Ah, the good old days of Group B Rally, when drivers were crazy, engineers were mad, and spectators were stupid.

@Meinalptraum

6 ай бұрын

the prime years of rally

@MasterMind3508

4 ай бұрын

and now , the engineers are mad for other thing but the rest still the same xD

@tomsoyer5639

Ай бұрын

Own risk. They are adults.

Rally is a race against time in set stages. Group B was so insane that those cars back in the 80s were pushing 600 HP. When Group B was finally banned because of so many deaths, rally cars were limited to 300 HP until they were raised to 380 HP back in 2019 (if I'm not mistaken). There were actually plans for a class above Group B called Group S which produced prototypes like the Lancia ECV with over 800 HP.

@mpainter22

Жыл бұрын

The group A cars in the late 90's were pushing 400 hp on the dyno, but were being held back once in the car, I'm assuming you know about the legendary Toyota celica cheat from 1995?

@pr0jectSkyneT

Жыл бұрын

@@mpainter22 yeah the one that handed McRae the championship.

@W1interWolf

Жыл бұрын

380 HP spec WRC cars were introduced in 2017. This year new regulations were introduced and rallying went hybrid keeping the same 380 HP internal combustion engines but adding a plug in hybrid unit. Supposedly those 2 combined develop over 500 HP but it is only used in short bursts during acceleration.

@pr0jectSkyneT

Жыл бұрын

@@W1interWolf yeah I wasn't sure of the year.

@2gj906

Жыл бұрын

Even on the WRC era that rally cars were on paper making 300 hp the torque was suspiciously high in the likes of 50+kg for the kind of horsepower these cars were pushing.

also interesting fact, one of the best women drivers of all time (and probably one of the best drivers of all time in general) Michelle Mouton was driving for Audi in Group B.

@pranc236

Жыл бұрын

She is the female goat without a doubt. Also only woman to win at pikes peak. She set a record in that audi but it was beat the very next year by another audi driver.

@cinyarko

Жыл бұрын

She also won the prototype class at 1975 24 hrs of Le Mans, together with Christine Dacremont and Marianne Hoepfner. An all-female driver team won their class at Le Mans long before it was woke and cool. One of the reasons that they won? Michelle kept driving on slicks in rain despite her pit asking her to come for wets.

@CrazyhorseDK

Жыл бұрын

a legend

Rally is a "time trial" race so it's just one car going through a section at a time and the fast time wins. There is a similar sport called Rallycross though, which is multiple cars at once, which you might enjoy.

@tihomirrasperic

Жыл бұрын

I watched a rally that ended with a gap of 12 seconds between the winner and the sixth place after the last stage of that rally a whole week of pushing through forests and bad roads, and everyone was less than a minute behind the winner

You guys should to a reaction to a Michele Mouton next. Woman group B driver that missed out on the WRC title just by being unlucky. Purely on pace she was right up there with WRC legends (Blomqvist, Röhrl etc) of that time. Josh Revell made a pretty good video about her.

@PresidentScrooge

8 ай бұрын

Good times when there wasnt any quota needed. If you got the skills, you got the driver. If not, then not.

@madselmvig1457

5 ай бұрын

@@PresidentScrooge What are you blabbing about, there is no quota in Rally, never has been and never will be. Also if you think that "if your good enough, then all is fine" you clearly knows nothing of Mouton and the BS she had to go through.

@PresidentScrooge

5 ай бұрын

@@madselmvig1457 I didnt say that there was a quota in Rally. I meant it in general about quotas undermining the achievements of women. Including having extra Formula championships for women only and a forced spot for a female driver in F1 youth academies.

The Audi engineers found fingers in the body work after stages....

@paulcaswell2813

Жыл бұрын

Peugeot too...

