You can HEAR the disappointment, the pain, and confusion in Isaac’s voice.

@teamsteed1

Ай бұрын

Yep.

@user-StarMaster

14 күн бұрын

Seeing isaac upset is like seeing spongebob lose the joy in his job :(

I think the best homage to the company was Once Upon a Studio.

@peterrealar2.067

Ай бұрын

THAT was the better homage. It just needed better sketch artists for the inbetweens.

@chryssychrys2621

Ай бұрын

I cried watching that ❤

@Prototype-357

Ай бұрын

And also every single animatic made by youtubers about this movie.

@Hondoku

Ай бұрын

MOST definitely the better homage

@13sinra13

Ай бұрын

Definitely!

It’s amazing how studios in Europe and Japan have no issue with making 2D animated films and their audience still really enjoy them (especially the latter).

@IsaacCarlson

Ай бұрын

100%. People don't see animated movies because they're certain medium. If a studio puts out and supports a great story with compelling characters, people will enjoy it no matter if its CG or hand drawn.

@UmmYeahOk

Ай бұрын

@@IsaacCarlsonactually, in the US, many people believe that any animated film, may it be 2D or CGI, is for children. If you saw it, you saw it with your kids, for them. You didn’t go to WDW for you, you went for your kids, and so on. Yes, there are Disney adults, and they love animated movies, even those that aren’t Disney, but this is still not considered normal behavior for our culture. Only recently have we been able to learn that there are indeed others like us that are out there, and feel normalcy from that.

@UmmYeahOk

Ай бұрын

I don’t know about Europe, but Japan is currently having a labor issue regarding this. They really aren’t paid well. The next generation of animators live in communes, learning skills within, being subsidized by donors, some of which are even funded by Americans. Naturally, young people don’t want to go into that line of work because they simply can’t afford to. They can’t negotiate better pay with the studios either because the studios, while successful, don’t make much money either. The ones getting rich are the investors. Let’s say I discovered this awesome manga series. I want it to become an animated franchise. So I tell Studio X, “hey, make this for me!” They say, “ok, that will be ¥¥¥¥¥.” I say, “well, that’s too much. Studio Y says they’ll do it for ¥¥¥.” Studio X panics, knows Studio Y most definitely would work that cheap and either offers the same low bid or even less. Basically the studios need to unionize so they don’t have to compete with each other like this. If one studio wants to pay their staff a living wage, all studios need to, or they won’t be able to stay in business. Disney doesn’t have this problem. They are the investor. They are the studio. They are a multi billion dollar corporation, that can totally afford to pay better and still be significantly profitable. But they won’t.

At least it had watercolor backgrounds. Being fully 2D, it wouldn't have fixed the film's other issues. But at least it would feel a little less generic and more like an homage to Disney.

@bondservant4jesus

Ай бұрын

Yeah. The story wasn't that great. The songs weren't too great.

@13sinra13

Ай бұрын

I don’t know; I’ve seen clips of Rosas, and it doesn’t look at all like watercolor backgrounds. It just looks like a kingdom town with dull colors. I didn’t get how the villagers were cheering for the “wonders” that Rosas had to offer.

@adnanjusufovic5177

Ай бұрын

They’re not watercolor they’re gouache. Sleeping Beauty also had gouache and it was even said in the concept book

@UmmYeahOk

Ай бұрын

I find it strange how in an attempt to cram 100 years worth of Disney references into a single movie they managed to create something that actually lacks that Disney magic and feels ”generic.”

@13sinra13

Ай бұрын

@@UmmYeahOk They were just rushing it and not allowing genuine concepts into full realization. By the way, I like your commenter’s name. I hope you have a good day!

I think Wish had so much potential, what could have been a wonderful 100 anniversary. Wasted because they were afraid to change their style, they played it safe.

@UmmYeahOk

Ай бұрын

That was because the evil sorcerer stole their wish, and now they are boring. Did you not see the movie? 😁 I think throughout it, both me and my husband were trying to figure out exactly who the villain was supposed to be in real life. Everything was a representation of something else. 100 years of history. So who exactly was the villain in that history?

@daviddyster4145

Ай бұрын

@@UmmYeahOk Magnifico, but I could see way better movies.

@UmmYeahOk

Ай бұрын

@@daviddyster4145yeah, but who did he represent? All of Asha’s friends were representations of the seven dwarves. The movie was nothing but references. What made it interesting was trying to figure out if the story itself had a real life reference. Was Magnifico Chapek? Iger? DeSantis? The actual Disney corporation itself?!? I just saw Inside Out, and the 1984 Apple reference, though cool, made me wonder exactly what they meant by it. There really would not be a Pixar, had it not been for Apple, or rather, Steve Jobs. Joy is literally telling the animators (they are literally animating thoughts for Riley.) to stop being told what to do. The villain can’t control you. After symbolically smashing the screen, freeing the mindless zombies from being controlled, just as they did in the Apple commercial, are they essentially telling the studio that no one has a right to control what you do and create? BTW, if you haven’t seen it yet, don’t worry. It’s not much of a spoiler. It’s just one short scene that doesn’t really progress the story too much.

@DrAngelKins

Ай бұрын

Wish was the only film that can be played unsafe since it's the company's anniversary.

