seem relatively more different to us.

@aelbion1453

6 жыл бұрын

Firstly, I don't much care for your tone. Please remain civil. I shall deal with your arguments one at a time: (1) Language. It's not because we speak a language different from other European countries - as you rightly say, most European countries have their own language. It's more to do with the fact that *there are lots of other Anglophone nations outside of Europe.* We relate more closely to them linguistically, which creates a sense of 'difference' from Europe. (2) Violent revolution. I said _little,_ not _none._ Oliver Cromwell is one of very few examples when looked at relative to the internal history of many other European countries. This is why the British political system has survived at a pace of slow, organic reform for many years whilst our continental neighbours have seen rapid (and often damaging) political change. *This, again, creates a sense of difference.* (3) Politics. We are generally to the right of most other Western European countries, again due to our organic institutions and cultural relationship with the US in particular. *We favour organic change, continuity, precedence and social order.* Contrast this with France, for instance, which is currently experiencing large, damaging strikes in response to reform attempts by Macron. (4) Mother of Parliaments. Well, Britain did create the Westminster Parliamentary system, upon which many Parliaments around still rely (e.g. Canada and Australia). *This was the first example of a true parliamentary system which invested power in the legislature rather than the executive* (i.e. King). Other parliamentary systems were in part inspired by this example. Which is not to say that the UK Parliament is in any way superior (there are many drawbacks), merely to accept its important historical role. I hope we can have a civilised discussion rather than a petty squabble.

@norsk2910

6 жыл бұрын

1. Spain, France and Portugal have their languages spread all over the world as you english do, that doesn't mean anything; they still feel european. By the way, Americans have nothing to do with British, your culture is absolutely different. 2. Skandinavian countries have never had a "violent revolution" and they still feel European. Your argument is invalid. 3. I don't think you're different from other european countries with your politics. Your right and left political parties are not that different. By the way, do you remember Margaret Thatcher? social order? Are you serious? You compare England to France, there are another 26 countries in the EU. 4. I didn't deny your history, but nobody think: "oh we created the first parliament, we're so different...". Our conversation will remain civilised as long as you don't show ignorance. How many languages do you speak? I'm curious.

I'm an American, but I did spend part of my childhood in England, and I've never considered it to be part of Europe. I think the simple fact that it IS geographically removed from the Continent makes it easy to dissociate the two. Plus, I wonder if these feelings originate from Britain, for much of its history, being in conflicts with a variety of European nations, and then in slightly more recent times, the British Empire being such a large entity unto itself for so many years.

@MMaheshThakur

3 жыл бұрын

since when u became American. all American are European only.

@dsayan

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. I mean, Singapore, Malasya, Japan are island, so it's easy to dissociate them from Asia...

@KarrieDreammind5

2 жыл бұрын

But how does the geographical argument apply to Ireland and Iceland..? 🤔

@estrella07692

Жыл бұрын

No, the simple fact here is lack of education and ignorance. Cyprus, Malta and Iceland are islands too, yet they are geographically in Europe. Europe is a continent, the term “European” is not a societal identity! Following your logic - is Japan not in Asia then? Is Madagascar not Africa then? Regarding the culture - every single country in Europe has its own culture, very different to one another. I don’t see any Italians thinking they are not in Europe because of their huge Roman ancient civilisation and heritage, same applies to the ancient Greeks. Regarding colonisation- Portugal, Spain, Netherlands and France were also colonising lands all over the world. England took over a lot of lands that were first colonised by Spain. I don’t see them saying they are not in Europe? Regarding the war - you have clearly no idea about what was happening during wars in other countries. You are honestly not that special in this case, you are making fool of yourselves in other people’s eyes big time every time you say UK is not Europe.

Absolutely amazing :-) well done. And you've done that video with a lot of respect for the sensitive people :-)

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jonathan! (And there sure are a lot of them in the comments!!)

Hi, I would like to ask you something, I'd appreciate it if you could help me, how is this sentiment about Brits not identifying themselves as Europeans manifested in the religious area? Do you know where can I find more info about that or any comment, suggestion or insight that would help me a lot to understand and get my essay done! Thanks a lot!

When I lived in England, my British friends thought it was odd that I identified as Italian-American. They said you’re not Italian, just American

@colejones6312

3 жыл бұрын

If you’re born in America, you’re American nothing else. I see so many Americans trying to claim identities from countries they don’t come from, particularly Ireland.

