Actually this story of King Lobengula having sold the country for sugar was invented in the 1980s at UZ as a tribal insult joke between UBA.

@Shalom491

Ай бұрын

Imagine an ignorant fool actually believing that and adding this joke into history books.

Matebeland has the right to sue the current Queen of England for knowingly deceiving the King of Matebeland and looting the minerals from his land and also not playing their part of fulfilling the agreement.

@foxbat473

2 жыл бұрын

How are you arriving at that?

@richardmelusi4129

2 жыл бұрын

@@foxbat473 The British already paid the Mau Mau people of Kenya for what they did to them, killing them and forcefully taking their land, the British used deception to steal from the locals.

@foxbat473

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardmelusi4129 i didnt know about the Mau Mau, but they probably the first and last

@richardmelusi4129

2 жыл бұрын

@@foxbat473 I guess so but yes they received good compensation for it, I know they can't afford to pay for all their evil deeds, acknowledgement would be nice too.

@tanakamlilo7027

2 жыл бұрын

they have a right to sue the current queen for all the wealth that was lost but also consider that Lubengula Khumalo is not native to zimbabwe Lubengula claimed all over Zimbabwe but he was not king to all of zimbabwe

long live muzilikazi iam shona but i respect my king

@achisare

13 күн бұрын

Nyasarandi

Crazy amount of information jammed into a 12 minute video. Really loving these history lessons. I used to live near Hope Fountain.

@ZimTechGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, so this history hits home for you?

@sithabelamandlawenkosiwodu6298

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZimTechGuy absolutely. Used to go there with my dad all the time. My cousin learned at the high school too.

@Zimboprenuer

2 жыл бұрын

My Aunties teaches at Tenson Hlabangani

The sugar issue is more like the Ndebeles calling Shona people Amasvina or amatshona.... there's no meaning or truth in that. Myself I only heard it once that Lobengula sold out the country for sugar immediately I dismissed it. My grandfather also dismissed that. Zimbabwe is for everyone who love it I believe so. As long as we fight among each other we will remain defeated and underclass.

Great research mate!

@ZimTechGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

King Lobhengula khumalo fought hard to defend the country more than who ever in Zimbabwe ,in one battle of gadade Lobhengula lost 6 thousands warriors as European invaders were using morden machine guns. The sugar issue comes from zanu pf shona ideology of genocide.

the sugar issue is a shona tribalist issue us NDEBELES know the truth and thats the truth right there thanks for educating my shona brother's

@Nyatsimba_Mutota

2 жыл бұрын

To be honest, I'm Shona and the sugar narrative never set well with me from the very beginning I ever heard it as a kid. I mean how can a whole nation be sold by a sack of sugar and the council of the elders agreed for the king to do such a thing?...

@marigoldbeam5475

Жыл бұрын

Your Shona brothers in lower case whilst Ndebele is in capitals. You effing tribalist *ss.

It’s grates me so much how the cruelty of greedy men dictates so much of the worlds history. Not that it could have ever gone any other way- if not the British it would have been the Italians or Germans or French..

I am told that part of the deal between Lobengula and Rhodes was the supply of some horses and the clothes of a victorian gentleman. So the images we have of Lobengula were posed and not his usual attire (a London gentleman on a horse). A couple of the records regarding Lobengula say he had an extremely sharp mind.

The story of lobengula was one of a great tragedy. It still moves strong emotions in me. Dope video man

I'm enjoying this staff

In the name of Christ, so many atrocities and exploitations are committed. God avenges.

I Love your channel wangu bhora mberi

@ZimTechGuy

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Chibaba

Much of this narrative is still Eurocentric colonialist history. Thompson was held captive in Mthwakazi for over a year because of the fake Rudd Concession that the King had not signed and he only found out through newspapers of the Cape Colony that criminal Rhodes had flew to England to present a document supposedly signed by the King of Mthwakazi. King Lobhengula never signed any Rudd Concession and the diaries of those white men will more than likely tell a better version as intended to their families. There is also the mater of this Manyika Treaty, signed by the Mashonaland chiefs allowing the colonisation of Mashonaland, 3 years before Mthwakazi /Matabeleland was to be colonised.

@user-ck3hz7dp3g

10 ай бұрын

THIS is the truth. I can't believe just how many people fell for the divide and rule colonialist strategy. Do you honestly think those fellows had the ethics to patiently wait for an illiterate man to put the letter X, in exchange for the minerals? Really?????