First of all, Chris Buck and Jennifer Lee's mindsets for why it wasn't 2D animated is one of the many reasons why those two NEED to be fired from Disney, ASAP. But also, i hate the idea that the 2D animation represents "Living in the past" there is still so much you can do with 2D animation even up to today, and still so much potential that medium has to offer. Even if they couldn't do it, why not find a middle ground and go a similar route that Spider-verse and The Last Wish did with its animation styles? Whatever, personally, i think Wish shouldve been 2D animated, or at least, should've had a middle ground, A La Puss in Boots: the Last Wish, and the Spider-verse movies/films. Also, Issac, will you be doing videos on some of the scrapped concepts of the film? Such as the Villain Couple and the Starboy (plus his rumored romance with Asha)?

@peterrealar2.067

Ай бұрын

BINGO, Last Wish and Spider-Verse PROVED Style wins all. Disney is stuck in the WRONG past.

@Taydar

Ай бұрын

​@peterrealar2.067 wrong those movies used style to mask cheap animation. This used techniques to blend the two. Gets some artistic taste before making inane comments both of you.

@peterrealar2.067

Ай бұрын

@@Taydar BULLCRAP. Wish was just a lame texture on top of their typical CG models. Spider-Verse was a LOVE LETTER to 2D animation techniques and even inspired the damn industry. Who's the inane one here? I'm an animation major, you punk.

@peterrealar2.067

Ай бұрын

@@Taydar I'd like you try and take FOUR YEARS to animate a THRONG of Spider-People chasing after Miles. That's ART while also making a film that makes a SPLASH PAGE for every frame. That's not cheap animation. That's LABOR INTENSIVE animation.

@orangeslash1667

Ай бұрын

@@peterrealar2.067 The problem is that Princess and the Frog didn't do amazing in the box-office while Tangled and Frozen were big success. Giving Disney a reason to believe that the general public likes 3d more.

2D Will always be a classic method. So MANY timeless classics done in that way! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

I think when it comes to Wish's animation they probably wanted to combine the two types of animation that Disney was known for doing and good at 2D and 3D animation

@danielsvetlichny5721

Ай бұрын

That is right. I personally thought they did a good job.

@kentslocum

Ай бұрын

Then why didn't they market the film like that? ☹️

@danielsvetlichny5721

Ай бұрын

@@kentslocum Probably some disgruntled fool.

Lee's comments on the camera movement "issues" are especially infuriating when you look at films like "Roger Rabbit." A Live Action movie where the camera movement is constant and fluid and at no point feels restricted for the sake of the hand drawn cartoon characters. The only limit with 2D animation is the artist's imagination. No doubt If Richard Williams heard Lee's comments, he would've laughed and mocked her words endlessly. It was very disheartening when I listened to Mark Henn's post-retirement interview with the Bancroft brothers. On top of him being dissatisfied with the little work he gets, he also mentioned how so often he and Eric Goldberg would bring in ideas and find ways to incorporate 2D into every project (including Wish) only to be denied and disappointed. I hope Disney animation finds its way again as it did in the 80s. But I struggle to have faith in the idea more and more as time goes by.

@ameliajones9827

Ай бұрын

I hope so, too. But in order to make it happen, we really need to convince the company to return to hand drawn and I may have just the story to do it.

Honestly, I'm glad they didn't. If it was unchanged in any other aspect, other than being in 2D, the public and critics would still hate it, and Disney would just use it as yet another argument why they will never make another 2D movie

@IsaacCarlson

Ай бұрын

I completely agree. I hope the studio has learned that making a film with the Disney name in 3D isn't enough to create a successful film.

I think it's best it wasn't 2D. People would blame its poor reception and performance on it being hand drawn and put another nail in the traditional animation coffin

The closest to a legitimate 2D moment in Wish was where Asha was showing a drawing on her sketchbook to King Magnifico and then you see the drawing come to life when she was flipping the pages.

I was born in '97. I'm glad I grew up during the time when Disney was using hand-drawn films even through they were on the verge of collapsing. Atlantis, The Emperors New Groove, Tarzan and even modern films i.e. The Princess and The Frog were great films that had gorgeous 2D animation. Disney NEEDS to revisit this medium.

The fact that Once Upon A Studio achieved the perfect blending and celebration of all the different art styles from every Disney movie in less than 10 minutes compared to Wish not achieving at all with over an hour to do so is still so baffling to me. They achieved the greatness they wanted and achieved nothing at all with 2 totally separate animation projects both meant for the same celebration

In summary, they fired the artists who can do it and the higher ups don't want to do it. The artist who have the skills are considered unnecessary and the higher ups think that what they have are better. In other words, they don't like their past and try to stay away from it as far as they can. Wish is a movie that was essentially forced out of them. They are forced into something they don't want: go back to the old Disney. "Style that was uniquely Disney" - I consider Wish's style to be uniquely Disney, but Disney as it is now, not the Disney that you know in the past.

"2d anIMaTiON is LiMIteD" The real irony there is that Wish flopped so hard that it lost to The Boy and the Heron, a 2D animated film.

@dwaynewood2424

Ай бұрын

And Leo on Netflix.

@tylerfish2701

Ай бұрын

@@dwaynewood2424 That too.

@andrewchung2940

27 күн бұрын

The Boy and the Heron (aka How Do You Live?) was to Hayao Miyazaki what Wish should have been to Disney, a milestone movie that celebrates and reflects upon its creator's career and legacy while challenging its audience.

@tylerfish2701

27 күн бұрын

@@andrewchung2940 Exactly.

