It is some special kind of joy to just watch Von Carmian silently emote while Olden is speaking

Haven't seen the video yet, i saved it to my watch later tho. I just saw some comments about 3d printing and thought I'd share my ideas. I love that 3d printing can be used to make new retro miniatures that GW will never make again. I love that 3d printing can be used to make off-scale miniatures like 15mm if you want something between normal and epic scale, or even like 50 or 60mm if you want something like the old inquisitor scale miniatures for the short lived inquisitor game. I also like that you can make terrain to match whatever scale miniatures you do like to play with.

I have to strongly disagree that having free rules, i.e., an app that is automatically updated is a barrier to new players. It's a barrier to those who don't have a smart phone... maybe and even then downloading a PDF on a tablet or printing it is way easier as now we kind of have the worst of both worlds. Even if you like the physical copy of the rules in a hardcover book you still need to print out PDFs for all the updates. The app is behind a double pay wall, which is disgusting. I can't mention how many times I double checked my opponents rules using the initial FREE app and discovered they are out to lunch.

@chriswebb5632

4 ай бұрын

Yeah that segment stood out to me as a really bad take. Maybe I'm just not understanding an older generation that is less able to navigate a webpage but the idea that a physical book is easier to navigate than something like Wahapedia is so foreign to me. Plus as soon as there's any kind of balance update you have to go online and start dealing with PDFs anyways so the point this guy is trying to make seems completely moot. I also think that having stores full of printed products with outdated rules is one of the most hostile things a new player could possibly have to deal with. I have tried to help several people start playing the game since the start of 10th edition and I think the most frustrating thing for them was buying codexes and index cards only to find out that the products were already outdated.

@Ghislain82

4 ай бұрын

​@@chriswebb5632​Not to mention that most of the time, even when you pre-order, by the time the book arrives you gave had 1-3 updates already. Making the book invalid.

I don't understand what's the problem with "Just go to the website and download the rules for free". Where is the downside? The physical codex can continue to exist for those who go to a store and want a physical thing. Nobody buys the codexes for rules anymore. The rules are outdated before the book is even out.

As in terms of translation: It's bad. Whenever a new codex comes out, everyone graps the english version and once that's runs out reserve the ones that are ordered while the german versions gather dust on shelfs. They're worded so strangly that you have to interpret the translation on top of the actual rules during gameplay.

@darnokx9277

4 ай бұрын

I stopped buying anything in German from GW other than the occasional WD around ten years ago. Around that time they started using only English unit names in German texts, and it bothered me to no end. On top of the often sloppy translation this broke the proverbial camels back for me.

Such a good video. I just wanted to add that I've been 3D printing for some time before i got into 40k, my main Armies are true plastic. But i have small "opponent" armies like Necron, Tau and Orks that I've printed proxies of to play against for some variety. Also terrain, it's really nice to be able to have big detailed terrain. So in niche cased 3D is pretty great, but it's not mainstream, otherwise Games Workshop would be selling some kind of DRMed version of their 3D files.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

6 ай бұрын

I like that idea, if I had a 3d printer, that is what I would use it for

6:06 I disagree. If you had it online, could still curate the experience by signposting people to the bits they need.

In regards to providing a product of free rules and a book that includes rules and lore, Wyrd does that for Malifaux. They have their book for each faction, which includes all the rules but also all the current story, and even includes a lore page for each and every unit (while prefacing the unit section with some fun stories). Besides that, they have their app with all the rules for free, so if you don't care about the story, and just want to play, you have that too. On top of that, they also advertise a way to play their game online with other people for free, with no buy-in at all.

@zweihander0993

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. If you want to jump in and play. Rules are online. Very nice to have.

