do YOU think the Messiah was a Nephilim? 7:42

@alexkuntmm7201

Ай бұрын

yes

@jobulletchief8936

Ай бұрын

Maybe.

@godlyreputation8802

Ай бұрын

Yes

@noahdean9685

Ай бұрын

You mean Jesus Christ? It would make sense.

@Vetovextion

Ай бұрын

Perhaps

I still can't get over the fact that he became the mvp of this show, stole a kiss from the girl, he sacrificed himself for his friends and got redeemed as the first sinner into heaven. From a one-off joke character to that. I love Sir Pentious! ❤

@globbyakaweirdjellyguy954

Ай бұрын

I love him too and he certainly deserves redemption!🥰🩷🩷🩷

@annlouiserainey4888

Ай бұрын

I have respect for him being not only funny at times, but has feelings to share and a sense of doing something honorable as sacrificing himself to save his friends and the potential groups to seek redemption. I want to point out that if God is in this show (maybe later on in the seasons), saw everything without anyone noticing, saw Sir Pentious’s sacrifice and gave him that chance into Heaven. And right in front of Sera and Emily, but passing Heaven’s Gate.

@Terastas

Ай бұрын

Yup. Everyone was so hung up on Angel Dust -- whether or not he'd get redeemed, and whether or not he'd survive the extermination -- that we all missed that Sir Pentious was going through his complete character arc on the side.

@mackenzieray5252

Ай бұрын

If only more characters like him were given similar treatment. (Example: Waluigi, doctor doof, and other gentleman criminals aka mustache twirlers...)

@mackenzieray5252

Ай бұрын

(Continued)...Though I guess there are some like Gru and Megamind. Though they come from shows purely focused on them. So I kinda feel like that disqualifies them via plot armor.

What if Charlie didn't change the rules, but actually retrieved an old rule that the angles miss read. The idea of redemption was always here, they just simply forgot about it.....or maybe....."someone" is hiding the old rules.

@TotallyNotIceOwl

Ай бұрын

But hey that's just a theory. A conspiracy theory.

@sherryelder9511

Ай бұрын

But the only one that could do that is God himself or Michael who neither we have seen in the show.

@amuzer

Ай бұрын

Could be possible that someone is hiding that rule on purpose. Sera is a pretty sus character when she appeared because she wasn't so keen on the idea of letting redeemed sinners into heaven. And when Sir Pentious arrived to heaven, she had this "oh, no…" look and wasn't excited like Emily. I think the old order of angels (back from Lucifer's time) are behind this and they have Sera ensure that the current generation of angels and demons remain ignorant of this fact in order to retain their "balance" of law and order

@joallanobrien374

25 күн бұрын

​@@MeIsSmogeeI'd like to argue with that because God had 3 other sons he favorited too. Wasn't just Micheal. Lucifer was one of them and with being sent to Hell and all that. I can understand perfectly well if Lucifer forgot the main rule on getting into Heaven. And then everything with Lillith, yeah, wouldn't surprise me.

We do know that god exists in the Hellaverse. When the cherubs accidentally kill the old man in early Helluva Boss Collin gets reprimanded for using the Lord's name in vain when he says "oh my god".

@the_gay_bandit

Ай бұрын

They could’ve picked up those speech habits from winners tho, plus, the Cherubs are heavnborn (seemingly)

@DanaTheDarknessDragonQueen

Ай бұрын

Great theory

@maxmachac9756

Ай бұрын

Just because a nun scolds me over saying "oh my god" doesnt mean he exists... smh

@andreeacat7071

Ай бұрын

@@maxmachac9756 yeah but these people are cherubs and live in heaven: if the big G man exists there they would know and such

@maxmachac9756

Ай бұрын

@@andreeacat7071 i mean it would make sense if he did exist, however if you look at all the terrible things the "angels" have been getting away with, he is just as likely to not exist

We also have to consider that the one who watches might also be judging if the sinners can be redeemed by performing sacrificial heroism that are the moral opposite of their original sin Pentious (who was a distrustful cowardly mad genius using his creations for war) suddenly jumped in without hesitation to use his genius and war machines to protect what he loves instead. Thus the polar opposite of what was likely his original sin

@orianefaton1885

Ай бұрын

And thus, redeeming said original sin in the process. It is another possibility, yeah.

