Alright let me have your ammo

@sway696

Жыл бұрын

Yep I’ll take some too.😂

@slavsupreme5129

Жыл бұрын

Thirds here

@vicdiaz5180

Жыл бұрын

My ammo cans are saying hello 👋

@joshcarlson9352

Жыл бұрын

Molon labe?

@bossboydeuce

Жыл бұрын

Lol

"How I rationalized buying a .308 spear to add to my amazing collection", by Tim.

@dilldowschwagginz2674

Жыл бұрын

The Ruger SFAR has been good for me so far

@frankcastle4435

Жыл бұрын

And you Sfar is just as good as the Sig Spear and half the cost. I like Mac but most folks can’t afford an Sig Spear. I take the Sfar all day

@stevem4783

Жыл бұрын

@@frankcastle4435 Half? It's like 1/6th the cost. Sig is ridiculous. Big time QC issues, but hey, at least you pay a crazy premium for it.

@akilfahd

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@walk_spin_glide

11 ай бұрын

That shit would make them trynto take weapons away again

I never understood this just one gun argument. It’s like telling a mechanic he must choose only 1 wrench.

@user-pe3mp6nx5e

2 ай бұрын

Nice counter argument.

@slavikarlov

2 ай бұрын

A wrench cost $5

@sword-and-shield

Ай бұрын

Yeah, its just another tool. There is no "VS" just different tools with strength's and weaknesses. Knowing the what, when, where, and why for tool choice is the key, like most jobs needing tools for that matter.. The vid makes strong points for the improper decisions concerning the main purpose of 5.56

@10essee10titans

Ай бұрын

they're expensive? lol. and someone trained well on one gun will be better, regardless of gun, on the average person with multiple. ultimately it comes down to a hobby and what are preferences

@sword-and-shield

Ай бұрын

@@10essee10titans Mastering one tool is far easier, for acquiring mastery of said tool, but one thing life has reinforced to me many times over is, having one damn tool never gets ALL of the jobs done in life, regardless of mastery.

5.56, 300 AAC, and .308. My holy trinity for reloading and stock piling. 5.56 brass feeds the AAC (I convert it) and I get most for free at the local range. The 110 -150 grain .308 bullets feed both the 300AAC and .308. Same 30 caliber cans for all 3.

@x0xCRUSHERx0x

6 ай бұрын

BIG SMART!

@burtonkephart6239

6 ай бұрын

Daaaang didn’t think of that!! I have 308 in bolt action , 300 BO in AR and 556 in mini 14. Have stocked up on all but 308. I don’t reload though but good idea .

@mortem-tyrannis

6 ай бұрын

Noice

@Censoredagain7881

6 ай бұрын

The 300 BO is a .308 round with just a little less powder. What I like about the .308 round in a bolt action or an AR is the huge variety of bullets weights. From 120 grain to 220 grain. + or -.

@tommylitchfield3450

5 ай бұрын

@@Censoredagain7881 The 300 does not have "just a little less powder" than the .308. The 300 has less than half the powder capacity. BIG difference there.

Yeah but for 99% of us the 5.56 is the most economical and practical general purpose cartridge. Just buy a bolt action .308 for taking deer and keep the light weight, universal standard AR15 handy for SHTF.

@freethinkingamerican80

Жыл бұрын

Hard to argue with this

@elcidgranada3549

Жыл бұрын

@@freethinkingamerican80 true xD

@steelwall99

Жыл бұрын

Why a bolt .308 when you could get a pa10 for not much and have a semi auto .308.

@PMMcIntyre

Жыл бұрын

@@steelwall99 Accuracy. My CZ 550 American is much more accurate than any semi-auto at 400-800 yards. With the scope that I have and the set trigger, I can achieve sub-MOA at those distances that are just not possible in a semi-auto platform without spending a ton of money.

@boomerisadog3899

Жыл бұрын

​@@steelwall99 I'm with you on the semiautomatic .308 over a bolt gun. The PA-10 is an awesome low cost option but they are pretty heavy compared to most hunting oriented bolt guns. The Ruger SFAR, if it holds up well over the next few years, may end up filling that battle rifle sized hole in my safe.

I wish I was financially rich enough where I can even consider paying for something more expensive than 9mm or 223/556.

@phillipcraddock8248

Жыл бұрын

AMEN my thoughts also

@DasGoodSoup

Жыл бұрын

Im thinking of a bolt 308 24" barrel but that would be a real wrench in my logistics atm

@richb.4374

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@bintjbeil7892

Жыл бұрын

7.62x39: 😭

@angrygnome6913

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this was literally just a bragging video

I agree. If you are forced to move out to a rural property for safety during civil unrest a 7.62 makes sense for bringing in some food and defence. I like that you said avoiding a gunfight is better than an all out firefight.

@rosomak8244

7 ай бұрын

Gunfights are a "group sport". When you are on your own a bigger caliber is way more practical.

@lohikarhu734

6 ай бұрын

a friend of mine lived in rural Tennessee, and he pointed out that the fenceposts along hi driveway made good range points...I recollect that he figured that suggesting that someone "stay away" was preferable to CQB... I believe that he found 7.62 NATO was quite convincing, and. 22LR was quiet enough to not attract attention, but enough for small game and birds.... one gun? nope.

@PlayingWithFireOutdoors

4 ай бұрын

@@lohikarhu734 In Canada no suppressed rifles/handguns, but a subsonic round yup! I haven't jumped on the 300 BO bandwagon yet, but the 8.6 BLK looks VERY interesting.

@jordendavid8992

3 ай бұрын

@@rosomak8244plus you shouldn’t be venturing towards areas where you think extended fighting might happen

After many gunfights in Iraq, I will stick with my 5.56. Never had a problem in windy days in war or a range. And now with interchangeable uppers, I have a tool box.

@USAVET11B20

10 ай бұрын

been there myself and I totally agree

@justinbang6025

10 ай бұрын

Probably because you used 77 grain with a 1:7 barrel standard military issue. Much more stable

@Bristecom

10 ай бұрын

@@justinbang6025 Yep, a quality heavier grain longer bullet (like 77 grain) with the proper twist rate should give acceptable results.

@sicottish

10 ай бұрын

@@justinbang6025 nope...5 deployments. 62gr green tip, 1:7, 16in barrel. Quit overthinking it.

@michaelparton3493

9 ай бұрын

I use the M855 green tip with a 20” barrel for hunting wild hogs, absolutely devastating round, so far all one shot kills on multiple hogs.

Like others have said, it isn't like I'm attached to 5.56 but for the cost, it's great. I'm not about to buy 1000 rounds of anything else.

@Fadaar

Жыл бұрын

It's slowly getting to the point that buying 300 by the case isn't absurdly expensive. The problem is you'll be getting supersonic rounds for those prices ($0.45-0.50 per). Subsonics are still twice the price of the cheapest 5.56/223.

@mattwalters6834

Жыл бұрын

The cost and performance ratio, it’s great for me; the tests that they’ve done on it are very impressive!

@davelpz3340

Жыл бұрын

7.62x39 is not that expensive.

@TheDiameter

Жыл бұрын

@@Fadaar.300blk? Disgusting.

@davidhartley6232

Жыл бұрын

​@@FadaarThe problem with the "bulk" 300BO is that it's the 308 150g pills in them. The 150g bullet is crap for 300BO. You want the 110~124g for supers and 220g for subs... Secondly; subsonic 300BO out of a 16" bbl goes supersonic, and supersonic 300BO out of a 9" bbl has crap ballistics.

Back in the mid 80's, I invested so heavily in the .308 and 5.56, that now, it would be financially crazy to me to switch to anything else! And to be honest, both calibers have served me well. Great video, brother!

@michaelball760

Жыл бұрын

A family member did that with .308 in the 80's and 90's. With today's prices, he could possibly retire a millionaire selling it 😂

@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423

Жыл бұрын

I can't go anything else bc that's what I got 5.56, it's good all around and hasn't failed me, I get the quiet part with .300 sub but after that I can't justify switching from 5.56

@JT15C

Жыл бұрын

@@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423throw a $200 300blk upper in your arsenal… prob solved

@aintchorrollmodel182

11 ай бұрын

@@JT15C and a reloading press

@Rick-ux5ku

2 ай бұрын

@@JT15C prefer a 300 hamr.

The Wal-Mart here no longer sells 223-5.56 and has not done so for 2-3 years. Randleman, NC

@darklight4815

3 ай бұрын

Same here in SC ....none of the "scary" calibers

@stephenwinchester6668

2 ай бұрын

They still sell 7.62x51 here (Houston)

@robertdaone

Ай бұрын

Wally World sucks azz. They do not want to have anything to do with the back, scary gun. They even got rid of 9mm ammo.

