Carl said so himself “it’s going to get handled when it’s time”. He knew how dangerous Tenpenny was and the connections he had. During San Fierro, Carl had no clue whether Woozie would back him up against a cop with his own policing unit, and their demise would draw attention. In Las Venturas, Woozie already had problems with the mob and paying officials to keep a blind eye off their casino. Besides even if CJ would seek vengeance on Tenpenny for his actions, he would need legit support and quite frankly Woozie owed him nothing by the time of Carl’s return to Los Santos because Woozie willed it so. Going after Tenpenny by this point would mean going into the Los Santos Police Station because Tenpenny was arrested to stand trial for the crimes he has committed, or more specifically was under police custody for the trial, and he was absent for about two months. By the time he was free Carl actually searched for him to enact revenge for his crimes against the city and his family and gang , but had no idea where he was and likely hoped Smoke would give him the information he needed. In the end Tenpenny caused his own downfall because he was in the wrong place in the wrong time, just as Carl planned.

You guys never run out of great ideas,do you?😂

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

We hope so 😂

@user-yh1jy1im9s

10 ай бұрын

We hope so😂

@SevGMD

3 ай бұрын

We hope so😂

@leoli6116

Ай бұрын

More like never run of of blanket words to fill the 10 minute length

@TheActualProwler

4 күн бұрын

We hope so😂

I felt like at the end of the game. CJ wanted to "clean his own mess". Basically fix the mistakes of his five years of inaction and letting his brother die. So it'd be weird if he also involved the triads, as CJ mentally wanted to solve the problems he "caused" by himself.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Mhm yeah, that's actually a good point. We don't see CJ trying to involve his friends in all this. Cesar and Kendl help him a lot, but he didn't ask them for help. The same goes for Woozie, except this one time during the "Jizzy" mission when it comes to the pictures of the members of the Loco Syndicate. Thanks for your input, man!

@SamGudGuy

Жыл бұрын

He even got in Big Smokes crack lab himself stopping Sweet from going with him

The mission name itself catalyst might be a clue,as the freight train contains weapons to support a specific organization thus giving it the name Catalyst This is my own theory,what do you think? We could also investigate the mission names,the reason why is it named like that and what possible effects the mission can cause because that might give us a clue from what we're looking for If not,ask rockstar lmfao

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Interesting idea, although we are pretty sure that mission names are just a subtle way of making a reference to what the mission is going to be about. We highly doubt that there is something top secret hidden in these titles, but thanks for the suggestion.

Because CJ knows how powerful Tenpenny is, he probably never have plotted how to eliminate him since he has CJ's contact number and home address. Not to mention, he threatened CJ if he were to interfere with his business, he would have Sweet killed. Tenpenny who is a threat to Grove Street wouldn't work for Toreno.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

We got it. So you're saying that he wasn't thinking about taking out Tenpenny because he was afraid of how influential the corrupt cop is.

@JosephPagepublic

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators yes, even if Tenpenny dies, someone else that worked for Tenpenny for years would repeat/continue everything he does

@lilil-liil-ilili5182

24 күн бұрын

Yeah, Toreno was a bigger threat to CJ than Tenpenny. I seen why many times.

@lilil-liil-ilili5182

24 күн бұрын

Rockstar messed up the final mission gta san andreas, and they messed up the main antagonist roleplay.

@JosephPagepublic

24 күн бұрын

@@lilil-liil-ilili5182 How?

fun fact. Hernandez was a inside player that attempted to bring both Polaski n Tenpenny down from the inside only Tenpenny gets the drop on Hernandez n winds up killing him accordingly.

I have a question for you. why did Ken Rosenberg return to work for Forelli Family in 1992 despite He betrayed them in 1986 with Tommy Vercetti. Did you remember a mission called Keep Your Friends Close? How he suddenly became a manager for Caligula's Palace for the Forelli Family, Leone Family and the Sindacco Family?

