It's incredibly haunting that they described their exact fate right before it happened

@KingStr0ng

Жыл бұрын

They knew. They were told by God.

@cookie5535

9 ай бұрын

@@KingStr0ng"God" HAHAHAHA. transphobes believe literally in magic deities

@KingStr0ng

9 ай бұрын

@@cookie5535 Yeah. Men aren't named Chloe, that's my point. He forced that to be his name artificially. He is not Chloe. He will never be Chloe.

@kestrels.9189

9 ай бұрын

@@KingStr0ngkeep praying to sky daddy to make you as successful as Chloe, she’s leagues ahead of you. 😘

@CircumstancesNeverMatter

8 ай бұрын

It’s crazy how that unfolded!

I lost 3 family members on this flt. I was 10 years old. One was a baby girl my cousin just adopted cause she could not get pregnant. Her name was Tiffany. My cousin Barbara and her husband Scott all died. I just found this doing some research. I’ve always been afraid of flying because at 10 learning what can happen messed with me. Anyway, thought I’d share their names. Barbara, Scott and baby Tiffany RIP

@josephconnor2310

Жыл бұрын

I'm very sorry to hear.

@seafoambeachcomb

Жыл бұрын

RIP Barbara, Scott & Tiffany 😇

@BLOXY6960

7 ай бұрын

if this is true or fasle JUST ALWAYS KNOW THATB THEY COULD ALWAYS BE LIEING IF NOT SORRY BUT IF SO nobody likes you people

@johnengland8619

7 ай бұрын

Peace

@richardgibson1872

6 ай бұрын

yeah sure you did. I lost my wife on this plane when I was 10 as well!

The major irony that they were talking about other crashes before they themselves were involved in one

The man who tried saving his wife then later died... So sad.

@noahj.1232

Жыл бұрын

He died trying to save the one he loved. Very sad, but also a meaningful death and a beautiful act of bravery

@sailaab

Жыл бұрын

😭🥺

@irresponsibleparent3

Жыл бұрын

It's sad but he left her in the first place...

@LordMarcus

Жыл бұрын

I would if it came to it, too.

@braininavatnow9197

Жыл бұрын

@@irresponsibleparent3 he just went back to get the money in her purse

During training to get my PPL, my instructor had me physically point at each instrument and control then call out the expected outcome when running through checklists. This forced me to put eyes on each item and not give a conditioned response. This is along the lines of those working for the Japanese rail system. It may seem comical to see station attendants pointing at doors and conductors pointing at signs but this serves an important purpose. By pointing and acknowledging areas critical for safety, it increases awareness and fights complacency. The flight crew of DL1141 got so used to responding "15-15, green light" for flaps that no one bothered to check.

@grmpEqweer

Жыл бұрын

Good thought.

@CharlieApples

Жыл бұрын

That’s a really great teaching method. You ought to know the worst case scenarios when operating something like a plane.

@kahlesjf

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. By doing the same thing for so long without incident, a vulnerability to confirmation bias develops and no one can predict when or how it will be manifested. Using multiple sensory systems helps to counteract the slippery slope toward complacency. It is why a "sterile cockpit" is necessary and it shows why a little off-task chatting with the cabin crew is dangerous.

@brentsutherland6385

Жыл бұрын

I've seen forklift operators do the same as the pointing bus drivers in Japan-but it makes perfect sense.

@nicholasbradshaw

Жыл бұрын

It may be cliched to think that this is a cultural thing, but am I the only one that finds it incredible that the only "major" disruption to the Japanese bullet train system (in my lifetime at least) was in reaction to a very real North Korean warhead flying over them... and they still apologised for the disturbance! If that happened almost anywhere else, we'd be in makeshift bunkers for a fortnight, at least.

I was only familiar with the Mayday episode of this crash. I never knew the crew were discussing other crashes like that. Really chilling.

@DasMoose9001

Жыл бұрын

I believe they did mention the conversation as the distracting subject, but only referred to is as a conversation, to save time explaining the raw details.

@MichaelD8393

8 ай бұрын

I first heard about Delta 1141 in one of the _Engineering Disaters_ episodes of _Modern Marvels._ They played another part of the CVR audio where one of the pilots pointed out a bird getting blown away by the engine of another plane, but not the part where they were discussing the previous crashes. That was haunting to hear.

@mepizzasmangled

2 ай бұрын

We all do it

Years ago when I was learning to drive, my instructor once asked me to start the car (a manual transmission) and move off. Before turning the key, I was surprised to find we were in 1st gear and not neutral. My instructor then told me he had intentionally done this to test whether I was genuinely checking before starting and not just assuming. While I may have spotted the trap, it's not hard to see how easily we can become complacent.