I can’t be the only person so disappointed Wish wasn’t a 2D movie. I really enjoy 3D like Tangled which is one of my favorite Disney movies ever, and other ones like Moana, Raya and Encanto, but I’m sick of Disney reusing the same artstyle for almost every stinking movie. One of the things I always loved about the Renaissance movies was each movie had its own style, but they were also inspired from previous movies produced by Walt himself. Maybe it’s just me but Wish’s animation felt more like an unfinished project than the final product. And I’m sick of this self told lie forced on by different studios 2D animation is stupid, childish and outdated. It breaks my heart the only thing that’s keeping 2D animation alive is basically anime and that’s probably why Hayao Miyazaki keeps coming back to make more movies. I don’t hate 3D animation, but its so sad that the main reason why studios refuse to go back to handdrawn animation is because 3D is cheaper and makes more money and kids don’t care about art, all they do is watch whatever’s on screen. Disney, please go back to your roots before its too late

@tylerfish2701

Ай бұрын

Don't forget Cartoon Saloon.

@gerawallstar3487

Ай бұрын

​@tylerfish2701 and these were indie studios that uses 2D animation. I think it's time that we support indie animation.

@tylerfish2701

Ай бұрын

@@gerawallstar3487 Yes, definitely, absolutely.

@Animtion9toonZ

Ай бұрын

@@tylerfish2701I like 2d is soo much better then 3rd but I also like it. 3rd I know it’s like a form of real actors but in a cartoon and 2d is like a form of stop motion but in digital then physical animation. But I like stop motion & 2nd animation Idie the most-

@vincenthoule5643

29 күн бұрын

I agree this movie should've been in 2d.

being born in 1994 I'm proud to say I grew up in a world where hand drawn animation was still the dominant medium and I think wish being hand drawn would have improved the film in some ways

@carlnwakakwa2390

Ай бұрын

I mean, it'll only improve things animation-wise, but the film would have still been bad.

@CHB_is_here

Ай бұрын

@@carlnwakakwa2390if they went with what they did for the final film. If they went with the original concept, it would’ve done AMAZINGLY and Tumblr, AO3, Wattpad and all other fan fiction platforms would’ve ate the movie up. I’m saying this because most of the fandom for this movie is for the concept art. CONCEPT ART and not the legitimate film. If Disney actually stopped and thought about what would make the most money, it would’ve been the original concept, and 2d animation.

@AwesomeYena

Ай бұрын

​@@carlnwakakwa2390Yeah, we'd need the original script.

@MrGabeanator

Ай бұрын

@@AwesomeYena ok

@gerawallstar3487

Ай бұрын

I was born in '97. I'm glad I grew up during the time when Disney was using hand-drawn films even through they were on the verge of collapsing. Atlantis, The Emperors New Groove, Tarzan and even modern films i.e. The Princess and The Frog were great films that had gorgeous 2D animation. Disney NEEDS to revisit this medium.

Isaac, I want to take the opportunity to thank you for sharing your takes in such an optimistic and kind way while not holding back with the very valid points of criticism and what ifs. It keeps my hopes up while also addressing my concerns rather than try to hide them. I - and a lot of other people with me I'd wager - have been very disappointed by a lot of choices in direction made by Disney leadership in recent years. Growing up with such gorgeous works of art that is Disney 2D animation - which I to this day can find new charming details in - and then see it so disrespectfully dismissed is nothing short of heartbreaking. I truly hope Disney can take after the style experimentation trailblaze set by movies like Spiderverse and the Last Wish because that style combined with classic Disney magic ought to be an absolutely mindblowing wonder. I don't dislike Wish even if I am convicned it could have been so much more (personally I enjoyed the art book as much if not more than the movie). I don't dislike 3D Disney, I have equal respect for different forms of art. But it's saddening to see them being treated with such vastly different levels of care and respect by the company that ought to understand the pros and cons of different art forms better than most. Anyway, that's my wall of text, thanks for your hard work and take care!

Jennifer Lee: 2D has too limitations in terms of camera movements. Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Renaissance movies: *Am I a joke to you?*

@IsaacCarlson

Ай бұрын

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? is such a good point! They were working with so many more restrictions than 3D and they made it work.

@kaydenstuff

Ай бұрын

She's clearly never seen the work of James Baxter

@joaopereira817

Ай бұрын

@@IsaacCarlson And it's still a masterpiece after 36 years :D

@Animtion9toonZ

Ай бұрын

Oh what about “Wolfwalkers” when the wolf runs and everything looks like you are there I saw the video and they put like a reference of 3rd BUT they didn’t did the trees 3rd they drew through it, pretty clear in my opinion.

@andrewchung2940

27 күн бұрын

Or what about Tarzan and Treasure Planet? They were 2D films where they had sweeping camera moves everywhere!

I miss the old animated Disney 😭 Disney just isn’t the same anymore as much as I loved wish

@ameliajones9827

Ай бұрын

You and me both. A Disney animation studio without hand drawn is enough to make Walt Disney turn in his grave.

@LillieWilliam

Ай бұрын

It’s soulless now the studio just wants to push out live action movies that add nothing

They say 2d is outdated. Hollywood has always looked down on 2d animation. Meanwhile. European and Asian market is thriving making 2d animation and they’re expanding and experimenting more and more on it every year. Lull in the sea is my favourite slice of life that was made in the late 2010s and it’s gorgeous throughout while telling an interesting and fun story. 2020s fruits basket. Too.

This is an important subject to talk about. The LAST Disney Film we had so far (not counting the Disney DTV Sequels, Once Upon a Studio or any Disney Channel Animated Series) was the Princess and The Frog 15 Years earlier.

