Portraying the Bible accurately means you are going to end up making something Catholic .It is very typical .

@mattscheib6801

10 сағат бұрын

But the show isn't accurate. It's almost all made up.

@jtmartin1170

9 сағат бұрын

W

@OneTrueVikingbard

56 минут бұрын

Except that part where Jesus reproached a woman who praised Mary (His mother) and told His disciples to let no man call them “father”. Oops! 🫢

I love being Catholic. Been Catholic for 1 year and it's the greatest experience ever.

@pauldbeer

Күн бұрын

I love being a child of God through Christ Jesus. The church I belong too is not important at all!

@Musashination

22 сағат бұрын

@@pauldbeer yes it is important. If not, them anyone can make theology about anything.

@CarpDiemBaby

22 сағат бұрын

@@pauldbeercope

@tony1685

14 сағат бұрын

@@Musashination ah, kinda like the paganism created by catholicism. that makes sense. one who follows Christ should obey the Bible and become Christian!

@ogdnaemoc

10 сағат бұрын

@@tony1685 What bible did the Christians in 100, 200, 300AD read and follow? And after the bible was compiled in 382 AD by the CC, how many people could read and how would it be distributed? Was there a Christian book store just around the corner? How long would it take for a bible to be copied down?

I always imagined Jesus saying those words with his hand on Peter’s shoulder!

@SipswithSerra

6 күн бұрын

Same here!

@IoannesVI

6 күн бұрын

Yes, because it is a blessing. Jesus blesses Peter. Jimmy Akin talks about this somewhere. Not about the hand on his shoulder, but about the format being a blessing.

@PatrickSteil

6 күн бұрын

And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” That’s because the Scripture has Jesus saying this TO Peter. Not to all who could hear him and then tells them not to tell anyone. Wild.

@rexfordtugwelljr

6 күн бұрын

@@IoannesVI ! ’ve read that analysis. It’s what convinced him of the papacy. Akin mentions D.A. Carson, Baptist scripture scholar, basically saying in his commentary on Matthew that Peter is obviously the rock. It’s only anti-Catholic bias that keep people from admitting it

@BensWorkshop

6 күн бұрын

@@IoannesVI Three fold three fold blessing, not just a blessing or even a three fold blessing. Not the only place it is affirmed either.

"You must sumbit a written formal inquiry to speak to the rock." I love that scene

@notasinglesoul1179

Күн бұрын

they were all illeterate no?

@george484-ns7ck

Күн бұрын

@@notasinglesoul1179 I'm pretty sure they knew how to read

@olivetaelizabeth

Күн бұрын

The Rock indeed who holds the keys to the Kingdom of heaven❤ and the gates of the netherworld can never prevail against it. Period.

They handled Peter so well!

I'm hiding out here for a while from the rabid anti-Catholic attack mob. They haven't found this channel yet.

@user-xn8hj5cp3h

6 күн бұрын

They're here.😬

@flockinchillin37

6 күн бұрын

Even if I’m not always in full agreement with some of the teachings of the church as a Catholic when I see the insane hatred from some protestants and the total disregard and distortion of what we actually believe it makes me glad I’m part of Christ’s church. Their theology is truly embarrassing.

@Funkadere

6 күн бұрын

​@flockinchillin37 not to mention their awful, overused, and blatant use of "gotchas" built on misunderstanding the Church

@bcalvert321

6 күн бұрын

@@FunkadereI hate seeing the bigotry against protestants on these sites. From the saying we don't know the Bible to that stupid idea, we are not saved. Both show hate and ignorance that you haven't a clue about what Jesus taught and what the Bible actually says. Catholics would rather trust men who never knew Jesus than those who did.

@DanielWelsh-pr5xi

6 күн бұрын

@@bcalvert321 this is what catholics are talking about 👆

Another thing is the subtitles. When he addressed Peter and gave him his new name it was a capitalized Rock, but when he said and on this rock it was lowercase

@SipswithSerra

6 күн бұрын

Nice catch I missed that

@littlefishbigmountain

Күн бұрын

It was also a one word sentence, so it could’ve been capitalized for that reason.

I wonder about the actual demographic of those who watch the show. I noticed some protestants refusing to watch because they believe the show to be “graven images”.

@justgreatmagic

6 күн бұрын

...really, lol.

@HellenicCatholic

6 күн бұрын

That’s insane if true.

