Divine Liturgy at St. Michael the ArchAngel Ukrainian Catholic Church April 7, 2013

Father Volodymyr Kostyuk celebrates the Divine Liturgy at our church located in Jenkintown, PA USA. A special addition to the Liturgy was the replica of the Shroud of Turin that was on display.

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  • @chackopanjikattil7844
    @chackopanjikattil784410 жыл бұрын

    Though I could not understand the language I could follow the substance .The chanting's are highly devotional and create a heavenly atmosphere like the angels praising God . It is almost similar to the Antiokian (west Syriac) Mass .There are no musical instruments or any other artificial things . I really enjoyed.Christianity is unity in diversity

  • @newstart1983

    @newstart1983

    5 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/emx8rpWNmJnUlqw.html&feature=share This a traditional west syriac maronite mass from 1959 in liturgic Syriac Aramaic and official Arabic.

  • @jfcruz59
    @jfcruz5911 жыл бұрын

    This is the mass that I attended as a young boy with my beloved father....it brings back a flood of wonderful spiritual memories!!!! I discovered your mass on father's day. I know my father directed me to your church. May God bless you now and forever! Yours in Christ, Peter Krewko

  • @richardwozniak9808
    @richardwozniak98083 күн бұрын

    Beautiful! Especially the chanting! I love the Byzantine Liturgy.

  • @lkl2736
    @lkl27364 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for posting this. It is a comfort during lockdown.

  • @normantkachyk9332
    @normantkachyk9332 Жыл бұрын

    This church is from Toronto ! I love the Ukrainian singing !!! We used to attend small church in Dufrost, and lunch after !! And babas and gedas St. Andrews church in Winnipeg on Euclid St walking distance from 43 Meade St. Just 1 block from grandparents !! Many times we would go, such a precious time , alternating from St. Pierre church many times ! Many times we had Ukrainian dinner and their friends , many names I remembered - too numerous to say ! It was part of my first 17 years I attended and my other siblings also !!

  • @Dmytroandoksana

    @Dmytroandoksana

    4 ай бұрын

    I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. This church is located in Jenkintown, Pennsylvania, near Philadelphia. I'm glad that it brought you happy memories though. Best wishes to you and your family.

  • @wfgstuff8534
    @wfgstuff85342 жыл бұрын

    I'm going to my first Ukrainian mass today. I can't wait! Just watching this to prepare.

  • @777mmtcatholic
    @777mmtcatholic Жыл бұрын

    Save me lord

  • @myronholovkevyc83
    @myronholovkevyc832 жыл бұрын

    💓🌷Дякую Господу Богу і Матінці Божій за все 🌷💓

  • @carolfischbach6199
    @carolfischbach61995 жыл бұрын

    Dig the altar cloth. It depicts the Shroud of Turin. Too Cool!

  • @zionparks7502

    @zionparks7502

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's not the altar cloth though.

  • @superomnenomen

    @superomnenomen

    4 жыл бұрын

    I thimk that IS the Shroud of Turin

  • @Eleison23
    @Eleison236 жыл бұрын

    Христос воскрес! Воістину воскрес!

  • @franny5358
    @franny53582 жыл бұрын

    I'm a Roman Catholic watching this

  • @larrytrem
    @larrytrem11 жыл бұрын

    What a magnificent church! It's always wonderful to find the Byzantine Liturgy celebrated beautifully...

  • @bojko133
    @bojko13311 жыл бұрын

    Слава Ісую Христу ! Дуже гарно співає Хор ! Гарні голоси !!!

  • @savannahsputnik1663

    @savannahsputnik1663

    4 жыл бұрын

    Олег Маґдзяк Oleg Magdziak Слава на віки

  • @patrickobrien8060

    @patrickobrien8060

    3 жыл бұрын

    This Irish-American guy has been attending the Ukrainian Liturgy so long that I even understood what you wrote!

  • @777mmtcatholic
    @777mmtcatholic Жыл бұрын

    Amen 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙌 blessings

  • @tradne85
    @tradne859 жыл бұрын

    Is this one of the abbreviated Divine Liturgies? I have recently become interested in Eastern Catholicism. So I know of the different versions, but not how or when they are used instead of the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom. Please forgive my ignorance.

