The debate is over and it's been over for quite some time. It is Novak, period.

@blabla-fw9ix

5 ай бұрын

True , but there are many that don't like the guy or are upset that Federer and Nadal have been surpassed by him so they want to use their subjective feelings to argue over numbers . Its funny how they were using numbers when they were ahead but when Novak surpassed them now the numbers are not that important anymore , its the popularity , the pretty backhand , the Spanish bull who never gives up and so on . Regardless of what they say and even tho they will never admit it publicly , in their heart of hearts they know that Novak is the GOAT , they just don't want to admit it .

@charlesgeny3819

5 ай бұрын

Federer and Nadal will have a greatest legacy than Novak though

@gabiangregoric2893

5 ай бұрын

​@@charlesgeny3819what is this legacy you are talking about?

@zvonkosolin8627

4 ай бұрын

There was never a debate to begin with it ended in 2005.

@blabla-fw9ix

4 ай бұрын

@@zvonkosolin8627 Did it now ? Well that tells me all I need to know who your favorite is if you are just going to pretend that Djokovic and Nadal didn't play tennis lol .

There's no debate, Djokovic is the best of all time. And people not recognize that just doesn't like him, that's all.

@dougdavis8986

5 ай бұрын

You know what they say about opinions

Djokovic is the GOAT - Head, and shoulders above the rest, anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional!😂

@blabla-fw9ix

5 ай бұрын

Records are the most important thing in tennis and he owns most of them . I don't think its so much delusion but rather people not wanting to admit that their favorite player is not the GOAT , it is a bitter pill to swallow for them so they will keep making excuses as to why Novak is not the GOAT despite the records being overwhelmingly on his side . But in their heart of hearts they know the truth they just don't want to admit it .

@contasemperfil

4 ай бұрын

true graham

@zvonkosolin8627

4 ай бұрын

​​@@blabla-fw9ix Records are NOT most important thing and they dont make you the greatest but most successfull, because in boxing Vladimir Klitchko would be the G.O.A.T. and he is not.

@blabla-fw9ix

4 ай бұрын

@@zvonkosolin8627 Are you really comparing 2 different sports that function completely differently ? You can skew records in boxing to some degree , you can't really do that in tennis . All the best players come to compete in the biggest tournaments . Novak has most of the records and in tennis that is what makes him the GOAT , most successful as well , best ever too . That is how tennis is viewed . Boxing has more weight divisions and you can often pick who you are going to fight and even duck , there it matters more the quality of your resume than your win/loss score . You can't really do any of that in tennis , there is a draw , you play and you compete and if you have the most important records you will be viewed as the GOAT . Most slams , most ATP Finals , most masters 1000 , most yen1 , weeksn1 , positive h2h against his 2 biggest rivals , won 4 slams in a row , triple career grand slams , double golden masters , highest winning % , highest elo rating , most top 5 and top 10 wins and the list goes on and on . If records in tennis do not determine who the GOAT is then what does ? If you mention Federer or Nadal then you are literally putting in players who have the best records after Novak . Most of the commentators and players now refer to Novak as the GOAT because his records cannot be denied but let me guess you know better right ? So do we choose random players for GOAT then ? What is the criteria for you ?

@zvonkosolin8627

4 ай бұрын

@@blabla-fw9ix That is maybe how you view tennis, my answer to that is... Is Michael Jordan the G.O.A.T?

The GOAT is undoubtedly the amazing irreplaceable NOVAK DJOKOVIC,no further discussion required ,CASE CLOSED

@baloog8

4 ай бұрын

If the criteria is tennis points, then yes, that is the point most people agree on as the sport's purpose. Done end of talk. If it is about potential or soul/passion transmission, the discussion keeps going.

@zvonkosolin8627

4 ай бұрын

​@@baloog8 And its nothing of what you mentioned, its about highest level of play, dominance, skill and global impact, and debate ended in 2005.

@baloog8

4 ай бұрын

@@zvonkosolin8627 are you referring to my 1st or 2nd paragraph? Thank you.