@hernerweisenberg7052

2 ай бұрын

I know it put a little extra load on the starter, I allways start in neutral. However, my father allways left the car in gear for parking, incase the handbrake failed, and he allways started in gear too, never had to replace the starter on the mercedes he drove for 20 years+

@edwardruff7927

Ай бұрын

We had a boss who hung the keys to company vehicles on the oil dipstick. When we radioed in looking for the keys he’d ask “did you check the oil?”

I flew out of DFW later that same afternoon. It was a strange feeling taking off and seeing the burned plane on the other side of the airport. In 1988, DFW was a hub for Delta.

The "We're not gonna make it... FULL POWER" always gives me chills

@dannileigh6426

Жыл бұрын

Infamous last line...recorded far too often.

@adonisjp7466

Жыл бұрын

And then the screams n stuff.... chilling

@TTFerdinand

Жыл бұрын

Worse still, they lived and then were told the cause of their crash... ouch

@MACQ98

Жыл бұрын

@@TTFerdinand good

@Cookynator

Жыл бұрын

It's hard listening for sure. The only one I know of that's worse is the Air Florida flight that crashed into the Potomac Captain: Oh God! We're going to crash! First Officer: I know (completely deadpan, resigned to his fate) IIRC the first officer was suggesting they needed to de-ice again, captain said it would be fine, they in fact were not fine.

I flew the 727 years ago, and knew about this incident. At 6:56 in the video they called "15, 15, green light" That means the flap handle is set to 15 degrees, the flap indicator shows that the flaps are indeed extended to 15 degrees, and the green light indicates the flaps are slats are set to the correct takeoff position. Clearly the captain in this case just recited the normal response without checking anything. Perhaps again this is because they were rushed, but an automatic oral response to a checklist without checking contributed to this tragedy.

@ohioguy215

Жыл бұрын

Would it have been standard procedure for them to shut down engine 3, not perform the checklist and configure the aircraft while waiting for takeoff clearance? I'm not a pilot but common sense would suggest not shutting down engine 3, performing the checklist and configuring the aircraft rather than rushing through it on the runway? I would have asked the flight attendant to check the cabin to make sure it is well prepared for takeoff and to take her seat.

@ohioguy215

Жыл бұрын

PS...I can't focus 100% if someone is yakking at me.

@cargopilot747

Жыл бұрын

@@ohioguy215 Some airlines would shut down an engine (often No. 2, the center engine) to save fuel during taxi at large airports where the takeoff point may be a mile or more from parking, with periodic wait times prior to reaching that spot. Our company never did this, because of the possibility to forget restarting prior to takeoff. Rushing through a checklist should never be done but there are times when a crew would rather take an unexpectedly early slot rather than decline it and wait for a future one. As you mentioned, it can hard to concentrate when there's a lot going on in a short time and ATC is breaking in with instructions.

@jamescaley9942

Жыл бұрын

Confirmation bias is genetically programmed.

@jhanks2012

4 ай бұрын

yep he was essentially skipping parts of the checklist. he was not doing the checks but had to give the oral response for the benefit of the recorder to make it sound like the checklist was being completed. whether he did this consciously or not idk. in the rush of the moment his muscle memory took over and by this time of his career he had done so many takeoff checklists that he is simply going thru the motions of checking the boxes at this point i.e. saying all the right things, instead of using the checklist as intended i.e. using it as a reference while making a conscious effort to actually check that all the items on the checklist are configured properly.

I'm a former B727 Flight Engineer from 30 years ago. I trained at the Delta Airlines Simulators @ ATL. I know that with nearly 40 years of experience in aviation, "checklists " are written in somebody's blood.

At the start of my airline career, I was a flight engineer on the 727. I am surprised that the FE didn’t catch the flap error. On takeoff, the FE seat is faced forward. I found that I immediately noticed when the pilots made a mistake.

@233kosta

7 ай бұрын

You notice mistakes if you're "paranoid" about mistakes. If you were trained in a system of trust, one which enforces the idea that "those guys know what they're doing, don't worry about it" you might be inclined to focus less on catching other people's mistakes.

@ual737ret

7 ай бұрын

@@233kosta Pilots are trained to monitor their fellow pilots for mistakes. It has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with crew resource management.

@233kosta

7 ай бұрын

@@ual737ret I agree, but that's what normies call it.

@ual737ret

7 ай бұрын

@@233kosta If they want to call it paranoia and that paranoia saves lives it’s ok with me.