@alisharahman2709

3 жыл бұрын

@@colejones6312 nationality is a different to ethnicity and race. culture and background isn't just about where you were born.

@alisharahman2709

3 жыл бұрын

@@colejones6312 you can't tell me, a bengali with parents born in bangladesh, that I'm only British because I've born and raised here. No doubt, when we're visually different people like you are quick to point out that we're brown, asian, black, african and all that. What makes this different to a white person who's italian, spanish, french? These people all have different cultures, backgrounds and ways of life. Navigating our lives between cultures and identities is difficult enough without you lot telling us how to identify.

I'm Belgian and I have no problem reconciling my multiple identities: French, Flemish, Belgian and European. These different identities don't impede each other. The problem is that the English language and the Anglo/Saxon culture is so dominant in the world that many British and US people don't bother reaching out to other cultures and learn other languages. For instance, ask a British person to name a French movie or a French singer and you are lucky if they can even name one.

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

I could name a lot of Italian and Spanish films and singers and I suspect most people know three or four French singers. I speak several languages and probably know more about your culture than you do about mine. If Europeans were less arrogant and bigoted, we might want to join in.

@andybliss5965

6 жыл бұрын

On the other hand how many non European languages can you speak Fred? Europeans only learn each others languages( which happen to be vey similar) and cultures, they know nothing about the world outside Europe. I'm really sick of the Anglophobic crap I read from some Europeans post brexit, makes me regret voting remain.

@fredhuybens2783

6 жыл бұрын

I speak 4 languages fluently (and no Dutch is not similar to Portuguese for instance), I lived 2,5 years in Brazil and I travelled in many places outside Europe. I have close family in the UK, the US, Australia and other countries. My point is that everybody around the world watches Downton Abbey, Games of Thrones, Mad Men etc... right? That's fine and all those series are terrific. But how many non English speaking series do UK and US people watch? Very few. It's just a fact that the English/American culture is dominant in the world and this is the point I tried to make and sorry for my direct language. I am not Anglophobic on the contrary (my daughter studies in London, I watch the BBC all the time, I went very often to the UK...) but of course I'm very disappointed by Brexit.

@vintagestars2719

3 жыл бұрын

I agree im English and I just want the government to get involved or build better relationships with other European countries especially France Belgium or the Netherlands because they are our neighbours and I want schools to push learning languages

When you said you were told “your British” I thought that I had the same thing in Poland. No one told me I was European, they said I was Polish. I completely agree with you saying it’s just a political thing and to me being European means that I can travel to any Europe country I want having just my passport. I think we can feel connected with some countries bc we made history together (Battle of Britain was my first thought lol) but except for that we don’t have many things in common tbh

@ragnarlthbrksigurdssn2617

3 жыл бұрын

We don't have many things in common? What the hell it means we are europeans we are the best i am first european then i am italian and british!!

You guys are really good at this "partner channel" dynamic. Love the content, keep it up thanks! Much love from the States!!

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Patrick!

I'll be in the UK in a few months, I want to give my British relatives some presents from America, what do British people like as presents from America, do you know?

Oh boy! You guys obviously opened up a giant can of worms for your followers 😬 I think you guys are very brave to come on this platform and say what you think. Good for you❤️ Everyone just get your comments out there and be done with it. Joel and Lia both came from a respectful place not of hate or judgment. Any of their true followers know this and know their personalities by now.

You can feel whatever you want to feel. It makes me kinda sad if you two identify as British instead of European, but so be it. However, it's utter bollocks that Britain is "sooooo different" culturally from mainland Europe. Seriously, I used to live in Ireland, Britain and Germany and at the end of the day they're all kinda similar. Britian isn't really that different it's just that Brits sorta feel entitled and "special"

@tacosmexicanstyle7846

6 жыл бұрын

None Ofyourbusiness I'm not sure that's the way I'd interpret "soooo different." The way I heard it, joel&lia feel like the UK fits in better with nations outside of Europe than those inside. This would be largely to do with the cultural similarities between UK and US--and we don't think of the US as being very European. Personally I feel as though the remaining 27 EU members have at least one or two countries with which they feel similar in culture, whereas the UK would feel closer to Canada or America or Australia rather than with Ireland or Germany. That's how I interpret it anyway