I have to agree with Olden Daemon's take on 3D printing. I love my printer, and I've printed entire armies, but I've also put up with quite a bit of technical BS and a learning curve that could easily put many people off it. ...and I continue to spend silly amounts of money on my made in the UK plastic crack, so it's hardly losing GW anything out of my paycheque. Addendum: in addition to the applications of a printer they suggested, I've found it's excellent for horde armies. Particularly if you want something like an IG infantry army that isn't Cadians or Catachans. Addendum II: it isn't quite as bad as made out. Resin is actually quite cheap, so a few print failures here and there aren't a big deal and they aren't THAT frequent if you can follow a decent simple guide online on how to calibrate it. And photo resin models are generally no more fragile than traditionally cast resin models. All that said, I agree it isn't for everyone, the biggest downsides being that it is possible to absolutely destroy your expensive-ish printer with a relatively tiny mistake, and of course the hazmat concerns (don't poison yourself kids).

Great vid guys, just dropping in to say RIP to Starship Troopers by Mongoose, All Quiet on the Martian Front (its been revived), Halo Fleet/Ground Command, DUST, Warzone.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

6 ай бұрын

I remember playing a bit of Starship Troopers by Mongoose but the balance seemed off and all the soldiers died quite quickly

@kevinsachs314

6 ай бұрын

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber Yeah, you really had to lean into the "mobile" of the mobile infantry. The FAQ released a bit later basically said that you should be taking ready actions every turn to prepare to hit your jump jets. Unless you were playing the light armor dudes form the movie, in which case you were dog food.

@ashlevrier

6 ай бұрын

Fire storm armada.

@ashlevrier

6 ай бұрын

​@@kevinsachs314lol

@ashlevrier

6 ай бұрын

Also there is a game by ACP games that no one played

@25:47 I don't know how to add a timestamp, but at this point in the video they mention the number scheme between chaos gods and space marine unit sizes was pretty mind blowing.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

2 ай бұрын

you added the timestamp correctly

Privateer press did customer integrated design. The players helped play test, I made the most balanced game ever. Some people hated it.

If I were to get into 3D printing it would be for the bits: faction specific iconography, weapons options like multimeltas and hand flamers, tactical masonry flight stands, alternate helmets so Howling Banshees can go back to looking like Banshees and not some weird coneheaded firstborn space marine... maybe a turret that lets me turn a Rhino into an Immolator.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

6 ай бұрын

not a bad idea. And I am seeing more models not available from GW right now, so maybe some of those too

On rules and codices, I think the free "index" rules are a reasonable thing for a new edition start. They should just be the basic rules for that faction/army and with little detail, the aim being covering people to keep playing. However, I also believe full codices should be released quicker for the main armies (Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Chaos, Orks, Eldar) and then release the secondaries and finally the chapter or sub-faction rule variations. The main rule book can then be re-released as a balancing act and errata release. Once that's done, we can then get scenario and special scenario rule books (like City Fight and such). This would keep an edition alive for 5 years or more and people wouldn't need to buy everything to play., but can buy the rules they need for themselves or as they change to a new army. Also, this would allow for the new special characters to be released in WD and as a downloadable and/or free index card in it's box. But who am I but an aged old bloke with a small amount of funds to mess with =)

I've returned to the Hobby after 3rd, I said I would not 3d print any gw stuff, how ever I went for sisters and realised they are taking the piss with the muilt meltas so sod them.

I don't play competitive. I find alot of them players are sociopath's. So I stick to playing apocalypse narrative. I like big games. Playing all day with my friends. Without a care for points. Is the best way as I see it. At the moment I'm working on four terrain set of gallowdark. So I can play 2000 point games of boarding actions. I use to like playing blood in the void from imperial armour vol 10. The good old days of 6th & 7th edition.

Here is a suggestion that GW could implement to make it accessible for newcomers while not punishing veterans of the games too much: Make the rules free online as a living document (or make it free on their app for easier navigation than a bunch of links), use the new datacards for faction rules instead of the codexes for a lower price point. For deeper faction lore, keep the codexes but also include hobby tips, paint schemes, etc. It is super convenient to hand your opponent your army list in the form of datacards and it’s affordable enough that people probably wouldn’t mind paying for them. And it allows for more stuff to be put into the codex like wargear lore, concept sketches, etc.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

6 ай бұрын

not a bad idea. Modelling and painting tips could be really cool. Add in some narrative stories to the 'codex' and maybe also include the unit rules as a 2 for 1 to help new players