@zvonkosolin8627

4 ай бұрын

@@baloog8 Both.

Novak isn't arrogant. He is confident & had to almost all the time endure arrogant crowd. I admire his mental strength & winning attitude. A complete player, an incredible champion, the best of the best. The greatest player ever❤

They were all great in their time. First Federer, then Nadal and now Djokovic. Just like WTA. Great in their own time. but no one is unbeatable. History has proven that. Yes, excuses on why someone loses but real "Greats" don't need excuses on why they lost.

The goat debate is a subjective thing unless you take only statistics! In all other ways - emotions take over in the answer! But by ststs you dont get the "goat", you get the most resultive tennis player. By stats - Djoco is the best! For me personaly - Federer is the one i admire most, because of his elegance, popularisation he did for the sport (few people have done something similar for their sports - Jordan, Woods, O'Sullivan), the charity he does (funny that in the video Djoco charity was mentioned and Federers wasn't - brings to the thought that the video was done subjective) and the most important the way he changed the game (if not him we wouldnt see the dominance, no such Big 3, no playing till such age from all 3 - he was the one going infront of all Big 3 and they catched him up and overpasted as the result - student got better than the master)! And at the end - give the real answer of Nadal on this question! He backed Federer!!!

Here's everything that needs to be said: Roger Federer is the most talented by far the most gifted tennis player ever, however when push comes to shove about the who the most competitive and therefore the best player ever is, the number speak for themselves, it is novak...

@Aiyangar321

5 ай бұрын

Agree in terms of watching someone play though fed like messi in his prime

Nadal had the most balanced answer. Mathematically Djokovic is the best And as Nadal said mathematics is the only thing that can be measured. My personal favourite is Nadal beacuse of his fighting nature.

Nadal GOAT

Sampras won 14 GS was regarded as the GOAT then Fed won 20 he was now the GOAT then Nadal won 22 he was the GOAT Novak win 24 and there is suddenly a debate? Not only does he have the GS record he has the Number 1 record which Sampras considered a bigger achievement! He also has the better head to head against both Nadal & Fed! He has beaten Nadal at RG in the French on more than one occasion, Fed didn't! And he beaten Fed in 2 Wimbledon finals! Had it not been for the pandemic he would have equalled Fed by now on Wimbledon wins! He wasn't allowed to [play in the US rightfully or wrongfully because he stayed true to his beliefs whether you agree with the Vaccine debate or not! (Incidentally the crazy thing about the covid vaccine which peeps seem to either not know or forget doesn't actually stop you carrying it and spreading it! its just meant to reduce the effect of symptom's if you got it!) Opinions don't get your fav player a trophy! or tile! Nadal is the greatest Clay court player ever! Thats the only difference between Novak & Nadal. The GOAT Tennis player is Novak the facts speak for them selves! I would also like to finish by saying he is probably one of the greatest athletes of any sport!

@Aiyangar321

5 ай бұрын

Federer best tennis player, Novak best athlete ever hence the records but no one played the game like fed, that said nadal last out of the 3 clay merchant 😂

@anielloliguori6312

4 ай бұрын

I agree Fed played great tennis, however against Novak and Rafa it wasn't as effective because they were great players who's style & Tennis could match Fed indeed surpass him! If it came down to great tennis or lets say very skilful Tennis i.e. serve volley, drop volley, touch shots, great angles etc. Fed played in a era where he could win Wimbledon with out venturing to the net! Even Borg & Connors who were out & out Base liners had to serve and Volley to win their Wimbledon Titles! Indeed look at that era you had McEnroe with out doubt in my opinion the had the greatest volley and serve Not only was he a great singles player he won numerous titles at doubles including GS with his partner Flemming! Getting back to the question of great tennis well Mac, Guralitus Nastase etc. all fantastic to watch however not the greatest! Tennis back then was more diverse in the sense that you had way more serve & volleyers than today! I hear experts say its impossible to play like that? Well remeber Dustin Brown beating Rafa at Wimbledon? Served and Volleyed, rushed the net at every opportunity! He beat Rafa Like wise Sergiy Stakhovsky in 2016 at Wimbledon beat Fed which was hailed as the biggest shock ever! How did he beat Roger? Serve & volley and rushing the net! Both he & Dustin Brown beat two of the greatest players ever playing Tennis that pundits said was ineffective in this era! 2 relatively lower ranked players, playing old school grass court tennis beat Nadal & Fed!

