DIY Home Studio Treatment: Down to 25Hz with POROUS BASS TRAPS (with measurements)

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One of the things you’ll hear repeated regularly if you go down the DIY bass trap rabbit hole is:
You can’t control bass with porous absorbers. You need resonance absorbers (membrane, Helmholtz, whatever). Period.
Well, I beg to differ. :D
As always, it’s not a matter of possible or not, but HOW MUCH is possible.
My benchmark for the Better Bass Trap is 40Hz. Roughly speaking, that’s how low down you can expect to see improvement in your room if you use it properly.
Because HOW you use it can have a great impact on just how well it works! This is home studio DIY acoustic treatment after all.
Every room is different.
Sometimes your room is inherently at a disadvantage because of size and shape (although you can improve just about any room).
And sometimes you get the perfect storm.
Because of the odd placement of a chimney, my student Rudi Pravda ended up using the Better Bass Trap in a way that got him control all the way down to 25Hz!!
This is definitely an odd one out. But interesting all the more.
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  • @delite23
    @delite23 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks you Jesco, it was a pleasure and an honor to be invited.

  • @madstrebbien
    @madstrebbien Жыл бұрын

    This video is inspiring me to upgrade my home studio even further. I have treated room with 12 panels so far. But now I want to build more panels that also are deeper. I’m also just impressed with the sense of detail Rudi puts into this treatment. All that time he spend building those panels.. just amazing.

  • @delite23

    @delite23

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Mads, go for it. It makes so much sense to treat your room. I wish I would have done that years ago.

  • @ericriley3147
    @ericriley3147 Жыл бұрын

    No real description of the "porous" absorbers. No breakdown of materials used or anything.

  • @jason.martin

    @jason.martin

    20 күн бұрын

    I agree, He has a paywall in order to get the plans which are pretty standard designs or a membrane design that is public.

  • @Martin-kn6vc
    @Martin-kn6vc Жыл бұрын

    I really like the idea of having diffusor fronts on all the panels and swapping them around when needed!

  • @LasseHuhtala
    @LasseHuhtala Жыл бұрын

    Your English is just fine, Rudi.

  • @delite23

    @delite23

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Lasse!

  • @g-man1257

    @g-man1257

    Жыл бұрын

    @@delite23 If ONLY I could speak another language as well as you communicate in English... well, it would be a great personal achievement !!

  • @tobiasharrison4486
    @tobiasharrison4486 Жыл бұрын

    That was a very insightful and informative interview. Thank you both.

  • @mourlyvold64
    @mourlyvold6411 ай бұрын

    Well done, Rudi !

  • @wolframstrohschein5901
    @wolframstrohschein5901 Жыл бұрын

    As always, a great video with a great guy from Austria. Greetings to Klagenfurt from Graz!

  • @S7V7N_SEAS
    @S7V7N_SEAS3 ай бұрын

    This was a great interview. Thank you guys.

  • @m.j.s.3838
    @m.j.s.3838 Жыл бұрын

    HI A.I., Recently, I built a variety of diy acoustic treatments to improve my sound and my skills prior to undertaking a major diy speaker project. Using recyled or repurposed wood, blankets, linen, etc (except for new rockwool), the result looks professional and the response in my hifi listening room is basically flat now (no dips or peaks At All). It sounds amazing, of course. For eg., I made six 2’x4’x6” panels similar to yours, four for the corners and two for the side primary reflection points. Wow! Fantastic results. I may make even more, for the front and back wall and above the listening position. *****Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge!*****

  • @tomtomclubsandwhich
    @tomtomclubsandwhich Жыл бұрын

    Jesco is the man!

  • @markpocock183
    @markpocock183 Жыл бұрын

    Impressive to see reduction in standing waves all the way down to 25 Hz! How did you come up with the estimate of 40 panels required?

  • @patrick5301
    @patrick53019 ай бұрын

    I just started building my own studio and never understood why people would just put 10cm thick panels on to the first reflection points. In my opinion, you are only doing it correctly when people around you start telling you that it's "too much" and you should just "back it off a bit" because you are "reducing the room size too much". Meaning: I have 4x 40cm thick basstraps, 3x 30cm thick floor to ceiling panels, 2x 40cm deep ceiling clouds and a 3m x 2.50m x 60cm deep basstrap covering the back wall. And now I've physically ran out of space and have a LOT of the surface area covered with 30cm deep absorption. This is how to do it correctly. Every bit of porous absorption HAS to be as broad-band as possible. 😮