@caiusdrakegaming8087

Ай бұрын

@@orianefaton1885 What would Anthony's be then? Drug abuse? Far as I can tell that's not something you can just do the reverse of.

@orianefaton1885

Ай бұрын

@@caiusdrakegaming8087 Neither would something like murder or cannibalism, since those are sins Alastor did (then again, he isn’t the one trying to get to heaven)

@NightoftheLivingcookies10

Ай бұрын

From context clues I believe Angel's "redemption" will heavily involve a combination him rejecting his vices AND breaking away from Valentino. This is also gonna involve his growing feelings for Husk (which they have pretty much all but hinted at IS going to happen) The way I see it, Angel will start turning away from his vices to pursue genuine feelings for Husk (trading debauchery for real love). But we all know Valentino will be FURIOUS and won't hesitate to destroy everything and everyone Angel holds dear to break him for daring to oppose him. This could also involve drama with Angel's family who we'll definitely be seeing soon. I think it'll all culminate in Angel performing the ultimate sacrifice against Val (possibly by poison if the song was actually foreshadowing) to save everyone he loves, his birth family, his hotel family, and his true love Husk which will unlock his redemption

@caiusdrakegaming8087

Ай бұрын

@@NightoftheLivingcookies10 I mean I think it's safe to assume his soul contract would have to be broken regardless for him to get to Heaven. But at the same time Val hasn't really been shown to be smart enough to use a subtle way of killing like that. He's... well to put it bluntly he's an egotistical ass who doesn't think his actions through when pissed off. This IS the same Valentino who thought it'd be a smart idea to just walk into the hotel, which was under Alastor's protection, and shoot everyone just because Angel chose to not live at the studio anymore and would have done exactly that if Vox hadn't talked him down. As for Angel's dad and brother, yeah I'll admit they'll have to show up at some point for Angel to work through that bit. Not sure if he's actually got feelings for Husk though, it seems more like the two act like best buds more than anything. Angel is by default flirty, so we can't really take how he acts with Husk in general too seriously.

Has it ever been considered that Adam accidentally created a standard for redemption when he wrote it down. Up to this point heaven had no clue what got people into heaven outside being good but when Adam the first man wrote it down it became a dogma, a standard or principle to get in from hell

@pancakes8670

Ай бұрын

That would be funny af

@torazely

Ай бұрын

Makes sense. Pen did fulfill his list, especially the "act selfless" and "stick it to the man" portions during the final battle.

I believe that Pen ascend the very moment just before Adam supposedly vaporized him, willing to risk his “life” to save his loved ones was what sealed his redemption

@RoxasOnSummerVacation

Ай бұрын

I actually believe that his body was destroyed beyond healing so he was forced to go through divine judgement again.

@LullabyOfWoe13

Ай бұрын

@@RoxasOnSummerVacation I like your idea! It would make sense too.

@user-bl9ov8qp5x

Ай бұрын

I think because he was killed by holy light, he went to heavan. Holy Light likely kills demons because they are filled with hellish energy and are usually horrible people, however because he proved he could be redeemed the holy energy ended up sending him to heaven because he was filled with holy energy while being a good person before death.

@RoxasOnSummerVacation

Ай бұрын

@@user-bl9ov8qp5x Not likely. If the angels' powers could kill demons they wouldn't need to use angelic weapons, especially if they can shoot giant beams big enough to destroy buildings like Adam did. Adam alone could kill all of the Pride Ring in a day with that power if it actually erased souls like angelic weapons

@dansei3355

Ай бұрын

When he died his soul wasn’t destroyed because he wasn’t killed by angelic steel, Adam was tho. So he’s definitely dead

Charlie as Jesus is an interesting idea. I hadn't thought of that. I also hadn't thought of how surely Sir Pentious couldn't have been the first person to ever defend a loved one in the face of death and yet none of them had been redeemed. Either that's a plot hole or maybe there's a reason Sir Pentious is the first.