@collin571

7 ай бұрын

I would call it cautious as opposed to paranoid

This reminded me of the LAPA 3142 crash. Is very similar to this one, but the take off configuration alarm did go off, but pilots ignored it. Unbelievable

@pennywaltz4601

Жыл бұрын

Yeah man the crew of Lapa flight 3142 were also smoking in the cockpit when it is not allowed because the airline didn't do their job right! Hope disaster breakdown will cover Lapa 3142 next time on Saturday?

@robertmcghintheorca49

Жыл бұрын

LAPA Flight LPR3142 crashed 11 years to the very day of Delta Air Lines Flight DAL1141.

@shariys1

Жыл бұрын

Northwest 255 ...

Yep, too distracted that they missed crucial steps in setting their plane for takeoff: extending the flaps. American 1420 also missed a step in arming their brakes and spoilers while santa barbara flight 518 was late and they didn't wait for the navigation devices to synchronize before taking off.

@davesmith5656

Жыл бұрын

I don't pilot any aircraft, and maybe I'm just stupid and unappreciative, but it seems to me that a pilot should automatically set critical flight components such as engines, flaps, the correct runway, clearance, and whatever might be in front of him. He should do that as automatically as I put my car into "D", or shift into first gear, check headlights if at night, know the current air temperature (ice?), warm the engine so the windshield defrost works, make sure there isn't a lost bear standing on the hood, and press the gas pedal. And no one tell me "it's a lot more complicated to fly a plane"! You can spell, and talk, and read, and those functions are a lot more complicated to learn than flying a plane. Most people can recite the alphabet of 26 letters, as well as know their use. As for the banter, I mean really ... if you're married and thinking about cataloguing dating habits, on your work time, especially with 100 some-odd people's lives in your hands, you've got a damaged sense of relationships to begin with. TV drama version of "kiss and tell"? Better would be checking to see if everyone got enough sleep and is alert, instruments, and what weather conditions are.

@louieosumo

Жыл бұрын

@@davesmith5656 speaking of wrong runways, there are 2 of them: singapore flight 006, and Comair flight 5191

@billwindsor4224

4 ай бұрын

@@davesmith5656 Excellent and apropos comment … and I love the “lost bear standing on the hood.” 🏆

I was there that day and saw the wreckage. Very sad. I have lost three friends to airline tragedies, but luckily we learn from each one and improve safety

I was a prefessional pilot for 40 years, and I am incredulous at the thought that any pilot could forget somethng that important. It's like Air Florida taking off in a snow storm and not thinking to activate the anti-ice system. Mind boggling.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, this accident isn’t a surprise to me. No matter how or experienced or professional pilots are, they are still vulnerable to this kind of error. Its just human nature. Over the last few decades CRM training has gone a long way to improving safety. The main mitigation against this kind of incident is to recognise that being a ‘professional’ pilot doesn’t make you immune to error and be willing to implement strategies to recognise and correct errors. I’ve been flying a long time and I continue to learn from these kinds of accidents.

@billlawrence1899

Жыл бұрын

@@Everything_E-Bike Agreed. CRM was a vast upgrade in the way crews work togeether. As a captain, I used to tell my crews "As soon as I'm perfect, I'll be a prick. Until then, I'll take all the help I can get. See something you don't like, speak up"!

I think the flight crew got it right, "nobody talks about 191, that crashed due to faulty maintenance", same thing here, everyone is talking about the casual conversation and nobody talks about the missing warning, that infact was absent due to faulty maintenance Edit: It seems that some people are missing the point that the Crew are Humans too, and Humans make mistakes (they clearly talk about the flaps befor taking off, just not noticing that they are in the incorrect set up) , the Alert would have most likely prevented an oversight turning deadly, BUT i do agree that the Maintenance staff are not to blame under the condition that the Alert was not needed for the Minimum Required Equipment list that the FAA demands to be complet for a plane to be classed as Airworthy. Anybody who thinks professionals dont make mistakes has clearly not lived long enough or is in the belive that they wouldnt make mistakes in the same position, a waiter in a resturant spilling a drink is also a professional who has made a mistake even tho in that case its not going to kill anybody, i know it might be hard, but please dont be so ignorant.

@tessiepinkman

Жыл бұрын

You said everything that really needs to be said about this incident. It's tragic, frustrating and infuriating at the same time.

@brianm.6271

Жыл бұрын

Seems to me like the CVR was intentionally released to draw attention from the maintenance issues.

@glennzanotti3346

Жыл бұрын

@@brianm.6271 Maintenance issues don't change the fact that the pilots didn't set the flaps for takeoff.

@paulyoung7551

Жыл бұрын

@Glenn Zanotti Maybe so, but the lack of a takeoff config warning meant that the pilots lacked a crucial warning system to catch their mistakes. It was essentially the last line of defence in this accident sequence. While I certainly would not consider it the primary cause, it is a major contributing factor to the failed takeoff.