If you want to how fast a car will go around a circuit, ask a F1 driver, if you want to know how fast a can will go, ask a rally driver

a rally event consists of multiple stages lets say 12. each one starts with 1 driver going at a time and then they wait a couple minutes and then let the next guy go. there are times where a driver catches up to the car infront and thats why u might see 2 rally cars racing its just cuz the guy infront was too slow. so each stage is timed and at the end of all the stages the drivers are ranked by time and the driver with the lowest total time wins the event. and its like f1 where 1st -10th place get points. and its a season with many events so at the end the driver and team with the most points win the championship .

@asjaosaline5987

Жыл бұрын

Mostly they have 18 stahes or something sometimes even 22-23 stages.

The World Rally Championship takes place in different countries with different surfaces to drive on. The points system works as follows: Each country where the race takes place has 8-12 or more stages. In these stages you have to try to get from point A to B as quickly as possible. At the end of all these stages, the person with the least overall time wins. This is how the points are distributed for the World Rally Championship. About the same as F1 points distribution in any Grand Prix.

More commonly called a time attack where the driver who completes the circuit in the fastest time wins. It's decided through what's called 'stages' or checkpoints and when the 2nd car goes he has to get through these checkpoints in a faster time to take the lead.

In rally you have a driver and a co driver. The co driver reads out what's called pace notes, they're the directions for the track and it can include stuff like don't cut the corner or if the next bit is going to change from dirt to tarmac

Group B was created for people who had more balls than brains. Thought I can tame this beast of a car and track. And tried to do it. Awesome drivers.

@markogronfors3826

Жыл бұрын

Like Henri Toivonen i suppose

Rally racing is a race on public roads from one point to another. Cars were released in stages. A car was released at 8:00 and the next was released at 8:03 for example. The race is a race against time, not other cars per se. The team with the fastest time between stages wins. The Paris to Dakar Africa takes place over 2 weeks with each stage between 500 to 560 miles per day.

Rallies are held on country-ass public roads that are closed for the event. Positions are determined by the stopwatch, since the roads are too narrow to start more than one car at a time (usually a minute or two between when the cars leave the starting line). Thing about Group B was that we never thought the rules *anywhere* (especially in the World Championship!) would never let anybody build cars with so much power. Think of it as kind of like Group C sportscars on dirt? Companies certainly spent that kind of money building those things. I have to admit..as much as I bitch about how I'm aging - I'm happy that I actually got to see those fucking things when they were new. Cheers to you gentlemen, keep it coming! How about some stuff about club racing? Here in the US, our clubs are just about people who'd rather do proper motor racing instead of ovals or drags. No individual clubs about marque or displacement size.

Group B = Real man

A Car is only then fast, when you have fear to unlock it! Walter Röhrl

So stoked y’all featured Group B Rally!! Growing up in the US as a massive rally fan in the 90’s, it was SO difficult to watch races. I still don’t know why tally racing isn’t the most popular sport in the world. You guys HAVE to check out “Max Attack rally Finland 2021” videos. For 2022, WRC has had the three rally car manufacturers develop brand new hybrid motors, thus making the cars in 2022 totally new & a lot of kinks to get worked out-still amazing though! 2021, there was a rawness that 2022 hasn’t quite matched yet, but great things are ahead for WRC (World Rally Championship)! Stay frosty, gents.

Rally courses are literally impossible to run by yourself, a driver is incapable of matching their reaction time to the speed of the course and chaotic variables that occur in real time. This necessitates the presence of the 'navigator' or 'co-pilot' who barks out the layout of the course up ahead of the car as it progresses through the course. E.I.: in order for the car to hit the apex of turn 6 at full speed, it needs to be entering TURN 4 at 'this angle' of attack, has to come out of turn 4 in 'this gear' at 'this rpm' in order to carry enough speed through this straightaway into turn 5 and properly set yourself up for turn 6. Essentially the navigator acts a second 'driving brain' that allows the pilot to react to the physics of the course layout before ever actual arriving at that point. This means, for all intents and purposes, to be a competitive rally racer you literally need 'see through time' and race your car 'in the future'..... ..... Cool huh?.... 😎

No doubt the rally drivers are the best in world! it's crazy how close they are to peoples and animals in the video and no one gets hurt.