@JakeyzPlayz

Ай бұрын

Maybe because he had done it while also visibly trying to get into heaven via the hotel

@suicune2001

Ай бұрын

@@JakeyzPlayz Which would mirror Christianity's take. Even good people go to hell unless you get to heaven through Jesus. So that does seem possible.

@annlouiserainey4888

Ай бұрын

I do see this concept of her seeing the Sinners given the chance to change themselves to seek redemption.

@poisonpenfairy2844

Ай бұрын

It's also possible that any other sinner that died defending people was then killed by angelic steal, which can perma-kill winners and sinners alike. So sir Pentious could have been the first to sacrifice themselves in a way that would cause a total re-manifestation during a heroic act without angelic steel being used

@suicune2001

Ай бұрын

@@poisonpenfairy2844 But he was vaporized with light. Would that be the same?

The fact that someone as good as Charlie is stuck in hell because of who her father is without her own actions to be blamed is already a problem because it makes the reasons of who deserves to be in hell or heaven not wright

@tobsonasanya4765

Ай бұрын

I mean she was born there lol

@caiusdrakegaming8087

Ай бұрын

@@tobsonasanya4765 People really forget Pride doesn't just have Sinners but Hellborn too. Hellborn are those naturally from Hell which Charlie would count as.

@Chokah

Ай бұрын

The fact that Adam was in Heaven while everyone else that acted like him seemed to end up in Hell showed that anyway.

@caiusdrakegaming8087

Ай бұрын

@@Chokah And he still got up there AFTER Lucifer's fall, so the rules make even less sense on what's supposed to get you to Heaven.

@niggakingdj2fresh

Ай бұрын

She’s not stuck in hell tho she just needs someone to take her to heaven

I believe that Sir Pentious' body was destroyed beyond repair and so he under went divine judgement again so he could get a new body but this time he was judged worthy of Heaven.

I love that it’s a frickin *snake* that was redeemed because it was a serpent that tempted Eve in the version of “Adam and Eve” a lot of us know of.

Sir Pentious is probably a celebrity up there

@cozymosss

Ай бұрын

Or completely and utterly despised

@eeveefennecfox

Ай бұрын

@@cozymosss sad but true and highly possible going to happen

@HeilRay

Ай бұрын

Seeing how Cherubs treated hellborne and the concept of 'sinners' and 'winners', he has to have critics.

@theyaden

Ай бұрын

@@HeilRay Then again him coming back with a halo would imply God intervened in his case so they might be reluctant to get after him and earn divine annoyance.

@Tametable

Ай бұрын

@@theyadend i v i n e a n n o y e n c e

Considering Sir Pentious arrived in Heaven with a halo but no wings, somehow earning his Angelic Wings will probably prove to all that his redemption is genuine. Since Emily seems convinced already it’s Sera and perhaps the other Heavenly Elders that Pentious will be spending time with, passing whatever tests/trials they throw at him.

Pretty sure the reason Sir Pentious was the first to get redeem was bc previous sinners probably die by angelic steel weapons, so even if they qualified to go to heaven, their soul just was destroy before any reincarnation was possible. In Pentiou's case, he was kill by a laser from Adam, no by contact with the angelic steel. That's probably why Adam in previous exterminations can't just fly around and blast city blocks worth of sinners to speed up the process.

@orianefaton1885

Ай бұрын

Yeah, there is nothing that said it would perma kill him... Nothing said it didn't either, and sure, everyone had very heavy reaction, but it just means they thouht there was a valid chance he died for good there.

@Lucky_RFMDA

Ай бұрын

@@orianefaton1885 That's probably why outside of the exterminations, any sinner that sacrifice themselves to save fellow sinners from being "kill" by others in hell (by other sinners or hellborns) didn't trigger the redemption, as subconsciously they knew they would just remanifest.