@noneofyourbusiness2328

6 жыл бұрын

tacos mexicanstyle It doesn't really make sense if you think about it, does it though? The US is incredibly conservative in most parts, has no sufficient gun laws, no free health care and so on. The UK is almost the complete opposite. Ireland, Germany and the UK on the other hand are pretty similar. I don't like to admit it, since Ireland is an incredibly beautiful and unique country, but culture-wise they are sooo bloody close to Britain: they drive on the left side of the road, eat biscuits and drink tea in the afternoon, have high taxes on alcohol, eat British stuff in general like baked beans and black pudding... hell, they even watch the same TV stations like Channel 4

@noneofyourbusiness2328

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah... I don't know, mate. What about Ireland or Iceland then? They're way more committed to the whole European identity thing.

@tacosmexicanstyle7846

6 жыл бұрын

+None Ofyourbusiness You've only chosen to address the cultural differences with America rather than any other countries within the anglosphere -- I picked America specifically because it is a cultural media giant which often encroaches on the UK more so than France for example. By virtue of previously holding large influence throughout the British Empire, I don't see the UK as being more attached to Europe culturally than to the international community. I see more similarities with countries outside of Europe than those within, is my point.

@noneofyourbusiness2328

6 жыл бұрын

I don't get your point to be honest. What are the big differences between Ireland and the UK? Or between the UK and Germany? The UK and France?

How do you feel about Americans that identify as Irish even though their families have been here for generations?

I personally feel living in Scotland, Scots definitely genuinely feel European, it may be more in England that feels less European

@angusboyd468

3 жыл бұрын

@Gerrard Gerrard yeah I'm half English and all my English side of the family voted to stay in the EU and feel very European, its just I've never met anyone up here who doesn't really feel European and growing up I always thought UK was as European country as France or Germany so I'm just surprised this kind of exists so was thinking maybe its something more down south were a lot of people voted for Brexit

Perhaps it's due to pride in my English roots,but the UK(particularly England) is by far my favorite European country!

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

Don't call it that, please. It is off the coast of Europe. Seriously, if you want a Brit to despise you, call them European.

@natebarrett9506

6 жыл бұрын

Steeleperfect Correct me if I'm wrong,but i was under the impression it's geographically a part of Europe? I get the CULTURAL differences...I didn't/don't intend to offend anyone. I'm only a person on the outside looking in.

@williamolsen8464

6 жыл бұрын

Britain is in Europe lol it's like saying Japan isn't an Asian country cos it's an Island

@pyeltd.5457

4 жыл бұрын

Steeleperfect I got offened that you said we are not European

Does anybody particularly label themselves as European? I'm British, and feel very different to others in Europe, but equally I assume that's how most people in other European nations feel too? Its many different nations.

@anaismougin5207

6 жыл бұрын

I fully agree with you : I'm French first, then I feel a bit European too (probably because I was born after the whole process of 'making' the EU). In France we receive quite a strong education on the EU institutions, as a student I will be part of the Erasmus program next year, I travelled some countries in Europe very easily because of the Schengen area and the Euro currency. BUT France is so much different than Germany, or Spain, or Sweden etc ... I understand what Joel and Lia wanted to say about feeling very different from the other European country, but the UK's history and culture still is closely intricate with the common European culture and history. Our differences are what makes us and Europe such a unique 'thing'

I'm writing an under grad thesis on celtic self identification, is it alright if i quote you both in my paper?

Do you think having a multi cultural city like London that they will undoubtedly be more remainers?

I have NEVER considered myself European, and NEVER will. First and foremost I'm a proud Scotsman, but at the same time I'm also proud to be British.

@michaelhastie9729

4 жыл бұрын

@Pazusky If you are British born, then you are NOT European.

Us kiwi's get told we are European all the time....There's not even an option for voting or the census. We are supposedly New Zealand Europeans.... But on the other hand, throughout your history the idea of Britishness has been quite a important political ideal. But i would say us kiwi's wouldn't see you as anything other than British.

So, do mainland Europeans tend to identify more as European than Spanish or Slovakian or Danish or whatever? Or is it that the other countries are referred to as European so that the word European just feels foreign? I'm not European or British so I'm just trying to work it out in my head so I understand better.