Personally, I wish they would make it all into the App. So my old army of DA I could still use. No legends. I'd be willing to pay so the rules are updated real-time. Willing to pay monthly ( or a one buy and then repay for updates ). And with a battle report real time when you play against someone . It would help as GW would push to sell you minis and more work on the experience of the game. It also allows them to see with data how and what people play and are able to ajust

@10:24 "Games workshop exists under capitalism. No matter how much their staff wants to make the best rules...They're a business and they need to make money to survive." This is kind of a weird statement to me since even under socialism and communism a business would still need to justify it's existence by being profitable.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

6 ай бұрын

Maybe I should have said "we don't live in a post-capitalism sci-fi world like Star Trek"... but then I would have had to explain society in Star Trek where excellence is valued and money means nothing. Then I would get people commenting on how I didn't understand all of ST

@dickkickem4238

6 ай бұрын

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber At the risk of being pedantic, I'd argue Star Trek is more "Post-scarcity" than "Post-capitalism" but I get yah.

@bobamer932

6 ай бұрын

@@dickkickem4238 post capitalism is accurate for star trek, depending on what movie/series you are washing. as for the rest of your statement as to profitability, it would be accurate to say market socialism, but past that not really

@dickkickem4238

6 ай бұрын

@@bobamer932 I'll admit I haven't watched all of star trek so if you could give examples I'd appreciate it. Perhaps profitability wasn't the best turn of phrase. A nationalized industry to justify it's own continued existence and funding from the government that operates it needs to produce more resources that it costs to maintain and operate that specific nationalized industry or risk getting it's funding cut by the government operating it. It's just easier to to say "profitable"

@Dram1984

6 ай бұрын

@@bobamer932both capitalism and socialism/communism are industrial ideologies based on scarcity. Without scarcity neither of them makes any sort of sense.

I bought a 3D printer and it arrived a few days ago. Reason being I have no tanks for my sisters and honestly it's cheaper to buy the 3D printer print four tanks and a triumph St Catherine and to buy the models individual

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

6 ай бұрын

I think it is fair with tanks, the smooth lines will look about the same and you are not restricted by gun choices

One thing I’ve been thinking about with digital rules, instead of printed books, is the future problem of editions being ‘lost media’, and being impossible to go back and play. I’m curious how easy it would be to fully play 40K 7th edition again, with all its mess of digital rules. One of my fears with the Amazon deal, is the prospect of GW getting absorbed my them. If the shows/films are popular it seems likely Amazon could buy them just to have control of the IP.

@plastefuchs666

6 ай бұрын

> One of my fears with the Amazon deal, is the prospect of GW getting absorbed my them. If the shows/films are popular it seems likely Amazon could buy them just to have control of the IP. GW has a market cap of around 3.5 billion pound, I am not sure if Amazon is eager to invest enough money just to control a single IP. I like the universes, but I don't see a 40K show exploding in a way that would make such a deal worthwhile. At worst GW would want a way better deal to renew the right for the show, but in the end this is a mutual investment. GW probably doesn't have the capital to produce a high quality show that draws in enough people that pay money, so a partner deal will always be a thing.

Where are the links to videos that you spoke?

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

5 ай бұрын

they should have appeared at the bottom of the description but they are: Adeptus mechanicus on launch: kzread.info/dash/bejne/c4inuryRgL3Oj7w.html&ab_channel=40kVtuber%3AChristianVonCarmian admech model: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lWut2Nqod5fAdsY.html&ab_channel=40kVtuber%3AChristianVonCarmian how the admech models were designed: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYCio9edYLKXm8Y.html&ab_channel=40kVtuber%3AChristianVonCarmian warhammer fantasy eighth edition: kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6h5zceBZdfXZbg.html&ab_channel=40kVtuber%3AChristianVonCarmian playlist of errors: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eYVoxqWKg7zcqM4.html&ab_channel=40kVtuber%3AChristianVonCarmian

Speaking of FFG, the company that owns asmodee - Embracer Group - borrowed a billion dollars from the Saudis last year and is still something like 1.5 billion in debt. So nothing good can come of that.