I love your home setup with the range right out the back window. It looks like heaven to me.

@i.j.f.2200

2 ай бұрын

With the fudd rules posted on the wall lol

And it’s only $8000, double stamped (+$400) and sold in VERY limited numbers… Great recommendation!

@REPR100

Жыл бұрын

Hide the money y’all, there’s poor people around

@willo7734

Жыл бұрын

You must be new here. This is youtube, where everybody has endless arsenals and ammo. There’s also the Ruger SFAR which works great for a 308 rifle at 1/8 the cost.

@vTRage

Жыл бұрын

He’s full of shit. And trying to pump sales for his shop. That’s it.

@ToastbackWhale

Жыл бұрын

Then choose a different rifle. This isn't a rifle recommendation, it's an opinion piece.

@joebarcala8460

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha. My thoughts exactly

I had held out on getting a 556 ar. One thing you need to consider is 9mm and 556/223 are statistically the most widely owned rounds in United States households, in SHTF. That’s something to be strongly considered.

@OdhinnAwake

Жыл бұрын

There won't be an SHTF. There'll be a bunch of tough talking internet war heroes who fall like flies to Fed infiltrated "militias."

@musicman1eanda

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I bought an AR in 300blk and it was my only AR for over 3 years. I eventually switched to 556 because EVERYBODY has it and I got tired of reloading 300blk. Buying ammo is so much more satisfying.

@litsci4690

11 ай бұрын

Only if you're too stupid not to have stocked your own ammo.

@jeepinintexas6215

11 ай бұрын

​@@musicman1eandaand with an AR, a simple upper receiver swap is all that's necessary.

@imafreakinhistorian2169

11 ай бұрын

308 not far behind

I think it's a good thing to have an assortment of guns for different purposes that shoot different calibers. If for some reason we end up in an apocalyptic type setting, you're going to want a gun that shoots 556 and 9mm for self-defense because it's going to be easiest to find stockpiles of that ammo, so these are still going to be the primary go to guns for a long long time.

@burtonkephart6239

6 ай бұрын

Indeed!! I’m not crazy about 556 either but have it in one rifle with well under 1000 rnds stock. Plus the 9mm I have in many pistols in over 1000 rnds. Plus 30 carbine similar and 300 BO similar and then 308 with hardly only a few rnds. But overall I think those are all common calibers that may be possible to obtain it trade

@bigtechnazis3554

4 ай бұрын

Nato rounds in general if located in western nations. NATO rounds consists of 5.56 NATO/223 Remington, 7.62x51 NATO/308 Winchester, 9x19 NATO/9mm Luger. If your located in the United States 45ACP is also very common.

@notsure7874

4 ай бұрын

@@bigtechnazis3554 45acp was common in the 80's. I see more 10mm than 45acp, and 20+ years ago it was 40 s&w. What I learned during the most recent shortages - is that the NATO calibers are gone first, and could be the last to come back. They have to fill govt contracts before they fill store shelves I guess. Also everybody with a swingin trigger finger is hunting it down to hoard. You know what I did see is random weird stuff you might find your grandpas hunting rifle chambered in. You could find 7mm08 or 243 a lot easier than 5.56 or 308. All the "easy to find because theres so much of it" ammo was GONE. But that's kind of irrelevant, you should have a ton of that stuff BEFORE there's a problem.

@daftpanda6533

4 ай бұрын

@matthewsalomone It's likely you will be able to just pick up someone elses 5.56 and 9mm bc they tried to attack your defensive position when you have a .308 (or bigger) and can neutralize them at greater range. I figure normal decent folks will band together to form communities (and defend them) where less scrupulous people will likely band together to take from others.

I am pretty new at this but from the first advertisement I saw for the Sig 716i Tread, I had to have it. Now, after hearing what you said I am more convinced than ever I made the right choice. I live in Oregon so I think I was thinking more on the lines of self-defense when I bought it. I can't wait until dear season opens to get some real use of it. Haven't done that since being a kid with my Dad. I am now 73.

The 308 has been my go to general purpose rifle for 40 years. It does what it does pretty well and one thing not mentioned is barrel life. The ideal if you can afford it would be to have a 5.56 and 308-both ammo types are available just about anywhere.

@PureCountryof91

Жыл бұрын

​@@raykettel1837nah. I bought an Adam's arms piston.308. 1300 back in 2018

@davidnancarrow6158

Жыл бұрын

@@raykettel1837 I never owned a 5.56 although I was issued one...an M16A1 built by the Hydramatic division of General Motors. Was not impressed with its range but all we had was the M193 ball. Todays stuff is supposed to be better.

@rascalmatt6713

Жыл бұрын

@@davidnancarrow6158 77 grain OTM's are the business. I get 0.5" routinely with my Noveske SPR. This is just IMI military long range ammo. My screen icon is a 0.4" 5 shot group i shot with said Noveske SPR. I hit a milk jug at 1,000 yards in 3 shots with that rifle. Today i hit a milk jug in 5 shots with that ammo and my DDM4V11Pro. At 800 yards with the DDM4V11Pro (18" STW barrel) you're looking at 1,195fps and 244 ft/lbs of energy. That's still super sonic and that will penetrate your skull or thorax easily and kill you. You'd develop a pneumothorax at a minimum if hit in the chest and vital vessels/organs were missed.

@johnjanik1430

Жыл бұрын

Amen! If I could only have one rifle it would be a .308 (and I live in Alaska!). I have two, one of which is a good old fashioned M-14.

@mandarinandthetenrings2201

Жыл бұрын

Think the new round the 6.8 using "True Velocity" polymer cased ammo. It has a same power of a 6.8 but uses 20% less gunpower with same velocity as a brass case ammo. That one that think has the most potential.

Good case made, and a good discussion of your decision. The main reason why the military went to 5.56 was the extra ammo, lower recoil and lighter weight. As a man and an experienced shooter you're unlikely to meet a situation where you're going to need a ton of ammunition or have too much trouble carrying a .308 weapon.

Great info, practical, thought out and it makes so much sense, as someone who is originally a WY native now in TX, wind and long-distance shots are sooo much easier withg th.308 or an awt-6 for sure. Thanks

“I had to shoot deer to feed my family during covid because meat was expensive.” “I recommend a spear or scar in .308.”

@cptnscoob

11 ай бұрын

Right?? Lemme use my 5 grand rifle to save 30 cents instead of using a 500 dollar bolt action hunting rifle like every other normal person

@dub123boy

11 ай бұрын

​@@cptnscoobHe should recommend a SFAR.

@kevmoful

11 ай бұрын

Out of touch to say the least . Wealthy people just forget what normal is after a while.

@Deadi12

11 ай бұрын

Did you miss the part where he said one rifle? Sure you can have a different rifle for every purpose, but that wasn't the point of this video.

@BobBobinski425

11 ай бұрын

@@Deadi12 Apparently you and your room temp IQ missed the point I was making

I love the 308, practical for many uses. I live in the Appalachian mountains, and would almost never shoot past 200 yards...most deer are shot around 50 yards around here. My AR chambered in 7.62x39 is a perfect deer gun for this area. I'd love to have a place to shoot longer ranges. Your battle rifle is very nice. Most of us would have to take out a personal loan to get one of those.

@ArizonaBlazer

Жыл бұрын

You got an AR chambered in 7.62? That is, like, an AGGRESSIVELY anti AK purchase. 😂 I don't understand it.

@vicnighthorse

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaBlazer My first AR-15 in '93 or '94 was in 7.62x39. If you were a soldier (or former) comfortable with the M16 and wanted to hunt deer with a semi-auto, it made some sense. There really wasn't much of a choice of chamberings back then - maybe just the two - I don't clearly remember. Mine was a factory Colt and unfortunately I never got it to feed as reliably as I would have liked.

@Ben-ry1py

Жыл бұрын

@@vicnighthorse Nice, I think they've come a long ways since the 90s. I have a ks47 from PSA that takes AK mags.

@tskirchman

Жыл бұрын

I love my AR in 7.62x39. It packs a punch and works great for me here in the mountains of NC.

@Ben-ry1py

Жыл бұрын

@@ArizonaBlazer Don't understand? It's the best of both worlds. The ergonomics and accuracy of the AR with the better cartridge of the AK. I like AKs, but I'm certainly not a purist. I might get one one day just for fun, but I'll take my KS47 from PSA over an AK every day.

Saiga 7.62x39 for me! Some people have put 350,000+ rounds through their Saiga and its still going strong. Great video

@charlesshoemaker3622

9 ай бұрын

It may still function but I bet the accuracy is poor at that round count.

@dondineen110

5 ай бұрын

Simply NO. An AK action can not last 350K rounds. Who could afford that much ammo.