I mean as a Polish person I also never was taught in school “you’re European! “ or anything like that , and what is even an European culture, Poland is different than the Czech Republic and Spain and we all have different currency, but I do still think about myself as a European with it’s history that by sharing this piece of land we consequently share in a way. EU isn’t even about that, it’s about making it easier for as to cooperate

Don't know why people have to be so negative & leave negative comments, ....it's all a matter of perspective. We in the U.S. might think of the U.K. as part of Europe, but plainly the Brits do not think they are part of Europe. It has nothing to do with "arrogance" it is simple perspective. The Brits are seperated from the European continent by the English channel.And by culture.

@SILVERCLOUD141

6 жыл бұрын

Cynthia X Well said you get it of course we are European. But maybe because we’re our own island we feel separate and even when we talk about Europe we talk about it as we’re separate.

@cynthiax56

6 жыл бұрын

"SILVERCLOUD".....nice Native American name (just kidding) :D

@pyeltd.5457

4 жыл бұрын

We are not separated by culture. Foot ball is huge in Ireland, UK, France and Germany. And more.

I’m very surprised. I’m portuguese and I never heard about that point of view. I think the main difference is the definition of Europe. Europe for me and Wikipedia is a geographic term. Islands are frequently grouped with a neighbouring continent. There are some exceptions based on sociopolitical and cultural differences, like Cyprus, but I think that is not the case of the UK as for me there is no other continent nearby neither other more similar with you than Europe. European Union, Euro and Schengen Area are political and economic entities. You can say that you don’t agree or identify yourself with the principles and policies of those groups but this is a different thing. There are a lot of countries that don’t belong to that groups but they still believe they belong to the continent Europe. This could have been an interesting discussion if you had made the distinction of all this concepts. But because you talked as it was all the same thing, it just looked like you were uninformed, which is a pity. I read in Wikipedia that in British English “Europe” could specifically refer to Continental Europe. So you could just have said it has a different definition in your language and that other islands countries, like Iceland, Malta and Cyprus, don’t belong to Europe too (and I suppose, to any continent). People would think this is an interesting definition instead of thinking you are ignorant. I would like to watch another video about your opinion with the concepts well defined.

so i am a brit born in the uk but i live in belgium i am now currently 17 years of age and am strugling if i shoud change my nationality or not because i am so damn proud of my herratige and do not want to give that up but when te brexit officially takes place there could be issues and i am wondering if you have any advice secerily Holly

Will you guys make two videos about a day in the life of Joel and a day in the life of Lia?

Also Germans are and feel different from Italians or from Russians, so what are you talking about?? Total nonsense...

@hollykearney4115

6 жыл бұрын

sweetvale tropicofpisces I think they might mean that because Britain is separate to the rest of Europe (geographically) it feels like we are less connected to the other European countries and because quite a lot of Europe doesn’t like Britain we feel separated

@secondoarteescienza1522

6 жыл бұрын

Holly K more or less like Sardinians who don't feel Italian... But they are!!

@anderzonmanrique6200

6 жыл бұрын

sweetvale tropicofpisces Yes it isss! Hahaha

@BlunderCity

6 жыл бұрын

@flip inheck The majority of the population of Russia is in European Russia (west of the Ural mountains) and the country played a major role in the history of Europe. Before the 20th century, it was considered a pure European country. And the conquest of Siberia is a relatively recent event in the great scheme of things.

@BlunderCity

6 жыл бұрын

@flip inheck Err... no. Ignorant fail here. 110 million out of 140 million Russians live in Europe, that's more than 3/4 of the country. The size of the land is irrelevant to a discussion about culture. It's the size of the population that matters.

This is such an interesting topic! I am not sure if this is the same in any other region but if you asked somebody from Newcastle where they are from they would say Newcastle first. Then I would say I was from the UK, I would never say that I am from Europe. Obviously I do know we are in Europe, but I would never say I was from Europe and I am still unsure why but you did raise a lot of interesting points. I asked my dad the same question, he said Newcastle first and then said England second rather than the UK and he agreed he would never say he is from Europe. Interesting about the UK/ England difference - maybe a generational thing?