@snakesareamazing

Ай бұрын

I mean, angelic steel is most likely just regular steel infused with very strong angelic powers. And considering that Adam is the leader of the exterminations and that he is also the one who came up with the idea in the first place, it wouldn't suprise me if he uses his power to create angelic steel

@tobsonasanya4765

Ай бұрын

​Angelic lasers will obviously have the same effect as angelic steel​@@Lucky_RFMDA

@caiusdrakegaming8087

Ай бұрын

@@snakesareamazing We kind of do need an origin of angelic steel because something tells me the first Winner, aka Adam, would not be strong enough to create energy capable of erasing another's soul. It'd have to be a very high-ranking angel like a seraphim or archangel(yes I'm counting them as high ranking angels because in Christianity Lucifer raised a whole army that apparently was pretty strong and I don't think many other high rank angels would listen to or even follow him if he wasn't a superior rank from them)

After watching this video, have anyone felt like Heaven has lost its way? You know, like how the Jedi Order became dogmatic and arrogant during the last few hundred years of the Republic and it took Order 66 and the rise of the Empire to make them realized that.

@goldentriforce29

Ай бұрын

Agree. The fact that no one knows what qualifies one to get into heaven is an example, and keeping the winners in the dark is immoral.

I still think it's Adam who was in charge of what the rules were supposed to be. When he wrote those three rules down in the trial, they became the actual Heaven sanctioned rules. Before that time, it was pretty much whatever Adam thought was supposed to be without anything written down.

based on his uniform, I assume sir pentious was in the French military. if he died in combat, it would have been in the mandingo wars. which was the only war the French were fighting at the time of 1888 when he died

@IanPendleton-gh6ox

Ай бұрын

Interesting theory, but wasn't it confirmed somewhere that he was English? I think the main theory for his death in the fandom is that he was killed by one of his own inventions.

@SurnaturalM

Ай бұрын

He spoke about "saving the kingdom " or something along those lines, so he would have been British. 1888 was the year Jack the ripper was active.

@IanPendleton-gh6ox

Ай бұрын

@@SurnaturalM While it would be fascinating to see him referencing the Ripper's activities, I don't see him being a victim of the Ripper since 1: Vivzie confirmed a while ago that no historical individuals will be explicitly mentioned, and 2: the Ripper specifically targeted young women, while Sir Pentious from what I remember would've been in his late 40s at the time he died.

I think that Sera and her other Seraphims and Oraphims will lock Sir Pentious into a hidden place far from Heaven (Limbo). She sees him still as a sinner and doesn’t want that every heaven citizens know about it (with Lute’s help).

@0valeyes

Ай бұрын

Well if you ask me she could try to make his day a grass ain't always greener situation.

Like many others, I theorize that Sera will do everything in her power to make sure that no one in Heaven or Hell finds out Charlie's hotel works. Because as far as Sera is concerned Charlie is messing with the natural order of things when it comes to sinners being in hell and the innocent being in heaven. So Sera will probably lock Sir Pentious in a cell, I wouldn't put it past her.

@the-nina-beans88

Ай бұрын

I can see that happen

@snakesareamazing

Ай бұрын

Who knows. She doesn't hate Sinners like Adam and Lute do, she just thinks that the exterminations are necessary to protect heaven. But it seems like she feels a bit guilty about the whole thing, considering how sad she looks during "You didn't know". She might double down on her beliefs tho after she finds out that Charlie and her friends killed a bunch of angels, including the first man

@caiusdrakegaming8087

Ай бұрын

@@snakesareamazing I mean depends on if she knew Adam moved the next Extermination up six months and that the hotel was the first target. And if she'd care that Charlie, a Hellborn and daughter of Lucifer, was also meant to be a target along with the Sinners in the hotel. A lot of people say there was a deal that only Sinners would die in the Exterminations and not Hellborn, so she wouldn't be able to defend herself since she let Adam attack the Princess of Hell pretty much unprovoked.

I'd say Adam being killed cleared the way and meant sinners who were worthy could ascend. No sinners seemed to have got into heaven when he was a factor, but some ten minutes after his death, Sir Pentious was given entry. That to me doesn't seem like a coincidence.