@Sam_the_Sham_and_the_Pharoahs

4 ай бұрын

I love my Saigas. I have two, one 20" 7.62x39mm that I replaced the FCG to a standard AKM trigger, bullet guide but kept the original front sight and no brake. And I have a 16" 5.45x39mm that is the same way, AKM trigger group, Saiga front brake. But the 16" is my baby. Easily the best rifle I own. I even like it better than my Galil Ace Gen2 in 5.45. Which is like an AKM on steroids, milled receiver, pic top rail, left hand charging handle, and buffered recoil spring. The Saiga still holds it own with it.

@user-pe3mp6nx5e

2 ай бұрын

@COLOWYOWATCHMAN I totally agree 👍. Can't beat 7.62x39mm AKM for all purpose, if you could only have 1 rifle!! Hunt, fight, last forever, cheap ammo!

@user-pe3mp6nx5e

2 ай бұрын

​@charlesshoemaker3622 an AR might last 3000 to 5000 rounds. An AKM will last much longer. Plus piston driven rifles are superior and the ammo is cheaper!!! Lights, lasers, optics and other Gucci crap won't make you a better shooter/warrior. 😂😂😂

With the history of 5.56 in many war zones, it is hard to believe it could not suffice for any of my self protection needs. Use a bolt action precision rifle in a larger caliber for hunting or as a sniper rifle if it ever came to that.

@miked.7722

7 ай бұрын

Yep- I have a .308 Savage Scout Rifle with 18" barrel and 3x9 Nikon scope which is plenty accurate for hunting at medium and shorter distances, I also have a SA Saint Victor in .556 with 1x4 scope. I wouldn't mind having a semiautomatic .308 but the Savage will do me fine for hunting and or longer range SHTF. If I had to settle on just one gun I would have a tough time choosing even though I like the idea of the 308 I can carry so much more ammo in .556/223

@lazzerbassdrop8585

6 ай бұрын

Obviously, but this video is about having one gun for shtf. He needs to protect his family and hunt deer with that one weapon.

@Ungood-jl5ep

5 ай бұрын

@@lazzerbassdrop8585 a very asinine concept in the United States circa 2024.

@lazzerbassdrop8585

5 ай бұрын

@@Ungood-jl5ep cool story bro

@slimeyslug12

5 ай бұрын

@@Ungood-jl5ep How is that asinine? We already live in a fallen state if you haven't noticed. SHTF is the only logical conclusion to the leftist satanic agenda.

I live in northern Minnesota. I hunted whitetail with 30-30 lever rifles when I was a kid with mixed success. I got a .308 bolt action when I was in my 30's. Since then it has been one bullet equals one deer. The long range capability and the knock down power is proven. BTW I was in my thirties 40 years ago.

@dennisleighton2812

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, IF you have a single use for a rifle in mind - hunting. I hunted for many years with a Musgrave Vrystaat .270 Win, and never regretted it. It was lethal, even with my modest skill level. But, most of these discussions revolve around more diverse needs, which require other capabilities as well!

@winstonjones7519

11 ай бұрын

Great advice sir. I am a .308 fan too.

@bobhill3941

11 ай бұрын

Dad's story mirrors yours except he used a Winchester 88.

@BobBobinski425

11 ай бұрын

I’ve always been a 12ga slug kinda guy for deer, but here in Northern Wisconsin I hunt some pretty thick woods that allows for that kind of close range.

@bobhill3941

11 ай бұрын

@@BobBobinski425 Dad mostly hunted in Muskoka in Northern Ontario (a little in New York State) it was close too within 50 yards. He only used his 1100 with slugs in the shotgun only areas.

In my area, outside of towns, it’s very hard to get a shot beyond 100 yards due to hills and heavily forested areas. The only other exception would be if you were trying to shoot across someone’s pasture. 5.56 works fine here.

@user-mn8lz7gf6d

Жыл бұрын

roads my man

@pumpybenis3122

Жыл бұрын

So you are saying you will never leave "your area?" The US has a drastic topographic change in very little distance. Don't silo yourself.

@josephmeador1529

Жыл бұрын

@@pumpybenis3122 I live in a similar area ... I can go a yard into the treeline and you'd never know I was there. I can get by with a 12 Gauge, a folding knife, and a lighter. I can't think of any reason I'd want to go away from areas with water, abundant game, and edible plants, and try to go across Kansas or the Mojave. I got two does and 3 fawns, a rabbit warren, and a groundhog family nesting in the blackberry thickets in my backyard. I could take them with a baseball bat. Y'all can keep your "wide open spaces".

@litsci4690

11 ай бұрын

Weak, even with a 20" barrel. Ask those who've been in combat.

I bought a 6.5 Grendel upper years ago and found the rifle much more useful and interesting, it's a fun cartridge to reload for also.

@theoverunderthinker

7 ай бұрын

yeah. Grendel is pretty good. especially if you reload.

@PlayingWithFireOutdoors

6 ай бұрын

@johnparrish9215 It's a great round, I too am a huge fan of it's properties.

@Censoredagain7881

6 ай бұрын

The thing is, in a SHTF scenario, if you aren't reloading your own ammo or have it stock piled, it will be hard to come by. I have a 6.5 Grendel and a 458 socom. But won't be good if I can't go to the store and buy the ammo for it?? That's the question. I always try to stick with what the military is using. That way, if the SHTF you will always have ammo around.

@theoverunderthinker

6 ай бұрын

@@Censoredagain7881 1) we are not in the SHTF scenario 2) you don't have to only have one or the other. prepare for the worst, but that doesn't mean you can't live your life not every firearm choice has top be 100% practical. you make a good point, but my response it : shoot what you like as well as what is practical; have some fun also; strike the right balance for you!

@jimmyvollman7596

5 ай бұрын

@@Censoredagain7881 Keep a 556 upper around in case the SHTF. Bolt and all. Switch them if you run out of Grendel.

Definitely agree. Always wondered what the 300 savage would be like today in a similar platform. It was thought of as a military cartridge and was a bit ahead if its time. Now long faded away it seems to me it would fill a gap between a blackout and 308 and work well in short barrels.

@deadmeat8754

8 ай бұрын

The 300 Savage actually inspired the 308/762. However, the 300 Savage features much lower pressures and a shorter neck, limiting commercial ammunition capabilities below that of the 308/762. The 308/762 would maintain it's advantages over the 300 Savage regardless of barrel length. Also, the 300 Savage cartridge dimensions would have required a similarly sized action as the 308/762. With an adjustable gas system, or a bolt action the 308/762 can be light loaded to mimic the 300 savage if comfort, or application required.

556 is very available and carry weight is less than 300 blk out or 308. Toss up would be 7.62x39 (IMO) the best intermediate cartridge, just as good if not better than 300 blk out and available, cheaper and goes bang even when wet for weeks or months...even years...can be in AR, AK, SKS, and shoots very well (sub MOA) in my Ruger American Ranch using 5, 10, 20 and even 30rd Ruger Mini 30 mags.

@RacerJim0

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately I found that milsurp 7.62x39 can’t last 15 years in a damp location in an ammo can with a hole in it…. But that the powder and bullets from it can be reloaded into new primered cases and fired just as good.

@DasGoodSoup

Жыл бұрын

@@RacerJim0why dont you literally put the new cans under water and put bricks on top of them and come back in 3 days and see if theres a drop inside them

@tedhodge4830

Жыл бұрын

7.62x39 and .300 both have bad to mediocre ballistics across the board. .300 just costs 2 to 3 times as much and you can put it in an ar.

@Saabotage05

Жыл бұрын

Seriously, I feel like 7.62x39 is underlooked a lot more than it should be in the AR platform. I love my Windham SRC after throwing some fun aftermarket stuff at it. Being Norma and Freedom Munitions is now manufacturing brass ammo at under 50 cents a round I'm not certain why more people aren't jumping on it.

@jameslee4328

Жыл бұрын

Even at intermediate 77gr 556 works decently in a shtf situation. My only reason to have 300blk is subsonic. 556 like you said is lighter cheaper and easier to find than the others, and when compared to others they only ever use 55 or 62gr. 77gr does pretty well. A 2 legged varmint stealing food isn't nearly as tough as a buck.

I have always liked .308. It seems that several companies have worked out the issues that the AR-10 has had, so it is more appealing in that respect also.

@tedarcher9120

Жыл бұрын

Why 308 tho?

@christofonobrown3659

Жыл бұрын

@@tedarcher9120wealth of knowledge regarding reloading for a start. Solid for hunting most things within 600 yards. Plenty of firearms to choose from.