@inesdesousamartins9748

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, in Portugal we do the same. If you asked somebody from Lisbon where they are from, they would say Lisbon or Portugal, depending if they are in or outside of Portugal. I would never say I'm from Europe or north hemisfere, unless I'm describing the geography of my country. I also would never say I'm travelling to Europe/Asia neither European/Asians are like something. If I was going to travel to a lot of countries in different regions of Europe, I would say "I'm going to do a travel in Europe/visit a lot of countries in Europe". That's why I don't understand the opinion of Joel and Lia, for me Europe is only a geographic concept. They have talked about culture, but they didn't specify what British culture have/don't have that all the Europeans have in common. I don't want to be mean, I just want to understand their point of view.

@henningbartels6245

6 жыл бұрын

Laura Hughes, I (being a German) also would never say: I am from Europe. Just for a simple reason: Nobody is interested in such a statement, because most of the time it's obvious. When I travel across Europe (what I mostly do) it would sound silly - like a statement: I am from planet Earth. If people ask you: where are you from - they want to start a conversation and like to get a detailed information which they can connect to - like "Northern France" or "Berlin". I believe with an answer: I am from Europe. it's more likely to kill the conversation, because the other has the feeling by saying the obvious you are not interested in talking. Nevertheless, I regard the traditions, the culture, the surroundings I grew up in as clearly European.

@sv-bd5em

6 жыл бұрын

Nobody on the continent replies they're from Europe when asked where they're from why do Brit think they're the only people doing so jfc

I've always thought of Europe as a continent encompassing all of these different countries. When they go to the Olympics they all represent separately. Each being so proud of their own heritage and history. What the hell is the difference what they call themselves.

Do the French or German’s identify as more European or French/German?

The UK is leaving the EU, not Europe. Unless the UK suddenly floats away, we've been a European nation for thousands of years. People really need to understand the difference between a political union and a geographical continent. Many people say the UK is different to other European nations but isn't that true. Every single European nation is different from language to historical architecture. I suppose Europeans may claim the UK isn't part of Europe due to our language being international and are ties with nations such as America, Australia, Canada, etc. Well, sorry UK haters, but the Uk has always been part of the European continent and you're going to need to make us float away to get rid of us.

@etherealhawk

4 жыл бұрын

You're insane. That's like saying Arabs need to hug Indians, Chinese and Japanese because they're all "Asian" and therefore the same? Your hypocrisy is so overblown it's staggering.

@Thomas-te4cf

4 жыл бұрын

@@etherealhawk You are like a broken record

I voted remain but wouldn't say I feel European.

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

Same as us!

@pyeltd.5457

4 жыл бұрын

Jack Mellor same as us

Question for you guys.... Does Hyacenth Bucket live within walking distance or an Uber ride to your homes?

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

hahaha omg! Would love it if she did

I have a question for you. I have read a lot that young people of the upper class in Britain do a European trip to "see the world" before they settle down to their life of adult responsibility. 1. Is that true? 2. If true, do young people still do that?

Fantastic video, as usual. There's no denying the fact that you Brits are different, but so are Spaniards, aren't they. We are all different from one another in Europe, I mean, countries, you know, but it is true that over the centuries the British people have always tried to make crystal clear they are different, they are British, not European and , to some extent, it is true. Whether Brexit goes ahead or not, I will always have a love of British culture, it appeals to me no matter what. Congrats for the video, guys, longing for the next one. Bye....

I can relate to 1:41 because my country, Japan, is also an island and although we are culturally influenced by one another, we do feel different from other Asian countries. It may be the same for other Asian countries as well. Thanks for covering this topic :D

@reellezahl

6 жыл бұрын

but literally every Asian country would feel just unique compared to the rest of your continent, as you do. Let X be the set of countries belonging to a continent, then the distinction between x and X\{x} is going to be in general the same as the distinction between x' and X\{x'}. Ie. no generic x in X is unique in the property of feeling distinct!! No Swede confuses himself with a French person.

@risakoiscoolwithm

6 жыл бұрын

reelle Zahl Calm down. As Joel had said, I was talking about how we feel apart geography-wise. I didn't say anything about other countries not feeling unique enough.

@sherkjlsjdf6334

5 жыл бұрын

that's different case,no asian countries want to unite with japan,but many european countries want to unite with uk

@sherkjlsjdf6334

5 жыл бұрын

no one want to group with japan in asia,donot be so narcissistic

@garycamara9955

Жыл бұрын

Japan is actually several islands.

