It's so interesting listening to you guys talk about Clarice. Here in Brazil, we study her in high school (her work's included on our SATs), so our first contact with her writing is usually when we're teens, and it comes with long classes about historical context and reading analysis. During my high school, I had to read her short stories collection, Family Ties, which I enjoyed, but having to read it to pass a test really kills the experience of Reading Clarice. I get why it's included in our tests, but I feel it's unfair to her work and to us. So it’s nice to listen to you guys talk about her without having the school background I usually have with my friends when we talk about her. Discovering the World is one of my mom’s favourite books, so I had already read some of Clarice’s work when we studied at school. I preferred this one to Family Ties, which sounded bureaucratic to me at the time. But I reread it this year and it’s absolutely amazing. Now, I think it’s a good start for people who don’t feel like they have enough breath to her density. During my Portuguese major, I studied Near The Wild Heart, which I guess it’s also a good start. But this book is kinda like reading a writer find her own voice. The beginning seems like she’s copying other Modernists styles, and the end is pure Clarice. It’s such an interesting experience! But I must say my favourite is Passion According to GH. It really stuck to me the message before the book starts in which Clarice writes that she'd "be happy if it were only read by people whose souls are already formed". I feel like a lot of her work is for people who have formed a bond between the world, the self and their own interiority - and that’s what makes it so hard to read her sometimes, but it’s also what feels magnificent about her work. I promise I’ll stop talking (lol), but have you or @nathansnook read The Egg and the Chicken? It’s one of her shot stories, and it’s absolutely wild. In That interview she says it’s the work she most hates, because she has no idea what she wrote about. I’d LOVE to know what you guys thought about this one! It’s my favourite.

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

ya, I imagine having to read lispector as a bewildered adolescent could be a disservice to getting to like her! in general, I know her short stories less -- I've read a bunch of them over the years, but I just don't remember them very well. now that I know and like her a lot more specifically and fiercely, I should go back to them. I'm pretty sure I've never read the egg and the chicken, but I have it bookmarked now upon yr recommendation!

@nathansnook

6 ай бұрын

thank you for this incredible window into your experience with Lispector! i've always wanted to know what a native's experience with her work to be like. i've read The Egg and the Chicken and it's actually my favorite of hers! i think because it's the first existential question we are all dealt when we are young, and here, from a childlike imagination, Lispector is able to build out of it, create an incredible wondering and wandering of it, into a story. almost like god. to create something out of nothing. i think it's magnificent!

@claaaaaara

6 ай бұрын

​@@bibliosophie yeah, I feel like most of her short stories are not as impressive as her novels, I forgot most of them as well, haha! But!! I must say that's not the case for The Egg and The Chicken. This one is really something. Please, share your thoughts when you read it

@claaaaaara

6 ай бұрын

@@nathansnook Oh, that's my favorite as well!! I completely agree with you. It's just so wild how she conducts the train of thoughts!! I've gotta admit that I feel a bit sorry for people who can't read Clarice in portuguese, lol. Or at least in non-latin languages. It's such a viceral experience, you're absolutely taken from the world, like reality is just a concept and the virtuality of her words is the only thing that exist. But, like, from what you guys talk about, I guess it's the same experience in translation, which is like, kudo to the translators! It's such a hard work.

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

@@claaaaaara i will! i should read it soon so i actually get to it

watching two of my favorite youtubers chat is my superbowl.

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

and this is a most fittingly niche chat for the two of us to be having :)

I'd never heard of Clarice Lespector prior to this discussion. Thank you for this amazing discussion.

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

woohoo! so glad to introduce her to someone! 💕

co-founder of Lispectorism, Sophie, laying out the importance of our cult! pls join us!

@nathansnook

6 ай бұрын

but y'all pls read Lispector. if you read her you will be so hot

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

oh i think we just joined a pre-existing community, no? i don’t think i deserve co-founder status

@nathansnook

6 ай бұрын

@@bibliosophie fun fact, if you look up "Clarice Lispector" in yt search, our first chat pops up in the top ten so that says something bb! but if anything, we are reinventing interest in her again! woot woot!

This was pure gold! I read my first Lispector in 2007 (the quaint University of Minnesota Press edition of The Stream of Life aka Agua Viva 😅 ) and I’ve been stretching out the experience of reading her ever since…about 1 book every 3 years, because I don’t want it to end! But you’ve inspired me to speed up so I can get into the experience of re-reading her. Thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing. ❤

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

i’ll remain neutral on anyone’s speed picking up their next lispector, but i definitely encourage you to reread her texts! as you can imagine, they hold up incredibly well to reappraisal. i’m so glad you enjoyed this video!

Another Clarice Lispector video from my two favorite Lispector enjoyers! I'm so happy!!!!!! I could literally spend so many hours listening to both of you talking about lispector. I've only started reading her this year and I'm already so crazy about her, it's actually insane lol so I deeply get why you both talk so passionately about her. This discussion is perfect. Thank you 🤍🤍

@nathansnook

6 ай бұрын

lucky for you we could go on for hours talking about her work! so so glad you got to reading her this year. let us know your fav!!!

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

thank you for watching! so happy lispector has struck something in you and that you like your hear us talk about her :) like nathan, i want to know which books you’ve particularly enjoyed!

@jinuelzymon

6 ай бұрын

omg hi sophie hi nathan !! my fav is the hour of the star (from what i've read so far)

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

@@jinuelzymon fabulous! ✨

@nathansnook

6 ай бұрын

@@jinuelzymon oop! enjoy! come back here and let us know your thoughts on them!

Clarice Mentioned. I repeat, Clarice mentioned. BRAZILIANS, ASSEMBLE! 🫡

@bibliosophie

23 күн бұрын

ha ha ha hello! welcome! very glad to have you :)

not me starting with the hour of the star!!! excellent video

@bibliosophie

16 күн бұрын

it’s a very popular place to start! (and where i started, too) thank you!

wow thank you for this!!! feels like a much needed guide to her since i just started getting into lispector:)

@bibliosophie

3 ай бұрын

that’s wonderful to hear! what have you started with (or are planning to start with)?

I enjoyed this conversation. It’s reminded me to get back to the Complete Stories book. It’s such a brick. I actually need to pull it off the shelf and have it nearby to encourage dipping in. The thing about the collection is it’s not broken out by year written - which I prefer so I can see a person’s writing evolution. I do know I’ll turn to one of her novels in 2024. Thanks for the discussion!!

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

the novels are really worth getting into. I also started with that short story brick and never really got into them the way I did with the novels. at some point I would like to get back to the short stories: I wonder if I'd have a different relationship with them now

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

and I definitely agree with you about seeing a person's evolution. that volume is in many ways a little user unfriendly...

@thelefthandedreader6632

6 ай бұрын

@@bibliosophie , that's a good point. Once you've experienced her writing it - experiences like that with unique writing almost "train" you for more. Just like long books have trained me to read more long books.

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

@@thelefthandedreader6632 exactly!

MY FAVORITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

👼👼

YEEEEEES

@bibliosophie

6 ай бұрын

lispectorians assemble!