@SlowMenWorking

Жыл бұрын

Yeah been thinking of getting the Ruger SFAR. I want a lightweight .308 that won't break the bank

@scottyh.6992

Жыл бұрын

@@tedarcher9120 For me, I have a good supply of it, and it is easy to find right now, I find pretty good deals on .308 regularly.

@heroinmom153

11 ай бұрын

We have an M14. Proven track record, reliability, and power. It's my go-to. That .308 is pure power.

I had already changed my thinking to the 308/7.62. The availability of ammunition and the overall ballistics of the 308 compared to the 5.56 changed my thinking and your video was the " icing on the cake"

After many many many rifles over the years I think I have found my "only gun you need". Its a 10.5 inch PSA KS-47 SBR with a 30 cal Nomad on the end (double tax stamp) and a swamp fox 1x6 lpvo on top. Out to 300 yards its a beast. Small, Light, Takes AK Mags, and shoots the 7.62x39 in the body of an AR.

@dinadaughtry8993

7 ай бұрын

nice choice but I like the 16 inch AR 15 in the 7.62-39 pretty much the same thing but uses AR magazine made for the 7.62 and the 20 round magazine is not as long and bulky, great round for 150 yards and good for anything except maybe bear, moose

@rascalmatt6713

2 ай бұрын

@@dinadaughtry8993 bad choice. The extractors break often.

"You know since I own a lot of super cars and mostly drive on long straight roads I've decided that, really, 93 octane is the fuel that works best for me. There is 100 octane but the conversion kits for that aren't even available to the public yet so for now it's 93. 87 just doesn't make sense for me anymore...." Cool story bro.

@GoongisKahn

Жыл бұрын

Rich kid problems

I think the biggest issue here is that people are not being realistic on the many different forms a true SHTF might look like. I've always told people that if things went downhill you'd probably need to shoot pigeons that roost under a bridge in a city to eat with a 24-28" shotgun before you get into combat against others with a rifle. Keep this in mind when considering the ammo you stock up on.

@michaelblacktree

Жыл бұрын

Good point. In a survival scenario, your main concern will of course be surviving. And that means finding food. People like to fantasize about getting into gunfights. But if you're getting into gunfights, you're not gonna live very long.

@chrisruthford4492

Жыл бұрын

Yep, your main objective will be to avoid gunfights at all costs.

@stevem4783

Жыл бұрын

If the S really hits the F to the point where society has completely collapsed, you are worried about sheer survival, defending your life, and worrying about what you're going to eat on any given day, you are going to be using EVERY gun you own under non-ideal circumstances. I laugh at people that think they can prepare ONE rifle for those kind of circumstances and that it'll do the job. You could have your $4,000 tacti-awesome setup made for defense and hunting and 35,000 rounds stacked up and you get ambushed and surrounded in the open by a group of hungry scavengers with rusty .22s, you're screwed. Then they're going to be the ones with a fancy rifle. The best SHTF rifle is probably a .22 anyway, because it's the only round you can stack up several 10s of thousands of without taking out a second mortgage and you can have a bunch of firearms (levers, revolvers, etc) that fire it without the need for functional mags. Again, when society has collapsed, there are no ideal scenarios.

@manbaby9166

Жыл бұрын

But that does not really explain the need for a deer hunting rifle that can also be used for cqb. If you only need to hunt deer, just get a rifle for deer hunting. You wouldn’t try to turn your 24” bird hunting shotgun into a door breaching shotgun as well right?

@fujimi715

Жыл бұрын

You have to survive the violence enough to shoot down the pigeon. You don't get to choose when others attack you.

You're spot on with those three calibers, I do have the .556/223, 308, and a .243 bolt. Excellent review as always MAC!

@saltysaty8686

10 ай бұрын

Don't list out that crap unless your including the complete list of things you lost in a lake...

Whilst I wouldn't consider this as a reason to go with a completely obscure calibre for a primary rifle, when you did your review of the FK BRNO 7.5 PSD during COVID, you stated that you had no difficulty getting the 7.5 BRNO ammo but that 9mm was scarce and ridiculously expensive so you were using half filled magazines to conserve ammo. In any SHTF conflict those readily available calibres that everyone uses are going to be the first ones to disappear of the shelf. That's why having a stockpile of ammunition initially is important and I would argue that that being the case what calibre you choose should be decided as much upon suitability for your given needs as availability.

Not everyone has 5k for the gun. 2k for the optics. And $2 for match ammo. No way. 556 will forever be here.

@wishonafish

11 ай бұрын

facts

@Holret

11 ай бұрын

Not every who wants a .308 will pay 5K for a rifle. because you can find some for very cheap, in particular bolt action and still very accurate. be a smart shopper instead of a whinny one.

@916medic

11 ай бұрын

Palmetto State Armory has a 308 AR10 for $849. Tula steel case .308 is $11.99. Brown Bear 308 HP, Soft Point same price. But your right a 223/556 is much cheaper and always available. AR-15 is still my go to.

@user-ug5xr2gb6j

11 ай бұрын

@@916medic I was gonna say that. PSA has a 308 upper for around 400 and complete lower for 150 to 200 if your patient.

@alexfernandez4640

11 ай бұрын

@@Holretthe situation the video is about calls for a rifle more effective than a bolt action. He’s not whining, youre being dense

308 has been my "go to for about everything" round for about 11+ years now. Super accurate, plentiful, and decent cost. I've taken two cow elk with it at ranges around 50-125 yards with 165 grain ammo, and two antelope at 250 and 325 yards with 125 grain reduced recoil ammo using a Thompson Center bolt action rifle and a Simmons 3x12 scope. It's a versatile cartridge that's the "right tool" for most jobs. Plus, it's just plain fun to shoot in a Standard M1A, C308, and Bergara B-14 HMR!

:) I have hunting rifles, semi automatic pistols, and shotguns. Recently I purchased a state compliant Ruger 556 autoloading rifle. I believe it is something my wife can handle, as well as me, in a stressful situation. It is decked out with a red dot, forward grip, sling, and light. We are both seniors living the American dream. But I tend to be more pragmatic dealing with the declining moral values of our society. Criminals tend to have more respect for those who return fire. If you keep a variety of guns and ammo on hand to anticipate the different problems of life, you will probably fare well.

It all depends on your circumstances and what type of SHTF scenario you find yourself in. If you have a wife and kids you might choose something different than a guy who doesn’t. Personally, I have a 22lr rifle and pistol for my go to guns. Granted, that’s more of a survival weapon but unless the scenario is a gun battle, it works for me.

@burtonkephart6239

6 ай бұрын

Depends where you live as well aka city or rural. East or west etc

.223/5.56 is more than suffice for what my intended use for these rounds are which is self defense. I am happy that they are in abundance on the store shelves.

@dennisleighton2812

11 ай бұрын

Do you realize just how quickly 12 million scared ,223mm owners will empty gunshop shelves? One day, maybe 2? With the military grabbing TOTAL production, you'll be no better off than other calibres. So, chances are, you'll also be stuck with what you have in your storage, just like everyone else. This dynamic is the major down side of so many people owning guns!

As just a simple civilian I've always picked in order of ammo ubiquity. 12G>9mm>5.56 and I have been wanting a 308 next.

@65stang98

10 ай бұрын

throw in a .22, .38, and .45 you are guaranteed to be able to find ammo for at least one of em.

@randominternetprofile8270

10 ай бұрын

@@65stang98 did you mean.357 so you can use .38 as well

@65stang98

10 ай бұрын

yes sir can do that too. which i have a couple strictly .38s as well. @@randominternetprofile8270

@1fast72nova

10 ай бұрын

12ga > 556 > 9mm Shotgun, rifle, pistol Now I'm deciding 22lr vs 22wmr vs 5.7 ... Any input? I figure need a squirrel and rat gun but with the UN going to 5.7x28 maybe that is a better choice

@65stang98

10 ай бұрын

i have all of them lol 5.7 is cool but not cheap @@1fast72nova

Very good information. I will stick with the 5.56 for the most part and use a bolt action 308 for longer range or hunting situations. I also like the fact you talked about sheltering in place. Very few of us have the cabin in the woods to run to if SHTF and will make our stand at home.

You have probably made the best case I have heard for .308. Definitely have to think about it, especially for the “you can only take one” scenario. There are probably lots of counter points, but I don’t know enough to raise them with any confidence in my arguments.

I came to the same conclusion about a year ago and switched to 308. Long shots here in Arizona and the knock down as well as logistics made 308 a great choice.

@levicole8677

11 ай бұрын

Besides affordability for the average person.