I don’t think Sera was the one to send Lucifer away from Heaven. I think she just observed it happening hence her fear of Emily falling as well

I’m still partial to the reason Sir Pentious got redeemed was because he committed a truly selfless act for the ones who loved, but I like the thought of the rules changing thanks to Charlie being the one to vouch for Sinners and getting the essence of good to change the criteria for getting into Heaven too.😊 It’s be interesting if that bird-like mural behind Charlie was watching the whole scene unfold and not just using Sera to watch.🤔 It also would be nice to know this essence may have noticed Sir Pentious at the club during the court proceedings and decided to keep an eye on him because they saw his potential to be redeemed despite Angel Dust being the focus.🤔

Now I am thinking it might have been Adam might have "changed" the rules when he wrote them down. Did not work Angel cause his soul is currently trapped.

Sir Pentious has been through so much! He went through a joke character and then he got some character development and he even got a kiss from Cherri Bomb before sacrificing himself and he actually got redeemed into Heaven! Also I'm started to wonder about Sera's eyes on her hair and her halo, is she really watching Sir Pentious? Or maybe Sir Pentious might convince Sera to change the rules in Heaven or something.🤩🤔

I personally think that whatever entity is God in the Hella-verse used to have a rather black and white view on behavior and yadi yadi yada, but when it saw Charlie Morningstar, the daughter of Lucifer, AKA the very last person God would suspect would argue for redemption, shows that the black and white viewpoint it had before is doing a lot more harm than good, God did some self-reflection and realized that the system it made is beyond broken and decides to change it. So, in a half-joking manner of putting it, the Hella-verse God is pulling a Khosrau Anushirawan right now, and hopefully it will stick.

Haven't finished video, but a thought occurred while talking about sinners dying and protecting others. There's no confirmation that this has never happened before Pentious. This is simply the first time the angels have seen the sinner's face before going to heaven. So there's a chance this *has* happened prior, but the angels just wouldn't be aware since they don't know who the sinners were. Just my own thought. :) Edit: Even if I'm correct, Charlie is def making a change. Rules are meant to change over time. Interesting theory.

I have a theory that what they're doing while they die is actually what helps decide their fates in the afterlife.

@eeveefennecfox

Ай бұрын

I've been thinking the samething lately

@kananitakeshi3249

Ай бұрын

@@eeveefennecfox right? It makes sense because NO ONE knows what gets you into heaven and yet when Pentious dies again, he's sent to heaven after self sacrificing even though his fate should've been nonexistence since he was a sinner based off what we know

I mean without “sins” for humans to commit I feel like no matter what they’d end up in heaven until lucifer, lilith and technically eve created hell which now if you sin you go to hell and if you don’t sin you’ll end up in heaven (my stupid recommended words REALLY had heaven instead of hell for sinning and when I said about where you’d go if you DIDN’T sin it REALLY freaking had hell, if that doesn’t prove Apple’s incompetence I don’t know what does)

i dont know but i think considering emilies parting words to charlie that she will find a way to help and her shocked excitment at seeing pentious in heaven hint that maybe his rebirth there... worked... maybe she's responcible for it we know seraphs can see into anywhere in hell at will, maybe when he died she was watching and used her power to bring him up since he had just shown he was the ideal candidate to champion the cuase of showing sinners can be redeemed... lot of ifs there but its possible... i like forward to whatever viv an dher crew have written.

Lucifer has those eyes too. Wouldn't make sense that Good could see through his eyes to given that she created him as well? I read recently that in Testament of Abraham, Abel is the Judge of the Souls. That could explain why Adam was the first human to make to Heaven. Either way, the six shown scolding Lucifer are the same six that brought him to heel as they have the same halos. They also seem to be absent in the current setting as none of them where present during Charlie's hearing. Maybe one of them is responsible for bringing Sir Pentious to Heaven or at lest placing him in front of Sera and Emily as that seemed to be an intentional move by someone.