@manny75586

6 күн бұрын

I've seen that objection on IG. I responded to the guy "what are the photos in your profile if not graven images of anything on Earth or Heaven?" The meltdown was real. The low church definition of idolatry is utter nonsense.

@totallynotthebio-lizard7631

6 күн бұрын

I didn’t watch it because I thought it was like the movie where he acts more like a sorcerer than a man who commands the universe

@justgreatmagic

6 күн бұрын

@@totallynotthebio-lizard7631 you should watch it for yourself, that also absurd in my mind.

It affirms the Catholic understanding because that is exactly how it is in the Bible.

@edithhewson7208

6 күн бұрын

Chosen expands Bible stories beyond the Bible

@edithhewson7208

6 күн бұрын

As catholic doctrine goes beyond the Bible so does the Chosen

@jamwiddle6642

5 күн бұрын

@@edithhewson7208 The Catholic Church compiled the Bible. How can the Catholic Church go against what it created?

@AmodeusR

5 күн бұрын

@@jamwiddle6642 It wasn't the catholic church that compiled the bible lol

@vaderkurt7848

5 күн бұрын

​@@AmodeusR It was. First compiled at the council of rome.

Viganò should watch this, lol

@SipswithSerra

6 күн бұрын

LOL YES

@pmlm1571

6 күн бұрын

Why should Vigano watch something in which he already believes, that is, that Kepha is the earthly head of the church? Aren't you clear that Vigano believes the See is vacant, that the current occupant is, unfortunately, not Kepha's successor?

@pmlm1571

6 күн бұрын

@@SipswithSerra I don't know why +Vigano "should" watch an episode relating what +Vigano already believes, that Kepha is the earthly head of the Church. +Vigano believes in the office of the papacy, what he doesn't accept is that the current occupier of that office is legit. +V believes the See is vacant.

@ignatiusjackson235

6 күн бұрын

@@pmlm1571 Don't you have a Taylor Marshall to put in your mouth?

@lilwaynesworld0

6 күн бұрын

@@pmlm1571so he believes the gates of hell has prevailed against the church

I’m Protestant but I love the Argentina jersey! As an Argentine, +1000 aura.

To be historical and biblical honest is to affirm the papacy

@pauldbeer

6 күн бұрын

BOOO-HOOO! How? in what passage in the Bible did you get that from? Please inform?

@OhmandomStudios

6 күн бұрын

Catholics derive the papacy from Matthew 16:13-19. There's a peter/eliakim typology explaination used here from Isaiah 22 showing parallels to help build the argument. God bless

@byzantinebeauty

6 күн бұрын

@@OhmandomStudioswe have Suan Sonna to thank for this one 🙏🏼

@orthochristos

6 күн бұрын

@@byzantinebeauty Indeed, Suan Sonna quoting all the modern protestant scholars' interpretations and completely ignoring all the Church Fathers of the pre and ante-Nicene period. Sorry, but not convincing at all.

@randycarson9812

6 күн бұрын

@@pauldbeer Mt. 16:19 + Is 22:20-22 + 2 Tim 2:2 = Papacy

I don't really watch The Chosen much, but this scene and the little "dialogue additions" they added actually enhance the scene quite well -- the "dead gods" have nothing to offer their followers, but the "Living God" is able to produce a Son, and those who follow Him and His Church also become His children. Jonathan Roumie's performance after that line was also great, he sells that feeling of indescribable joy Jesus must've been feeling when he realized his top student was one step closer to becoming His brother. The Catholic Church is such a gift, it's The Way to obtaining theosis, and we should always pray, fast, and sacrifice for those who don't have unity with Peter's successors.

Additinally, I love how the Chosen captures the authentic love of Jesus and Mary in the simple, tender, ordinary moments.

Luke 22 24 A dispute also arose among them, as to which of them was to be regarded as the greatest. 31 “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, 32 but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.” Imagine you're an apostle sitting at the last supper and Jesus says this to Peter in front of everyone when you literally just discussed who is the greatest amongst each other. How would you feel?

@jd3jefferson556

6 күн бұрын

The most beloved Apostle was John, however Peter is still the leader of the Apostles

@eddardgreybeard

6 күн бұрын

@@jd3jefferson556 John couldn't be John if he was the leader of the Apostles.

@jd3jefferson556

6 күн бұрын

@@eddardgreybeard exactly. God has such a wonderful plan for each of us.