@luffy__chad

11 ай бұрын

Tommy probably sent him to Las venturas as I think because Ken was a drug addict or probably because he didn't want to see someone else to betray him

never thought of it

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Well, what are your thoughts on this?

Rockstar after watching your channel: Damn... did not know that there was this kind of research done to our storyline ;)

@slavicfixer8438

Жыл бұрын

Rockstar doesn't give a shit about their own community.

@SamGudGuy

Жыл бұрын

​@@slavicfixer8438 They did before

@slavicfixer8438

Жыл бұрын

@@SamGudGuy they did, but now it is what it is.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

That would be a wholesome reaction! But sadly the current Rockstar probably wouldn't care...

i've got a thought here and i think i made a short about... what is Ten Penny is secretly a Ballas but kept his record clean enough to be an officer to help is gang on the inside by keeping other gangs down for the Ballas to become the only ones

@thelonewolf70x7

8 ай бұрын

Maybe he could be an old school balla, who knows?

A simple game with accurate details in the storyline like San Andreas. Great game

CJ didn't ask for help with CRASH because likes to clean up his own messes.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, one of the viewers also brought this up. It's totally possible that CJ simply didn't want to get anyone involved in this crap.

@miguelpasamano4995

Жыл бұрын

Yes because, as you pointed out, it was too risky a job.

Unlikely that Tenpenny worked for Toreno. Tenpenny is street level and has no skills that would help Toreno. As for the Woozie part I guess Carl sees it as his problem and doesn't want to get the triad wrapped up in it. Also by the time of home in the hills, cj is already a partner of the casino so woozie would help seeing as Carl helped him with alot of his issues that he didn't have to get involved in

Ofcourse woozie and triads didn't know why cj have a problems to tenpenny so if cj ask a help for woozie,tenpenny will gonna need a new plan since tenpenny is also have a plans in all times so CJ didn't ask a question to triads and to woozie because triads and woozie don't care just my opinion

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Gotcha, bro! Just please try to include some punctuation marks in your sentences next time, it will be easier to read. Thanks!

@russelsantilla7381

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators sorry bro my bad grammar

Pigs are low down in law enforcement and corrupt as hell

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, sadly some of them are.

Thanks for taking my suggestion playa

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

No problemo, man! It's our pleasure.

4:02 Bird flying through building.

Great channel. I never realised how intricate this game's writing was. Good stuff.

This video was awesome! In-depth analysis was up to the mark. Topic for next video - History of Tommy Vercetti in Liberty City.

Plus also something I didn't think about what Toreno talked about Sweet with CJ at the Ranch. He does mention that Tenpenny and Eddy were smaller evils in that scale of good and evil and whatnot what have you. Tenpenny was a pawn if indeed Toreno was working as a overarching boss over the two antagonists.

CJ could have asked Woozie for help but could not since Woozie is not familiar with the situation in Los Santos and he did not want to risk his life for no real benefit But this did more good to him as he got 1/3rd of four dragons casino shares As for Toreno why will he use Local state police officers for his international pursuit??

@hofnarrtheclown

Жыл бұрын

Woozie Would Risk His Life If Cj Had Wanted Them To Take Out Tenpenny And Pulaski And Possibly Leaving Jimmy Hernandez Alive And No Tenpenny And His Crew Weren't Working With Toreno

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Huh, that's something new. We don't know what to think about this "not knowing the situation in Los Santos" to be honest. When we do understand getting benefits and all, we are not sure whether knowing the situation in Los Santos would make Woozie help CJ with Tenpenny, at least not at the San Fierro stage of the game. Speaking of Mike Toreno, we actually think that CJ wasn't the only puppet in Toreno's game. The guy has so many connections and influence he could have many people in his grasp. Unfortunately, we don't know everything that Toreno planned to do here in San Andreas...