@Jasonificatiation

Жыл бұрын

maintenance people always get away with it and if you know anything about the culture of that working environment its freaking pathetic.

Delta does not have a large presence at dfw now, but it was a significant dl hub until the early 2000s. DL even had a dedicated satellite concourse for its regional jets.

@fluxerflixer1

Жыл бұрын

And a HUGE maintenance hanger

@pickles3128

Жыл бұрын

SO many airports stagnated around then, their hubs dried up. I remember they were extending KSTL with a 3rd runway, a $2.1 BILLION (with a B) strip of tarmac) right when 9/11 happened. TWA went bankrupt, the whole reason they were building the runway. They shoulda cancelled the project but they didn't. Now they'll never make back the revenue... Although I get to watch them test fly the F-15s and the F/A-18 Super Hornets they build here (I'm right under 12L.)

@MikeSmith-sz3vh

9 ай бұрын

Yes they did , and now almost 19 years later, here I am , sitting in ATL.

I have heard that voice recording a few times before and have always been incredulous the way they were discussing crashes as if making jokes of them, dating habits of flight attendants, etc.....just chilling.

@KingStr0ng

Жыл бұрын

They knew it was going to happen. Spiritually. I think everyone is told by God before their death.

@DoubleMonoLR

Жыл бұрын

@@KingStr0ng Rubbish.

@KingStr0ng

Жыл бұрын

@@DoubleMonoLR Not rubbish. People know when they are going to die. Some even have dreams of their own death.

@Tj11813

Жыл бұрын

@@KingStr0ng K...

@Its-Kurb

8 ай бұрын

​@@KingStr0ng They didn't die though

Despite the sad stories you make your video's with great research and info. They become better and better! Thank you for your time and passion!

@DisasterBreakdown

Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

That recording is so chilling knowing their fate. I don't often get bothered by cockpit audio but dang... Gotta say, you've got a way of creating these that hooks me right in! Fantastic video Chloe 💛

wow .. those captured words by the crew are chilling. just wow..

Funny thing....I automatically hit the like button here even before I watch the video. The content has never disappointed.

@DisasterBreakdown

Жыл бұрын

You're too kind!

@phantomf4747

Жыл бұрын

@@DisasterBreakdown Truth. Keep it up!

Takeoff warning horn or no Takeoff warning horn the fact that 3 sets of eyes missed the omission of flap selection is most distressing at this level of operation.

As a side note, the mention of "Flight 191" on the CVR may confuse some, and there is a reason for it. It actually refers to two tragic air disasters. American Airlines Flight 191 crashed in Chicago, Illinois when an engine broke off, resulting in the pilots suffering flight control problems. That crash killed 273 people. Delta Air Lines Flight 191 crashed in Dallas, Texas when the plane flew into a downdraft, causing the aircraft to fall to the ground, killing 136 people on the plane and one on the ground.

When I lived in Jackson, MS I used to take this particular flight quite often. In fact, I'd taken it one month prior to the crash.

Correction... Delta used to have a very large crew base in DFW. When they closed it in the 90s or 2000s, dfw-atl became the most difficult commute on the planet.

Wow! Those last few seconds of CVR are pretty intense!😮😮

@sarahdiehl2672

7 ай бұрын

Right ? The panicking and yelling I think reinforces how under trained they were. I’ve never heard pilots get that nervous in a CVR.

The new microphone definitely made a difference. These are always so well done, and I never thought the audio was lacking before, but this is still a noticeable step up.

Accidents don't ever happen "just out of nowhere", they are a combination of several mistakes, each having little to no effect on the accident. The chat with the flight attendant (the opposite of "sterile cockpit") would not have had any impact if the warning would have sounded to remind them that they missed something. Being in a hurry didn't help. Rushing the checklist out of muscle memory and not even looking what they were checking was the biggest mistakes. These jobs ARE repetetive, so that is exactly why there are checklists - to ensure, EVERYTHING is taken care of even if you've done this task for the umpthiest time.

Been a watcher of this channel for about a year, and every single video is amazing, great work

@DisasterBreakdown

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words!

@pennywaltz4601

Жыл бұрын

@@DisasterBreakdown could you do Lapa flight 3142 next Saturday? You'll be shock by how the pilots behavior they didn't do the checklist correctly also they were smoking in the cockpit on that day and unlike northwest and delta flights the Lapa flight warning sounded but what the pilots reaction will stun you!

@NeoTheKuria

Жыл бұрын

Hey DB, Could you do Turkish 98? Its a very interesting crash and you will be shocked by some factors in it.

Sound Quality is a distinct upgrade, Chloe!!! Excellent coverage of this incident, too... As always, I can't wait for your next! ;o)

The new microphone has provided a really nice, crisp sound recording. A very good investment in my opinion.