Peter has been depicted throughout this series as the "alpha" of the group (apart from Christ, of course) and everyone tends to look to him for leadership and guidance, particularly after this scene. Personally, I want to see how they handle the incident with Ananias and Sapphira, assuming they go that far.

@InitialPC

6 күн бұрын

they wont cover acts

@CatholicaVeritas777

5 күн бұрын

@@InitialPClet’s hope they do

@partydean17

5 күн бұрын

@@InitialPC that is very disappointing to hear.

Growing up Protestant (but in RCIA and becoming Catholic next Easter), I heard many sermons on this part of the Bible. I can see why there wasn’t an uproar of backlash about these scenes, because it’s how most Protestants imagine it also when reading the Bible. They acknowledge that Peter was indeed chosen as a leader by Jesus to establish the initial *foundation* for his church. That this would be Peter’s task during his lifetime - to lay a solid foundation with which others could stand and to lead Jesus’ disciples (only the ones that Jesus knew - not future generations) after Jesus died. Therefore Protestants also believe that once Peter eventually died, this task was complete…and since Jesus didn’t explicitly mention that a successor would be needed…and since the New Testament doesn’t talk about appointing a successor after Peter…then that’s the end. That is the typical Protestant belief and I don’t think the show deviated from that or went against that in any way.

@IoannesVI

6 күн бұрын

Acts 1: 25 If Judas Iscariot had someone take his seat then Peter definitely had someone take his seat too.

@tony1685

6 күн бұрын

Matthew was about Peter's Confession -- Jesus as Messiah , not at all about Peter.

@dherpin4874

6 күн бұрын

@@tony1685 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

@tony1685

6 күн бұрын

@@dherpin4874 correct -- now back up to verse :13 -- the Topic is Christ, and the 'rock' His church is build upon is the Fact that Jesus is Messiah and the Son of the Living God. there are multiple verses, proofs making this clear. see 1 Peter 5:1 -- Peter is -the leader- a fellow elder -- nothing more. see Matt 18:1 -- didn't they get the memo? this is only 2 of many, many proofs -- showing this just isn't so, Sir.

@samuelh8441

6 күн бұрын

@@tony1685 thank you! This major point is missed so often in the context. God did not build the foundation of His church on a man ( Peter) but on the truth of who Jesus really is. That's the context.

I saw a video of Dallas, the director, consulting with many theologians before writing the scripts. Many of those theologians where catholic, even Bishop Barron was there once!

@workinprogress-ye5or

Күн бұрын

.I hope he comes back to the round table. He spoke more in a respectful way that the other kind priest. I kept waiting for him to say "Catholics believe this" but he just stayed quiet. I am grateful although I didn't like how Mary speaks of the birth of Jesus later and other things, I am grateful he left "other children" very ambiguous.

To affirm the papacy, look to the readings on Eliakim & Shebna in Isaiah 22 starting in verse 15, not just Peter.

@justgreatmagic

6 күн бұрын

I don't see it, explain more.

@jamesmonahan9408

6 күн бұрын

@@justgreatmagic read it and do a deep study on it.

@justgreatmagic

6 күн бұрын

@@jamesmonahan9408 I’ve read it. All of 22.

@jamesmonahan9408

6 күн бұрын

@@justgreatmagic Research it and study it. After reading do a DEEP STUDY on it.

@roarkkaufman9339

6 күн бұрын

..brother you have to explain the connection. Isaiah 22 shows us the institution of a prime minister under a king, in similar fashion to that of the pope under Christ. Which is what Matt 16 harkens back to with binding and loosing and the connection with doors opening and closing. The best explanationof this ive found online comes from Suan Sonna on youtube. @jamesmonahan9408

In Jesus’s Aramaic it’s much more implicit. He calls Peter ‘Kephas’, and on this Kephas I will build my church. There’s no other words for rock and the fabled ‘pebble’ like there is in Greek.

@eddardgreybeard

6 күн бұрын

Even then, it's distinguishing between the masculine nomative and an actual rock.

@loganholly8401

6 күн бұрын

@@eddardgreybeardYeah because Peter is a male, the Gospel writers didn't want to use petras (feminine) to describe Peter, because he is a male, so they used petros. Not because he is the "little rock" but because petros is masculine.

@Malygosblues

6 күн бұрын

Anyone can volunteer an answer to this. What is the Protestant explanation of why the Lord names Simon as Peter?