10:53 Ain't No Way You Use Same Clothes And Haircut As Me 😂

Asking for Triad help to get Sweet out of prison may have been a better idea. He would have made a good temporary associate for Woozie, and CJ would have had more freedom too. The hood can be reconquered and Tenpenny can be killed later.

@hofnarrtheclown

Жыл бұрын

Before Cj Started Working For Jizzy The Traids And Woozie Had Already Called Sweet That They Were Friends But They Seemingly Didn't Plan Anything On Breaking Sweet Out Of Prison So It Probably Wasn't A Good Idea

@frieza1143

Ай бұрын

you think the traid can fight off the entire LSPD and also tenpenny have many Contacts with many people, so the moment the traid enter los santos tenpenny could very well know about it or get tip about the situation, and easy as that he either goona send swat or gang to take care about the case for him

Bro I wish rockstar made more 3d storyline

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

That would be awesome!

Interesting still have content so many yrs later

i want you guys to make topic about jizzy and his zombie plans if you go to his buidlding there are indicators of it what he was planning

Love these videos

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that, my friend! More amazing episodes coming soon.

actually, tenpenny worked for mike indirectly (very indirectly) when he releases the drugs in los santos, buying them through the loco syndicate

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

So you think that Tenpenny was actually working on behalf of Mike Toreno, but he didn't know about his existence? Fair enough, although we have a strange feeling that this might be a bit implausible...

@saulera1_

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators in this way, since tenpenny work with big smoke, BS works with the loco syndicate, maybe tenpenny and smoke don't know him, but they know he exists, maybe not with that name and not knowing he's fbi

@sambo416

Жыл бұрын

​@@gaminginvestigators big smoke literally does drug deals with him indirextly v.i.a ryder

I mean CJ could prove he didn’t shoot the officer, no gunshot residue on him, his fingerprints ain’t on the firearm, and the fact the airport has record of him leaving the terminal literally 10 minutes ago. Not sure how popular CCTV was in 94 but it’s possible that the airport had some kinda surveillance to also prove CJ just left the airport

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, you have a valid point right there. Just like the user Miguel said, there were no fingerprints of CJ on the gun, he left the airport literally 10 minutes ago or so. You know, the more we think about it, it feels like CRASH would have a hard time trying to frame CJ for this murder... Does this mean CJ had nothing to worry about then?

@sambo416

Жыл бұрын

​@@gaminginvestigators they made him touch the murder weapon in the first cutscene remember " that aint my gun". They had him

My personal theory...... CJ just think didn't about it. I think that CJ despite being an already accomplished gangster with lots of connections, CJ still had a deep-rooted fear of Tenpenny. He thinks of him as someone who is untouchable. And, can you blame him? Before the beginning of the storyline CJ was just a petty criminal in Liberty City and before that when he was just a teenager living in Los Santos with his family, Tenpenny had a vice-grip on all the gangs of Los Santos, including grove street. So even after getting older he still has the thought process of "Tenpenny is untouchable and if I disobey him, he will harm me, my friends and my family, even though that fear is unfounded as Toreno made sure that Sweet could not be harmed in any way. So, in conclusion CJ's past experiences with Tenpenny affected his judgement on wether to follow him or disobey and try to take him down.

@hofnarrtheclown

Жыл бұрын

Cj Didn't Really Fear Tenpenny Since He Always Calls Him Names All The Time But Just Because Toreno Said Sweet Was In Control From Getting Any Harm Tenpenny Would Still Plan Out Something To Get Rid Of Sweet If Cj Failed One Of Thier Problems With The Law

@gronazz2028

Жыл бұрын

I agree kinda but like CJ said in mission King in Exile: "Its going to get handled, when its time." CJ didn't fear Tenpenny but he knew, that at that time Tenpenny was way too powerful so he made moves to make Big Smoke's and Tenpenny's empire fall enough to strike

@hofnarrtheclown

Жыл бұрын

@@gronazz2028Big Smoke's Empire Didn't Fall That Much Also Big Smoke Betrayed Tenpenny

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a really valid point! The fear in CJ's mind regarding Tenpenny could definitely be one of the factors that made him not think about asking Woozie for help. Tenpenny has always had the upper hand so this might be a big demotivation for CJ. Excellent analysis, my man!