  • @danielkugler

    @danielkugler

    6 жыл бұрын

    It is, I believe, the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. I am Ukrainian Orthodox, and we use the Ukrainian language Chrysostom Liturgy as well. When I attend Ukrainian Greek-Catholic churches such as the one here, the Chrysostom liturgy does seem to run a bit shorter than that used in the Orthodox Church, but the substance of the service is there. The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is used every Sunday and holy day by Eastern Christian churches, with a handful of exceptions when the longer St. James or St. Basil liturgy are used. But odds are extremely high that whenever you attend or see a liturgy in a Ukrainian Catholic church, or in any Orthodox church, it will be the Liturgy of Chrysostom.

  • @severianmonk7394
    @severianmonk73942 жыл бұрын

    There's a bird in the church. It keeps flying around. I haven't heard that Ishe kheruvimy for years.

  • @mindspring57
    @mindspring579 жыл бұрын

    In the Ukrainian Catholic Church, "Mass" is not the correct term. "Mass" pertains to the liturgy of the Roman Catholic Church, and is derived from the Latin phrase near the end "Ite, missa est," which means, "Go, you are dismissed." The Ukrainian Catholic Church celebrates the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom.

  • @iStouts

    @iStouts

    8 жыл бұрын

    +tjb70 I'm a filthy Schismatic papist and proud! But not the head, Jesus is the head of our Church. The Pope would be considered a representative.

  • @mindspring57

    @mindspring57

    8 жыл бұрын

    tjb70 The two liturgies are different, and they have different names.

  • @auyantepui3243

    @auyantepui3243

    7 жыл бұрын

    In the Catholic Church there are 2 ways of calling religious services (Mass) for the Latin or Western Roman rite and divine liturgy for the Eastern Catholic churches, both are valid in their respective territories according to the doctrine approved by the church and the Pope

  • @cossack207

    @cossack207

    6 жыл бұрын

    oh the Pope!!! oh that Pope! again and again!!! i learned never to argue with a Roman Catholic or a Ukrainian nationalist because you can never use true historical facts with them.. that goes for LIBERALS,PROGRESSIVES, MSM,MLM,CNN,and all of those HOLLYWOOD TYPES.. Thank you Obama and George Soros for making this world a living hell... and Shame on the new Pope for kissing Islam's Evil Ass,Duba,Zhopa ! How much is the jew who hates jews 'Soros' paying you? and why NOW can married priests be allowed in some of Byzantine Catholic churches in the USA when it was forbidden over 100 years ago? STOP KILLING YOUR BROTHER CHRISTIANS IN THE EASTERN UKRAINE! NOVORUSSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE CRIMEA WAS NEVER THE UKRAINE! STOP LYING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Eleison23

    @Eleison23

    6 жыл бұрын

    We call him "Vicar of Christ" because "vicar" means "substitute". If you live vicariously through something or someone, they are the substitute for your actual participation. Likewise, any cleric who is a vicar is a substitute, for a superior bishop or priest.

  • @MadMax31577
    @MadMax3157710 жыл бұрын

    The altar top has a replica of the Holy Shroud.

  • @CristianoUniversal

    @CristianoUniversal

    10 жыл бұрын

    Great observation... :)

  • @VideoMask93

    @VideoMask93

    7 жыл бұрын

    That's not the altar. The Altar's inside, beyond the doors.

  • @jacobkociuba8677

    @jacobkociuba8677

    6 жыл бұрын

    Even though what +bitterclinger100 might have been the replica of the Shroud of Turin, there is also a miniature icon of our Lord being taken down from the cross called the antimension. This cloth is signed and dated by the Bishop who consecrated the church and has relics sewn into it. It is on this cloth where the gifts of bread and wine are consecrated into the body and blood of our Lord, God and Saviour Jesus Christ during the Divine Liturgy.

  • @hectordanielsanchezcobo7713

    @hectordanielsanchezcobo7713

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes that's not the altar, the altar is behind the doors

  • @maxkol4380

    @maxkol4380

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@hectordanielsanchezcobo7713 Of course, you're right. Thanks for clarifying that. I knew that but I wasn't thinking when I wrote that.