@lexramstudios1386

Ай бұрын

Last? We still have Walt Disney Animation movies happening

@thefantasticretroreviewer3941

Ай бұрын

@@lexramstudios1386 I meant Disney Films being in 2D Animation, not the CGI Films

@lexramstudios1386

Ай бұрын

​@@thefantasticretroreviewer3941 Winnie the Pooh was the last 2D animated Disney movie

@thefantasticretroreviewer3941

Ай бұрын

@@lexramstudios1386 I thought for sure it was The Princess and The Frog. I must be WWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYY behind.

@thefantasticretroreviewer3941

Ай бұрын

@@orangeslash1667 Really?

Animation Directors:oh 2d is limiting when it comes to camera moving. All legendary 2d animators: Am I a joke to you?

@vincenthoule5643

29 күн бұрын

Those directors that did wish fustrated me, when they said that 2d is limited. They should've hired 2d animators in late 2010s-early 2020s.

@cherrypiekitten8013

29 күн бұрын

@@vincenthoule5643 hearing the director saying that is like a slap to the face of Walt Disney's legacy and animators like Richard Williams

@vincenthoule5643

29 күн бұрын

@@cherrypiekitten8013 I agree and those directors😠 were disrespectfull to 2d animation and the 2d animators, like walt disney, don bluth, richard williams and so many others.

@cherrypiekitten8013

28 күн бұрын

@@vincenthoule5643 my thing is have they seen what Disney can do in the past? heck even recent 2d movies like Klaus and wolf walkers they went all crazy with the camera angles

@vincenthoule5643

28 күн бұрын

And know we will have upcoming sequels from disney that no one asked like frozen 3(frozen 4), zootopia 2 and moana 2😭💀. We will have non-disney 2d animated movies like the lord of rings prequel and the day blew up a lonney tunne movie this year and I'm really exsited. I'm aldo exsited for the wild robot(with 2.5d style).

I’m going to edit my comment as I go along with what I want to say. But truthfully, I think too many people are diminishing how good the animation in Wish looked. I was really impressed with how the film looked like a CGI watercolor storybook/painting. I’d say it was a better decision to have the film be a hybrid animation in favor of purely hand drawn or CGI animation. I’m glad they didn’t back out into having Wish just be 3D just because “they couldn’t make it work for their other movies.” And it’s for the 100th anniversary of Disney. Combining both helps honor all of Disney’s years. Which includes its 2d and 3d projects. I disagree with the characters not fitting into the rest of the world. Because the whole screen has a watercolor paper texture that’s on the background, foreground, and even the characters that gave it a consistent appearance. Also the whole thing of “watercolor backgrounds” is in part false, because it’s mostly made up of the same stylized CGI like the characters. You can see this in moments when characters touch something in the background, or when there’s a different camera angle, and the same consistency of placement is shown in the scene. It’s apparently just really convincing as 2d. (What I’m trying to say is that they didn’t just put a flat image of a watercolor painting and called it a day) If anything I would say Wish’s animation looks like a highly detailed 2d animation. Even the foreground is the same. I’d say that the line art actually helped give each character more of a 2d look apart from the texture I mentioned above. Wrinkles in their faces were unique depending on the character, and it looked like it was drawn too. I can give examples from the sparkly outlining of Star. To Asha’s eyebrow wrinkles. The dimples on some of the characters. Sabino’s wrinkles to match his age, the outlines that are around each character, the markings of fur for the animals, and a lot more. The colors were also really vibrant. A lot more than other parts of the internet would allow it to be due to compression issues. Which brings me to why a lot of people thought the animation wasn’t good. They apparently forgot compression is a thing, and assumed that’s what the film looked like. When there are quite literally videos of Wish’s trailers in 4k Ultra HD revealing a lot more detail than other sources allow it to have. And Wish looks amazing on a huge TV on Disney plus. But the Dolby Vision version looks good as well. That’s how I knew about all of the details I’ve mentioned above. But I do blame Disney for not giving a better resolution online themselves, but people seemed to know what compression was before I did. So I think some people should have known better by seeing when it was obviously a compressed image. I actually understand and can agree with what the crew said about limitations. It was said in this video they didn’t have all the resources they would have needed. Production for Wish started back in 2018. I’d say they’d need way more time to make a hand drawn frame by frame film, than a stylized CGI animation. Because they couldn’t just release Wish whenever. It had to be on 2023 for the 100th anniversary. And the camera angle limit is fair, because the backgrounds in lots of the classic movies are obviously flat, and don’t even rotate most of the time. Because they are drawn, and have no depth. Unless you really wanted to animate a detailed background, frame by frame, and lose more time than you already are on the frames for the characters and other objects. Two of the examples of rotating angles in Beauty and the Beast and Tarzan have confirmation that they used some CGI for the trees, and the ballroom scene, in order for the camera angles to be easily done with added depth. Overall I don’t think a lot of the criticism over the animation is very fair. And that’s why I wanted to comment rather than let this go by. Like I said, I’ll probably edit my comment later to clarify more things, but I’m done for now.

@Taydar

Ай бұрын

You are correct.

@bravestraven4650

Ай бұрын

@@Taydar At first I thought a simple thank you wasn’t enough. But thanks for the reply. It’s a lot more positive than what I usually get when I say stuff like this.

@Taydar

Ай бұрын

@@bravestraven4650 you are welcome.