@boze77wolf

Жыл бұрын

Not in the video but in real life sometimes cars endup killing spectators. Sometimes they misjudge a corner and end up flying into the crowd.

To quote Michéle Mouton: You had to be on the absolute limit and when you make a mistake at least 20 people are dead.

It's only one car at the time, it's all about times

@dunsonhouse

Жыл бұрын

Oooh wow thank you

@douglasd9600

Жыл бұрын

@@dunsonhouse I used to play rally cross game on the Nintendo 64

@XxJay71xX

Жыл бұрын

@@dunsonhouse Also the "tracks" are open roads, point A to point B, hence the lack of safety

Sup speed nerds. Y'all got a classic. Listen for that inline 5 and blowoff chittering on the Quattro. Gives me chills

“The dirt pile is little” those are roads dude. 😂

Rally isn't the same a circuit racing. You're not directly racing against other drivers in rally. You're racing to set stage times, and whomever completes the stage the quickest wins the stage. While there is more than one car on the track at a time, they've had staggered starts, so they don't interfere with each other, at least not normally.

Each car starts alone. And then the time is recorded.

rally drivers are the best drivers in the world

FYI, it wasn't a men's sport, there was one female driver in Group B (Michèle Mouton) and a few female navigators, one of them Michèle's navigator.

@dunsonhouse

Жыл бұрын

Thank you my guy sorry about that

@module79l28

Жыл бұрын

@@dunsonhouse - No need to apologise, I wasn't telling you off, far from that! It was just some useful information but it also might have been a "hint" for you guys to check out the video about Michèle's career on Group B. 😉

Takes place on temporary closed public roads

@dunsonhouse

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment my guy

Boys like F1 Mans like Rallly

'Looks like they could kill someone...!' They sure did, drivers and specators alike. It wasn't too uncommon to collect body parts (mostly fingers) out of the huge air vents at the end of a stage.

2:20 rally drivers and their fans are a different breed

Im so happy that i have seen this live when it happend in the 80,s 😂😂😂

few years back i bought a couple old group b rally cars, fully restored them, and now have one for daily driving, and one for fun

They even had a crew taking care of the mechanichs after each race because sometimes they would find fingers from the spectators stuck on the cars. PTSD.

the 1983 winning Lancia 037 had well over 300HP

@dunsonhouse

Жыл бұрын

Crazy fast man

These guys even understand, what they are looking at. "one driver, one navigate!" Good night

Y'all gotta watch Rallycross.

Im loving learning about F1 with you guys! But y'all still gotta react to that what if Messi and Ronaldo played together, it's a treat for you and mookie!

My dad has been in the rallye business since the late 60's asked Björn Waldegård (I think) what do you do when people are on the road? I am breaking. And then asked Walter Rörhl the same. I am flooring it!

Audi was like 1000kg and 550 hp crazy

Rally has around 8 stages per rally and the person with the quickest time combined with all eight stages wins the rally

@W1interWolf

Жыл бұрын

really depends on the event for WRC make it more like to 18 or 20 for locals rally sprints 8 sounds about right

@DrMcKay66

Жыл бұрын

When group B was at its best there could be 50 stages in one rally. Talk about crazy times back in the 80,s.

3 of us are high man. And 2 of them are you guys.Love it! Great content! Ill check some more of your videos.

Ford had what they thought would be a Group B legion, the RS200. It was due to debut until the group was dropped. There are still a few about if you have a spare £300k. The Road version was the tamed down RS2000

@Sharpey187

Жыл бұрын

The RS200 was the car that crashed into the spectators, injuring & killing some, you could get a road version of it, the RS2000’s are the fast Ford Escort’s

@DaSoda70

Жыл бұрын

The thing about the RS200 is that it really was going to be the next big thing, they just didn't have time to work out its kinks. The remainders that got sold off absolutely dominated the RX scene.

Great video's guys. keep up the work!