My mom went on vacation to England when I was young and when she got back people kept asking her how her European vacation was. She would always correct them and say that it's not really considered Europe. So I grew up in America (California) thinking they were always separate. When I finally visited the UK about 14 years ago, I also remember the distinction. Same when I went a couple years ago as well.

This reminds of this time, I was talking to a co-worker about an attractive guy, and I described him as "European." My coworker couldn't grasp the concept that being European was different than being British. I'm a black American, my ancestry is African, but also French, even though I'm American I was raised and taught that being British, and European are different. So I never I understood why people called, or thought Brits were European.

Nine and half minutes long, you say repeatedly that you are not "culturally European" but you never say once what that means.

@trance212

4 жыл бұрын

Nancy2752 they mean continental European.

I never understood why people are proud of where they are born. It's not something you can control, so why would you be proud of it? Take pride in accomplishments, not things which you cannot control.

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

Very wise words!

@billtruttschel

6 жыл бұрын

I think you misunderstood. My comment was directed at Lia...at 5:30 she says she's proud of being born in Britain. That, to me, is not something to be proud of. You can be proud of your country and what it does, but to be proud of where you were born is like being proud of your looks...you can't control it and therefore shouldn't take pride in it.

I’ve never heard of Brexit, so thanks for teaching me something!

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!

Would you say ‘fresh off the boat’ for Brits arriving in Greece?

Interesting video 🤗 I hope I could study in the UK despite the Brexit 😌

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

All visitors and immigrants very welcome.

@barrystantongb6759

6 жыл бұрын

Steeleperfect lol fuck off immigrants OUT!!🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

@hoobymarburg167

6 жыл бұрын

Brexit UK in a nut shell ;-D

Are there any videos where Lia doesn't mention she's greek? xxx

so, how do you feel about Brexit?

Was watching Britains benefit tenants, what is the TV that they put pound coins in? They called it benefit television. Any ideas

300.000 Brits living in Spain. I mean, living no just holidays. From them 100.000 in my community Valencia. And 2.000.000 living in Europe. Do you think they are not going to be affected from brexit ? "The ONS research confirms that Spain is home to the largest number of British citizens in the EU, at 308,805. A third of them - 101,045 - are aged 65 or over." Do you think they are going to be affected? Nobody wins in disunity. It's a" lose-lose" situation.

@BlunderCity

6 жыл бұрын

Well there has been a deal between the UK and the EU and if everything goes well, it will be implemented (things will only become permanent when the whole agreement is signed in early 2019.) So Brits living in the rest of the EU will be allowed to remain (and the same goes for EU citizens in the UK). Having said that, it's a rotten deal for UK citizens. Sure, they can stay where they live but they lose their rights to freedom of movement. If you're a Brit living in France and you wanna move to Germany, tough luck, the agreement states that you only have an automatic right to stay in France. Brexit has significantly degraded the rights of UK citizens: EU citizens can live and work anywhere in the EU but UK citizens can only live and work in the one EU country where they are. UK citizens now have less rights than EU citizens.

Ignore the haters you guys! They clearly don't "get it.." Thanks for this insightful video! 47,000 subs and STILL growing ! Job well done you two!

So what does the UK actually gain and/or lose, by not being part of the EU?

I really appreciated this discussion. I'm American and I've never heard about this argument. I think since America is so far removed from the entire European continent, we don't hear about the British vs. European identity issue.

Im British and i identify as European

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

How? It's literally a different continent.

@c_LawAttorny

6 жыл бұрын

Steeleperfect your fuckin dumb

@thundertick5666

6 жыл бұрын

Really? Which continent are we in if we're not in Europe?

@GobsAlmightyVlogs

6 жыл бұрын

Steeleperfect are you thick? 😂

@henningbartels6245

6 жыл бұрын

"a different continent"? Which continent? Atlantis ?! ;-) Steeleperfect is really a troll - writing the same stuff under each comment.

As an American, I honestly think of the U.K. as "European." I don't know why.

@nicolaa.4026

6 жыл бұрын

And so does pretty much everyone else in the world. So, don't worry.