  • @mcvalko
    @mcvalko11 жыл бұрын

    thank you ! i love this Church- I visited many years ago with the St Anne's choir

  • @walterwolansky9680

    @walterwolansky9680

    4 жыл бұрын

    This brings tears to my eyes I was born in a Byzantine Ukrainian Church 67 years ago the Eastern church does not change thank God слава богу на віки тобі

  • @annrapij3652
    @annrapij36522 жыл бұрын

    🙏🏻❤️✝️🌹

  • @michaelriordan8265
    @michaelriordan82652 жыл бұрын

    I don't know what you're singing, but it's beautiful music

  • @stevennewnan78
    @stevennewnan7811 жыл бұрын

    It's called the Divine Liturgy not The Mass. The Mass is the liturgical Eucharistic rites of the Western Churches.

  • @ajosephcirene
    @ajosephcirene8 жыл бұрын

    So very beautiful.

  • @brentpadgett4253
    @brentpadgett42533 жыл бұрын

    Я хотів би зрозуміти цю літургію. Це красиво.

  • @777mmtcatholic
    @777mmtcatholic Жыл бұрын

    Offer up my suffering to the churches relief 😌 🙏 😪 🤧 🙃

  • @777mmtcatholic
    @777mmtcatholic Жыл бұрын

    Deliver me from evil mother evil medical evil goes back justice amen 🙏 🙌 👏 ❤️ 👍 😔

  • @lord_kinbote3920
    @lord_kinbote39205 жыл бұрын

    Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary is the church that I would attend. Is it as simple as going to Divine Liturgy at that church, or is there some formal process I have to follow?

  • @richardsellsaz6865

    @richardsellsaz6865

    5 жыл бұрын

    NO formal process. at all.Just go there on Sunday and start attending.A Catholic can attend and receive communion at ALL Catholic Rites.

  • @lord_kinbote3920

    @lord_kinbote3920

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@richardsellsaz6865 What are the differences in going to confession between the Roman and Byzantine rites? Confession is the first thing I'm going to want to do, because I've been wandering in the wilderness for a while.

  • @lord_kinbote3920

    @lord_kinbote3920

    5 жыл бұрын

    Are there differences in going to confession between the Roman and Byzantine rites? Confession is the first thing I want to do. I apologize if I'm asking too many questions.

  • @lord_kinbote3920

    @lord_kinbote3920

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@richardsellsaz6865 And what about offering intentions? Can you offer a divine liturgy for someone's sake? Does it have to be a deceased person, or can it be a living person? Or do you just have to offer private intentions during the liturgy? I guess my apology about asking too many questions was preemtive.

  • @richardsellsaz6865

    @richardsellsaz6865

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@lord_kinbote3920 There is usually no divider between the penitent and priest in the Byzantine and Eastern Rites.I actually go to confession at a Latin Mass Church since it is nearby me on Saturdays.Call the closest Byzantine Church or look up their website and just go from there.

  • @trillline4563
    @trillline45635 жыл бұрын

    What is the first hymn sung

  • @jacobkociuba8677

    @jacobkociuba8677

    5 жыл бұрын

    в страсі і покорі (v strasi i pokori) - We are gathered here to worship

  • @normantkachyk9332
    @normantkachyk93322 жыл бұрын

    A similar church service as St. Andrews Church

  • @bojko133
    @bojko13311 жыл бұрын

    God bless you

  • @777mmtcatholic
    @777mmtcatholic Жыл бұрын

    777

  • @777mmtcatholic
    @777mmtcatholic Жыл бұрын

    No men heal all my trapped gas ....cures relief...cures supernatural cures miracles ...I get who I want chaka amen

  • @dsonyay
    @dsonyay4 ай бұрын

    Is that the actual Shroud of Turin???

  • @Dmytroandoksana

    @Dmytroandoksana

    4 ай бұрын

    No, this is not the Shroud of Turin.

  • @smacwan6894
    @smacwan68943 жыл бұрын

    Can a latin priest celebrate this rite liturgy?

  • @DF_UniatePapist

    @DF_UniatePapist

    3 жыл бұрын

    He could concelebrate it with a Byzantine priest, but in order to celebrate it on his own he would need to obtain biritual faculties from Rome.

