Game 1, that has to be some of the absolute best PvT I've seen on this patch of the game. In a world where Protoss is noticeably underrepresented at the top level of the game, Hero still manages to execute an absolute crazy, high-level game against one of the best Terrans around. Really never felt like he was down or on the back foot, able to assert himself on the map at all times.

@orangepearlf40

10 ай бұрын

HERO was slugging like a heavy weight boxer, just controlling the whole show. Love it!

Hero is impressive at staying on top of the composition. He seems to always build the exact units he needs for Byuns composition.

@ThiagoIndioAraujo

10 ай бұрын

Almost seems that he is a professional player that plays the same game for years

@tpotshax8703

10 ай бұрын

@@ThiagoIndioAraujo Even pros fumble unit composition. Almost seems like their opponents are also professional players that plays the same game for years.

@ThiagoIndioAraujo

10 ай бұрын

@@tpotshax8703 couldn't miss the joke, I agree that he is incredible

I like Hero plan He made a good army and instead of trying to push the overpowered Terran defenses, he just took the map and started to save minerals and did not engage in bad trades to preserve his forces. He builds a fleet of 5 carriers. He could go to 10 or 20 but he stopped at 5, and let the Terran build a huge Viking fleet. Eventually, he made a recall push when the minerals on the map were almost done. He lost most of his army but also did good damage. He had 5k minerals in the bank, Byun had 1k. Hero instantly rebuilt his army (Stalkers) tailored to counter what Byun had now (Liberators). He also added Zealots as a mineral dump and sent them to destroy whatever Byun was not actively defending. I think it's stupid as the only way to defeat Terran is for them to not have ways to build an army given how good their defense is (infinite scans, mules, orbitals, liberators and siege tanks) but that's Starcraft 2 in 2023.

That game 1 is easily the most fun SCII game I've watched this year, possibly ever. That was incredible.

@novitrix9671

10 ай бұрын

HereHERE!

The first game is why hero is my favorite protoss.

It's crazy how this game still looks so clean after all these years

Hero uncharacteristically giving up mass gatewayman style for the mech toss and mowing down Byun with it. I think he found a new favorite playstyle.

i always loved the phoenexs to keep the early medivacs honest, not sure why more toss players dont do that.

@00x0xx

10 ай бұрын

Phoenix is too expensive and near worthless mid-game. Unless your opponent goes mutalisk, it's always a bad idea to built more than 1 phoenix.

@mark11tz

10 ай бұрын

Early phoenix opening is indeed a good choice but it depends on situations.

@ManDuderGuy

10 ай бұрын

@@00x0xx Or maybe you're just not good with them. A handful of phoenix can harass workers/keep map presence and provide vision/pickoff re-inforcements as well as provide decent air-vs-air. It's just a matter of being able to give them enough attention and keeping them moving.

@00x0xx

10 ай бұрын

@@ManDuderGuy I'm good with them, but they are very expensive. 4 phoenix is 600 minerals and 400 gas. That's alot, enough for 2 late game tech buildings. Why would I spend that amount of gas on just 4 phoenix, when I can instead use it for both a templar archive and storm upgrade?

@00x0xx

10 ай бұрын

@@mark11tz Indeed. I used to do a phoenix opening all the time, it's very good if your opponent isn't doing a fast expand or macro build, or a particular cheese that is strong against an air opening. It works well against Terran, unless they're doing like a battle cruiser cheese. But it's very bad against a macro Zerg.

1:03:33 the money shot of protoss lmao

Incredible play. Her0 almost makes protoss look good

@TheVanillatech

10 ай бұрын

Yet he played absolutely terribly all through the last GSL. What was happening with Her0 in those matches? Against Dark he looked bronze league. Must have been ill or something...

I'd call Hero's first game impressively deliberate.

21:20 that Disco Ball micro is insane! Hero is most entertainment sc2 player in 2023. Always excited to see his games.

That first game was awesome! So fun to watch.

Hear me out, forward nexus to recall back to the front after defending your base from a flank attack

Looks like Byun is playing out of his comfort zone, like experimenting with mass liberators or ghosts.

I think Byuns one mistake in game one was overproducing vikings. He thought hero would transition into full airtoss, but he never build more than a couple of tempests and a few carriers. The vikings were mostly dead supply which allowed hero to have favourable trades in the engagements. But really cool game!

@mark11tz

10 ай бұрын

New meta for Protoss. Everytoss: Collect every protoss unit.

@proactivex

10 ай бұрын

I think you might be right but what units should he have invested in ? I was thinking maybe a couple BCs to make hero play chase on defense and then …. What on the ground ? More bio ?

@Daniel-rd6st

10 ай бұрын

@@proactivex Thats actually not easy to say. Hero build a very ballanced force with no obvious weakness. Marine/ghost/tank might have worked. But such games are very fluid because hero of course would react when he notices a tech switch.