This isn't new it started way back in 1911 (Monte Carlo Rally). In the 60's the tiny Mini Cooper was winning at rallying... Watch some of the older ones and see if you recognise any of the cars...

I think one of the criteria for original rally was that the course is not a race track. The course was all ways on existing roads and tracks thru the country side if europe. That way people from the little villages, simply closed the roads and waited for the race to roll thru. True community sport!

01:26 Rally takes place every wher .On Tarmac , on hills, ongravel on ice ,on snow even some deep puddle and muddy curves are there. on villages and even city street stages are in rally.

Group B... B for Bonkers

Keep going mookie , apreciated it

Try looking at the Isle of mann TT. Motorcycle road races on regular roads shut down for the timed race.

You seriously though rally was a little trick show? A stunt? Man what rock did you sleep under?

Rally is set on stages in normal roads or dirt roads.

@dunsonhouse

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the comment

it is a race but against time...the one that beats the time wins thats why every car is on a different track

In Rally there is the driver and the co driver, who gives directions

Just this weekend, in Madeira Island (Portugal) a rally car ran over a little girl (8 years old) who was crossing the street in the middle of the rally :(

the rallies are time trials, so once car goes at a time and your trying to get the fastest time

Finally hahaha Ya mon thats real driving hahaha

they go "alone" on the stages, the race the clock in different stages as its called.

2 ppl dont control the car there's 1 driver and a co driver that reads pace notes

People forget how wild the automotive engineering was back in the 80s and 90s. Them boys gave zero fks. Lmao

I'm glad you guys chose this video. Driver61 is valid

group b was SICK

They where rather boxy or wedgeshaped because they where designed in the 70s and 80s/ used in the 80s.

WRC Rally Finland 2021 - MAX ATTACK

Rallie is a time trial/time attack race.

Group B was effectively Formula 1 in the forest. Utterly mad, but amazing,

09:56 Yes think that time was NOT GPS but co-driver like in purpel T -shirt mister and if he make mistake and say wrong or even miss notes one curbe then is crash quarntied !

Wooshhhh

Hey almost 80k subs keep frosty guys

"They ain't got no guard rails!" Me: "yeah, now you're gonna see how that turned out."

Somewhat related, you may wish to check out the Pike's Peak Hill Climb. It's held in Colorado, up to the top of Pike's Peak. A video of the danger in it can be found at kzread.info/dash/bejne/pq5hrs6rkpisesY.html

Winner was determined by whoever get the Fastest time during each stage.

Group B overtaking rules 101 - If you can catch up to the guy in front of you, you have to pass somehow to overtake. On those streets that basically means you either drive all the way behind him and will not be able to gain more minutes on the scoreboard, or you hunt him that close that he, one of the best drivers ever, will drive himself to death. Which is in itself a risky thing to do. Just imagine to try to hunt ken block on roads like that to make a mistake before you do.

check out some rally cockpit view video

All over the world in the forest It's against the clock one at a time.

2:28 there were some deaths in this era of rally that's why it was banned in 1986

@judyparsons1333

16 күн бұрын

They would have been better keeping spectators back than making the race more safe these guys have got guts they know the risks why take that away from them.

Rally is in stages and each stage is in a different country

The driver that does the sickest drift wins the rally.

@arconeagain

Жыл бұрын

Ha, ha. Don't say that, they'll believe it. I think Ken Block has distorted the image of rally in America. And he can't really drive that well. I watched his first ever stage in world rally. He was a minute off the pace! After just one stage! And he had a good car with all the sponsors. What a loser.

These cars are farther away from Nascars then the earth is from the sun! ^^

'WRC is for boys, Group B was for men' - Jahu Kankkunen (4x WRC champion) and yes, that includes the GOAT female driver Michele Mouton that almost won a Group B WRC. The reason it was even more batsh1t crazy than people give it credit for: stages in the dark, and easily 4x as long, bad brakes, bad suspension, no safety (sitting on the fuel tank) and very hard to drive fast (even the more balanced ones) there was hardly any grip. Now add 600bhp with less than a 1000kg ... Total madness. If you guys want to learn more and see absolutely insane footage, checkout the 'Still too fast to race' or 'Group B madness' documentaries.