@theconspiracytheorists2719

Жыл бұрын

@@gaminginvestigators Thanks man, I appreciate it! And I would just like to say that you guys are really cool for responding to a lot of the comments on your videos and that I can tell that you're really passionate in making content. I hope that your channel grows more and more!

Maybe Toreno wanted the freight train interrupted for the same reason that he made Carl blow up that cargo plane full of landmines later in the game. And for CRASH they were killing two birds with one stone by doing this job for the leader of the syndicate and also making the gangs kill each other.

Here's another idea, could cj have tried to talk to hernandez (or vice verca) in secrecy since hernandez didn't like the other two

@lautheimpaler4686

Жыл бұрын

CJ didn't like Hernandez either.

One thing I wanna know is if CJ is working for Toreno and furthering his interests why didn't Toreno get involved to help get rid of Tenpenny as he was directly interfering with Mike's business. Why did the two never cross paths and was Toreno aware of what Tenpenny was doing?

What I never got is that CJ single handedly takes down a military base and also the other base where the winch chopper is yet numerous times he approaches tenpenny and pulaski where he could've just killed them from a distance lol. Like when they were grilling and they didn't see Carl until he was all the way in the yard. So CJ can straight wreck military equiped with M4s but can't take out two pigs with only pistols? That always bothered me. Also when CJ betrays Salvatore by robbing Caligula's casino Salvatore knew it was him and said his whole family would die. So CJ will betray and not even kill a legit Don but won't even consider going after tenpenny? Weird.

@luffy__chad

11 ай бұрын

The police officers will know what will happen and they will probably not free sweet

Has anyone who played gta San Andreas ever noticed that when Tenpenny is talking to CJ there a sign behind Tenpenny that reads STD? Cause I just noticed it in this video.

i also think tenpenny would not have liked toreno 's bossiness towards him (if tenpenny worked under toreno)😆

TenPenny was not on Toreno's payroll. TenPenny's interests were detrimental to Toreno.

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

So we assume everything was clear enough, right?

@miguelpasamano4995

Жыл бұрын

Yes. If TenPenny was working for Toreno, Toreno would've given TenPenny orders to not harass let alone try to kill CJ

My wishlist for upcoming GTA games 1. Return to San Fierro,Las Venturas and Liberty city. 2. I know that this is very unlikely but prequel and sequel to GTA's 3D universe. 3. New City 4.Have strong wind effect your aim 5. GTA 5 like game in Las Venturas 6. GTA game about the protagonist embarks on a quest for revenge. 7. New country 8. Return to gang story

My question is: was the reporter assassination mission led by Tempeny his best opportunity to screw Tempeny? CJ could simple say that he killed the reporter (saying for him to lay low) and let the evidence find his way to feds, I doubt that he would have time to do anything by the time that he was accused, or else he would leave a trail.

@sambo416

Жыл бұрын

Trials are lengthy he would find out he alive and kill sweet in jail

What if ryders job was to get cj arrested because his mission are all about stealing 🤔

Nice

It's gta San Andreas and max Payne 1 and 2 has this lasting power

5:25 what mission is this? I've never passed it!

Maybe Tarino isn't crupt like Frank so that's why the never worked together so Mike can probably get Frank killed in the end

Were the gta 3 triads controlled by wuzi

🤍💜💜💜🤍

Why CJ coudn't kill Wozie in the gta (the main story

@gaminginvestigators

Жыл бұрын

He was his friend so there's no point in killing him.

It Is an interesting paradox but I dont really think It floats...