@ashlevrier

6 ай бұрын

Lol

This was a interesting video. Personally I think 40K suffers from not having concrete formats. The goals of 10nth, making 40K easier to play, and GW’s leaning into tournament play aren’t necessarily exclusive, but definitely pull 40K in opposite directions. I would like to see a version of 40K where we a base game that’s pretty accessible for new comers and for causal players, then GW can sell stuff like tournament missions and crusade books. Of for this actually work, GW would have to support the casual format, not just give three super simple missions in the core rules and forget it exists, like with open play in 9nth.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

6 ай бұрын

GW sort of has ways to play in 10th edition. I will look more into it and see what they suggest.

12:05 Games Workshop is a small company that casts a long shadow.

GW hurts GW.

41:39 Misinformation. We have ALDI in the states too!

Had to stop playing video for a minute had to handle the wave on insects launching an attack near kalgoorlie the storms we're getting making the nid er insects swarm

8:57 casual play in 6th and 7th was fine.

It might have been different 20 or 30 years ago, but these days GW is not interested in making the best rules it can - it just needs to not be too bad to drive customers away. The games were always meant to drive the sales of models, and contrary to popular belief the "games" in "Games Workshop" is not an indicator of GW being ABOUT the games. GW is a miniature manufacturer first, second and third, and while the rules are not strictly a complete afterthought, they are certainly not a priority. Regular edition changes and "balance passes" inbetween keep people invested and motivate more sales - and THAT is all that matters to those at GW making the actually impactful choices. Further down the pecking order there are people who are certainly competent in the games development side of things, but they do not have a say in how the ship is run. People will be a lot more relaxed with GWs games the moment they accept that those are only aimed to give you a somewhat working framework to play with your models. 40K in particular was never intended to work well as a tournament game, and despite modern attempts to APPEAR concerned about "competetive balance", THAT most definitely IS an afterthought.

I’m personally looking forward to taking my dwarf army out of storage to play Warhammer the old world. But I will never touch age of sigma. They new factions are just not appealing and the did the dirty on the old ones.

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

6 ай бұрын

rock and stone!

@demon1103

6 ай бұрын

With Old World dropping I'm very worried for myself. On one hand it'd give me a great excuse to make a Chaos Dwarf army....on the other hand that'd be army 14 and I do not have that kind of space XD.

@Zabzim

6 ай бұрын

@@demon1103 well I’m pretty sure they won’t be included as they are in AoS and OW is just for those armies left behind.

@demon1103

6 ай бұрын

​@@Zabzim .....I'm very confused. Weren't Chaos Dwarfs the ones left behind while the Order Dwarfs got split into 3 different flavors (CoS, Fyreslayers, and K.Overlords). As far as I'm aware Chorfs aren't in AoS (at least not the tabletop version anyway) (also seeing articles saying that while they won't be part of the narrative, Chorfs and a few others will get rules....I can work with that)

@Zabzim

6 ай бұрын

@@demon1103 They were originally left behind (like way back before AoS came into beaing) and still are a mere shadow of what they once were but just like kriegsmen they were picked up and championed by forge world which is how they are in AoS today. Now this isn't to say they won't be included in OW as OW is at heart a forge world game system. But I don't think they'll get initial rules as OW is primarily for those armies left behind, which is why we'll get bretonnians but not lizard men, tomb kings but not legions of nagash. High elves but not dark elves. Even orcs and skaven look iffy.

It's criminal how few views this video has

@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber

6 ай бұрын

it hasn't officially gone live yet, it is just for those people who wanted more

@maxwheaton5865

6 ай бұрын

@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber then allow me to reiterate. FIRST!

Mi mini factory. All STL are way better than GW. I give free minis to all my friends

8:15 another argument for online rules.

I think 3d printing will hurt the industry. I have some already in my 30k army. I am already seeing 3d printed stuff on the table for new epic. Thats money GW didn't get.