Fed fans a few years earlier: fed has the most slams therefore he is the goat Fed fans now: Fed played gracefully like he was doin ballet therefore he is the goat

@zvonkosolin8627

4 ай бұрын

Actually Federer is The G.O.A.T. since 2005. he broke record of total number of GS in 2009, but that is success not greatness.

It's a bit silly to think that 3 players playing at the same time are all potential GOATS. It's clear that the game evolved (or was manipulated) so as to make the differences between surfaces less great resulting in less variety of styles between players and fewer players whose style is much stronger on some surfaces and weaker on others. You can't be the GOAT and have been dominated by another player who overlaps significantly with your career. Only one of these players can be the GOAT and they would have to be measured against Sampras who dominated throughout his career which was against a much more diverse set of opponents. Sampras had to beat Musters and Changs in one round and Beckers and Rafters in the next. That's less the case today. Today's game makes for longer rallies and is fun to watch but the best players are usually best everywhere. Yesterday's game had more variety in surfaces, in a rapidly developing racquet technology, and therefore in players. One of these "GOATS" might be the real GOAT, but Sampras is #2 if not #1.

@blabla-fw9ix

5 ай бұрын

The sport did evolve but nothing stopped Sampras for going for more , he was never going to win the FO but he could have won more at the other slams but he just didn't have the motivation or the longevity of the big 3 . He is not greater than they are , Roger has 1 FO and even without that he still would be 5 slams above Sampras , that excuse just doesn't work for me . We will never see 3 players of that caliber in one era ever again , I doubt we will see 2 , that is how special all 3 of them are . So no Sampras is not n2 and definitely not n1 , nor is he n3 . You are making it sound like the sport hasn't evolved when he played compared to when players used wooden racquets , tennis always evolves in some way , but now it has reached a point where the evolving has sort of reached a point where it can't evolve too much further . While surface homogenization exists more today than it did in the 90s its not like its the same thing . There is a reason why Nadal has 14 FO but 2 Wimbledons and 2 AO for example or Roger having 5+ at 3 slams and 1 FO , Novak is the most versatile of the 3 having 3+ at all slams . If Agassi could win a career grand slam in the 90s era then so could any of the big 3 who are superior players to him . The biggest reason as to why there were less slam winners was because the big 3 were that good and didn't allow too many players to get their hands on the trophies . Tennis is a sport of records and despite him being the best overall in his generation his records are overshadowed by the big 3 too much . If any of the big 3 were not on the same level as the other members of the big 3 their numbers wouldn't be so cracked as they are . Again no shot are we ever going to see 3 players within a 5 year age gap have 20+ slams , it just isn't going to happen . We might get a new GOAT in the future like Alcaraz but his competition is not going to be what the big 3 had , not even close , but if he has the numbers he will be regarded as the GOAT regardless of competition , that is the way it goes .

@itscolin81

5 ай бұрын

@@blabla-fw9ix Take track and field for example. If they took the 60, the 100, the 200, the 400, and throw in the 400 hurdles and 100 hurdles and make them all one event called "sprinting" there would the top sprinters who would take all the wins and rack up all the medals and break all the records. You can't be the GOAT and get dominated by a rival during a significant part of your own career. Dominating makes the GOAT, not some numbers which were a result of homogenizing the game. Sampras dominated his era. Who dominated since? 3 guys? That's stupid.

