I absolutely agree with what Estelle said at the end. I agree with her statement that events like the French Revolution and revolutions in general, don't change fundamental things: it's just the new set of rulers, replacing the old set of rulers. And I also see history as relevant for the modern day because many issues we face today happened before and we were fine, so no need to panic. And the past explains the present. She uses the example of young people not affording homes and having fewer kids in the early 17th century. I have a different, but similar example: the 2nd wave of the Black Death called the Children's Plague (around 1360) affected men and children in particular. This resulted in a lot of widows with their own inherited wealth. What did women do left to their own devices? They married later, for love, had fewer kids and many stayed single. This tells me that people online today complaining about the "modern dating scene" don't understand that this is what women have always wanted. This didn't come with modern day feminism tricking them. And feminism wasn't something that just came along out of nothing in the 19th century, it was a consequence of past events. It didn't distort any natural order of things. This is the natural order of things: free women don't want to be baby making machines and glorified cooks and janitors for men.

@annalisette5897

Ай бұрын

History moves slowly despite upheavals like revolutions. There is a fellow with a YT channel who presents accurate but negative videos about the British monarchy. He advocates getting rid of the monarchy for a variety of reasons, including financial. Yet the majority of the people seem to cherish the stability of the system. On an extremely negative topic, here in the US we still suffer from centuries of racial issues. Change comes slowly and few changes are conclusive as people grasp onto the past whether it was good or bad.

I am currently reading her blood fire and gold book and would recommend it as it is very interesting. Thank you both for a great discussion.

I really appreciate the last point you both made, that Dr. Estelle touched on earlier, about making a reasoned point with supporting evidence for the sake of intellectual debate and discussion, while keeping an open mind to the idea that there is evidence that has yet to be discovered and some that has been lost entirely. That is an extremely healthy and intelligent way to approach almost anything that life and the world can present to us. We don't know everything about everything and new information surprises us constantly. Critical thinking requires the ability to change our minds. Excellent point. I enjoyed this whole conversation! So nuanced and meaty! ❤

That was a really fascinating discussion! I hope you can invite her back sometime! Thank you both so much!

Fabulous interview. Thank you both. G Ire

What a wonderful discussion. I really enjoyed this. I do hope you will invite your guest back. Bravo 👏 ❤

Thank you Philippa & thank you Estelle!! This is amazing!!! Absolutely loved this 👏👏👏👍🧡

@BritishHistory

Ай бұрын

You are so welcome

I pre-ordered your book today on my Kindle! I can't wait until November!

By the time children are three parents can tell who are brightest. Regardless of first children the brightest girl would be better educated and pushed forward for political position.

@graphiquejack

16 күн бұрын

Exactly. There a few points I disagree with Estelle on, however, I would be very interested to read this book because I think we’ve needed a book on Anne that actually really explains what happened in France and how much it truly influenced her life, To get into the French archives to find anything written about her has been needed for a very long time.

That's an idea for another book. Queen's behind the famous monarchs . The widowed regents

I sort of reasoned out that Anne Boleyn might have been born early in 1503. There is indication that she was intelligent and precocious. Rather than birth order defining her future, perhaps she showed an ability to learn languages or absorb other material. It is thought brother George was born around 1504 and I think it is possible that Anne and George could have learned together, whether or not Anne was formally tutored. Perhaps Mary had fewer gifts for learning. In the end she married for love and seems to have had a decent life as the "Last Boleyn". I really started thinking about Anne's birthdate because of a comment someone left somewhere, hoping Henry didn't get rid of her because she was too old to reasonably produce the needed son. If she was born in 1500 or 1501, she would have been about 36 when she died, only a few years younger than when Katherine of Aragon was no longer able to produce children. If Anne was born early in 1503, she would have been around 33 when she died. Jane Seymour was in her late twenties when Henry married her, so that age or early thirties, did not seem to be a deterrent. If adulthood for females was determined by puberty, there is no reason to think Anne could not have reached this state when she was twelve or so. If she was intellectually gifted and physically mature for the time, perhaps she could have entered the court or Marguerite of Austria at a slightly younger age than fourteen which has been stated as a requirement. One way to figure it out, if such records could be found, would have to do with charitable distributions at a holiday time. It is said the queen would give coins to poor people for every year of her life. I do not remember the particulars but part of it was distributing alms representing the queen's age.

@graphiquejack

16 күн бұрын

The 1501 argument has never seemed very plausible to me, personally. I think she was sent as a young g girl to The Low Countries to be in the royal nursery, not the court, and it was actually very common for families to send their young children away to be educated, if they were able to do so. All the references to Anne’s age that we have all point to a 1507 date which is why historians have believed this for centuries. Are all those sources wrong because one person made a theory that a young girl couldn’t have written a letter to her father at the age she would have been if she was born in 1507? No. Firstly the letter was, by all historians opinions, poorly written and Anne herself admits as much. So this is the gifted young teenager sent to the court of Margaret of Austria? How is she ‘so accomplished for her young age’ if she can barely write French in a messy, blotchy hand? It doesn’t make sense… and how does it make sense for Henry to throw over one wife who can no longer have children for a woman who is by all standards of the day past an age when she would be expected to be married, chancing having another wife who isn’t likely to have many children? No, 1501 is an unreasonable date… I could possibly believe 1503 or 1505 but there’s literally nothing in the historical record that would point to those specific years, when there are many sources that say she ‘was not quite 29’ at her execution.

Thanks!

@BritishHistory

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much Theresa! 😄

Fantastic discussion! I cannot wait to see Anne Boleyn through the eyes of the French.

Sad that the shenanigans of a few caused such harm to so many people!!

Queen Claude was also tolerant of Francis. She was no joke!!

@BritishHistory

Ай бұрын

Indeed!

As touching your sister’s matter, I have caused Walter Welze to write to my lord my mind therein, whereby I trust that Eve shall not have power to deceive Adam; for surely, whatso- ever is said, it cannot so stand with his honour but that he must needs take her, his natural daughter, now in her extreme necessity.- This quote is from one of Henry VIII’s love letters. Is it possible that the word natural is an euphemism for illegitimate , thus Mary could be seen as a second class child?

I am neither hating or loving, but it is interesting.

I wonder though, if Anne was the oldest daughter, then Mary must have been scary young (18 at most) when her affair with Henry supposedly started.

@BritishHistory

Ай бұрын

Interesting point! Thank you for watching and commenting 😃

@markpage9886

Ай бұрын

Margaret Tudor, nee Beaufort has that beat

„…You want the same guy…“: desagree. Anne wanted Respekt, I guess.