What overthinking looks like😂😂😂

Like number 912

I don't understand why CJ bothered to work for Tenpenny after working for Toreno

I don't think Tenpenny is working for Toreno because Tenpenny is just manipulating gang violence into his favor while Toreno is mostly about off-the books gov't operations as well as fighting against rival gov't agents, and of course, if Tenpenny and Pulaski kill CJ, they'll incur Toreno's wrath because he has very outstanding feats and he's been very useful to him. I don't think Tenpenny and Pulaski can fly Hydra.

Waaay better than that guy "LOS"😂😂😂

I have another serious question ❓ Why did Catalina break up with cj ??

How come you guys dont have polish accents? do you use an AI to do these videos?

❤❤❤❤ HD video jabardasti ki video Bada jabardast aur bahut

I think Tenpenny went rogue when he was working for torrino and that's why he disliked Tenpenny... But there could be more to this than meets the eye....🤔🤔🤔🤔

@hofnarrtheclown

Жыл бұрын

No They Already Confirmed That Tenpenny Wasn't Working For Toreno

@Carfan11112

Жыл бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown Yeah they did..... Just had a thought....

@hofnarrtheclown

Жыл бұрын

@@Carfan11112 Well Think Real Good Before You Comment Something

@Carfan11112

Жыл бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown Well..... The comment did not hurt anyone did it?

@Carfan11112

Жыл бұрын

@@hofnarrtheclown so chill

Tenpenny is worse and Toreno is mysterious

Sorry I'm 2 weeks late to the party, everyone. In my belief, rhis entire just seems to twist the real-life story of raoper 2Pac Shakur and his music manager Suge Knight ever so slightly. I think Toreno may possibly be based off Kevin Hackie, a real-life government spy for the FBI who'd gone undercover as one of 2Pac's main bodyguards, presumably so the government could keep inner circle tabs on Suge Knight and his Death Row Records label, as I think the government had caught wind of off duty corrupt police officers working for Death Row records whilst violating the law in serious, serious ways. There are many, many signs that the exploits of Suge Knight along with the rest of Death Row records served as one of the numerous major inspiring events to have transpired in real life. There's the fact that: • CJ, a signifcant member of a local gang, ends up working for Madd Dogg as a records label manager (in the exact same fashion of Suge), with the character of rapper Madd Dogg being a pun on Snoop Dog (a real-life rapper who'd been assigned to Suge's Death Row Records company in the 90's) • In the mission "Photo Opportunity", CJ and Caesar snap photos Jizzy B. and his suspected cohorts as they spy on them from afar. It's revealed in Nick Broomfield's real-life documentary, titled "Biggie & Pac", that the government had apparently been spying on rapper Notorious B.I.G. as well, as can be confirmed in a scene where director Nick Broomfield sits down with Biggie's mother Voletta Wallace along with former Biggie Smalls co-rapper Lil' Cease as they examine a photo of the Notorious B.I.G. taken from afar by a government agent. The entire situation at Death Row Records over in California was tightly woven with the affairs of the Notorious B.I.G. over in New York at the time • Suge Knight and his corrupt police officers also seemed to be heavily involved in the drug trade at the time, including the real-life 90's cocaine epidemic, mirroring the in-game fanaticism of cocaine that CJ adamantly battles to keep off his gang's block - Consequently, these facts lead me to believe that Toreno was assigned by higher-ups in the government to spy on the activities of CJ in an attempt to keep tabs on their center target - Tenpenny and the rest of the corrupt C.R.A.S.H officers (another point, the real-life corrupt police officers working at Death Row were themselves members of Los Angeles county's real-life C.R.A.S.H. unit).

I just want to to say you do a great job giving us GTA San Andreas Lore. I'm a guy that like story break downs. You really give us the full Monty. Great job my friend ! I would like to see a "Mafia" lore video. How "Tommy Angelo", " Vito Scaletta" & "Lincoln Clay" all connected ..,,. 🔥🍸🧊🔥🧊🍸🧊