It is an old story: If it CAN HAPPEN it WILL HAPPEN. Not sure whether "a sterile cockpit" applies to ground operations preparing for takeoff or after landing and clearing to a taxiway.

@paulcrumley9756

Жыл бұрын

Sterile cockpit rules apply to all critical phases of flight, including: taxi, takeoff and landing, and all other flight operations conducted below 10,000 feet, except cruise flight.

@anna_in_aotearoa3166

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for clarifying that! I'd been wondering too; clearly one of the items that has been tightened up considerably under improved CRM in modern airlines.

@ivarwind

11 ай бұрын

@@paulcrumley9756 Yes, indeed. At first I expected the conclusion to be that this accident contributed to the introduction of sterile cockpit rules, but it turns out those rules were introduced seven years prior. They just broke them (in excess).

This CVR and accident sequence has always stayed with me and likely always will.

It's unfortunate. Delta 1141 is another accident similar to Spainair 5022 and Northwest 255. Also it is shocking that the pilots mentioned Continental Airlines 1713 a DC-9-14 I believe that specific DC-9 registered as N626TX. 28 of the 82 people onboard were killed including both pilots who died to blunt force trauma. I believe it was 77 passengers and 5 crew members. It would be nice to do Continental Airlines 1713 as it would be nice to see it covered because, it is rather intriguing. Also, it's not only the sterile cockpit rule broken but kinda rushed the flight crew when they were jumped to the number 1 position. Also, I found it unclear how the oversight of the flaps being set. It's shocking the fact that in the span of 1 second. Between the Captain and First Officer missed the fact that the flaps weren't set Inspite of the copilot saying 15, 15 green light. Nevertheless (I forgot to mention this) the same case with the takeoff configuration warning. Northwest 255 also had this silenced but I think I'm saying a bit too much as that video is already out. Edit: What's even more shocking for me personally for the mention of Delta Airlines 191. Which crashed not far from Dallas Fort Worth Airport this time on final approach onto Runway 17L. Microburst and the crew's decision to fly into it was the cause of why 137 of the 154 people onboard were killed + 1 ground fatality and the fact American Airlines 191 this time was mentioned. That was just shocking as a whole.

@Powerranger-le4up

Жыл бұрын

Continental 1713 was also the first time that the NTSB recommend that airlines conduct better background checks on their pilots. It took three other crashes before anything was done.

@grmpEqweer

Жыл бұрын

Possible dumb question: did they know they were flying into a microburst?

@RBMapleLeaf

Жыл бұрын

@@grmpEqweer Well in 1985 the radars only detected rain and storms but not really microburst however, the Captain of Delta 191 was aware of it but due to visibility and possibly the workload on the pilots on final approach. They hit a sudden headwind then a downdraft followed by Tailwind. It's like windshear but worse. When the pilots broke out of the clouds they lost control, hit the ground with some force the left side landing gear and engine 1 on fire. Over a highway than slammed into a water tank with the tail of the plane spiralling away with most of the front and middle of the plane disintegrated. 27 of the 154 passengers survived most in the rear of the plane where some of the plane was intact. Some survivors were from the middle of the plane however, unfortunately 137 + 1 on the ground were killed. The worst part was that this was all in sight from the DFO (Dallas Fort Worth Airport) Control Tower. Short of the runway threshold of Runway 17L

@erikaswanson7072

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't believe it myself when they mentioned Flight 191, like it was a joke or nothing serious at all.

despite the somber subjects of your videos, I found your channel a few months ago now and have been excited for the new video drops on saturdays ever since!

great video, as always! looking forward to that extra video later in the month!

Thank you for another really clear story/documentary, I always feel Ive learned an extra something about every crash you document! And I started watching Air Crash Investigation many years ago when the series first started

Your videos are really remarkable, very well researched and meticulously presented. I also love your clear voice and clean pronounciation. And ultimately kudos for always being so non-judgemental.

Excellent work Chloe! Your new microphone sounds clearer, so, great adquisition! 👍🏼 And as for the crash, indeed, very sad, especially for the fact that it was the same accident repeated several times (Lufthansa 540, Northwest 255, Delta 1141, LAPA 3142 and Spanair 5022). Very eerie as well is to hear the CVR mentioning all the crashes they did, and saying "if we crash, let's leave some recorded for our wives..." 😳😨 RIP all the victims of Delta 1141 🙏🏼

This is called self-fulfilling prophecy

@kahlesjf

Жыл бұрын

Only if you can prove cause and effect. If not, it is a coincidence made into an urban myth riddled with meaning introduced by the story teller.

Excellent job, as usual!