@alessandroarsuffi3062

6 күн бұрын

I have heard a few explanations, the most frequent being that the "rock" is that specific act of faith of Peter or​ maybe that Jesus was pointing at himself as the rock. Honestly, all of them are quite weak arguments. In this passage, Jesus says that Simon Peter is BLESSED because the power revealed it to him in person, and no one else. That shows two things: the first being that Peter was somehow enlightened by the Father through the Holy Spirit, which means that the infallibility of Peter and its continuation in the Apostolic See comes entirely from a special act of God: and the second being that this gift is independent of Peter's worthiness. This is the mystery of God choosing whoever he wants for his mysterious purposes: we just have to submit humbly to his will, whatever it is, because God gets the greatest good even from the most terrifying evil.

@FisherOfMenParakletos

6 күн бұрын

Yeah although people could argue He was speaking Greek at the time, but the point is Peter’s real name in aramaic is “Cephas” thats what Jesus changed it to in John 1 so the verse is “you are petros (really cephas) and on this cephas i will build my church”

Peter is the leader, it is very clear in the Bible. Paul went to Peter about the circumcision issue and it was Peter who had the vision to settle the matter. Peter has the keys to the kingdom and the early church has written that Peter knew he was to be replaced when he dies. I don't understand how people can say the Catholic Church made it up when the early church fathers confirmed this papacy centuries before the establishment of the Roman Catholic Church. How can people literally deny it when the evidence is right there? To me, that is satan having his hold on the person. Those people seriously need Jesus

I also think the papacy is affirmed biblically when Jesus asks Peter 3 times if he loves him. And tells him to take care of and feed his sheep. The church.

That second scene was funny. It made me laugh a lot. As for how it was depicted, "Simon becoming Peter" the truth is the truth as recorded in scriptures, our feelings about that are immaterial.

Well, if they followed the gospel readings, then yes!

They literally affirmed the Catholic (aka the original) interpretation of the Papacy (so the role of Peter), I’m PROUD and HAPPY that the show shows literally how it HAS TO BE INTERPRETED. Glory to God, yall this (and other parts in the Chosen) shows the TRUTH of the Catholic Church. “And the gates of hell shall now prevent on it” (Jesus said that, not me. Got it antixclericals and protestants?)

This is the equivalent of our English teacher describing "blue" meant something profound when in fact the author just wanted to say "blue" on the text... 🤣

If it portrays the Bible truthfully, it'll affirm the papacy

My personal take on The Eucharist is: when Jesus said, "Will you leave me too?" Peter's attitude wasn't an adoring, "where else would I go but You!", but more a disturbed, offended, "there isn't anywhere else we CAN go. We're not comfortable with this teaching either, but You are the only source of Truth. We'll stay and hope it makes sense later."

I'm crying with Joy, Christ is king!!

I LOVE THE CHOSEN

@thomasthellamas9886

5 күн бұрын

The Chosen doesn’t seem to understand the foundation of The Holy See, much less love Saint Peter. smh

The actor who plays Jesus is , Maronite Catholic actually;)

In a later episode in this season, Jesus clarified with the disciples that what he meant is that all of them are leaders who will build his church. So therefore, I don’t believe they were trying to confirm the papacy.

I take it as Jesus was personally addressing Simon-Peter when he gave him the title of the rock. It was given person to person. It never has came off to me as something that was supposed to be passed down. On Simon-Peter he did build his church and clearly it was built on a rock because it has lasted for this long, with so many people not supporting the pope.

Also when he asks Peter if he loves him, 2-3 times, to which Peter is instructed to guide the flock! Is that coming up in a later episode? 😊

Yeah definitely confirming Catholic beliefs 🙏🏻❤️

I suppose there wouldn’t be too much controversy because even anglicans can affirm that he was the first among equals, just not papal infallibility.

I always felt they did a good job of staying in the Mere Christianity lane. Which does mean you won't make a ton of people excited, but also not disappoint. But I don't think they are pro-Catholic, though they flirt with it. During the Nativity they showed BVM having some discomfort during birth, which is against Catholic tradition. Though they did in ep 1 of this season focus rather heavily on the Annunciation. An event many Protestants treat as an afterthought.

@revelation1215

6 күн бұрын

The Annunciation is lost in translation for most.

Wow! That Peter / rock scene gave me chills. Brilliantly done! 🙏🏼

yes, absolutely. even if it's not an explicit nod to catholicism, all catholics know what this scene means.