I think Sera and Emily's true form just shows up whenever they're mad

@eeveefennecfox

Ай бұрын

just like when the demons are mad they go into their full demon forms

To this day sir pentious is still searching for his egg bois beyond heaven

Sir Pentious is just a sweet boy... Its not really a surprise to us that he was going to heaven because throughout the episodes he was always so kind to everyone. He can't even lie to save his own skin😂

I like the idea that the rules of Heaven have never really changed, but their limits have yet to be fully explored. Even angels don’t know something until they do. It takes a lot of time and testing to gain knowledge. Even they learn as they go. I mean, if they knew everything from the start, they would have made no mistakes.

It's also possible that any other sinner that died defending people was, unlike sir Pentious who was disintegrated by adams light, killed by angelic steal, which can perma-kill winners and sinners alike. So sir Pentious could have been the first to sacrifice themselves in a way that would cause a total re-manifestation during a heroic act without angelic steel being used that would end him permanently

At 4:55 you say that good is the closest thing to god in the hellaverse, but in Helluva boss season 1 episode 4 the cherubs say amongst themselves not to say the lords name in vain, implying that there is a god, its just we haven't seen him yet

I really wanna know how Sir Pentious got in to mythologies.

Sir Pen did do some good things before Adam wiped him, but didn't he still do other messed up things while inside of hell? He bought angelic weapons and took place in territorial combat, so he totally had to have killed a few sinners. He might've even owned souls or done a lot of other terrible things. There had to be other more innocent sinners who maybe tried to become better, but Sir Pen being the FIRST EVER in hell history? I know Hazbin has lots of plot holes, but that's still hard to believe.

Really hope the eyes mean something. Using Sera as the heaven’s elder angels eyes or maybe linked to God

@juliaboskamp9666

Ай бұрын

They probably are like the angels form when they are angry like Charlie did a few times

Ahh yes, more Bible/ religion lore, Deepcut/Impcut should at this point get a degree in Theology or Mythology if he doesn't have a master's alredy.

This is a very evidence-less loose theory, but what if Sera had something to do with the redemption of Sir Precious, and her face at the end of Season 1, while being horrified at the centuries of extermination, there was also a little bit of "oh my goodness it actually worked" [in the sense that if she somehow knew of and helped sir pentious, she'd tried to redeem him as well and is suprised to see him appear with them]

Now I know it's hard for humans to get into heaven especially when they seek redemption for their mistakes and sins, but I don't think hell should overpopulated with so many people.

@racheldereje3592

Ай бұрын

Siguiente vídeo, ¿Qué es Lilith exactamente? Es la primera mujer en la mitología precristiana, pero no parece preocupada por el infierno de la misma manera que lo están los pecadores. Quizás porque no ella sufrió las consecuencias como Adán y Eva, pero Charlie nunca antes había visto a un humano. Esto me hace preguntarme: ¿Lilith se reencarnó como una pecadora o descendió al infierno junto con la serpiente que trajo?

It'll be an awesome change to the status quo of Heaven

I like the idea that Adam inadvertently created the rules for redemption when he gave the reasons why he believed he was in heaven. It would be poetically ironic, Adam giving rise to the criteria for redemption, the very thing he died trying to prevent

What also helps with your theory is the fact that sir penchis appears in front of Sara and Emily

Wouldn't it be wild if emmy ends up being the bad angel "if you can be redeemed then the exterminations are okay because now you have a chance" vs sera coming to believe its bad because it reduces the opportunity to do so.

Thing I noticed that probably is meaningless. He died in the fight, but didn't rematerialize until his funeral service was carried out. Some kind of "You need some kind of formal recognition in death" rule perhaps

I wonder if another factor to Sir Pentious getting redeemed is due to the fact he likely didn’t have any regrets when he died in Hell. He knew he was going to die and by kissing Cherry he was fully content with dying. Whereas I imagine other sinners have tons of regrets when dying, thus couldn’t move on.

Sir Pentious is like famous up there or something now😭

i feel like the reason Sir Pentious is the first sinner to redeem himself and get sent to heaven after dying is because him and Charlie had that whole song about how true redemption starts with sorry and admitting to being at fault, and THEN continuing the path of redemption by protecting loved ones

Since you mentioned the nephelime I believe that not all of them were evil,I believe that some were like me...they just wanted to be left alone.