Check out sidecar racing guys, some of the craziest things you'll ever see on a track

Guys... Rally racing is a time trial race... not a traditional race...

The Mini won 3 races in a row I think?

Rally are races on roads (obviously pre-established before and closed to traffic) against time (who takes less time wins). I simplified a lot, there are many other rules but (who want) can go online (Wikipedia or WRC site) and get info (sorry for eng).

3:10 13:01 Rally Portugal one of the worse rallys when it comes to lack of spectaror control in the Group B era and was a additional reason to fatal accidents group B was banned by FIA in 87. I realy miss group B and my fav rally car of all times Audi Sport Quattro S1E2 :)

The modern WRC Cars are even faster and the drivers go 10x harder they are not afraid of anything since the cars are so strong and there is more safety.

Ralley racing isn't about beating someone on track at same time. Its can you run same track faster than everyone else.

Most of this footages are in Portugal

Were you listening to the engine sizes.no 7.0s here I am old enough i walked 5 miles each way to watch them to perform in 1985 worth every step

Can't watch this just for the intro yo-yo.

it's timed raced - the fastest car over the course wins.

One thing with Rally (at least in the olden time) was that the car had to be street legal, becasue they was forced to drive on public roads like any other vehicle between timed tracks. Typically each show would have between 5 and 10 timed tracks, and the cars simply drive from one to a other. In the really olden day, they even drive between the different places.

@marcstafanov8431

9 ай бұрын

Its the same thing today actually they always had to be street legal no Matter If it was in the 90s,2000s,2010s or the 2020s sorry for the late reply btw

@matsv201

9 ай бұрын

@@marcstafanov8431 well yes, but that is difrent to pretty much any other motor sport.

@marcstafanov8431

9 ай бұрын

@@matsv201 true wrc is one of the only motorsports where the the car has to be street legal

Evry time i see americans that never saw group b rally i think how can that be rally is like well known motorsport

Fix the audio. It's muffled and very low in volume.

Get deeper into investigating rally and you will be amazed.

Wth did you guy say to make the pitstop video age-gated?

yo yo yo yall should check out rock bouncer crash complations their incredible

Watch the pikes peak hill climb. It’s insane

@DoubleMonoLR

Күн бұрын

It was a whole lot better before they sealed the road though.

check first person view... without a navigator it would be madness.. let me get it straight... it is still PURE madness... just watch it .. or walter röhlr foot work .. MADNESS

There is rally all over the world. I compete within the US in the ARA (American Rally Association) and NASA rally sport (North American Sporting Association Rally Sport) championships. Basically every country on earth have a championship somewhere. If you wanna find any events near y’all, look at the ARA championship!

@regfenster

Жыл бұрын

That is true today, but US motorsport was more or less oval based racing during the Grp B era. Rally sport is relatively new to North America when compared to its history across Europe. This is more or less due to different car cultures between our continents. America built her cities more or less around Cars, hence the grid design of the big metropolis areas, this meant large wide lanes and large wide cars to suit. Europe's car industry has to contend with roads and cities that in some instant are a thousand years old, therefore cars are more compact to reflect their surroundings, with also a lot of the twisty bends handling was of paramount importance as well, thus the cars of Europe were more suited to time trial events through challenging roads. You will never see a period American manufactured car compete on the brown stuff in Europe during the Grp A/WRC era. It is good to watch American visitors to the UK take on what we call a B road, I drive on B roads most days in Dorset on the south coast, some of these roads were laid by the Romans over 2 thousand years ago, I do this in an 18 ton 30ft by 9ft wide truck daily. Not to say that American cars did not have success in Europe, the 1960's duels between 1000cc Mini Coopers and the relatively compact Ford Mustangs with their big V8's is amazing to watch and still takes place today across the UK, the Mini smokes the Mustang on the twisty bits but on the straights its all about the Ford, well worth a watch.