Well I find it encouraging that they said you are Peter, rock and not Peter, pebble. 😂

I didn’t like how giving the keys of the kingdom was not more directly given to Peter in the show during that scene

All our questions and doubts are answered in the Scripture of Truth \ Word of God in its original writing and not blurred in traslations!

What's funny is that they are trying hard to show that Peter is not actually THE ROCK but A STONE by adding a lot of words that are nowhere in the Bible to the show. As an example in the show one disciple told his mother that Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter and it means something like a corner stone of a house.

Just the way Jesus says that Peter's name means rock, and then proceeds to say "And upon this rock..." I don't know how someon could interpret this to suddenly mean anything other than the PERSON.

Another KZreadr pointed out that the Chosen has not given us the "Bread of Life" discourse and the Transfiguration. They may bring them in as "flashbacks" or something like that.

@michaelhaynes6172

6 күн бұрын

Dallas Jenkins said that he wasn't going to include the transformation on the mount because he technically didn't know how to do it effectively on the screen.

@cyril_s

6 күн бұрын

Both are directly related to Eucharist.

@george484-ns7ck

5 күн бұрын

Hopefully he does do the bread of life discourse in a flashback especially during the last supper secne in season 5 it will be perfect

@EpoRose1

5 күн бұрын

@@michaelhaynes6172When was that? Because around August 2023, he had posted- People keep saying the transfiguration would be an important scene, and I'm confused as to why...what purpose would it serve our story?

Even Protestant scholars generally agree Peter had some kind of leadership role in the early Church, based on the evidence in Acts etc. They try to claim it was a lesser authority than the Pope.

@revelation1215

6 күн бұрын

Somehow they miss the importance of Christian unity in the process.

Thinking on Jesus of Nazareth tv miniseries from 1977, it re-aired in the 1980s. Growing up as Protestant...never thought of Peter as an unimportant disciple when seeing that movie. Feel the resistance in history is to corrupt men in the Chair of Peter. If you use that to deny miracles & visions of godly Roman Catholics, you need to live in mystery more..and not say you know the good ones' hearts...when you do not. As Catholic I have more rest to who God is and His plans and Life ...future Presence with Creation. God supports what He wants and hides from others- those that don't love Him where He calls. I believe God is over all regions and souls with other degrees of illumination ...and not judge them as finished, fixed to who they are -cause you are called to be a servant to the Holy Spirit.

Many people don't know that Jesus actually gives the name Peter to Simon in their first encounter (John 1:42). So, the rock upon which Christ builds his Church is not only Peter's confession, but the person of Peter himself.

I agree with you! I believe that our Lord Jesus Christ chose Saint Peter as our first Pope of our Catholic Church Amen⭐️❤️‍🔥🕊✝️🙏

I’m Eastern Orthodox and left neutral. 1st among equals.

I don't watch Chosen anymore due to how they handled with the LGBT flag on cast. But I'm glad to see the show isn't affected by it.

The Chosen has done a decent job at neither confirming nor denying Catholic/Protestant. I respect them for that because I watch various KZread channels that flesh out biblical history as it pertains to the show, and there was so much turmoil around Peter. One creator would literally laugh at the Catholic perspective while doing some serious mental gymnastics when trying to explain the protestant perspective. And, the comment section was full of liberated posters who were quite insulting over this topic. So, I do appreciate that The Chosen does it's best to depict what is biblically accurate without imposing any particular point of view. I look forward to the roundtables that are coming out soon. I like hearing all perspectives and deciding for myself.

The papacy must have started somewhere.