@blabla-fw9ix

5 ай бұрын

@@itscolin81 Ok so why are Sampras' records so inferior to the big 3 ? His game was fine for 3/4 slams . Why does he have less masters 1000 titles than Murray for example . Why is his win % 77.4% when he retired when he was like 31 and you have guys who played and are playing in their mid/late 30s who have better win % and not just by little . Novak's win % is 83.8% , Nadal's is 83 % , Federer's is 81.9% and he retired at like 39/40 compared to Sampras who retired at like 31 . Borg who retired with 12 slams at the age of 25/26 has a worse win % than 2 guys who are 36 and 37 years old , I mean come on . We can have differing opinions but Sampras himself acknowledged that the big 3 are greater than he is , he is the biggest reason the slams became even more important than anything else by a big margin . Even if he was the best of his generation his records and achievements are worse then what 3 players achieved in 1 era . Using other sports are some silly analogies if this were that is pointless , records stand the test of time .

@itscolin81

5 ай бұрын

@@blabla-fw9ix For the reasons I just explained. In fact, every point you are attempting to make was already addressed. Why aren't you getting it? If you disagree, fine. Don't pretend to be stupid though.

@blabla-fw9ix

5 ай бұрын

@@itscolin81 I am not pretending to be stupid , I went more in depth when it came to analyses to prove to you that you are overrating Sampras , that was the point I was trying to make so instead of the oh they have more slams and masters I took the approach that even tho they played almost a decade longer than he did they still proved to have a drastically superior win % than he did . Also usually when people start throwing insults that is because they have nothing smart to say , I wasn't born yesterday bucko you will have to try harder than that .

Rafad bin Nadalhad??? Goat?? 😂😂😂

There was never a debate to begin with, same old scenario like Lebron James and Jordan, you have few 15+yearolds trying to argue that success makes you the best. Question of the Greatest player of all time in basketball ended with last shot against Utah in 98. and in tennis at 2005. There are many athletes with lot of success in every sport, but that does not make you the greatest. G.O.A.T. is a term for who played the sport at the highest level ever seen, who dominated the sport like no man ever, who was the most skillfull player that could do impossible things that no other player ever could, and who transcended the sport and elevated it to global hight. Its not Lebron James and its not Djokovic. You can easy prove it with numbers or with your own eyes.

I don't think it's all about numbers, it's also about playing style, technique, longevity regardless of what age they are. Being consistent is also key. Also have you look at their opponents they are playing. Some might get tougher opponents than the others at different parts of their career. You can't also compare them if one of them has retired, you need to compare them while they were active. That would be a proper scientific analysis to find out who the best is.

@blabla-fw9ix

5 ай бұрын

This is a sport , not something you can determine using ,, hard sciences ,, . Playing style and technique doesn't matter whatsoever , you can play the ugliest brand of tennis but if you have the numbers you will be regarded as the greatest . All of them had the attributes you mentioned just in different ways as they are different players . Novak has most of the numbers , most slams , most ATP Finals , most masters 1000 , most yen 1 , most week at n1 , most big titles , most top 5 wins , most top 10 wins , has a positive h2h against his 2 biggest rivals so yeah being realistic Novak is the GOAT if these 3 are the choices we have to pick from . You can't exactly compare them to a T considering the age gap , of course Federer is going to have a lead over Nadal and Djokovic who are 5 and 6 years his juniors . When Federer retired they were all at 20 slams I believe but he is the oldest and the other 2 still had more in them and they surpassed him . Regardless who's fan you are if you are being honest Djokovic is the GOAT , he just has too much going for him and he is still the top dog , there is more debate about second place than who is at n1 , personally I think Nadal has surpassed Federer but you could argue in Roger's case but when it comes to n1 it is almost impossible to argue against Novak regardless who's fan you are . When Federer and Nadal were above Djokovic then it was about the numbers but when Novak eclipsed them then it became a popularity contest or other subjective feelings , sorry but it doesn't work that way . Numbers are always going to be king , especially when there are 3 players for it least 3/4 of their career in the same era . If we go down the rabbit hole of subjective feelings then everybody is going to be picking their favorite of the 3 , that is why numbers matter more than anything . It is a more objective view rather than a subjective one , and this isn't a team sport it is a 1v1 sport so no teammates to carry you . There is a site called the ultimate tennis statistics and it is for the most part objective as it shows raw stats but adds more points for some achievements and Novak is quite ahead of Federer and Nadal for good reason .