  • @lord_kinbote3920
    @lord_kinbote39205 жыл бұрын

    I want to leave the Latin rite and become part of the Byzantine rite. What do I have to do for that? I'm extremely disappointed in the Roman heirarchy. It seems to me like there is much more holiness in the Byzantine churches. There is a Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in my city.

  • @richardsellsaz6865

    @richardsellsaz6865

    5 жыл бұрын

    You simply start attending a Byzantine Catholic Church.I've been attending St. Thomas the Apostle Byzantine Catholic Church in Arizona since 2004.Just go to that Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church and then become a registered parishoner.

  • @bdnl6268

    @bdnl6268

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@richardsellsaz6865 Any Catholic can go every Sunday to any rite. But you should go to communion once a year in your own rite.

  • @briankarchut7142

    @briankarchut7142

    5 жыл бұрын

    You don’t have to do anything at all except go and be part of the congregation. Ukrainian Catholics are just as much part of the Catholic Church as Italians, Poles, etc and you can participate fully, including taking communion. You’ll find that different, as you get a tiny cube of bread soaked in wine tipped into your mouth.

  • @rmarkwallace

    @rmarkwallace

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@richardsellsaz6865 Actually changing rites is a little more complicated. The priest can help you with that. The Byzantine Bishop petitions to bring you into the Byzantine Rite and then the Latin Bishop releases you. Usually a person attends the church of the rite that he wants to be in for a couple of years before he petitions. After the petition is granted, a notation is made on the baptismal certificate of the parish where you are baptized. But you can just register at any church of any rite that you want. You might have to come back to your own rite to get married, be ordained as a priest or have a baby baptized, but that's all. Continue to follow the holy day schedule and the fasting regulations of the rite you belong to, not the rite of the parish that you are registered in.

  • @davidfigueroa8188

    @davidfigueroa8188

    4 жыл бұрын

    Douglas Livingstone Lol you’re wrong dude. Nobody has to “receive communion once a year in their own rite”.

  • @belvedere261
    @belvedere2617 жыл бұрын

    l have been to the ukrainian catholic church in wolverhampton england it was the litiurgy of st john of chrysostom

  • @dpnnsdonna2402
    @dpnnsdonna24024 жыл бұрын

    The voice of a priest is not clear.

  • @Strohkopfs
    @Strohkopfs6 ай бұрын

    Cherubikon at 38:50

  • @silentleopard1
    @silentleopard19 жыл бұрын

    Is that the real shroud of Turin or a copy ?????

  • @jackcimino8822

    @jackcimino8822

    9 жыл бұрын

    It's a replica

  • @silentleopard1

    @silentleopard1

    9 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your response my friend !

  • @OrthoAutist
    @OrthoAutist2 жыл бұрын

    Uniatism an excellent example of politics trumping faith I invite all Catholics especially in like of the recent moto prpouo to come home to Holy Orthodoxy.

  • @MrWackypackages

    @MrWackypackages

    2 жыл бұрын

    nah

  • @edulopb1487

    @edulopb1487

    Жыл бұрын

    Nop ❤️‍🔥🇻🇦

  • @WedgeBob
    @WedgeBob10 жыл бұрын

    This certainly is quite a traditional Divine Liturgy for sure. Just sad that the better Divine Liturgies are in Ukrainian language. English-language DLs can tend to be a bit mleh. Usually recited, and use no incense. If only reading Cyrillic wasn't a headache, and learning conversational Ukrainian to understand the Homily, Epistle, and Gospel would also have been useful. Seems that I'd better see if Rosetta Stone'll be of any help. :)

  • @robinalanfuller6361

    @robinalanfuller6361

    10 жыл бұрын

    It is not likely Rosetta can help you much, they only have Russian, not Ukrainian, sadly. My mother, having been born in Russia, taught this to me as a kid. I married a Ukrainian lady in 1991, and she too spoke Russian at the time. Ukrainian was just not being taught then due to Soviet rules. NOW we have 19 daughters who have been taught in English and Ukrainian in their school in Crimea, and NOT in Russian..makes life rather complicated. I never learned the Ukrainian church as my mum was Russian, and Orthodox, not Roman Catholic.