@proactivex

10 ай бұрын

@@Daniel-rd6st tanks don’t seem viable with all those disrupters and blinkers. It is a puzzle. Hero seems to have come up with a very solid composition.

@Daniel-rd6st

10 ай бұрын

@@proactivex True and i think you are right, BCs might have been a good choice, though they also are not great vs blink stalkers, unless mass produced, which takes a lot of time. I think against Heroes jack of all trades composition is no hard counter, at the end it comes down to micro and army movement.

I love the "I am like everybody else, I ask for likes" into the "I'll probably do it anyways". For some reason I enjoy this approach time and time again.

i love it when herO said "its cannon time" and cannoned all over the place

@qwertyui90qwertyui90

10 ай бұрын

when was this ?

Ghosts should totally be tagged light. They are probably less armored than a zergling

I want to see that against Maru and then I'll believe this actually works against late game Terran Ghost. Fantastic game!

@LoLoStuff

10 ай бұрын

it's not about ghost, it's about Maru

@FilmonGEMZ

10 ай бұрын

@@LoLoStuff yes like it wasn't about Disruptors it was about Hero, but they still had to nerf Disruptors.

"I don't know how to decribe it, and that is my entire job" 😂😂😂 never change man, we love you

Wall of photon cannons and baterries is new? I've been playing Protoss like this since the inception :D

One of the best matches I’ve seen this year. Love seeing late game matches between pros. Too good!

Winter - You have singlehandedly got me into Starcraft and made it a part of my daily routine. I only get to watch about 20-30 minutes but I really enjoy them. I wish you could make them a little more condensed but I dont have any good idea how to make that happen. Enjoy them all the same.

@CarlosPerez-kj6dq

10 ай бұрын

I treat each match like multiple episodes. Each day a different game of that match. That allows me to condense it to 15-30 minutes.

The adding of cannons is nice. Give P some time and not losing base to some 8marines +2 marauders... also it bridges the early middle game when T has just superrior firepower. On the other hand it can slow down the entire game

Small satisfaction from noticing the lack of Extended Thermal Lance long before the player and commentator and waiting for them to catch on. Anyway, great games! A pleasure to see Hero strong again.

What an amazing first game!!!! I'm still shocked... What a wonderful play from Hero! Beautiful thank you...

ByuN not on his A game here, he played as if he was tired.

Always fun to see non-Zerg games :D Could definitely see Byun's wrists bothering him again, I wish he'd take a break to let them recover a bit so we don't lose the madlad himself.

The fusion core fanfare kills me every friggin time. I love it so much hahaha

In game 1: 1. Feels like Battlecruisers for Buyn would have been great. 2. Buyn should have landed the vikings vs the stalkers to get some dmg in instead of losing all units for nothing. Same thing for the 3 liberators vs 3 carriers, he might have got one down if he has just pivoted.

thank you winter. made my day, just a little bit better.

i like the music choice for these. makes it more intense.

"Bee-yunn" played a great game today!

"Does anyone think Ghosts should have Stem?" is going to be in my nightmares :/

@evernewb2073

10 ай бұрын

it's almost an actual question: so many required tools are in the ghost that it's basically just straight up game if they die or loose their energy, while their autoattack is actually pretty decent what that would mostly amount to is the ability to bleed energy off the medivacs to make ghosts snappier for a few seconds. a better question would be "how can we take some of these tools off of this unit so that they are no longer just straight up required?" but giving them a risky tool to make them less derpy honestly sounds more like blizzard's style.

where the war of the worlds meme with the colyss-eye as the face? XD

@WinterStarcraft 40:00 Oh! You should've said "He's not gonna make it off the dance floor"

Thanks for casting that series.

very impressive first game ! using that recall to reposition his army on the offensive. it takes balls

"Yeah all of the cannons, that is most of them." 😂

Awesome AWESOME cast! 500,000 thumbs up!

I forgot about mules being able to mine gas lol. That was indeed a weird time.

Winter said “social distancing” and I had a whole flashback. 😮

42:25 Trippy water bottle.

I feel like Disruptors at the highest level are just a trap against Bio. Especially against players like Byun. It seems like storm is just better in every way.

@joethestrat

10 ай бұрын

I feel like Disruptors provide an immediate threat of harsh damage, while storm is obviously more time-based.

Incredible match, many thanks!

Game 1, "what did byun do wrong?" - well there was that one time he lost all his Vikings to stalkers, allowing Hero to go way more unchecked with his carriers than previously. Not sure how much that factored in, but he never got up to that many Vikings after that.

Mechtoss is an interesting style. I enjoy watching it. Even more I liked Hero's bet that he could replace his units faster than Byun could. That's a play I'd never have thought to try.