I used to be convinced that 9mm and 5.56 were suboptimal for their respective purposes given the plethora of more powerful options available. However, after years of shooting and learning, I have gained a new appreciation for these cartridges and have gone BACK to using them for my primary guns (from 357 Sig and 300 Blk). They do just about everything you could REALISTICALLY need, without excess weight, recoil, or cost. Sure, I would still want a larger cartridge for hunting, where the idea is to utilize only a single, precise shot. Fortunately, we aren't limited to just one, but if I'm grabbing a rifle for SHTF, 5.56 wins.

As a former SF 18B I have been intrigued with Jeff Cooper and the Scout Rifle concept. I chose the M1A1 Scout Squad version precisely for all the reasons you cited. There’s a reason why golfers carry a bag of clubs. There’s never gonna be one gun for every eventuality. Manage risk and determine the most likely & the most dangerous scenario and make your best worst decision & move on from there…

I've been going around and around in my head what rifle i want and i like the points you make. Thank you

I'm still firmly in camp 6.5 Grendel, thanks in large part to you and your testing. I wish it was cheaper, & more accessible, but I guess preparation helps overcome those problems. I'm also still in love with the XCR, but if I had eyes for another the SIg would be a top contender.

@BullyOG

Жыл бұрын

Love Grendel as well. My favorite rifle caliber.

@robinsok

Жыл бұрын

I have one too and it's a great round. Maybe the best ever designed for the 15 sized platform. But it is expensive, and more problematic, very hard to find most of the time.

@michaelblacktree

Жыл бұрын

I've been seriously looking at 6.5 Grendel. It looks like an excellent alternative to 5.56, but is still in "boutique cartridge" territory. Hopefully it becomes more popular, so the price and availability improve.

@dickfish6045

Жыл бұрын

I love 6.5 grendel but it needs a dedicated ar built for it just like the lwrc 6.8. The magazine reliability just isn’t there.

@ravissary79

Жыл бұрын

It used to be pretty cheap. Import laws seem to have really effected it.

Have always preferred the .308. Ammo is little more expensive but that's a trade off I'm willing to put up with. It's be great seeing more weapons systems coming out for the .308.

@EmmittHill

Жыл бұрын

"LITTLE" more expansive ???

@lrballistics

Жыл бұрын

A little? It's almost twice the price

@Blark3

Жыл бұрын

@@lrballistics You're absolutely right. I've had to change up how I practice because of it. It's also something I like to do so I treat myself to a little extra when I can. I also always have more than enough just in case that I never use.

@PureCountryof91

Жыл бұрын

​@@EmmittHillI was about to buy some for $.60/round..

A shit hits the fan situation will not be like a looter shooter video game. You will not even be able to find 9 mm, 5.56, or 308 on any shelf. It's up to you to stock up whatever caliber you choose and be responsible for transporting it with you.

I had this same bought not too long ago, it’s good to hear all the critical points verbalized!🤙🏻

I've recently switched to 308 due to the same reasons high winds in north west AZ and long distances. I dont have that really nice setup that you have but it is an Aero Precision M5e1 enhanced 16" upper on an M5 lower. I struggle at my local 1000 yard range but I'm new to long range shooting and I'm starting to figure it out. Great video and it all depends on your area/conditions. Happy 4th of July everyone. Party like its 1776 even though its more like 1984. God bless.

@jacktheaviator4938

11 ай бұрын

I have nearly the same build, but I splurged on a carbon fiber barrel. It is a bit expensive, but it gave me the performance of a heavy target barrel without the weight cost. In a situation where we might face an invasion from a hostile nation, they will be wearing body armor, and 308 is the minimum I would bring into a fight against armored targets.

@kennygp2004

11 ай бұрын

@@jacktheaviator4938 dang that is a nice upgrade, especially with the Aero barrels being heavy. I'll have to look into doing that and agree about the body armor. I have level 4 plates front and back in a Ferro Concepts Slickster for now. I still need to get a decent helmet and have been looking into night vision but I'm poor lol

@oldtimefarmboy617

11 ай бұрын

Create a range chart you can carry in your pocket. List distances and scope settings for each one. That way if you have the time to prepare then you can set your scope to get the most accurate shots. Also practice hold overs using a static scope setting for each distance. That way if you do not have time to prepare you can quickly see how far you have to hold over for accurate shot. Specially if the target is on the move.

@jacktheaviator4938

11 ай бұрын

@@kennygp2004 carbon barrels make a HUGE difference in a DMR. They are expensive, but if you have to carry the rifle over rough terrain, it is worth every penny. A decent trigger is the only other real upgrade I can justify. I left the army nearly blind in my left eye thanks to spalling and shrapnel after our Stryker took an RPG, so ambidextrous upgrades are pointless. But that's a personal choice because of my situation. Milage may vary.

7.62x51 is a preferred hunting cartridge for typical hunting distances in Germany. From Red., Fallow and Roe Deer for you get a 30 caliber wound channel with the bullet passing through and the wound channel is not full of hematoma or bloodshot, saving on meat because restaurants that buy your harvest will refuse the carcass because of too much damaged meat from day a 30-06 (7.62x63mm) is too much, unless your shooting a 220gr bullet. But anything under that and you’re gonna be eating that deer yourself. Lol

@ghostwriter1415

11 ай бұрын

It's disturbing that a European country like Germany has wound-standards on the meat it buys for consumption. If the 30 06 is TOO MUCH, that's good because LESS PAIN. Why does the Fatherland wish for the poor animal too suffer? Kraut turd.

Just now came across this video. I've been off the "net" grid for over a year, and, over a year ago I made a 308 AR my "go to". Not one to do everything, but to do most important chores I need done. Rock on!

Thanks for the video. I agree with all your points about the 308 vs 556. IT REALLY HELPED ME CHANGE MY FOCUS.

Shelves are filled with 308. It makes perfect sense for all the reasons you talked about. I've got 300 Blackout for hogs out to 100 yards when I want to be able to fire multiple rounds quickly. I use a 308 bolt action for deer. 308 lives the Goldilocks Zone.

Ditching 556 for a 13in 308 is crazy

@rascalmatt6713

2 ай бұрын

LUNACY

Makes total logical sense. I ditched my 5.56 years ago but have kept a M1 as a backup. Only drawback is the 8 rd capacity before a reload.

My single “go-to” rifle is a Ruger Scout in .308. It can drop anything in North America. Fantastic mid range performance (200-500 meters). it’s a NATO round so it can be found on any battle field. Common enough to be inexpensive in the stores. The rifle is short and light, magazine fed with a smooth action. That being said, 5.56 is my battle rifle. Ten years of service and I am more intimately familiar with the AR system, ranges and accuracy, and combat deployment of it as a weapons platform.

The Ruger SFAR with the upcoming 5x micro prism ( using the 3x now)is my go to general purpose rifle. If I could only have one rifle under $2000 it’s the one.

@johnkrstyen7351

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheFaceofRebellionguessing Primary Arms.

@boygonewhoopdataZZ

Жыл бұрын

I broke my 3x when it dropped on the ground with my 10lb ar

@jefferytillis8309

Жыл бұрын

Been considering the SFAR myself. Reasonable price wise and not much heavier than an AR-15. Keep waiting to see it pop up in 6.5 Creedmor.

@JoelNorton-A1A

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the SIG is a bit out of reach price-wise I like the idea of the SFAR!... interested to know what suppressing and SBR might do to the reliability

@wes326

Жыл бұрын

Shot my SFAR for the first time yesterday. Jammed on the sixth shot with a fired round in the chamber. I'm sure Ruger will make it right, but not impressed with its initial reliability. My S&W AR-15 has been very reliable.

I just added a Ruger SFAR as I've wanted a 308 in an AR for years but really didn't want the weight penalty. This 16" SFAR comes in right at 7 lbs. So far I am very pleased and I'm sure it will see a good bit of usage.

@chadfurtney3019

Жыл бұрын

How many rounds through it so far? How's it running ?

@aaronjuarbe

Жыл бұрын

A good friend of mine just picked one up and we took it to the range it is a great rifle and just like advertised it is a 308 that handles just like a 556 AR-15 the recoil was just a little more stout but very manageable

@stevenwilson9772

Жыл бұрын

​@chadfurtney3019 i have one as well... the one I have is the one that MAC reviewed on their channel. I am 700 rds in and only thing not stock is the LMT charging handle. It has been flawless. This gun made me get out of 556 literally last week. Now I have my SFAR and my HK mr762... im good to go.... all bought at Copper Custom

@wallychambe1587

11 ай бұрын

@@stevenwilson9772 They are only showing one 308 now!😥

I have 3 AR’s in 5.56, configured slightly differently depending on intended use. But if , as Jeff Cooper would say, the bad guys are beating on the front door and I had to grab one rifle to head out the back it would be my M1A-Socom in .308. Very accurate, surprisingly tame in recoil, doesn’t have that scary “ black rifle look “ in the gray man situation, and can disable a car engine, kill just about any North American game and has ammo available in almost any sporting good store anywhere. I agree with Mac the best gunfight is the one you are NOT in.