@aminulhussain2751

5 ай бұрын

@@blabla-fw9ix In your comment there is a lot of judgement you have made which you need to keep away from, stop thinking about why people think one should be the GOAT and the others now. In sport it's not all about numbers, that's just your opinion. There's more to numbers and that is what I mentioned in my previous comment. The ultimate GOAT should be what the stats say while all of them were active, since one of them retired while all of them had 20 grand slams then we can call all of them GOATS, but that's only grand slam titles, there's much more to it than that.

@blabla-fw9ix

5 ай бұрын

@@aminulhussain2751 First of all you can consider who you want as the GOAT , I simply added my 2 cents , why so defensive ? Numbers are the most important thing , only a fool is going to pretend that is not the case , if numbers didn't matter then you could pick anybody as the GOAT which is silly . Again use logic for a moment here , you can't expect them to have the same numbers when one player is 5 and 6 years older than the other 2 , that is absurd to even say , if he could have a head start then it is only fair the other 2 will catch up later on . The oldest will likely retire first and it happened . So in your eyes what period do you want to use then ? Give me a time period you want to use , anything before 2007 doesn't go well with your logic as Novak was like 19 then and didn't do anything but by that time Federer already had 9 slams . Even if we don't look at the slams Novak still even before Federer retired had more masters 1000 , more weeks and yen1 . Federer had 1 more ATP Finals but again he won a lot of them before Novak came to the scene so by your logic that shouldn't count? Tell me then what period do you want us to examine since you claim you care about all 3 of them being active but also they have to be established players that have done something as well not just came on the tour on their first or second year .

@aminulhussain2751

5 ай бұрын

@@blabla-fw9ix The correct way to measure this is when all of them were active, it doesn't matter if they were 19 years old or 25 years old at that time, if they are pros and playing in the ATP, then that's when you start to measure. You mentioned Djokovic was 19 years old when Federer and Nadal were at the top of their game and we can't measure from there, well Nadal was 19 years old when he won his first grand slam which is the 2005 French Open. According to you, it looks like you are a Djokovic fan who doesn't want to do proper maths to find out who the GOAT is. Why measure when Djokovic started to play better, why not measure from when he first started to play tennis as a pro? Federer: Turned pro in 1998 Nadal: Turned pro in 2001 Djokovic: Turned pro in 2003 Federer retired: 2022 Measure from 2003 to 2022, that's the correct way.

@aminulhussain2751

5 ай бұрын

@@blabla-fw9ix If you want to look at pure numbers here it is. Titles won: Federer: 103 Nadal: 92 Djokovic: 98 Titles lost: Federer: 54 Nadal: 130 Djokovic: 138 Now as you say you're a numbers person, here are your numbers and according to this it looks like Federer comes out on top. Also it doesn't matter if these were smaller tournaments such as the ATP250 or 500 as you've already mentioned it's purely based on numbers, here are your numbers.

novac is a goat and there is nothing to be reckoned with, it is not the pageant for Miss, but tennis, and in tennis it doesn't matter whether you are beautiful or elegant or have a good haircut

There is no debate,it's done Djokovic won the battle. Get over it.

Federer the goat messi of tennis, Novak like CR7 a machine

@blabla-fw9ix

5 ай бұрын

Novak has most of the records so just no . Federer was the GOAT but he got surpassed so he no longer is ,, THE GOAT ,, . He is top 3 but no longer top 1 .