  • @WedgeBob

    @WedgeBob

    9 жыл бұрын

    Robin Alan Fuller Agreed. I'm getting somewhat better with Liturgical Ukrainian day by day. Still stuck in "Ruthenian Slavonic" mode myself, and still too used to Prostopinije Chant (being a parishioner of a Ruthenian Cathedral). However, with a Ukrainian Cathedral a mile away from us, I find myself wishing I'd learn just as much with Festal Galician Chant and modern Ukrainian along with it. Nice that two Cathedrals with very similar traditions are that close together. Also, nice that the Ukrainian Cathedral is due to receive a new bishop in November, too...should be nice.

  • @maxkol4380

    @maxkol4380

    9 жыл бұрын

    Robin Alan Fuller Your English is perfect.

  • @felicciasc

    @felicciasc

    6 жыл бұрын

    Get a Ukrainian Girlfriend. Just hold on tight while you learn.

  • @rmarkwallace

    @rmarkwallace

    4 жыл бұрын

    Some parishes use English more than others. The Ruthenian and Melkite Rites are more into English than the Ukrainian Rite. My parish, Saint Nicholas in Danbury Connecticut only uses English. It is Ruthenian. Forget Rosetta, the traditional languages are archaic forms, not contemporary usage.

  • @777mmtcatholic
    @777mmtcatholic Жыл бұрын

    For

  • @777mmtcatholic
    @777mmtcatholic Жыл бұрын

    Chaka texts me be my girlfriend partner meets me offline comes to my house 🏠 😌 ☺️ 🤗 🙃 🙄 🏠 😌 ☺️ 🤗 🙃 🙄 🏠 we go shopping 🛍 ❤️ ♥️ 🎶 💙 together ❤️ 🎶 💙

  • @hedgefund9892
    @hedgefund989210 жыл бұрын

    Evlogia :)

  • @bojko133
    @bojko13311 жыл бұрын

    must be Ісусу Христу , перепрошую

  • @carlkennedy687
    @carlkennedy6877 жыл бұрын

    Just

  • @777mmtcatholic
    @777mmtcatholic Жыл бұрын

    Money fir a xbox tv car 🚗 👌 😳 😐

  • @MattSimeone
    @MattSimeone10 жыл бұрын

    Jeremiah 14:11 "So the LORD said to me, 'Do not pray for the welfare of this people.'" What a loving God!!!

  • @VinylToVideo

    @VinylToVideo

    9 жыл бұрын

    You again? Are you seriously going around on every Christian video you can find posting a bunch of random out of context one sentence verses out of the whole book of the bible? What is this verse relevant to? Honestly dude, get a life.

  • @DavidYoungDeepInTheCode

    @DavidYoungDeepInTheCode

    9 жыл бұрын

    VinylToVideo It's a pattern of behavior that I can't understand. Those who are militant atheists make the purpose of their lives bashing God, belief in God, those who believe in God, etc. They spend their time thinking about how to refute the claims of the existence of a being who, to them (supposedly) is no more real than the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. How ridiculous is that? If you don't believe, then fine. Feel free to tell people trying to convert you that you're not interested. But engaging in the above behavior is a sign of, at the least, a deep-seated insecurity. I have my beliefs, but I'm probably not going to convince anyone else based on mean-spirited KZread comments. This is about ridiculing and shaming people who disagree, and also getting to feel like a little snowflake because you think that those who believe are stupid. So it's clearly not about "raising awareness". It's about pride. What I dion't understand is that this guy ^^ is not stupid. He and his brother are actually famous (at least Internet famous) and have posted a video that poses legitimate questions (kzread.info/dash/bejne/qomppLayncy8aLQ.html) about God. The kind of dialogue that could result from that is much more productive than being hateful.