That’s a pretty interesting theory, even if it doens’t end up being true

I personally wonder what happens to those who descended from eve and whether or not if she is roo.I doubt that the Evil deity won't just stand idly by seeing sinners seemingly disappear altogether.

He wasn't too bad in the first place, I think he was a good guy all along.

I keep wondering if Adam will respawn in hell as a kind of counterpart to Sir Pentious appearing in heaven 🧐

@embermoto

Ай бұрын

I both love and hate this idea at the same time. this would be neat to see but I also want Adam to just be dead and not come back.

The thing is that, by Sera's own admission, she doesn't even know what the rules are -- what precisely it is that decides whether or not someone goes to Heaven or Hell. All she knows is that there IS a factor. So personally, I think her stance is more of the "hands off" variety. She doesn't know what the criteria is, but she knows there is one, and whoever is in charge of it seems to have done a good job so far, ergo she is very reluctant to say or do anything to possibly rule against it. But whatever determines it is certainly a CONSCIOUS force, enough that it made sure Sir Pentious didn't just go to Heaven, he completely bypassed the Pearly Gates and rose right in front of Sera and Emily in their dining room. Personally, if there is any one thing in the world I believe I can have faith in, it's continuity: That everything that ever was and ever will be has always existed and will continue to exist in one form or another. So I don't believe for one minute that all of the millions of souls that have been purged after countless exterminations are gone forever. At best, everything that made them what they were has been dispersed and will never again be together in that exact same state. But you know what? It wouldn't surprise me if some of those purged sinners actually DID reform in Heaven. But for one reason or another (maybe they didn't remember Hell, or maybe they just kept quiet about having previously been in Hell), they were indistinguishable from those who went from Earth to Heaven directly and just passed through the Gates like anyone else. It was only Sir Pentious who passed COMPLETELY into Heaven. And it's my interpretation that the higher power did this to make it clear to Sera that, while she is correct to not decide for herself if someone is or is not redeemed, she should not deny the possibility of redemption. I have a feeling, going forward, that whatever we do see of Sera and Emily going forward will revolve around this. Effectively, both Sera and Emily are/were wrong. Sera was wrong to allow the exterminations to continue, and Emily, I suspect, will one day regret bringing a sinner to Heaven who was not truly redeemed. I can picture a story arc where Emily tries to bring Angel Dust to Heaven and he pisses off everyone with his drug use and lewdness, after which they realize, not only that someone can be good while still not being good enough, but that some people are actually BETTER OFF in Hell. Both because Hell brings out the best in people like Angel Dust, and because people like Angel Dust make Hell a better place.

@pancakes8670

Ай бұрын

I never noticed that Sir Pentious bypassed the pearly gates! Some conscious force must have decided to place him right in front of Sera and Emily as a way of showing it to them!

Nah, I think it's simpler than that. It's implied in the overlord meeting that most of the sinners in hell are in some sort of contract with the overlords. If you're stuck in a contract, you can't leave even if you redeem yourself, ruling out the citizen sinners. And if you own someone, you can't be redeemed, ruling out the overlords. Sir pentious owns no one (as far as we see on screen, I assume he created or adopted the egg bois) because he was a wannabe overlord and no one wanted to own him, so he was in a rare position. It also explains why Angel has improved so much and yet can't go to heaven. It's also interesting that the most paranoid character gets redeemed after doing a 180 with the fear of being killed by someone else.

One other thing I'll point out is that pentious was the only hotel resident actually trying to redeem himself everyone else was either half-assing it (husk definitely would rather be anywhere else) or faking entirely (angel dust) just to have a home pentious being redeemed was a matter of when not if

Another fascinating video and really enjoyed it, @CartoonUniverse! I think Charlie brought the rules into the light and questioned them because of the unfairness currently the standard, as we all saw.

the rules, as written, have never changed. The rules were just interpreted differently. An example of how this can be, is emphasis. "That old man can't understand you very well." in this context, depending on where you put the emphasis in the sentence, the meaning of it greatly changes. Therefore, people have been reading the rules differently, akin to how the bible is read, thus changing the meaning of what the words actually are.