That’s kinda the whole reason I didn’t watch the movie, the style looked like a half finished product in my eyes. Felt like they were still working on it honestly

I will always be baffled by how they didn't replace the motion blur with smears. Sure yeah you can have the slower more delicate moments be with no smears and no motion blur, but the fast snappy parts absolutely suffer without it. Having the smears be hand drawn would have also contributed significantly to the 2D 3D blend that the movie was going for.

JealousLuck0, an animator on reddit, explained, in relation to news that filmmakers considered making Wish a 2D movie, why studios prefer 3D even with a sizable audience asking and asking for 2D. It was a long post I couldn't quote here, but the most interesting paragraphs were these- "the reason why you'll see more 3D films these days has nothing to do with talent or easiness... it's because due to the nature of the programs used, you can simultaneously work on modeling the character, animating the character, designing their clothes, framing the shots, modeling the set... all at the exact same time. You can hot-swap these things in and out, whenever you need, as they're worked on. You might work on a shot in the morning, and the character's got hair by the evening. That's kinda exaggerating a bit but you get what I mean. You can move cameras on the fly, change lighting on the fly, and every artist works on something at the exact same time." "so my point here is this: 3D animation became defacto because it was faster to produce, but that is no longer the case. I believe the issue here is that meddling by committee decision is something they expect to be able to do for 3D films and don't like 2D ones because they can't go in and change things as they focus test and cannot commit to anything. They hate that creatives are, in the end, the decisionmakers, and must be for the film to be made. The inability to tweak and tweak and change up until a week before release annoys them. They hate gambling and want as much control over its profit as humanly possible.... and 2D just doesn't allow it." But knowing that they didn't want audiences to think it was 2D, I remember in 2014 asking some students if they've seen The Lion King, and they said "No, that looks old!" I can only imagine this outlook is more prevalent a decade later. The animation test looks beautiful! It's a shame that there are these films that people think just needed more time, only for it to be revealed that these movies had great ideas that were squashed later in production.

It would be neat if Disney had a separate studio to make 2D films like how Pixar is their second feature animation studio.

I know you’ve done videos on Disney, Pixar, Illumination, and DreamWorks, but have you considered doing videos on some of the Don Bluth classics? I know that they were before your time, but you seem to have interest in old school animated movies.

It's honestly pretty sad that the studio is like this now. Hopefully change can come soon, so the potential for future projects isn't as stifled as with Wish. I can feel your frustration with these excuses that were given. I hate the idea that the Disney Animated Canon will be stuck only making movies that look a very, very specific way. We know they can do better.

There are some movies/shows that work in 3D or 2D, I think Wish could've been a great film had they made it hand drawn through computer animation to show best of both worlds of Disney animation. What they've done through Wish had tarnished the legacy that Walt Disney had made.

At least we got the short once upon a studio

Whether it's 2D or 3D or basically any other animation style, with that story and the songs itself, it wouldn't have make it any better 🤷

@sarahsims6164

Ай бұрын

Me neither.

Wish would be pretty and nice in 2D.

They should have been more honest and said. We would need to hire a bunch of 2d artists instead of using people already on the payroll.

@isabellegoegebuer2777

Ай бұрын

*sarcasm* Oh, but that would cost money! Money that giga corporation Disney ABSOLUTELY can't miss! Haha, you're silly. *sarcasm*

@icecreamhero2375

Ай бұрын

@@isabellegoegebuer2777 They could be greedy and honest about it.

@DrAngelKins

Ай бұрын

​@isabellegoegebuer2777 3D costs more than 2D 💀 They could save money on movies if they go 2D

@icecreamhero2375

Ай бұрын

@@DrAngelKins It does but they already have a bunch of 2D people sitting there. They would have to hire a bunch of 2D people in addition to those 3D people.

If wish is suppose to represent there future then Disney is doomed to fail

It appears that some of Disney's worst decisions were made in 2012 and 2013 (buying Lucasfilm, dismantling their 2D animation department, etc.). The last time a Disney original production resonated with me was Wreck-It Ralph, which was coincidentally released in 2012. But I wouldn't categorize it as part of Disney's 2012 decisions, because it was primarily produced during the prior years. I'm just pointing out how original Disney content has seemingly lost all its magic following 2012. And Disney proceeded to make terrible decision after terrible decision, without even once learning from their mistakes from 2012 onward.

Disney: 2D animation is too time consuming and nobody likes it anymore (˘･_･˘) Ghibli: We physically cannot stop this man from making 2D animated movies (⊙_⊙;) Swoops in and took the Oscar too lmao 😆 🤷‍♀

How to fix Wish in my opinion: 1: 2D animation 2: better plot 3: better songs lyrics 4: Star boy 5: King and Queen as villains 6: better ending 7: love story between Asha and Star boy 8: original purpose of "At all costs"

Gonna be honest, I fully expected this to just be a video talking about Wish being bad because it wasn't 2D and a rant about that (I've seen too many of those videos, so I'm a bit jaded), but this was so insightful and critical without being a full on rant. Really great work! This movie very much felt like Disney was resting entirely on their laurels of "oh, well it's a Disney princess movie and a full musical, how could they not love it?" But at the same time, they never went beyond what was safe and "appealing" to the general audience, not to mention all of the scrapped work with the songs, story, and characters, leaving an entirely bland, disappointing film that deserved better than it got (especially when you have two fantastic leads like Ariana DeBose and Chris Pine, like come on!) As much as Disney frustrates me, I do hope they find their spark again soon and start telling stories that matter, instead of ones that will make them the most money. But only time will tell.