@Aiyangar321

5 ай бұрын

@@blabla-fw9ix agree with you in terms of records same way CR7 has more champions league goals and assists then messi but when you watch federer play it’s like magic, Novak does everything really well, but watching federer is different to any other player, makes the sport look so easy and his demeanour was something else

@blabla-fw9ix

5 ай бұрын

@@Aiyangar321 Comparing football and tennis is different . One is a team sport that relies heavily on teammates as well not just yourself , tennis on the other hand is a 1v1 sport , so records hold more weight than in most sports especially when you are for a good part of your career in the same era . You can like Federer more but statistics are not on his side and neither is the h2h against both his rivals no matter how beautiful his tennis is . Federer is my second favorite player after Novak but I am having a hard time putting him over Nadal as well but he has an argument against Nadal but against Novak there really is no arguing when Novak is just ahead in almost every metric . When Federer had the slam record , the ATP Finals record , weeks at n1 he was considered the GOAT because of those records more than his style of play which is a pleasure to watch no doubt but he was surpassed and if he was considered the GOAT mostly because of the records then it is only fair that if he gets surpassed he is no longer the GOAT , personal feelings are irrelevant here . Roger to a part has himself to blame for ending as the third wheel , he lost too many close winnable matches to Djokovic and Nadal and that is what ultimately cost him in the end . No shame in being the third best of your generation and the third greatest player ever but that is where most consider him to be now regardless of feelings . Novak has the slam record , the ATP Finals record , the masters 1000 record , weeks at n1 record , yen1 record , positive h2h against his 2 biggest rivals , best winning % in history , highest elo rating in history , most big titles , triple career grand slam , double golden masters , non calendar slam , I mean at some point you just have to concede and be honest with your self and say yeah this guy is the GOAT . Nobody will forget what Roger has done in the sport and he will always be viewed as a tier 1 GOAT just not ,, THE GOAT ,, . His legacy is cemented forever and nothing will take away what he has done in the sport .

@Aiyangar321

4 ай бұрын

@@blabla-fw9ix good point you made one record which won’t be broken though is feds 237 weeks in a row as world number 1, if it wasn’t for fed nadal or Novak wouldn’t be at the level they are at

@blabla-fw9ix

4 ай бұрын

@@Aiyangar321 All of them had to improve when faced against each other , Novak the most as he couldn't get past his 2 great rivals until he made drastic changes to his lifestyle . And yes of course Federer and Nadal have crazy records of their own , the one you mentioned for Federer and winning 5 Wimbledons and 5 USO in a row and Nadal's supreme clay dominance and 14 FO and 5 FO in a row . Nobody is denying their greatness of course all of them are going to have some unique incredible records , heck Andy Murray is the only player to win 2 Olympic golds in singles which makes him the Olympics GOAT in tennis and yet in other categories he is nowhere near the big 3 . But Novak's records overall are just too much and he is still playing . It least Federer was the GOAT after the 2009 FO and Wimbledon double once he achieved the career grand slam and surpassed Sampras he was considered the GOAT by most and he held that spot until 2020 , so he had a good decade as the GOAT but that is when it changed . And after 2022 AO and FO double a good amount of people saw Nadal as the GOAT but it was very short lived as Novak won Wimbledon and had that historic 2023 year . So Nadal was arguably the GOAT for a year tops if less than that , he feels like the eternal number 2 especially if you look at his weeks at n1 and n2 . I have no doubt that Novak will get surpassed in the future as well by maybe someone like Alcaraz as he will not have to deal with 2 GOAT level players . So even if he gets the records and becomes the GOAT people will wonder if that was because his competition palled in comparison to what the big 3 had so people will doubt if he is the best player ever even if they will acknowledge him as the GOAT if he surpasses Novak's records of course and if not him then somebody else in the future .

Novak is the "GOAT"... Number of wins % (83.4), H2H leading, GS titles, Athleticity at this Age --- what else Social Media needs more? just do not show him to the World in a negative way. Humanity/Respecting opponent/Philatropist - World Classs. if Novak borned in "USA", many cities/streets will be named under him. Media is so stupid and negative.

Roger. Nobody has that skills.

Rafa

@blabla-fw9ix

5 ай бұрын

Novak's career > Nadal's career , it just is what it is , like it or not .

Federer ❤Goat

novak je goat i tu nema sta da se racuna vise nije izbor za mis nego tenis a u tenisu nije bitno dal si lep ili elegantan ili dobru frizuru imas

@zvonkosolin8627

4 ай бұрын

I dalje ti Đoka nije najbolji svih vremena, jedino ako Federer i Nadal ne sudjeluju.