Always a great video! Sound is great!

Your new mic sounds great Chloe, you sound like you're in the room with me speaking, very clear even with just one earbud in. As for the crash, I don't think I could tempt fate the way they did by casually discussing airplane crashes. I also got the sense that Dixie wasn't really comfortable with the initial conversation topic, but that she was sort of stuck there and made the best of it. Purely my own impression, based on what I heard.

Great video chloe. Always super interesting

This was the most in depth explanation of this incident that I have seen yet! I can't imagine the survivor guilt those people must have gone through though. At any rate, thanks for this video and you got a new sub👍

Thanks for another interesting video Chloe! I don't think I had heard of this crash before, but it reminded me of two very similar crashes that both happened on MD-82s - Northwest Flight 255 and Spanair Flight 5022. In both of those, the pilots also forgot to set the flaps, and the flap warning system did not deploy. At least in the Spanair crash, the pilot also pitched the nose up more when the plane wouldn't climb. The Spanair crash hit quite close to home for me, since I had flown on a Spanair MD-80 just a few months before that crash happened.

Let’s go DB! Equipment sounds great! Another great video! Love you DB!

Excellent work as usual Chloe. Always a highlight of my Sunday morning. (Time difference.)

@johnpurdy3336

Жыл бұрын

Who's chloe?

@andrewstevenson118

Жыл бұрын

@@johnpurdy3336 The person who created this channel and produces the content for it.

Thank you for making all this. I’m really fascinated with airplanes.

@storytimewithunclekumaran5004

Жыл бұрын

agreed

Another video, I'm so fascinated with airplanes and thanks DB

It's true not a single individual is to blame... all 4 of them were to blame, even if they were stuck in traffic, they should have been doing the checklists so they could take off when given the all clear...

Love this video, thanks for making it!

wow, when i realized that the takeoff configuration warning was missing, i got really surprized! what bizarre coincidence. im not sure why an important warning like this wasnt fixed. i assume it isnt included into the list of minimal equipment that a plane is allowed to fly with; otherwise this is criminal negligence... the only positive outcome of this case is that now the pilots can learn from it and realize, how important it is to be vigilant during the takeoff and landing - even if they stand in a queue for takeoff!

@dannileigh6426

Жыл бұрын

...and landing...two phases of flight you REALLY don't want to be rushed or distracted or careless during.

I'm new to the channel, just wanted to say you have a really nice voice. it's so gentle, perfect for such a serious topic.

Jesus Christ man- can you imagine your wife or husband being on that burning plane- how you would feel? That poor man, the pain he went through before death was horrible, I bet. Not just the physical pain from the burns but the pain of knowing his wife was gone, that he hadn't managed to save her. I hope, if there is any kind of consciousness after death, that he found peace and rest- and his wife.

@ChicagoMel23

Жыл бұрын

There is indeed,and it depends on acceptance of Jesus as savior. And his name shouldn’t be used as an exclamation

@bobtaylor170

Жыл бұрын

@@ChicagoMel23 , thank you for saying it. I hope the commenter reads John 11: 25, 26.

I remember the Delta flight 191 crash that happened at Dallas-Fort Worth in 85.

Remember this one very well. Reminds me of the NorthWest DC-9. Flight 255 leaving Detroit, I believe it was. Took off with retracted flaps and slats. Couldn't climb. Hit some of those tall poles with lights on them in a rental car parking lot. Think I remember it inverted and skidded under an overpass. They found the circuit breaker for the configuration warning tone disabled. It was discovered that pilots routinely pulled that breaker to silence the alarm because it was annoying. Goosing the power to simply get the aircraft rolling from a complete stop would set it off. The plane thinks the pilots are attempting to take off wrongly configured when all they're doing is getting the power up to get moving from a complete standstill. A runway change interrupted the take off checklist. Distracted the two pilots and everyone except a little girl perished. For decades, that little girl stayed very private about the accident. Not too very long ago, I did see an interview she finally gave. She grew up to become a beautiful young woman and is married and has children herself. Her mother was sitting right next to her during that flight. Getting rushed and complacent and distracted is inexcusable on a flight deck. When I learned to fly, I was taught that we do NOT have to accept ATC changes for convenience. And, IF directed to change runways, IF you need more time to recalculate, REQUEST that time. That wasn't done with the DC-9 flight. The flight crew got interrupted, rushed, and the warning didn't sound because it had been disabled. Sad.

@lorenjackson8961

8 ай бұрын

My brother was one of the first individuals at the crash site in Romulus, MI that day. He was driving west down Wick Rd approaching the light at Middlebelt Rd. He said he saw the plane coming towards him and struggling to climb. It crashed on Middlebelt Rd between the railroad tracks and I-94. My brother parked and ran towards the crash site but realized he couldn't really do anything because of the intense fire. He said the memories of smelling burning jet fuel and seeing burned body parts laying all over the place haunted him for years.