@jeffbaade3521

7 ай бұрын

Dude you took the SHTF rifle words right out of my mouth. 100% agree and that’s my out-the-door rifle. I once shot a 1.25 inch group using Silver bear 147 grain .308 ammo ( not what anyone would call match ammo by far ) out of my Socom 16 and as you say totally reliable and not as black rifle threatening as an AR. Yes the ammo is heavier and more costly ( I reload though so much cheaper ) but this round as way more effective at close and extended ranges.

I've been looking at going to 308. I enjoy and will always have a 556 simply because it's great in the self defense arena. But with longer shots I really like the performance of the 308. And with it being less expensive than 65 creedmore it seems a better choice for now.

@boz837

9 ай бұрын

You won’t be disappointed. Aero’s M5 platform is excellent. Coupled with a decent LPVO you can’t go wrong.

@astang1072

8 ай бұрын

I chose 6.5 Creed, as I did not already have 308’s, and the benefits of milder recoil and flatter trajectory, save for really large game at close range where 308 hits a bit harder, the 6.5 does everything the 308 can, ammo cost dif. is not huge (not shooting 3 cases a year in 308 or 6.5). I’m building up some bolt guns and some semi autos all in 6.5 Creed. But my “go-to” is still 5.56.

@whocan81

8 ай бұрын

​@@boz837love my aero m5 .308

I made all these points in your video about the 308 being obsolete. The rounds to constantly keep to cover all bases are 556, 9mm, and 308

@200130769

Жыл бұрын

Any gun person saying a massively popular cartridge is obsolete doesn't know what the word means and isn't a gun person.

@DinoNucci

Жыл бұрын

Who asked you?

@truckert9729

Жыл бұрын

Its obsolete in the same way a .45acp is. Doesn't mean it's going anywhere; yet; but there are way better rounds out there. Yup I just said it.

@DinoNucci

Жыл бұрын

@@truckert9729 wrong

@grilin18.

Жыл бұрын

@@truckert9729 the word for that is obsolecent, which is exactly what 45 and 308 are.

5.56 is still relevant and readily available and affordable so for now 5.56 is for me. Also popular around the world still

@kennethbaker5223

Жыл бұрын

He didn't claim otherwise.

@MrSmith-zy2bp

Жыл бұрын

Paul Harrell did a long SHTF rifle video a month ago. He completely addresses the 556 issue, even out to 500 yards. 556 is fine.

@Truthbomb918

Жыл бұрын

It is popular all over the world, by militaries

@Christoph-sd3zi

Жыл бұрын

556 and STANAG mags - the Right Arm Of the Free World

@acars9999

Жыл бұрын

People, he is not evangelizing. He is providing a great example of how to consider YOUR specific needs and location and select a weapon accordingly. His choice is not the same as mine. But his approach is absolutely sound.

I like your practical thought process Tim. Also understand that a particular gun works for particular types of people, in particular type environments. I'm a dedicated hiker, climber that enjoys to be in the thick wilderness here in New Hampshire and things like weight, manuverability, compact breakdown size is very important. I've got a 5.56 custom built AR that I use for everything here from deer hunts, plinking, deep camping, bushcraft setups, etc. It's got a cryptic coatings bolt group so it doesn't freeze and light enough for scrambling in the Mountains. This exactly what myself in particular needs.

Thanks Tim, I went with the Tavor 7 and couldn’t be happier. .308 is a great all purpose round.

@tiffinytiffable

4 ай бұрын

Hi, do you suppress your tavor? If so, what are you using and what muzzle break changes did you make for the suppressor?

@j.p.4541

4 ай бұрын

@@tiffinytiffableYes I run it suppressed. I use a Rearden flash hider, they’re compatible with various 30 caliber suppressors. I use either a Q Thunder Chicken or SilencerCo Omega 300.

@BlessedtoFly

4 ай бұрын

Agree and Tim did a great vid on it a couple years ago.

Great points my first rifle was a 308 for those exact reasons but in case of a buyout situation I figured it would be good to have a 556 load out for backup because of the carry weight. Eventually 6.5 Grendel and creedmoor will take the top spots but for now 308 checks all the boxes.

@ianmedford4855

Жыл бұрын

Just get a .308, and a 7.62x39 carbine, and you're golden.

@isaiahmarquez9717

Жыл бұрын

.308 is still superior closer in. Creedmoor shines over .308 at distance. Depends on the application.

@tzviskinner3083

Жыл бұрын

Ya that’s why I built a 308 first and then started a 6.5 creedmoor. If I could afford a sig spear I would’ve called it a day on my ar10 collection

5.56 and .308 are two of the most common use so when we need to band together, those are the best to stockpile for interchangeability.

@litsci4690

11 ай бұрын

You aren't "interchanging" shit with me. Get your own.

Love your videos! Where I live, I can't see more than a couple hundred yards (and usually FAR less) for all the trees and rolling hills so Mini 30 with JSP rounds for me, cheers! I do have a 20" AR, as well.

If you are missing by feet "due to the wind," it's you, not the wind.

@rascalmatt6713

2 ай бұрын

Depends on how far away your target is.

Solution: 77 grn 5.56 which is a whole different animal in terms of bucking the wind and effectiveness at distance. I've heard military snipers say the same thing. When I finally buy a 300 blackout maybe I'll change my mind. We'll see.

@DasGoodSoup

Жыл бұрын

300blk is essentially 7.62x39 with a 308 bullet instead of a 311

@Fadaar

Жыл бұрын

@@DasGoodSoup it legitimately is a 5.56 casing shooting 308 bullets

@kimmichaels899

Жыл бұрын

75,77 grain match is a different animal,makes big holes in deer 100yds +😊

If I’m harvesting game using single rounds to hunt primarily in a bug out situation I like the idea of .308 or 7.62x39. Something readily available with a current ammo stockpile that keeps prices low for practice would make the most sense. Price of 308 is the only problem as others have pointed out. 308 ar10s are so lightweight the weight the weight of the ammo would be another concern ask NUTN lol. see also KS47 for shorter range engagements. I’ve been telling people to avoid the oddball AR calibers for years now and stick with 308. It checks so many boxes for me, no need to reinvent the wheel.

@constitutionalrepublican1611

Жыл бұрын

for animals, may want to look at a simple thompson contender. theyre nice. and you save the brass.

I enjoyed the subject and pretty much agree with it. I may buy another AR 10 but I already have a CZ 550 in 308 and a Remington 760 pump in 270. If I go to war I have 3 VZ 58s and 5000 rounds of 7.62x39. I also have a "Remington" made 7.62x54r that, by luck turned out to be a tack driver. Naturally I have a couple of Bushmaster 556/223 rifles and a few more odd and end tools laying around. I was looking for a legitimate reason to acquire another tool but I think that I will have to continue watching and listening to your channel in hopes of being given a sound reason to make that move. I probably need to be looking at videos on why I need to get a larger or an additional gun safe.

The video was very informative and thought provoking. I totally agree with the advantages of having a .308, particularly with what most of us experienced with the ammunition shortages during the pandemic. I also agree with several other of the authors below, about having different rifles in different calibers for different purposes. Personally, I really like the ballistics of the 6.5 Creedmoor, but in addition to the lack of availability during the pandemic, the ammunition was very expensive then and now. In addition to the .308, 6.5 CM, I also have 5.56 and 300 Blackout, and I have no plans on trading in my 5.56 or 300 Blackout. There is only one obvious answer to the age-old question, and that is to do what you think is best for yourself.

Got my .308 for deer season in November 1972. Model 100 Winchester...weighs about 7 pounds and it's semi-auto. It's fast to the shoulder and has perfect balance.

@biker-dr1ne

9 ай бұрын

I would not trust that platform for defensive use. Having managed and run some gunshop repair departments the extractor system on the Mdl 100 is simply too fragile

@dennispfeifer7788

8 ай бұрын

@@biker-dr1ne I bet your right. The trigger is heavy too...can that trigger be tamed a bit?...I shot it last Sunday and I was pulling hard. I'd estimate 5 pounds at least...Then I shot a Sako made in about 1950 in .222 Remington...you breath on that trigger and it fires...It's got to be in ounces...maybe 8-10 ounces...they both need adjustment.

5.56 has plenty of power for what you are going to need it for. It will definitely get the job done at the kind of ranges that are realistic. It's availability, cost, weight and size are all in it's favor. But even that is probably more than you need.