Watching Terran turtle and lose is like watching a 2 IQ bully get his ass beat. Very satisfying

Anyone notice at 57:00 the tectonic upgrade for tempests doesnt work when the CC is flying. It only aplies yo structures on ground

@luisg8873

10 ай бұрын

Also at 1:02:00

@nevecatalani8721

9 ай бұрын

Tectonic means relating to the structure of the surface of the earth

Does this mean that Hero actually used controlled groups for a change?

As always ty for your hard work and dedication!!! glhf fam :D

49:13 Nice GoT reference

lmao 39:04 halves every toss unit's HP in 1 EMP, yes it's not deadly, totally balanced

That game 1... wow! Whilst herO crushed in the end, there were big trades in ByuN's favour which made it so exciting. Peak SC2.

Astounds me how pros do NOT saturate forward bases as a priority. PiG has been preaching about this for years!

watched the whole thing, where did i miss the cannons ?

Someone might help and steer me away from such foolish thoughts, but i wonder sometimes how useful liberators are. I've seen their usefulness, but i also see them sit as idle supply, and how long it takes for them to get set up, and i wonder how that gas and minerals might be better utilized as a battlecruiser.

The disturbing old potoss strategy from Starcraft 1.

I never thought carriers would ever stand a chance against late game terran... Guess Hero (and Byun) proved me wrong.

Game 1 was INSANE!! I wish I could play toss that well hahaha

Thank you for all your hard work!

I rate the amount of memes in this video as sufficient. Good video.

Wow the first game. That's how to beat T with P!

Are my eyes fking with me? The Colossus beams seem longer.

Her0 is the best protoss I’ve seen. Using different units correctly is not easy as it seems

Awesome!

Protoss Cannons? About ******* time!!! I put 6 on every entrance to every area (and ramp corner) all over the map, every time. They are such a time/supply sink for players to deal with that I've had many players RAGEQUIT just trying to deal with the "cannon-clusters", gifting me a W. They attack ground AND air, don't cost all that much in small clusters, and totally screw up people's attack plans giving your maxed army plenty of time to reposition. Nice to see the Pro's using tactics I used 12 years ago!! 😁

Stimpacks would interfere with the psychic ability of the ghost, hence why they don't have them? Another awesome video by the way!

instant like once I heard "I'll admit I'm filling time here" crippling honesty just like myself lol.

I thought it was a repost of my BLH 😂

New Protoss strategy that was invented in 1995…

That thumbnail looks like the custom maps i would make.

was the 10 range colossi bug in this series?

wow that was a real GG

@WinterStarcraft: You mentioned Zest at 32:56. You go on to praise Zest. Bro, please put a link to a playlist of you reviewing some of Zest's greatest wins and losses in the video description box. Keep us hooked into your content. Its been 8 months since I've watched your content and man, it is still so entertaining. Please keep up the great work. Hey Jimmy... What!... LoL.

That first game was a stiff arm, well said winter

That thumbnail tho 😂❤

This is NOT a new toss' strat. It's been around for decades. Literally. Decades.

love you winter, keep that chin up my man.

Underwater is just maximum rain

ah yes, the counter to cannons.... nukes

Sometimes Hero plays like game 1. Sometimes Hero plays like a bronze league hero.

i was obliged to stop mid step to walk to my pc and comment "wut?!": 39:51

Love the playstyle of hero !

Hero and Maxpax literally have to do everything to drag protoss through pro play.

Am I the only person that didn't know you could put a force field on a bunker? Does this so units from entering and exiting it?

@MrSpleenface

10 ай бұрын

You can force field any building. It’s saved me from many a baneling bust lmao

Ghosts should have stim, but it only reduces health.

Now that you mention it, why wouldn't ghosts have stem pack? Makes no sense.

@enriquegarciacota3914

10 ай бұрын

It seems rather incompatible with snipe though

What is it no attack 20 min

If I played SC2, I would go nukes every game

@excuseyou1526

10 ай бұрын

Nukes are purely cosmetic in SC2. Fickle to deploy, slow to launch, easy to telegraph and counter, damage comparable to a light tickle. It's the sort of thing you try exactly once just to realize why nobody uses them outside of the pro scene.

Why does injecting marines with stim, make their guns shoot faster?

man hero makes disruptor look broken

OMG😮 I hope Byun sieges that reaper wall off... 💫🎯💫 Hero a master class of PvT

Its kinda weird when content creators name like 25 "game of the year!!!???" Videos. And im absolutely biased in thinking zvt is the most entertaining matchup. That game 1 was hands down in the top 5 contenders for game of the year. Just awesome to watch

Only Terran who can beat Hero is Maru right now

I always love seeing ever-wrist-complaining Byun get whooped lmao

her0 gonna keep toss from being buffed -_-

I blame Hero and MaxPax for preventing Toss from getting buffed.

I love Byun, but he got absolutely sidewinded in that siege standoff. So much economic expansion crippled