@robr2389

8 ай бұрын

@@lorenjackson8961 I'm sure it has haunted him ever since. I'm sure it would me, as well.

If the plane had taxied onto the runway waiting to take off...shouldn't it already be configured ?. Banter between the crew is not unusual but I would like to hear the whole CVR to see how long Dixie was in the flight deck and when she left. The few seconds we heard here is a bit unfair as it doesn't paint the whole picture.

Great video as always 😀

@DisasterBreakdown

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

oh yeah this incident is similar to lapa flight 3142 no wonder why there is a rule of sterile cockpit in todays time.

Much better audio, well done!!!

Hello your video was incredible and I was so shocked to not hear the warning tone. That was a dreadful mistake on the part of the maintenance staff.

Didn't know that you used music by Lemino! That's cool to see/hear! Also love the content as per usual

Great video, thanks! Yes, the mic sounds much better.

Oh wow, I remember this one well as it was local to me and it was the last day of summer before I started 7th grade. I was surprised how many people survived and escaped safely. Also very weird how the pilots were talking about crashes and leaving something for their wives to listen to if they ended up crashing, right before they actually did crash. Really sad how the flight attendant they were talking to just moments earlier ended up dying when they didn't.

thank you Chloe for the particularly impartial, well-balanced take on this crash....it's again one of those "swiss cheese" crashes where lots of holes need to line up.....none of them disastrous on their own but when combined they cause catastrophe. I think it's fair the pilot and co-pilot were sacked and am glad they didn't face jail time. There should have been some action against Delta though. I think this crash is quite similar to the horrendous Spanair crash at Madrid ~2006, although in that case I don't think "non-pertinent" conversation was involved.....but the crash was due to misconfiguration, pilots being rushed and failure of misconfiguration alarm (i think)

@Jabarri74

Жыл бұрын

Easy to blame the pilots when the failsafe specifically designed to stop this was inoperable yet the plane was deemed air worthy. If it isn't mandatory to have it working why install it in the first place? I like the swiss cheese analogy, but sacking them and airline gets to walk away scot free seems harsh

@TheEarthRealm

Жыл бұрын

Why not jail time? They blatantly lied during their checklist and killed 13 innocent unsuspecting people. 🤷🏿‍♂️

Chloé your videos are amazing. 🎉

There was also a breaker that some pilots trip on purpose so they don't have to listen to alarm. Happened on a northwestern flight earlier

I've seen this story told in other places and they say that the NTSB says that the takeoff configuration alarm didn't go off because one of the pilots had pulled out the P40 circuit breaker to disable the alarm during taxi.

I live near DFW Airport, around 30 minutes from it & it’s crazy to think that we’ve had two accidents, 3 years apart from each other

@bwc1976

Жыл бұрын

I remember seeing local TV coverage of both as a kid.

Definitely keep the weather insert in the future reports. A great addition to any of your future videos. I know I learned more about weather clouds, etc. and look forward to learning more. In addition, weather usually plays a lesser to a greater degree in the outcome of a flight. This comment is really for Braniff flight 352 landing in Dawson Texas. The question about weather reporting to be included in future videos or not.

There's no excuse for failing to spot the flap issue. Nothing takes off without flaps. That's like forgetting to throttle up.

I wonder if there were V speed call outs. Because if the pilots would’ve been cognizant of the necessary V speeds in relation to the length of the runway, they could have rejected the takeoff at an appropriate time. Furthermore, if there was a tail strike (I didn’t hear this mentioned). That could have been another clue to the misconfiguration of the aircraft. Just curious

Love your content. I was on a scary flight once.

Good report...I just subbed...

That’s interesting - I’ve seen another video of this (Smithsonian Channel which focuses on the work of NTSB) and on there it was stated that because the alarm wasn’t working properly and was annoying to pilots, it had been disabled. Your version sounds far more likely however. This is one of the best airline accident channels and your narration is always excellent! I hadn’t noticed it needed a new mic, but the sound coming from it is certainly very good.

@justadudeffs

Жыл бұрын

That was the Northwest 255 accident. EXTREMELY similar circumstances (rushed crew forgot to deploy the flaps despite running the checklists). The difference is the NWA crew had a late runway change instead of non pertinent conversation and an intentionally disabled t/o config warning. That and of course all aboard the NWA aircraft save for one toddler died.