@dherpin4874

Күн бұрын

Jesus-> Saint Peter-> Saint Linus -> Saint Anacletus ->,…………..Pope Francis

They did good but the keys of heaven and rest of the dialouges they made it was for everyone. I was so mad for that. It's so obvious one knows the bible truly will know, Peter is the Rock. My dear protestants who don't believe in Papacy. Just forget what your denominations preach you for a minute. Just have the Holy Bible in your mind and answer to these questions: Psalm 23 says, The Lord is ____ (shepherd) John 10 says, I am the ___ (good shepherd); I lay down my life for the ___ (sheep) In Mathew 16, Jesus gave Simon a new name, he called him Kephas which literally means Rock in Aramaic. Rock here doesn't mean a physical element but a firm foundation. (Explained in Mathew 7:25) He gave Peter the keys of kingdom of heaven and said, "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”(indications in Isaiah 22). (2) Who's the shepherd - Lord is; Now who is a Shepherd?- a person whose job is to look after sheep. Now moving on to John 21, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Feed my lambs", “Take care of my sheep" "Feed my sheep". Jesus rests the responsibility of being a Shepherd on the earth To Peter(since Jesus ascended To heaven). Thus Peter becomes the successor, a person or thing that comes after somebody/something else and takes his/her/its place. And then when Peter died of Crucifixion his responsibility goes to another one, and then to another. Thus the succession of being the shepherd happend for 2000 years. And Pope is a Latin word for Papa, Father. Fathers usually leads the family. On earth pope is being the leader of the catholic church. He leads us to Lord Jesus. And do not twist my words, God Is one and he's in three forms. Saint Peter was a mere human, who glorified God by his martyrdom. But he was elevated by the Christ and the father. So he's a saint. Deep down in ur heart you know this is the truth. But false interpretations of your churches will make it difficult for the brain to accept this simple thing.

@george484-ns7ck

5 күн бұрын

Yes that was my reaction at first why did they make it look like everyone got the keys I got so annoyed but later there was a scene which says Peter has the keys and no one else does. So they kind of saved it.

@doodleart7692

5 күн бұрын

​@@george484-ns7ck I hope they give importance to him. I was not impressed by 4th epidode too. I loved it, but they made Thad, James and mary Magdalene understood Jesus's prognosis and they have been listening while peter arguing over pomegranates. I love how they are giving importance to everyone but st.Peter was the one who acknowledged it first took him aside and said this should not happen and God inreturn gave him an earful😂 but they showed like he didn't care at all. St.peter has always been viewed as a protective hot headed person but here they split his role of being protective to simon z and hothead role to son of thunder. They are doing a great job but some areas are still not acceptable to me. They have a good actor, hope they use him well.

@george484-ns7ck

5 күн бұрын

@@doodleart7692 yeah I know and the bible said none of the disciples understood and they were scared to ask him about his death and resurection

@dumbnumb162

4 күн бұрын

the feed my lambs and take care of my sheep is just the reinstatement of Peter. Peter denied Christ three times, so he told Peter those things 3 times. He asked Peter "Do you love me more than these" because Peter was the only one to say that he wouldn't fall away, though the other "disciples" would. I am leading more towards Eastern Orthodoxy. Peter answered him, “Though they all fall away because of you, I will never fall away.

@miss__k

4 күн бұрын

​@@dumbnumb162 You will say anything but won't accept the truth. Everyone left Jesus except for John, Thomas even doubted him. Peter said he would die for him, the others said that too. But they were saved. Though he denied Jesus, he didn't realize that until the second crow. If you read carefully you yourself can see that. Why Jesus didn't ask anyone else other than Peter to take care of his lamb? You can deny, protest like every protestant do. But you can't ignore the truth for a long time. He was the leader of apostles, even a child can understand that from reading the Bible. Peter was the pope and the other apostles were thr Cardinals present now.

Not only did Christ start the Catholic Church, but the guy playing Jesus is a devout Catholic, so I’m sure there’s a strong Papal leaning somewhere in there

I'm catholic, and I truly think that taking the biblical records seriously makes you more catholic and less protestant. Yet, about this topic, the tipical protestant position is not shaken by Peter beeing the leader because the argument they try to push is: "Jesus makes Peter the leader among the apostles, but doesn't follow that he should have sucessors with the sabe blessings or power". I think the argument is a excuse and the history of the Church and even Acts goes against this argument. What I would like to point out is that the series in this clips isn't enought to call it "a catholic defense" in itself. Peace brothers in Crist 🙏

Great breakdown

I remember in the original trailer for the season seeing a clip from this scene and it gave me the impression it was trying to say this rock was the the living faith so interesting that the final cut appeared more affirming this way.

I heard that in the episode when Jesus says to Peter he will build His church on him that they had Jesus step back and say it like he was talking to all the apostles and not just Peter which would be biblically wrong and very Anti-Catholic?

@annb9029

6 күн бұрын

I think they played both sides

@CatholicaVeritas777

6 күн бұрын

They’re doing it objectively to not offend anyone. Remember, the director is protestant

@PatrickSteil

6 күн бұрын

Yes they did. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

@borquelepork1057

6 күн бұрын

How they did the part about the key made it look like he gave it to all the apostle.

@t.d6379

6 күн бұрын

It's unacceptable for Catholics.