Thank you one of the best and open account i got for the Concession

thax for that information

Treaties were a Berlin Africa Conference requirement. Just a ruse of demarcation of what belonged to whom among the Europeans. The documents were fraudulent and unenforceable at law. The suggestion that Lobengula sold out is ludicrous and ridiculous. Military invasion was the determinate. Hence when the Colonisers occupied Mashonaland since 1890 they were ready to strike. The Ndebele fought the bravest fight against the British Colonisers assisted by some Black people. Guess who?? Some were the Xhosa also known as the Mfengu among others. The British had waited until they had the Maxim gun. The mighty Imbizo fought a gallant fight. They defended the country. Never sold out.

@ZimTechGuy

Жыл бұрын

True, check out my latest video

The coloured of Zimbabwe great

There are some sellout elements in the way Mashonaland was colonised in 1890, why didn't they try resisting rather than giving in as a Protectorate

That's all bull shit, utter nonsense. The thing is whether he agreed or not those British would still have had their own way to over power him.

@foxbat473

2 жыл бұрын

Thats very true British were too powerful for any African army

@greenpeace7380

Жыл бұрын

And Lobhengula knew it that he had no power to stop them. All he did was try delay the inevitable. In one of the articles I have read, given the situations he found his nation in in relation to Settlers, Lobhengula likened himself to a fly that waa being stocked by a chameleon. The outcome was inevitable, concessions or not, he was doomed. Its in Nguni culture never to underestimate one's foes

@zee-pougebndouyebani9828

Жыл бұрын

@@greenpeace7380 Very true, my great grandfather was a Paramount Chief and the whites wanted more than half of his land for Commercial purposes, He refused absolutely. But that was the end of him. Pple must stop blaming Lobengula for nothing, even the Zulu king tried to fight the Settlers but they failed.

Similar but modern story now happening with the Chinese slowly taking over Zimbabwe.

@ZimTechGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting perspective

@tawamj007

2 жыл бұрын

It ain’t similar Lobengula was duped , these guys in this modern era can read and understand. They are just doing it for for greed nothing else matters to them . I ain’t see Zanu pf sending documents back to China explaining how they have been exploited other than congratulating Xi Jinping

@tendaifushai5651

2 жыл бұрын

Not really.... they do not have property rights

@hillarytshabalala8354

2 жыл бұрын

No Bruv , there was no sugar involved.. Lobengula was promised guns . The person who really sold the nation was loathe

@hillarytshabalala8354

2 жыл бұрын

Lotshe

Yikungahloniphani lokhu....i even saw it in school books.

Can you do a history on Batonga of zim

You trying to say the King never tasted honey before? Think think

I doubt he had a signature, so they would say, "just put an x" like wise, some of us here Do not have signatures, they just write an initial and surname 😀😀

Another version involves gout and crystalline morphine

How can you sell something that doesn't exist, there was no Zimbabwe back then only kingdoms

You should do more historic videos

Who believes in such crap in this day and age, We know that it is not true, Lobengula was a very smart man, smarter than all Zanu politicians combined

Great video, I’m Ndebele and I went to a school in the Midlands and I used to get abuse on this and used to be called ‘tshukela’ lol. Out of interest how did this rumour start?

@zimasamadikizela2346

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂dead

@prettyafricangirl8046

2 жыл бұрын

I think it was started by some tribalism trying to undermine the power of the Ndebele at the time

@zimasamadikizela2346

2 жыл бұрын

@@prettyafricangirl8046 that can be true you know

@stanleygambiza9096

2 жыл бұрын

😀😀😀😅😅😅

@mabutonsingo96

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 eeeish bafo yah leyo inzima

He did not sell anything. The great King was conned.

"Thomoson"....

He did sign off too many treaties and as a result the colonisers took advantage!!

@phumulani4208

Жыл бұрын

I think he didn't know what signing was, coz of language barrier

@supastar25

10 ай бұрын

That's a fair assessment. They eventually took advantage

@ironore1000

2 ай бұрын

@@supastar25 meanwhile, the shonas we’re working with the Brits. And what did the famous grandmother do to fight back against gun powder from an imperial powerhouse that had conquered the world? Nothing.

Toziva sei kuti ndi Lobengula aka Saina X.

King Mzilikazi arrived in Matabeleland in 1841 not 1820's

@ronaldmadziro5679

2 жыл бұрын

Mzilikazi arrived in Zimbabwe after fleeing Shaka Zulu who wanted to kill him.Now since Shaka Zulu died in 1828,it's obvious that Mzilikazi arrived in the 1820s when Shaka was still alive,not the 1840s .

@thompsonmkwananzi1176

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldmadziro5679 That's not true my brother he left kzn around 1822 stopped in Mozambique till 1826 then across the drakensberg to amerli, Pretoria, Johannesburg and Mosega from there in 1837. He went through Botswana into Zambia then stopped at makarikari for 3 years finally ntabayezinduna 1841.