@moiraatkinson

Жыл бұрын

@@justadudeffs thank you! 😊 that’s solved the mystery. I’m pleased to hear that both what was said here and what I’d heard are correct. Many thanks for taking the time to set things straight. 😊

love how well researched and presented your videos are! i probably shouldn't be watching this right before going on a flight home haha, but yeah love your channel !

A similar accident would happen in Argentina in 1999 (LAPA Flight 3142, which could be its own vid). Only difference was, the Captain heard the Take-off Configuration Warning, but ignored it.

If this doesn't reinforce sterile cockpit rules when in takeoff mode, I don't know what was. The holes in the slices of the Swiss Cheese model lined up perfectly for this disaster. Yikes

We all do this, we all get distracted and mess up doing the most easy things. For example not long ago I put my vape pen in my ear and my earbud in my lips and I was so distracted it even took me a few seconds to realize why there was no sound in ears and why my vape pen felt rubbery. The difference is when a commercial pilot does it, hundreds of people's lives are on the line.

Good morning from Florida

Very nice video. Sad to hear the staff having a little joke about a tragedy, but I guess we all have our own coping mechanisms. I'll keep my judgment to myself regarding fault, but I think it's pretty clear where the fault lies! New audio is sounding great. Cheers for the hard work, mate. Much love. 💜

The screams at the end of the voice recording is haunting!

Almost exactly a year prior to this, Northwest 255 crashed at DTW due to improperly configured flaps. . . The takeoff warning didn't warn, though in this flight it's possible the crew had disabled the warning for nuisance removal. The MD-80 series, when taxiing on a single engine would activate the warning at bad times. . .

I remember this accident…Very sad 😢

Yes, your audio sounds fantastic!

@DisasterBreakdown

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Good to get feedback on that, glad to know its sounding good :)

@dex1lsp

Жыл бұрын

@@DisasterBreakdown You're welcome. I'm glad that feedback is useful. Great work as always, Chloe. Keep doing what you do!

Thanks!

@DisasterBreakdown

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the SuperThanks, legend. Really appreciated :)

the last 30 seconds of the cvr are always the most chilling even if they survive. Just they in this one he says "We're not gonna make it" followed by a 'we're all gonna die'-scream and the sound of the aircraft hitting things before it just cuts off

I was under the impression that the cockpit was supposed to be a disciplined and sterile environment, especially when preparing for take-off, take off itself, preparing to land, and landing itself. Assuming that these rules were in place in 1988, I suggest that a large part of the problem was that casual conversations were happening in the cockpit serving to distract the flight crew from diligently performing their duties. Clearly, ongoing pilot training was neither adequate, methodical or stringent enough to prevent such rookie errors as leaving the flaps retracted, or for the pilot flying to know that a 'nose up' position with inadequate speed would stall the aircraft. The stick shaker is there for a reason - and when this stall warning happens, the instinct should be both to put the nose down and to increase power. They increased power but did the opposite of putting the nose down. If the pilots felt that configuring the aircraft for take-off was too rushed, they should have informed ATC that they were not yet ready, and should not have allowed themselves to be hassled into a rushed take-off procedure. Being thrust into an unexpected panic to take-off is highly undesirable, and has often resulted in tragedy. Delta Airlines should shoulder some of the blame for inadequate pilot training, of not insisting in a sterile environment during times of high workload, and of not fixing an important safety feature on this particular aircraft.

“They do everything bigger in Texas, after all…” As a Dallasite, I can confirm! I’m pretty sure DFW has its own ZIP code ‘cause it’s so damn big… Another great video!

Casual conversations aside, the fact that they were discussing previous plane crashes, and then also crashing afterward is just so eerie to listen to.

There is no work overload with 3 persons in the cockpit! This is a gross negligence case, pure and simple!! No excuses!!

Can't believe with all the warnings there was none for the control flaps? The attendant was the same age I am now. 30 years she worked and one day it was over. Those poor victims. I can't watch these documentaries anymore.

Whenever you get on a plane you simply have to pray that your pilots are not morons and the maintenance people took their job seriously.

So if the captain had kept the nose down at a shallow angle of attack with full power on would that have saved the plane? Or would it have crashed anyway?

@abebuckingham8198

Жыл бұрын

I don't think so. You really have to extend those flaps.

@guyseeten2755

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering the same. I think they would have just ended up a little further, hitting a fence, light poles or a storage tank or so. They simply didn't have enough height. But pulling on the yoke was an intuitive act, contrary to what he had learned.

I remember old Sterling pictures with the 727-200. But I recall pilot training had to be modified to acommodate the tricky sides of the 727...

at the time, Delta Airlines did sort of have a hub at DFW, especially for midwestern regional flights for Atlantic Southeast Airlines

Since the flaps are essential part of every take of and landing, it should not be technically possible to initiate a take off before the flaps are configured.