Sidebar, Messi gonna repeat? Who’s winning the euro?

He was the 1st among equals. Not infallible at all.

The cringe of seeing someone write in a notebook during that time period…

@SarahB012

6 күн бұрын

And speak with weird accents in English. It’s hard for me to watch because it feels Disney to me.

@mfranchize8287

6 күн бұрын

@@SarahB012Disney has never done anything like this

@twilightcyber4543

5 күн бұрын

​@@SarahB012their accents would actually be fairly accurate for their culture and time period

@SarahB012

4 күн бұрын

@@twilightcyber4543 in English? No. It’s hard to watch for me.

@SarahB012

4 күн бұрын

@@mfranchize8287 I’m talking about cinematography, accents, script, and just all around cheese.

The real interesting part will be post Resurrection if in Acts Peter will be shown as a first among bishops. Hopefully they do but i also understand they have to be careful and neutral

Love the jersey. VAMOS 🙌

It also affirms the way the Mormons view St Peter

I love this program and have seen every episode. It is as true to scripture as anything I’ve ever seen. I don’t see any ambiguities in the words of Jesus.

Peter was a Catholic scene. But I can't watch the Chosen anymore because they completely skipped John 6 "unless you eat the body of the Son of Man and drink his blood you have no life in you." They sissied their way past it.

@alonamaria279

20 сағат бұрын

I was in pain realising that they skipped the John 6 part ..they did use the verses " Lord , where else would we go ? You have the words of Eternal life. " in ep 8 ..but still without the John 6 context or anything about bread of life

Some were mad on the KZread for that episode but not as bad as I thought

Idk if they’ve done John 6, but I can’t wait to see how they handle that

@ghostapostle7225

6 күн бұрын

They've done (miracle of the multiplication) and nothing of John 6 was mentioned.

Proof of the papacy. Apostolic succession.

Peter is first among equals.

I definitely don’t think it undoubtably affirmed the papacy. It affirmed that Peter had a unique position of leadership among the disciples and that he would be an integral part of the foundation of Christ’s Church, but not necessarily that there would be a continuation of the position that Peter had. I think Protestants would agree with Peter’s leadership position within the Church, they would just argue that it doesn’t imply the necessity of a papacy.

I think they didn't try to affirm the papacy. They tried to stage the scripture scene and it became obvious that scripture affirms the papacy. However they tried to alter the scene enough to leave a doubt about it.

The Bible confirms the papacy

1. Orthodox (all of the other patriarchate than the one of Rome) do believe in papacy they just have a different conception of it. 2. The verse is about Peter's confession about Christ. Peter was indeed the chief of the apostles but subject to make mistakes and to be corrected by Paul for exemple.

The Chosen ended up not including the immediate following sentences in the same conversation were Jesus also calls Peter Satan. I think the show disciples would've been a lot less jealous if that part wasn't omitted.

I had the same thought. They went out of the way to point out that Jesus named him "rock" and "upon this rock I will build my church." Jesus explicitly gives Peter authority over His other followers in this scene.

@pauldbeer

6 күн бұрын

Peter has not been given any authority here, he was only given another name, so people could remember what he actually said! Instead of concentrating on Simon-Peter, maybe it would help if one actually read the whole passage from start to finish to even try and discern what this whole passage was about, don't you think?

@rammawia1149

6 күн бұрын

​@@pauldbeer if hes not referring to peter then did Jesus build a church there in the place where he said that ??

@randycarson9812

6 күн бұрын

@@pauldbeer v18 can be argued, but the meaning of v 19 cannot. Jesus is an eternal king and He established Peter and the first occupant of the perpetual office of steward.

@francesornopia4834

5 күн бұрын

@@pauldbeer Jesus does not just change name just so we can remember it? You don't think our God like that right? Its always for a very very important reason, and if so then didn't you believe that scripture alone is the only one that He left on earth, then why the need for changing name of one of his disciples just for us to remember a teaching from Him about His church you dont even believe visible, where in fact Jesus establishes there a visible church that the gates of hell wont prevail, you dont even believe that do you? Cause if you do then you must believe in the Church to remains standing for thousand year, surely God can do that something evil cant.

@doodleart7692

5 күн бұрын

​@@pauldbeer so you're just going to ignore the other verses and John 21??? You ignorant people!!!

I could be completely misremembering, but isn't there a point later in the season where they bring this up again and Jesus species that they are all the foundation of the church? Maybe that was just a KZreadr's interpretation, but I thought I remembered hearing that in one of the episodes themselves.