@ndix2053

2 жыл бұрын

He actually arrived in 1840!

@zimbabwe_twinnedwithanfield

2 жыл бұрын

@@thompsonmkwananzi1176 you seem to know a lot about our history. where can a young man like myself aquire such knowledge, or somewhere to start off.

@richardncube2251

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldmadziro5679 kkkkk Tshaka died while Mzilikazi was in transvaal the shona narrative of Mzilikazi running from Tshaka has many loops

Great video,

@ZimTechGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Not forgetting to mention Thompson was terrified by Lobengula and the Ndebele. They were a war Tribe who were raiding nearby Shona villages occasionally. Rudd and his crew spent many weeks at the King's kraal because Lobengula refused to give them an audience since he had a lot of European parties treaty seeking

Whether he sold it or not we gained from colonization

Lobhengula was the King of the Ndebeles not of Zimbabwe, there was no Zimbabwe then, how can you sell what you never owned .

@ebenymukanhairi5891

Жыл бұрын

Rozi empire was stretching as far as South Africa Limpopo, that includes aswell what you call Matebeleland.

@ironore1000

2 ай бұрын

@@ebenymukanhairi5891but the so called rozwi were not try ing the Ndebele. The whole thing falls easily apart.

Please let this not be true yoh

First lets face the fact that Mzilikazi, a Zulu general who defected from Tshaka and journeyed north, colonized the land of the Mashona tribes by force and his son in turn gave the land to the European settlers by treaty and concession. The settlers did not take it by force. One thing that was left out was Lobengula suffered from gout and morphine supplied by the Europeans would give him a brief relief. This made him dependent on them and so its important to note that there were many moving pieces in Lobengula's entertainment of the desires of the settlers. For every move the settlers made, they wanted some form of legal/covenantal cover. Our people already understood covenant because in the time of famine, you could pledge your children in exchange for a loan of grain and if you failed to pay, you had to give up your children. My grandfather's second wife was payment for al loan from Gore Renzara( the year of famine) so Africans understood that treaty and agreement on issues was sacred. Yes Lobengula got tricked. But such is the way of the world.

The Old Bulawayo

Please turn English subtitle (same with recent Coloured people clip).

@ZimTechGuy

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, its still processing am working on it

@ZimTechGuy

2 жыл бұрын

They are now working

@sbukubheka4009

2 жыл бұрын

KZread does have subtitles press that small (cc)

It's an insult to Ndebele people stop this thing of sugar

Its not true that Lobhengula's was illeterate, he actually loved reading. His nickname Ngwalongwalo comes from his love of books, ingwalo. There's Ndebele banter on Khumalo, Khuma is Ndebele for the act of eating powdered food like sugar and lo from whitemen's pidgin Ndebele called either Fanikalo or Lololo. Other tribes enjoy taking that joke literally and often too far.

@lazaruschabvuta4844

2 жыл бұрын

Yooh bro you too much

@foxbat473

2 жыл бұрын

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣Lobengula loved what?🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂

@foxbat473

2 жыл бұрын

@@lazaruschabvuta4844 Lobengula loved reading mills & boons novels 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@vuyisilendlovu8231

2 жыл бұрын

While it was true that he loved reading, we must admit that his literacy level was not and would have not been efficient enough to understand complex contractual documents such as the Rudd Concession, thereby making it easier for him to be tricked into signing away his land. His literacy was probably only at beginner's/primary school level at most.

@ironore1000

2 ай бұрын

@@vuyisilendlovu8231where was mbuya and sekuru?

🇿🇼🇿🇼🇿🇼🇿🇼🇿🇼

Sorry bekhu nolujo lwenyose, ingkhwongwoshane,bhoshwe

Mashona Kathi linga khulumi eyen history eyoku thi u Nehandaaaa wabulala a Mabhunu ngesiki

@sharon4christ957

2 жыл бұрын

Aaàaa lawe 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@florencemlalazi5322

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣inkinga Mina angizwisisi ukuthi ilizwe ngelabo bodwa.

@thandymakhena6039

11 ай бұрын

Ayyy kodwa lawe🙌🙌🙌🙌 Uqinisile nje kabatshiye lento yabo yokukhuluma abangakwaziyo betshiya okwakibo nxa!

They're still some selling for a teaspoon of sugar to the 🐍🐍🐍

“Zimbabwe” didn’t exist. It’s just mischief to justify Gukurahundi and Mat’Land marginalisation.

History written by europeans....???