@nathansalmon3229

6 жыл бұрын

Dont like being associated with them

@PhilBender612

6 жыл бұрын

DJRICKYDEEUK Thank you that's a compliment for us Americans

@NetiNeti-gm5bz

6 жыл бұрын

UK is exceptionally prim and proper, stiff upper lip, different levels of politeness(decent people are extraordinarily polite - see David Attenborough), arrogance etc from other European countries. We will never be as humble as Scandinavians and never be as loud and rude as other European countries. We have v distinct culture from the Euro. Hope this sheds some light

@stevelawson7595

6 жыл бұрын

philip bender on any historical level, some british people have always had suspicions and mixed feelings about europe. Or feel about being european. It's just not 100% thing. It has been like that for a very long time. And now it has shown itself through brexit.

Interesting but it's not just us. When I worked in France but right on the Spainish border, I knew several Spainsh friends and when they were on the French side they said things like "don't forget that we're in Europe now so we have to remember that they eat early" - In other words anything that wasn't Spain was "Europe".

Being from America. I've always thought of it as a geographical thing. But I could see what you mean. I've never really thought about it because people don't really go around saying to people in the US or Canada "Oh. Your North American." Though, I could see it as how people who are Filipino classify themselves as Pacific Islander, not Asian.

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah definitely!

@selwyngaran573

6 жыл бұрын

Riley Mitchell I'm not sure about what you said that Filipino classify themselves as Pacific Islander and not Asian, beacuse as a Filipino myself, I geographically identify myself as Asian. Actually, I only saw and heard that Filipino classify themselves as Pacific Islander here in KZread who are born in North America. And I never met any Filipino who classify themselves as a Pacific Islander, not Asian, since I moved here in Canada

@sarahl3989

6 жыл бұрын

Selwyn Carl M. Garan I agree, I was born on Guam, but my heritage is filipino and if I wanted to be technical, I don’t call myself Pacific Islander even though I’m from Guam but Asian...Pacific Islanders have origins from polynesia, micronesia and melanesia, it boggles me when other filipinos call themselves Pacific Islander

@techsupport00

6 жыл бұрын

Selwyn Carl M. Garan oh. It might just be where I'm from people say that. I'm from Southern California. And people I know some people that are Filipino and they get annoyed if I call them Asian and then they correct me.

I don’t understand the notion of not feeling like you’re from a continent. I understand you guys feel culturally different, but in no continent are there countries that are exactly identical culturally. In North America, there’re Canada, the US, Mexico, and all the countries in Central America and None of them have the same culture. Culture is so diverse even within the US. I just don’t understand why you don’t feel European simply because you’re different from other European countries

@Steeleperfect

6 жыл бұрын

We are not on the continent of Europe. If you come here, you will immediately understand how separate we are from Europe.

@henningbartels6245

6 жыл бұрын

... or see how close they are from a global point of view. This 30 km of water is tiny from a greater perspective.

Even we have the same thoughts about being North American.

@ThoseTwoBrits1

6 жыл бұрын

I think that's why we always describe US citizens as 'Americans' (which annoys some people), but we would always refer to Canadians as Canadians never Americans. Which I think its nicer as it distinguishes you from them.

@perfectcanadian1054

6 жыл бұрын

Being British: Joel & Lia I feel for the British now

@George-li1yv

6 жыл бұрын

Perfect Canadian If a Canadian moves to the UK they're no longer Canadian. You will now be called American.

@RandomJane104

6 жыл бұрын

It always feels a little ethnocentric to me to call only U.S. citizens Americans, but 'US citizen' is awkward and also USian? USite? I mean what else would you call us? Nothing exactly rolls off the tongue. If anyone asks, I'm a North Carolinian.

@ern1406

6 жыл бұрын

pocketgoth yes! If anyone asks me where I am from it’s always Texas. Lol

I'm from Sweden, and I would say "go down to Europe" - it makes a difference not to be on the "continent"

@annaamericanaccent9184

Жыл бұрын

@@user-jzk I have lived in the US for 3 decades, and I feel European here while I never thought of myself that way while living in Europe. Then a Russian or Greek seemed very different from a Swede bit but here I feel I have much in common with other Europeans compared to Americans

Honestly, I can't really even comment on the subject seeing as I'm American. Either way, I enjoyed the video (as always) and liked to hear your opinions on Brexit. :)