@weasle2904

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you can lay out a deer easily with one. Anyways you're not getting an AR for SHTF just to hunt with it, like what. What a weird line of thinking from MAC... The US military already collected all the statistics to prove 5.56 is more effective in general combat and sustainability, as well as squad level maneuverability than .308 over 60 years ago!

@johncanshoot

Жыл бұрын

Mac is right-on. He gave us much to consider and I appreciate it very much. POINT-OF-FACT: 5.56 will not shoot into cars or though windshields and stop those inside. COPs demonstrate that to new officers. 5.56 is great BUT AGAIN it will not shoot through body armor, even the cheap stuff - even GREEN-TIP... that is one of the many reasons the Military wants to move on... failures of the 5.56. In most parts of the country the bad guys frequently wear body armor. If you have not been to a carbine class of late: with 5.56 shoot for the groin then the face, forget the "center-mass" shots. You must prepare for worst case situations, not what worked in the past before the bad guys up-gunned & started wearing body armor. Confrontations with gangs is about like dealing with a military squad now that the Mexican drug cartels have taken over from the old prison gangs. The one gun for everything is something I do not want to deal with. Now you need weapons for dealing with those wearing body armor and driving modified vehicles. .30/06 black tip AP is best for that. More and more home-invaders are wearing vests and use team work to overcome the good guy(s). They can drive a vehicle INTO YOUR HOME... you need something to stop the engine. In case of wide-spread civil unrest those trying to plunder your home for your supplies will be wearing armor and there will be several/many of them. BETTER START THING "COMMUNICATION" & "TEAMS"... Mechanics have more than one tool in their tool box... we also need an assortment of tools. MAC is one of the first... this topic of discussion is going to become paramount in the gun/self-defense community. 5.56 is just about everyones' favorite BUT YOU must consider the bad guys have up-armored and up-gunned. Of course you might be fortunate and your attacker(s) might be old-school BUT the bad guys are good communicators and in general their life's work is to stay one-step-ahead of US. In my case hunting is not now an issue BUT years ago I had to shoot dog-sized predators & DOG PACKS chasing sheep & cattle - 5.56 was often NOT always a good stopper for even that... had to chase-down a quite a few that should have died with the first hit because it was a well placed shot. THINK ABOUT IT! Especially if the target shoots back and is full of MEPH and or adrenaline! DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS! ... certainly, BUT every point that MAC made is worth your serious consideration. Nothing he said was/is frivolous or naive. If you think "MAC HAS CHANGED"... maybe he has become more of a realist. I have followed him for many years... I do not think he has changed one bit BUT he was addressing a supremely serious subject! GO MAC! PS: My go-to has become a SIG CROSS in .308 with an AREA 419 brake. Not saying it is perfect for everyone BUT I take it with me everywhere in the vault under the back seat... completely legal almost anywhere. I have heavier ARs... will shoot through most any vest available to civilians, no attacker inside a vehicle would be safe, and it will shoot almost as accurately as my F-Class rifle out to 800 yards.

@gpheonix1

Жыл бұрын

@@johncanshoot huh. so 6.8 wasn't for enemies abroad was it...

@TheCosmicGuy0111

Жыл бұрын

@@johncanshoot bud I hate to break it to you, 55 grain can go through a whole fuckin car lmfaooooo

@markwurz8577

Жыл бұрын

@@johncanshootdude you couldn’t possibly be any more wrong lmao. It’s insane. Yikes man.

Q: Where's the best place to be in a gunfight? A: Not there.

I've done a lot of room clearing in my day. Then I found out I was allergic to cabbage.

I think all these new calibers are neat but I still prefer to run with what has been tested by time. 308 is always a good choice

Here in NC I think 7.62x39 is a better option. Cheaper lighter and has more than enough range for the distances you will see in the dense forests we have everywhere. A nice simple AK is hard to go wrong with when you are in areas that are nothing but a mix of forest and suburban/urban settings. Very rare to see anything long range out here. Even the roads tend to curve every few hundred yards or have a big hill.

@stevenaylor5163

Жыл бұрын

At that barrel length all you get without a suppressor is a 7.62x39 + a flash bang

@plaid13

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenaylor5163 I was wondering how much velocity is lost in a short barrel 308. Not sure i have ever seen anyone test it.

@CW0LK

Жыл бұрын

@@plaid13this is a good question, I would like to see this tested too.

@jommez123

Жыл бұрын

@@plaid13InRangeTV has a really neat video on it from three years ago simply titled 7.62x39 vs. 7.62x51 here on KZread. Not particularly scientific, but a decent starting point.

@ungratefulpeasant8085

Жыл бұрын

It's not cheaper anymore since the ammo ban.

For years I've always had the same opinions you just shared. The difference between you and I is that I've been torn between two or more 'lovers', i.e. 5.56 and 300 Blkout, but secretly pined for a .308 AR due to all the 'noise' in the market around each - 5.56 and 390 Blkout. I just could not get to where you are in my head. Your video has helped a lot because while my ideas and thoughts on this subject are scattered thoughout my brain, you have not only organized them for me but, beyond that, solidified them for me. Thank you. Guess I'll be headed to a consignment shop sooner than I thought! BTW, as a young 68 year old veteran who grew up hunting deer and Black bear I'd just like to say that I am not of the 'fan-boy' club type. My life long passion is a small but sufficient arsenal, modern munitions and long distant shooting! Thanks for your very thought provoking video. ...spot on!

I have a PWS 14.5 in 308 that I love. Also a Larue 7.62 OBR with .308/260/6.5 Creedmoor barrels that I can change in about a minute. I load around 44gr of Shooters World Precision with a 168gr bullet that both of my 308 battle rifles shoot tiny groups with. Both are excellent suppressor hosts.

5.56 will be king in shtf scenario, as will 9x19.

@BaconSlayer69

Жыл бұрын

Nah I think 7.62x39 and .308win will be

@ryanranard5187

Жыл бұрын

Yep, you’re correct.

@ecgwineicling2543

Жыл бұрын

@@BaconSlayer69 Depends on *where* exactly shtf, if in Russia, 7.62×39. If in Switzerland, 7.5×55. If in the US or any US vassal state, .308.

I came to the same conclusion when I bought my first rifle 24 years ago- an Armalite AR-10. I’ve used it for deer, elk, and a wide array of matches. I like the long range ballistics of the 20-inch barrel for 1000 yards. It shoots .5 MOA. It is a bit heavy and long but soaks up recoil too. Glad to hear you making a case for the.308.

@ceoelektronika8604

11 ай бұрын

This is how people talk when they are not pandering for bribes.

@themorningstar4512

11 ай бұрын

​@@ceoelektronika8604???

@firesupport162

11 ай бұрын

I just prefer my Mauser 8mm and .303 SMLE both are over 100 years old and probably will live 100 years more

@TheFanatical1

11 ай бұрын

The AR-10, the famously light even in its heaviest incarnation is a bit...heavy?

@InitialFailure

11 ай бұрын

5.56 weighs about a bit less than half that of .308, though, yea? So, 210 rounds of 5.56 vs. 100-ish of .308. That's kind of significant when anything that needs to fall can be dropped by a 5.56 unless I'm way off?

My primary is now a POF P308 edge. Love it.

Just got myself the Ruger SFAR 308. Love it!!

556 for me. The 308 is a powerhouse, of course, but the smaller cartridge really shines when it comes to consistently keeping the enemy's head down.

@mjgII

11 ай бұрын

lmao the only thing you need to worry about keeping down is your blood pressure

@coolgamers2794

11 ай бұрын

556 is still good. Just get a heavier grain at higher pressure.

@ON-O

11 ай бұрын

Who are you regularly fighting that you need to lay down suppressive fire?

@GTFBITK

11 ай бұрын

Go outside and touch grass bro.

@andyleotell

11 ай бұрын

@@GTFBITKlol

If you want more performance without sacrificing weight and recoil the 6.8 SPC or 6.5 grendel are the way to go. They both have a very good track record taking deer and hogs. I see both on store shelves and both are easy to reload for.

@timunderbakke8756

Жыл бұрын

If I had to do it all over again, going back in time not starting over in 2023, I think I’d have added a 6.8 to my repertoire and been stocking it up. Not going to do it now, too expensive and I’ve got lots of other things since

@juanspicywiener

Жыл бұрын

6.8 spc is boss. Idk why store shelf availability is a concern if you have enough stored. It's like a zombie movie larp where you think the ability to resupply at a looted Walmart is beneficial.

@melissasmess2773

Жыл бұрын

6.8 PRC is my deer rifle 😍👍🏻

finally someone who sees it the way I do since the AR10 platform has been more popularized not too long ago. This setup is my go to rifle as well. I still have the AR15, but left it for my other

@robertgoodrich8953

10 ай бұрын

I agree with the .308, but an AR-10 is too heavy and bulky for me. There is a whole universe of light, low recoiling .308 semiautos available. You might check out POF Rogue, SCAR 17, or if you like cheap crap, Ruger SFAR.