They present it as a point of inquiry -as a question. This is most likely a projection of our modern separation rather than the actual events. It is clear from scripture that the one speaking out (someone times for good , and other times in error) most of the time. Peter seems like Jesus' best friend, and although the apostles do squabble about who is first at some time during the Gospels, it is clear that Peter is a leader.

There is no head of the church, only Christ. There are ordained members who only with the Holy Spirit working through them can lead christs ministry here on earth. Peter was the 1st. among equals and not infallible

My thoughts are that most Christians affirm Peter was first among the apostles, Papal Supremacy & Peter being first among the Apostles aren't identical concepts at all, the Eastern Church would contend that Peter was First among the Apostles, which functioned as First Among Equals, some will point to James the Brother of Jesus seeming to have primacy over Peter in theological disagreements, others will point out that Peter was Bishop of Rome & Antioch, meaning both branches in schism have claim to the Bishopric of Saint Simon Peter, others would say that the testimony Peter gave was the Rock Jesus built his church upon, some would claim the literal rock they were standing on which was known for idols & had a place literally known as the Gates of Hell there was the rock, some say Peter was the pebble and the rock was a boulder/foundation stone...I think The Chosen intentionally left it open to every single one of those interpretations, and I personally believe we're all right about it in some weird way...of course I tend to think most serious traditional branches, especially with Apostolic Succession are right about this whole Christianity thing & wrong about it in their own special ways.

It’s kinda sad that they wanted an authentic Jesus but they didn’t get right his Mom very well. It clearly showed even in the the Nativity scene. And the grace that God gave in the Seven Sacraments. I guess this show is just a starter to a person. I hope individuals who watch this will truly seek God’s family and God himself.

It looks pretty Catholic to me.

I like the shirt. I think the show skirted the Catholic question.

They're still a bit shy about it. If they did, the apostles would recognize right away that Jesus is referencing Isaiah 22, given them being depicted with vast knowledge of the Old Testament.

they did a good job of making it vague

Rooting for Argentina this summer in the Copa too btw, would love to see Messi win it again

No denial all from Catholic understanding of the Bible... nothing else...

Yes, I do and since it’s the truth, that’s the way it should be portrayed.

The thing is, a Catholic shouldn't watch "fair to all point of views" contents... The path of religion nutrition in life is towards perfection, not towards open mindness. There are plenty of movies to recreate, but this series makes a distorsión of your spiritual images and beliefs.

What about season 2 when they say Mary had another child. “Jesus’ brother”

Technically Jesus established like many rabbis of his day, a Beit dim, it’s the closes and more knowledgeable disciples of the rabbi. Jesus had other followers like the 70 or 72. Even today rabbis do this, and the order determines hierarchy and successor to the mission of the rabbi when he’s gone. This is why Peter is always mentioned first because the order determines who will carry the mantle when the rabbi is gone. There is no dispute that Peter is the successor, we see that played out in Acts.

It is what I have been waiting for. I am joyful about it I also love the Chosen. 🎉

Catholics consider the chosen as official cannon

No, they did not

Just ask anyone who founded the Catholic church, even Siri... ; ) You get only one answer.

But also it’s giving graven images and has changed some things so i don’t think the chosen has tons of credibility

The Chosen has been Catholic from beginning it has lots of extra biblical stories

The chosen proclaimed a heresy in the latest episode by letting mary speak about her sons/plural….

@SipswithSerra

5 күн бұрын

Oh dang I didn't catch that. What a shame...

@havefaithlikeachildk3300

5 күн бұрын

I noticed also this Season 4 that they played her as not knowing anything about the coming suffering of the Messiah when she clearly knows it will happened. (Simeon’s Prophecy) They are really missing a lot.

@jamesajiduah2001

Күн бұрын

Stepsons can still call their stepmom mother.

Well, though I firmly believe that Matthew's passage definitely asserts the Primacy of Peter, I also know that there are others who feel it refers to Jesus as 'the Rock' and Peter as only a lesser rocker. Using the Greek to denote a pebble over the Aramaic that implies a boulder. Neither side of the issue should take offense as to how it was done in "The Chosen". The same, IMO, can be said of the institution of the Eucharist, or the Bread of Life narrative of Jn. 6. I'm fairly sure it will not step on anyone's toes, but will use what the Bible says.