@ollenndlovu537

Жыл бұрын

History by Europeans is much much better than the one written by locals, we find tonnes of lies in our currently taught history the liberation of Zimbabwe.. The so called historians are taking tribal lines, and creating derogatory narratives about other ethnic groups and call it history.. If you are to read about gukurahundi you will faint of lies in that report .

It's a metaphor. And it's true.

@Zimboprenuer

2 жыл бұрын

How is a metaphor true

@ironore1000

2 ай бұрын

@@Zimboprenuerdon’t worry, they’re so blinded by generational hatred so much that no amount of education can change their myopic worldview.

I find it strange that you do not mention the friendship that eventuated between Lobangula and Rhodes and the Fact that it was Rhodes who stood against Lobangula slaughtering the Mashona's trying then to bring about reconcilliation between the two tribes. Please be unbiased when telling a story. See my previous post on some facts.

@sheltonnkomo1499

Жыл бұрын

Its not true that Lobhengula wanted to slaughter Shona speaking ppl. Lobhengula had gud relations with a certain shona cheif to a point tha he lobhengula gave some of his cattle to that cheif.But that latter on was convinced by whites to rob Lobhengula of his cattle. Whites new how to bring devision btwn the two tribes. Even after independence Mugabe was used by whites to turn against Joshua nkomo

@Priapus212

Жыл бұрын

You have Eurocentric bias. This is Africa.

@kerimarthaanderson2859

Жыл бұрын

Where you there. If not shut up

yb better

Beware of second Gukurahundi around the corner if we failing to mature.

Kkkk zvakaoma

I've noticed that in many times the entire Matabeleland people whenever you talk about this topic they quickly become sensitive. And immediately they start blaming all Shona speaking people for gukurahundi. Why is that so?. I think people should be educated on both sides , myself I've moved away from this war.

@richardncube2251

Жыл бұрын

Which education if you do your research you will find a certain Mutasa Makoni who signed treaties of actually selling land in Mutare 1889 not mining rights

@achisare

Жыл бұрын

@@richardncube2251 I'm talking about selling the entire country not Mutare. That's the education I'm talking about.

@ironore1000

2 ай бұрын

Because shonas are murderers.

@MduduziSibanda-hh5rv

13 күн бұрын

Nobody sold the country,the Guguwundists are the ones who sold the country because of greediness

@achisare

13 күн бұрын

@@MduduziSibanda-hh5rv they sold it to whom?

Which authorities authenticate this false information this is information is total false and destabing Muzilikazi the father to lobengula was just a warrior of the assassinators(madzwiti) he never be a king or his feet never been in Matebeland. 1880 Lobengula was 16 yeas after destroyed the Lozvi empire Muzilikazi and family goes back KwaZulu-Natal. And only come back 1924 for the awards of a well job done . by the colonial agency. They name Matebeland for propaganda reasons

Sugar story it's nonsense and stupidity

Bullshit wena you must respect Ndebele please that's nonsense nothing like that happened in Mthwakazi during that time

@ChrissieThefirst

9 ай бұрын

Y'all are in denial, the fat mf signed the papers😂

I love how the Shona call the Zimbabwe ruins Great Zimbabwe, as if they had anything to do with it.

@ashley2429

6 ай бұрын

Wow? May I ask who was responsible for it?

@tightcamper

6 ай бұрын

@@ashley2429 A civilisation who occupied the area long before they were there.

@carlmalone8472

3 ай бұрын

You Ndebele?

Lobengula never sell a country with sugar us only you karangas selling Zimbabwe to the little Chinese

@ChrissieThefirst

9 ай бұрын

Didn't he sign the damn papers?😂 you are in denial

Lies

It's not true. Worst propaganda ever.

It's a lie. Europeans defeated Lobengula because Shonas collided with the British.

@sizwehadebe8469

Жыл бұрын

It is a lie.

@ChrissieThefirst

9 ай бұрын

Denial is a river in Egypt😂 he signed the papers didn't he?

Who are you,are you working for zanu.you are trying to divide Zimbabwe on tribal grounds by bringing useless issues like this.we also did history in school, history it is.so my friend the issue you are trying to bring up belongs to the past .why do you have the mentality a backward being.such issues don't bring food on the table . Zimbabwe is marching forward ,not digging old stories that won't solve our already crippled economy.channel your energies on progressive issues.

No more sugar nonsense

There are some sellout elements in the way Mashonaland was colonised in 1890, why didn't they try resisting rather than giving in as a Protectorate

There are some sellout elements in the way Mashonaland was colonised in 1890, why didn't they try resisting rather than giving in as a Protectorate