Glad you brought up the 6.5CM

Personally I’ve landed on one AR and three different uppers: 300 BLK, 5.56, 6.5 Grendel. That pretty much covers everything I need and I can switch them in seconds. I also have different optics tailored to their use, but the biggest advantage for me is having the same trigger and controls for all three.

@62dobie

Жыл бұрын

This right here. Very well thought out.

@62dobie

Жыл бұрын

One exception, my Sig Rattler 300 BLK w/can. I love that thing. Nothing shoots like it.

@HumbleWarrior7

Жыл бұрын

I do have a can for mine too. If I could have afforded it I would go with the Sig as well for sure.

Extremely well articulated video. definitely worth to consider having two calibers. 5.56 and .308 Thank you Tim.

@mfallen6894

Жыл бұрын

Are there people that only have one rifle caliber? Seriously asking, as I grew-up in the country where shooting guns was THE thing to do for fun, so we all accumulated pretty decent arsenals of various calibers by the time we reached adulthood. I've lived in city's but never really joined gun clubs/went to the ranges when I was in college/before moving back to the sticks, so I didn't ever really mingle with the city/suburb gun crowd. It seems odd to only have AR's and Glocks to me, but it probably seems odd to that crowd to own a dozen bolt guns in various chamberings, lever guns, revolvers from .22 up to Grizzly stoppers, etc. I guess it's all relative... Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying one is a better approach than the other, I'm just genuinely curious. I don't care if a person only owns a Marlin Model 60; they're part of the 2A community just like any other gun owner!

@paraAA82

Жыл бұрын

@@mfallen6894 whatever makes your boat float

Love the idea. Going with a similar setup but with the sfar.

Really appreciate your video on 308 vs. 556 as always you hit the major points and reasons for your decision to switch platforms. Well I too made this decision a couple of years ago. I went with a SCAR 17S. I cut my barrel to 11” with a Rugged Micro 30 absolutely great decision, if I do say so, myself! Ballistically I haven’t lost too much because like your decision for what I need is a Rifle for CQB. This now gives me from 100 yards up to 500 yards not 800, hell I cant even see out that far!! Thought I would share with you and the rest of us. Be Safe, Be Free, Be True!

5.56 is just fine. It's everywhere and your main rifle is useless if you can't feed it. If you're shooting past 1000 yds its probably not self-defense unless of course we are in a hot civil war in which case 5.56 is probably still best answer as the side w the most ammo typically has the edge.

@gisellesbikeseat

Жыл бұрын

5.56 has killed plenty of critters, both 4 legged and 2 legged. It's proven, prolific and relatively cheap. Also, armor defeating varieties are available. The gun media are always looking to stir things up, which is exactly what this is.

@jeffreystarits2783

Жыл бұрын

@@gisellesbikeseat where im from we have a lot of deer but even more cattle and a cow is way easier to hunt . a 22lr will do the job to the skull of a cow from 2ft

@atomicfrijole7542

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffreystarits2783 And the farmer/rancher is probably going to send you a message if you try thieving his cattle. Maybe you should rethink that...

@TheDiameter

Жыл бұрын

Look, 5.56 is simply NOT a 1000y cartridge unless you’re loading it hot, in a very heavy bullet weight, with a specific twist rate, and a 20” or longer barrel. Will the standard 55g round get to 1k yards out of a 16” barrel? Sure, but nobody is hitting shit with it reliably. 5.56 is reliable to 500 and realistically maxes out at 750. Anything past that and you’re either using a purpose built setup of just lobbing rounds hoping for the best.

@clm652

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDiameter No one said it was. My point was if you're engaging at that distance you obv need .308 or better but you have no business engaging at that distance 99.9% of the time, hunting, war, or defense. Hunting in shtf will be a two way range in competition for meat and the most deadly thing you can do and will drive most game to extinction fairly quick anyway. We're talking main battle rifle. In peacetime, sure, you have the luxury of whatever round you want for whatever game you're taking.

Love the idea, been a .308 user for decades. My go to hunting rifle. Never been a big fan of the AR-10 but I do like the layout of the spear. Might be a future owner… truthfully I hope now that things are picking up that the 6mm arc does become a standard…sweet shooting round and fantastic ballistics.

@matthewotis3594

Жыл бұрын

I love it in my rem model 7. But if I had to have one it'd be something in 7.62 x 39. A bit slower than .308 but a bit hotter than 30-30. That's ample power and a great all around round. Kill from opossums to bears in a pinch, iffy on brown bears. I'd want an ak with a mag over an sks with a sack of stripper clips. 30 rounds is much more than 10. And the reload difference. Dad loaded snd hunted ground squirrel. He tried em all. Settled on .243 after 22- 250 and. 222. 220 Swifts were too hot for a 22 cal.

@emmw7794

Жыл бұрын

The Spear is like 6 grand.

@cornpopwasabaddude69

Жыл бұрын

​@@emmw7794and not worth the price by any metric lmfao

There's a reason our Operators in Afghanistan wanted to break the M-14 out of mothballs- 5.56 was fine for house-to-house in Iraq, but in the wide-open spaces and across canyons of Afghanistan, 7.62 is far superior

@oddrocket2743

7 ай бұрын

M14s with modifications in the War on Terror had a really short career because they shift point of aim significantly when they heat up. SOCOM went to SCAR Heavys and then to M110's, but the HK416 really dominated either as the IAR (M27 or M38) or M4's with SOPMOD Block 1 or 2 using 77 grain bullets. Changing bullets really improved the 5.56 wind drift and accuracy at range and most did not see the weight of 7.62 worth it.

@PhotoBobBarker

7 ай бұрын

@@oddrocket2743 The point still holds. Unless you happen to have a source for MK262 or Mk318 (or their civilian counterparts). Comparing widely available 7.62 to equally available 5.56/.223, the 7.62 still takes the lead for everything but ammo weight.

@oddrocket2743

7 ай бұрын

@@PhotoBobBarker 9 Hole Reviews did a nice analysis of the M21 accurized M14 and discussed the stoppages and issues with bedding. My own limited experience shooting accurized M14s was similar to 9 hole reviews. You are correct that .308 / 7.62 is still a better round than 77grain 5.56 but 77 grainers were a much easier change for the military. Curious to see what you think of the 9 hole's analysis.

@absoluteresolution3822

7 ай бұрын

If you can afford to have a 300 blackout as a 4th rifle caliber, it is a very versatile and useful cartridge. I have it and love it, but you need first a 22LR, then 556, 308 and next 300 blk IMO. The cost and availability is costly and the other calibers have a wider use case, are cheaper or are more effective in certain tasks. 300 Blk is the do all within 300 yards caliber with supers, but you can also use subs for other niche scenarios. It all comes down to cost and what works best for you but my opinion still stands with the order of calibers for rifles.

Due to my experience in Iraq for two tours i made the jump a long time ago from 5.56 to 7.62, and most of the vets i served with that are still with us have done the same. I was lucky as a POG to have access to a base armory and managed to get my hands on an old M14. Then my people back home sent me a sadlak mount and my issued ACOG made the jump and that was my gun for the duration of my time in the sandbox. Since coming back home my ARs have become safe queens and I've had LRB & Fulton Armory build me a few M14s of various lengths and setup for different tasks. With the exception of teaching a new shooter, I cannot remember the last time i shot 5.56 for personal use.

@McRod-1

5 ай бұрын

POG... Everything I learned and equipped in my 23 years on active duty has changed. We called POGs, REMFs, when I was in. But I was a 12B, just a glorified grunt, so what do I know?

5.56 is perfectly capable for the absolute majority of situations that you will find yourself in, SHTF and otherwise.

@anaxa4883

11 ай бұрын

That is what a Fed would say 💀💀💀

@joemama.556

11 ай бұрын

​@@anaxa4883I bet feds dont want you to be able to use their ammo.... shit take honestly

@elmateo77

11 ай бұрын

He's mainly talking about hunting I think. Depending on where you live and what type of animals are in the area, .308 might be a better choice. IMO 5.56 is fine for hunting deer, but for elk or moose you want something heavier. Of course you could always just have a 5.56 for home defense and something heavier for hunting.

@sammiches6859

11 ай бұрын

​@@joemama.556Obviously you can just use their guns if you have access to their ammo. Double shit take.

@joemama.556

11 ай бұрын

@@sammiches6859 so you are saying every single ammo storage facility also has rifles in it? I can assure you that is not true for 99% of government ammo storage facilities.