@IsaacCarlson

22 күн бұрын

I completely understand where you were coming from with the initial reaction to the video. I feel like there's a lot of frustration and hate towards Wish without getting specific about what went wrong. For this videos specifically, I only wanted to talk about the animation side of things. The story is a whole other kind of beast. That's something I want to dive into, but that's it's own kind of discussion. I hope Disney finds the magic again too. I don't know what it will take, but I'm sure it'll happen again.

This is was rhe team EXPERIMENTING a new style to them. It's a remarkable style they experimented with and achieved. It sucks that their attempt to try something new gets harassed by the animation community. Imagine trying a style you liked and tried to work with and you get backlash for it. I feel for these animators who are proud of what they did and got credited for

@Taydar

Ай бұрын

Correct

@isabellegoegebuer2777

Ай бұрын

You can experiment all you want, but your audience is still free to have their own opinion and give their honest feedback to you. And if that feedback's overall very negative, well, you're doing something wrong and need to go back to the drawing board. Simple.

@swirlystrawstudios5465

Ай бұрын

@isabellegoegebuer2777 yes, and when that happens you LEARN from your past and make improvements. That's what trying new things does

The excuse of "hand-drawn animation is too expensive" doesn't fly anymore - not when their live-action drivel has astronomical budgets that far exceed many of what the 2D films took to make, even with inflation factored in. It's not an expense issue - it's a talent issue.

@IsaacCarlson

28 күн бұрын

I completely agree. Tangled The Series supposedly had a budget of around $1M an episode while other shows from Marvel and Star Wars cost $10M an episode to make.

I understand what Disney was going for with the 2D-styled CGI, which worked well for movies like Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and Spiderverse. But it was misused in this movie. The 2D style over the smooth frame rate and rendering made it appear cheaper, along the lines of something like Sofia the First. They should’ve just gone full 2D. And fix the entire plot.

I wish Wish was in 2D

@orangeslash1667

Ай бұрын

The problem is that Princess and the Frog didn't do amazing in the box-office while Tangled and Frozen were big success. Giving Disney a reason to believe that the general public likes 3d more.

@scottriddell3514

Ай бұрын

@@orangeslash1667the critic are to blame for this

@orangeslash1667

Ай бұрын

@@scottriddell3514 how so??

Hey Issac I couldn’t help but notice that your video on the Mufasa trailer is now gone which a part of me is kinda glad that it is. I mean I myself am pretty iffy on the movie but still all the negativity and hypocrisy going on within the Disney fandom is something that I’m just tired of….

@IsaacCarlson

Ай бұрын

I accidentally uploaded that video in 480p so I took it down for that reason. I didn't love the video so I just left it down!

@lexramstudios1386

Ай бұрын

I'm honestly interested in seeing Mufasa

@carolinedisalvatore9768

Ай бұрын

@@lexramstudios1386 That’s good to hear. I mean I didn’t love The Lion King remake but I didn’t hate it either and Mufasa at least so far looks like it wants to tell a good story and it and the remake I feel is very much set in their own separate universe and not meant to be cannon with the original Lion King.

@lexramstudios1386

Ай бұрын

@@carolinedisalvatore9768 the animals are now shown to be expressive in the movie and apparently Mufasa is both a prequel and a sequel

Making Wish feel more like a insult to Walt's legacy in film making and the history of hand drawn especially how computer animation became over saturated in the last 2 decades because it was a new form and cheap to make which still bugs me alot

So sad that the Disney company couldnt be bothered to hire people to make a 2d animated movie. Oh well, at least we have an actual suscessor to Walt's legacy in Tangled.

I blame the greedy corporations for this problem 😐

Thank you for posting the video.

Frozen also could have been 2D (which Disney told people it was going to be early on), before ultimately pushing it out as a 3D movie and then hearing that more of the hand-drawn animation we were promised was being shut down for a second time at the studio. That's how you prove to people that 3D computer animation has just become another biased corporate agenda for studios to want to push against having any more traditional 2D movies, and it's how you get people like myself to lose any appreciation for the medium whatsoever. Has Disney been proving anything to the contrary lately with stuff like that Once Upon a Studio short? I'd want to confidently say yes, but after the way things went down in the last decade for Disney and 2D movies they're only going to have to prove themselves even harder now than they would have if they had continued to let more 2D movies come out from them. They may tease 2D here and there, but they need to do more than that.

The fact that a talking lizard movie being better than Wish is quite shocking.

While I don't think the movies needed was some of the original concepts like others have been constantly trying to hammer in I'm glad you able to tell this stuff as nonbieased as possible, it really sounded like your opinion on it comes from a place of respect for these older movies, and not trying to criticize the style of the time👊