  • @juanBrock98
    @juanBrock98 Жыл бұрын

    I jesco ! Thanks for every adcise you are giving. It's been very helpful for me. I would really like to buy your course for building a better trap. But since i don't have the money for paying it, i had to dig into the web (aka gearspace etc...). I know that that for small rooms it's better to use bass traps combined with some 1D disffusion. As i see your panels follow this principel. Not to much absorption in order to keep the room imaging "live". But when i saw the tour of your studio 'behind the scenes video" i sa that your hybrid panels are also putted on the side walls. According to the forums that i have found, it is not recommended to diffuse the first reflection, it seems to be better to absorb all of the spectrum in order to perceive just the direct sound. Can you explain why you putted your hybrid panels on your side walls ? Also i'm looking for the sequence you use in your slat surface, it's been kinda difficult to find; I'm guessing you are using the Bobby sequence, or the Newel sequence;. But is that sequence usable for any situation ? I know your bass traps are suppose to work on any home studio situation (small room) but is there a reason for using that particular sequence ? Hope my question is not to long... I love the work you're doing. It's been really helpful for me, since i don't have all the knowledge to really understand acoustics. Thanks a lot !!!!

  • @aKRo228
    @aKRo228 Жыл бұрын

    Jesco can you explain Northward Acoustics FTB rooms, how it works ? in one of your videos?

  • @Dimitris_Pappas
    @Dimitris_Pappas Жыл бұрын

    Great!

  • @markdelange980
    @markdelange980 Жыл бұрын

    It is not a challenge to place poreus absorption everywhere in enough thickness to absorb 50 Hz. The challenge is to maintain the pressure in the room and to create an environment where you can judge the amount of reverb on a source. In a room with only absorption this will be really hard. Would be nice if you would made a video about that.

  • @StevenPule21
    @StevenPule21 Жыл бұрын

    Is it a good idea to place a diffuser in the rear wall in a room with 4.15m length 2.8m wide and 3m height? Or only absorption instead? Plus, 8 inches speakers will work well with this room?

  • @asianguy6174
    @asianguy617410 ай бұрын

    Wish you would do more videos on acoustics for voiceover

  • @RobertKgma
    @RobertKgma Жыл бұрын

    Do these panels have a rigid backing like mdf or just fabric?

  • @davidhellegouarch1622
    @davidhellegouarch1622 Жыл бұрын

    Is wood fibre a good insulation alternative to rockwool ?

  • @thematsc
    @thematsc Жыл бұрын

    Nice but, delay in room correction eq? If that's a problem you are using the wrong correction system/speaker. The latency at 44kHz in lets say Genelec is GLM/speakers is about 4 msec and in DIRAC 16 msec and Trinov something around 20+ msec. If you have problems with fades and when sound starts, your brain must work in a very special way 🙂 I also think that a room correction system would be the final 15% improvement in this studio. You could easily get rid of the the few annoying peaks. And, room correction is not only about the room, its also (partly or sometimes) about correction of the speakers 🙂

  • @delite23

    @delite23

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi there, You are right, if you don't care about phase when you eq your room, delay is not an issue. as soon as you add a linear phase eq, there is no way not to introduce latency. that's the thing that i'm really picky about. especially for mastering. when you use sonar works for example, you can choose between zero latency or linear phase. and the linear phase mode will introduce latency. you are right about the trinov, but the trinov is also correcting the phase wich makes it phenomenal, if you can afford it of course ;-) thanks for taking the time to write a comment and share some tipps!

  • @rabarebra

    @rabarebra

    6 ай бұрын

    @@delite23 The Ones are made for mastering.

  • @delite23

    @delite23

    6 ай бұрын

    @@rabarebraYou're right. The 8361s will probably be my next monitoring system. 😎

  • @rabarebra

    @rabarebra

    6 ай бұрын

    @@delite23 that's the Ones I have. 😉

  • @amalgami
    @amalgami Жыл бұрын

    wish me luck, i am treating a 5W 6L 6H feet wooden box room, self made in the tiny space i could spare. All ply wood box. Zero treatment so far, shopping for rockwool etc online these days. I won't be able to achieve any desirable results, but will still try in futility. To make matters worse, i have a 5 inch genelec with a 8 inch sub. Call me crazy, so are most of the musicians. But you know what, i will do my best, since this is only i can spare in my tiny house. Also i use sonarworks, so will try that to rescue me. Lastly, i might have to make do with headphones.

  • @LBJedi
    @LBJedi Жыл бұрын

    He’s I, if I’d like to get your help designing my room, where should I go?