  • @DavidYoungDeepInTheCode

    @DavidYoungDeepInTheCode

    9 жыл бұрын

    VinylToVideo Yesterday I posted the above comment, and while I stand by what I think about truly militant atheists, I don't know that I think this guy fits that model. My guess is that he's an agnostic who may well be searching for truth. It's pretty easy to misunderstand the Bible. Some of the original Christians even thought that the God of the Hebrew Bible was not the same one as Jesus was talking about due to the sometimes harsh treatment that were called for against the enemies of the Israelites or transgressors in their own community. Also, some of the statements in Leviticus are particularly hard to believe - such as the apparent death penalty for teenagers who disrespect parents, etc. Many Christian scholars today, often with the assistance of Jewish Torah commentaries, understand that many of these prescriptions were not so literal, but were intended to show the level of God's displeasure with certain activities. The oral Torah, much of which was later written in the Talmud and Mishnah, explains that (for instance) God did not actually intend for parents to kill their own disrespectful children, but that such behavior was so intolerable in the eyes of God (as well all know, children were called to honor their parents) that this phrasing was a way to convey that. Indeed, I recall reading that this was so well understood in ancient times that such punishments were never actually used. Apart from this clarification, it would easy to assume that ancient Israelites actually did all of these things, but this is apparently not the case. At any rate - didn't intend to write a book here - maybe Keith Hodge simply has a hard time reconciling what seems to be a cruel God with what Christians know as a loving God. As a Christian, I always have to watch myself and try not to judge others. Jesus said that if we do not judge, we will not be judged. I think that's a pretty strong case for giving people the benefit of the doubt about intentions when they're not absolutely clear. We should always see ourselves, as St. Paul did, as the "chief of all sinners" and not be too hard on those who perhaps haven't been taught correctly or have not been given the gift of faith. God meets us where we are, so we should try to do the same to others.

  • @maxkol4380

    @maxkol4380

    9 жыл бұрын

    ***** It stems from self-loathing. They hate themselves and they hate anything right, good, or beautiful.

  • @DavidYoungDeepInTheCode

    @DavidYoungDeepInTheCode

    9 жыл бұрын

    MaxKol That makes sense. VinylToVideo After doing some searching, I don't think that Keith Hodge is the real Keith Hodge (that's internet famous). I watched some of their videos and I don't think that he would bother trolling Christians; he was brought up Baptist, though he may not be religious now.

  • @angelagabriel5874
    @angelagabriel58742 жыл бұрын

    Cathoric...??? Orthodox !

  • @kh3243

    @kh3243

    Жыл бұрын

    Are both the same thing, not the greek churches

  • @angelagabriel5874

    @angelagabriel5874

    Жыл бұрын

    Ah, it is Orthodox Cathoric church, isn't it?

  • @kh3243

    @kh3243

    Жыл бұрын

    @@angelagabriel5874 This liturgy was offered by Catholic Church of Ukraine, which is byzantine rited, but fully catholic. Being catholic, It is then orthodox by definition, not in eclesiastical way, this church is not part of the churches alined with Constantinople. Then, this is Catholic, then It is also orthodox by definition

  • @angelagabriel5874

    @angelagabriel5874

    Жыл бұрын

    The denominations I formerly studied are divided into three main categories. Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant. Catholicism belongs to the Pope, and Orthodoxy belongs to each diocese. However, I studied that Bulgaria, Ukraine, or any of the Orthodox churches are recognized by the Pope, that is, they are both Orthodox and Catholic too. So I thought of the previous answer. And I love the Liturgy of the Slavic Church or Gregorian chant. Of course their are better Дмитро Бортнянського.

  • @kh3243

    @kh3243

    Жыл бұрын

    @@angelagabriel5874 This liturgy is from a church that belongs to the Pope. Catholic Church is One church formed by 24 autocephalous churches that are organized by papal primacy, but most of them self govern, some not, and 7 of that churches are patriarchal, catholic have 7 patriarchs The orthodox church belongs to a patriarch or archbishop, of an autocephalous church, in the way you say, every catholic belongs to each diocese too. Catholic Church considers itself as orthodox un the definition, but is not in communion with greek churches, but recognized authentic bishop succesion. Greek orthodox church considers itself as catholic as universal meaning but is not in communion with Catholic Church, and I dont know if they recognize catholic bishops, but all I saw is hate, blasphemy, blame, insults and even considers we as the worst, even than pagans. I dont know if all them are that fanatics, however this liturgy is from a papal church

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