Hey Isaac, you wanna make responses (or “rant-sponses”which Whiny Gamer (played by ExoParadigmGamer, a gaming KZreadr you kinda look like like) does, or used to do in the mid-2010s but can soon come back to doing it like with a Super Mario World hack like “Why The Second Reality Project Reloaded is the WURST GAME IN THE WURLD!!!”, and eventually “Why Pac-Man and the University of Pac-Land SMELLS LIKE PEE!!!” take for instance, via Frigid Fire/SteveGreeneComedy & James Maslow Productions’, “The Kieran Glen Harris Stark Show”) to ElectricDragon505’s reviews including but not limited to a scathing review on Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie (and VeggieTales in general) and Disney’s modern movies (including but not limited to the ones directed by Chris Buck who also amazed us with Tarzan and Surf’s Up which as a far-leftist, even if he may like them, he’d likely be harsher towards/less justifying of what he finds to be flaws in them as they are older movies but I think they’re more timeless mainly because of stronger writing that makes it feel less AI-generated), but that was back then)? Here, I’ll give you examples of videos I was talking about. m.kzread.info/head/PLmu3hhmRiEwFYNrhllplP0dlCeDofCrnV m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/h3iiy5OOY5SoZps.html&pp=ygUjdGhlIHNlY29uZCByZWFsaXR5IHByb2plY3QgcmVsb2FkZWQ%3D m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6trla-QZ7K6g7w.html&pp=ygUTam9uYWggYW5pbWF0IHJldmlldw%3D%3D m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4uiy5uhqsubobA.html&pp=ygUYRWxlY3RyaWNEcmFnb241MDUgRnJvemVu m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/dHqn0cF8hM3Md5s.html&pp=ygUYRWxlY3RyaWNEcmFnb241MDUgRnJvemVu m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/nq6pwdeoqt3bn7Q.html&pp=ygUWRWxlY3RyaWNEcmFnb241MDUgV2lzaA%3D%3D

So the animators wanted to push the boundaries and do something unique and experimental, but once again the studio shut them down. Tis a shame.😔

@isabellegoegebuer2777

Ай бұрын

Something "unique" and "experimental" doesn't make them enough money, lol.

@LaissezFairyWriter

Ай бұрын

@@isabellegoegebuer2777 That's what they think. But the truth is all of their "safe" films were box-office fails.

the scences you mentioned rocked

good thing that i have personally a passion musical hand drawn alan menken project for disney animation, inspired by a japanese disney ride, at least hopefully the goals dont go in vain

The TV show Sofia the First also has that same stylized CGI animation similar to Paperman

Hopefully Wish underperforming is the kick in the pants that Disney needs to be initiative again.

@Animtion9toonZ

Ай бұрын

They well make Moana 2 I don’t know I think after wish flop they decided to make a other sequel

Most controversial opinion i have is that just because a 2d movie looks beautiful doesn't mean that it is a good story. I see alot of people conflate the 2

0:44 First animated movie to use cells in its medium and the first one to be made in America.

Any reason why you haven't covered The Fox and the Hound?

If they could accomplish a movie through the Who Framed Roger Rabbit Movie, then they could've accomplished greatness through Wish.

While I still haven't seen Wish yet, I saw the movie as a great way to reignite animation for Disney. However, even with so much potential, the movie failed capture a new style for itself. As it was said you could have blended 2D and 3D to make a beautiful movie, but the art style that Tangled started is now the default. I'm sad to see this as so many companies tried to capture Disney's spirit in the past. Now the company has lost that, and new blood has taken that old feel to heart.

I wonder if Jennifer lee's comment on hand drawn animation, considering she's the head of Walt Disney animation, is similar to what Zack Synder commented on Batman's no kill rule. " You're making your God inrelevent." All i know is THIS IS THE SAME COMMENT! BATMAN DOESN'T KILL AND I WOULD KNOW!

Love your videos Isaac!❤❤❤❤

"2D animation had too many limitations"- they've literally made a RUG have EMOTIONS, a snake FOLD ITS ARMS, a candelabra SING and DANCE! It's not the animation that has limitations, it's the ARTISTS who are limited. Disney needs to put forth the effort to teach the new generation hand drawn animation, and only then will we see that come back to life.

Songs Lik there's gotta be something better then this are from characters who live 💩 holes or only abusive relationships but barley have concept of more mutual loving relationships . But the Island in wish is prosperous. Beautiful diverse. So the song I make this wish to had so much then all that. Really makes everyone seemed spoiled. He's the villain because he wouldn't grant every wish. What about different having incompatible wishes what wishes for someones 💀 the jini wouldn't grant every wish. . Should he put everyone in their own simulation. And I mean he could remove all consequences of wishes using the same magic. Then nothing has meaning. In both achieving and consequence. No quest nore consequence. . A lot of the wishes didn't need magic 🪄. Being a leader being a Taylor. Being the Best.

2D animation has too many limitations, eh? Maybe Jennifer Lee just didn't learn how to animate. See EVERY SINGLE ANIME IN EXISTENCE, every 2D animated film produced by Disney, every single 2D animation done by animators on KZread, every single cartoon produced by Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon, every single animated film/show outside of the big name studios, for children or otherwise. See the "It's Over, Isn't It?" scene from Steven Universe for an entirely hand drawn, mesmerizing, gut wrenching, gorgeous scene. I say we collectively boycott Disney until those two are fired.

Short answer:because 3D makes more money

I’ve never actually seen the _Wish_ yet, but I might give it a watch at some point despite the flaws it has.

i like the movie alot but honestly fo a centenial celbration it as way under my expectations. i was hoping for something like the once upon a studio short.

People now: “Oh Wish sucks” 10-20 years or so later: “Oh Wish is so underrated why doesn’t it have more praise and attention?!” Atlantis, Treasure Planet and Brother Bear to Wish: “First time?”

@lexramstudios1386

Ай бұрын

LoL That's definitely going to happen in 10-20 years

@danielsvetlichny5721

Ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts! Whatever the matter is with THESE people?