  • @WarerBrow
    @WarerBrow Жыл бұрын

    Can someone post the summary or main thesis? Were his traps deeper than 30cm? How he achieved 25hz?

  • @delite23

    @delite23

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi Paul, so basically the traps were 20 cm deep. There are places in the room where i have two, sometimes even three panels right behind each other, so that makes it deeper than 30 cm.

  • @WarerBrow

    @WarerBrow

    Жыл бұрын

    @@delite23 Yeah, so basically it's the rule "it's never ENOUGH absorption" :) Cool!

  • @delite23

    @delite23

    Жыл бұрын

    @@WarerBrow absolutely right - sometimes more is more 🙂

  • @pabloescapista

    @pabloescapista

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@delite23 Hi Rudi! Thanks for sharing your experience, very impressive! May I ask, which density of the absorber you were using for your project? Thank you in advance and all the best with your Marvelous Mastering studio!

  • @delite23

    @delite23

    Жыл бұрын

    @@pabloescapista Hi Andrei, I contacted the manufacturer and asked for the density. Jesco has a range of density in his building manual. All I did was to make sure that the ,arterial is in the range. I did change jescos plan and made the modules bigger so i didn’t had to cut the rockwool. Hope that helps. Take Care

  • @m76353
    @m76353 Жыл бұрын

    BIG QUESTION: For a vocal recording room, can "rigid fiber glass" or "rockwool" bass traps be sealed in thin plastic? There seems to still be lots and lots of debate over this. I've actually heard people recommend 10 inch thick traps with a thin plastic layer over them for acoustic reasons, they say it can reflect the highs while absorbing the lows and some high mids which gives a more even response. Other people say it doesn't effect any sound absorption at all, while still others say it reflects way too much even including the low mids because of something to do with air pressure (in theory). Personally I want to do this for health reasons, but it would be greatly appreciated if any one with any knowledge on this could weigh in on it from an acoustical stand point. If so, thanks a million!!!

  • @everestwitman

    @everestwitman

    Жыл бұрын

    Jesco just did a video on this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4WCpLShgL3XYpM.html&ab_channel=AcousticsInsider

  • @m76353

    @m76353

    Жыл бұрын

    @@everestwitman THANKS SO MUCH FOR LMK!!!!! just watched it and he answered all questions!!!

  • @everestwitman

    @everestwitman

    Жыл бұрын

    @@m76353 happy to help haha

  • @Epic501

    @Epic501

    Жыл бұрын

    you can use many types of fabric to wrap insulation in to prevent them from shedding, which would be easier than plastic, but most rockwool is in fact not damaging to the lungs long term like fiberglass is.

  • @mitchellshier2025

    @mitchellshier2025

    11 ай бұрын

    @@m76353did he reply ?

  • @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
    @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios Жыл бұрын

    What is the name of the company who he modeled his mastering desk from? Unfortunately, due to the accent... I couldn't understand the company name he was saying. (That is NOT to demean his excellent use of the English language, as he his not speaking in his native tongue).

  • @gtk_NO

    @gtk_NO

    Жыл бұрын

    Sterling Sound desk he says. Sterlingmodular.

  • @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios

    @sekritskworl-sekrit_studios

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gtk_NO Thank you so very much.

  • @BeejayMorgan
    @BeejayMorgan Жыл бұрын

    The material in his ceiling looks like maybe it's Homasote? Or something similar?

  • @delite23

    @delite23

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi Beejay, these are Heradesign Panels made by a company called Knauf.

  • @galgogergo

    @galgogergo

    Жыл бұрын

    @@delite23 wow, Héra design rules! I like their Superfine stuff :)

  • @tvtime1505
    @tvtime150510 ай бұрын

    25 hz not possible

  • @patrick5301

    @patrick5301

    9 ай бұрын

    That's where the lowest standing wave is in his room. Also, it is possible by using uncompressed sheep wool in 1m deep bass traps

  • @maximilian2828
    @maximilian28288 ай бұрын

    so funny English love carpet Europe hate carpet

  • @GRATE_DA_G
    @GRATE_DA_G Жыл бұрын

    Have you ever made bass traps out of milk crates?

  • @wadimek116
    @wadimek116 Жыл бұрын

    This video is nothing specific, zero useful knowledge here. Its basically and add to buy his course.

  • @mourlyvold64

    @mourlyvold64

    11 ай бұрын

    It's a case study. If you want specifics, check out more of his videos or his website (loads of free information). To many people whining instead of making an effort... Peace.

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