@woodencat5990

Ай бұрын

It does suck, on multiple levels. If you get enjoynment out of it good for you though ​@@danielsvetlichny5721

@woodencat5990

Ай бұрын

Treasure Planet definitely isn't perfect, it's very dated compared to most Disney movies, a lot of the story, characters and humour are boring and/or abnoxious, especially that robot character. One of the only things that were solid was the father-son esc. relationship between the protagonist and the alien pirate dude (forgot their names). But yeah it was also just horribly advertised, but it has it's charms. "Wish" is just souless, with terrible music, forgettable characters, and unfunny humour, and feels like AI was heavily involved in the writing

@carolinedisalvatore9768

Ай бұрын

@@woodencat5990 It. Is. Not. And ENOUGH with the whole “Oh AI wrote Wish” nonsense because it’s not true!

Inside Out 2 by Pixar is now the Highest Grossing film this year kicking Dune Part 2 out of the TOP SPOT. Making billions of dollars. 3D Animation has come a long way and i'm here for it. I believe we as people should learn how respect and love different kinds of Animation styles even if its Hand-Drawn/Traditional, Computer CGI, Stop-Motion, Anime, Claymation etc. At the end of the day Animation is a exquisite form of art and medium. In terms of Wish i think the Animation is quiet good but i think the biggest downfall of it is its music and Characters in general. ☺️☺️👌👌

Hey Issac, can you do a video on the fan theory that Rapunzel is Anna and Elsa's cousin?

Everything about the films direction was a series of mistakes, one of the biggest disappointments of the decade. Now I was thinkin if they're going to go the 3D route, then hey should have at least slowed the frame-rate (not linearly, but staggered n such like that in 2D) to empysize the 2D aesthetic and then I see they apparently did in the test footage! And then didn't keep it!! Why is it the art direction feels like it was directed by someone not even very familiar with art and animation...? Ah! I called it! "2D has too many limitations" WHAT! That's crazy coming from someone working in Disney.

0:42 First cycrinized sound cartoon.

8:36 Are you f(BOING!) kidding me, Disney? That concept was awesome, why it was discarted?

Just Like Netflix Christmas 🎄 2019 movie Klaus. 💕 is a great example as well.

I haven't seen wish yet

@meathead2934

Ай бұрын

It sucks

Star does look 2D but They’re 2d. I think the film looks beautiful. 2:52 Don’t Forget the Ballroom in Beauty and The Beast is completely Hand drawn. 8:37 THIS LOOKS BEAUTIFUL!💜😍😍😍 10:39 My Eyeballs are pleased.💜💜💜💜 Also The Scene was Inspired by Tony hawk.

You forgot some of the parts in the movie Beauty and the Beast and the Cave of Wonders and the Magic Carpet in the movie Aladdin.

Its the hugher upz fault not the production team

Interesting take Isaac.

Man bad business move and story too

As an animator myself, I have always appreciated the style of Wish and the studios attempt at experimentation. That i feel was the point of the style, and they achieved it so well. It sucks that us in the animation community expect certain proejcts to meet their high expectations to the levels of movies like Puss and Boots or Spiderverse. When other studios were just having fun trying something new and they get backlashed for it

@danielsvetlichny5721

Ай бұрын

Exactly. Here is my advice when it comes to animated films and series, don't set your expectations too high or too low or even don't have expectations at all.

Sounds like 2D animation and 3D animation wanna hang out but they're not allowed.

they could have use blender 2d 3d animation like the peanut movie or Garfield movie

“2D has limitations on camera movements” IS THE STUPIDEST thing i’ve ever heard. If anything its MORE free to do whatever you want with angles, movements, squash and stretch, etc. PLUS THE RENAISSANCE ERA OF DISNEY PROVES DYNAMICS MORESO THAN ALOT OF THE 3D MOVIES.

Money, and they have driven off all the 2D Masters.... That hard to understand?

I wonder if the reason why they didn’t go with 2D is because they have to pay those artists more. To be able to draw 2D animation takes a lot of patience and work.

Everything I’ve ever heard of about this movie just makes me so glad I never watched it. Bad art style, bad plot, just bad everything.

@Taydar

Ай бұрын

Watch it it's goid. Everyone is wrong. It's genuinely the most misunderstood movie of all time. Remember Disney animation can't make a bad film, everyone else just can't make goid ones.

I’m pretty sure the main motivator for and against what this film could have become was $$$. *Play ABBA here*

This movie is a trainwreck. There is so much that could have been done had it not been for the layoffs.

Also i dont think we need 2d movies as a full comback like everyone else

Make a video about Descendants: The Rise of Red

As an artist who likes to plaint 3D will NEVER surpass 2D. The 3D visuals may be impressive but 2D didn’t have the luxury of copy paste for background elements or people. My favorite Disney film visually has always been Sleeping beauty, take any forest shot in that film and just look at all the details in the trees and think that someone had to go in my a tiny brush and add that in. 3D will never be an artistic masterpiece as 2D ever was.

Wow! Great video Isaac. I think Jennifer Lee needs to be replaced

I hope 2D comes back, it could save Disney from failure because that’s what the people want

@Sean-132

Ай бұрын

There’s The Day the Earth Blew Up: A Looney Tunes movie coming soon in fall 2024 and it’s entirely in 2D animation

@JustAnAnimator123

Ай бұрын

@@Sean-132 yessss

Given that roughly 25% of Disney's repetoire is 3D, making "Wish" fully 2D ignores a big part of Disney's legacy. I'd prefer if it was 2D with 3D elements or vice versa.