I thought that maybe Sir Pentious got to ascend to heaven because he was completely vaporized in hell in a selfless act, and so he had nothing binding him to hell anymore.

I would love to see the Idea of Nephilim being half Angel and Demon like in the game Darksiders

I don't think anything changes, Sera just doesn't know the rules because she's never checked. Or, rather, she's knows something we don't which incorrectly makes her assume otherwise. Your example with sinners protecting eachother during cullings could be explained by selfish intent. Protecting them because it's what they want, not to be selfless.

I don't think those extra eyes are another being watching through them. Emily had extra eyes too, but they only opened to her own realization that angels were killing demons. I think those eyes are just parts of the angels showing their true forms whenever their emotions start to grow beyond control. They only ever seem to open when the seraphim get upset after all. And we saw earlier in the episode that Emily and Sera have different forms than what they went to court in. I think the 'divine being' who passes judgement on the souls is watching from somewhere else and in another method. After all, there were no angels with those eyes in hell when Pentious was killed. Unless you're going to tell me those eyes on Lucifer's coat were also linked to this being passing judgement and Lucifer was secretly watching as Adam endangered his daughter's life when Pentious was killed

One thing I just cannot ignore is that Sir Pentious had to DIE to go to heaven. So that would mean people who believe they’re “ready” will have to be “offed” to even have a shot at going to heaven.

Charlie is an Odd case. Alastor said she has a soul. hellborn seem to normally not have one. stolas wouldn’t need a precautionary air if he could just manifest.

I don't know if anyone else noticed that in the pilot angel dust had a point of being double dead so they can get into heaven

There’s just something symbolic about a snake getting into heaven

I really like the idea that charlie is a Nephilim.

Nice vidio

@Fracturin

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YOU WERE FIRST NICE ONE

3:27 I’m a angel with a benefit 😇

oop 2:09 song change

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@Liz-xo7vr

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quack🐣

Maybe adams golden death rays serve a redemptive purpose he wasn't aware of. like the Egyptian weighing of the feather...an angel zaps you with it and if you are redeemed you survive in heaven but if not you are gone forever.

I know Vizzie has said she wants to incorporate themes from outside the Abrahamic religions, so my head canon is reincarnation is a thing in this universe but the powers that be (at least of those we have already met) are unaware of this cycle. But redemption from hell straight into heaven without going through the reincarnation cycle is unheard of until now.

Charlie *handshake* Gojo Reshaping society when they were born.

I love Sir Pentious

what is adam changed the rules? Sara didnt know what the guide lines for getting into heaven was anymore than Adam did and it was very obvious that he came up with his list on the spot. before there was a a written rule in that court room meeting, it looked like there just wasnt a rule at all so sinners couldnt be redeemed. now that there is a guideline; maybe sir pentis was just the first one to truely die with the new rules.

I think it's just belief if you believe you belong in heaven, then you'll go to heaven. If you believe you belong in hell, you'll go to hell.

@CaedmonOS

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The reason why no one's ever made it out is because you thought that you deserved this when you died and it only got reinforced by you going to hell. So the more you stay in hell, the more you believe that you deserve to be in hell.

Things I'd like to know is in the hazbin hotel intro evil was already around before Eve took the apple so why was hell created after? And why when Lucifer was in heaven did he hide his halo in his hat or did he not like wearing it at all? And why does sir Pentious not have wings when he's redeemed?

@bearstarpresents2264

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Creation was meant to be perfect. Imagine the world with a castle wall around it. Evil cannot get in. Then what Lucifer did caused a crack in the wall that allowed evil to breach it and storm the inside of the castle.

Great Video 👍👌👌👍 but 1:56 Angelic Lights does not have permanent death effect

Honestly, I never thought I'd willingly learn this mych about religion! I feel like your hazbin hotel theory videos, feel like that ned flanders trading card scene from the simpsons!😆👌

@CartoonUniverse

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After spending a long day teaching my friend about the Genesis Genealogies, I need to send him that clip that is hilarious id never seen it

@user-xb1eb8ol5m

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Truly a treasure or entertainment!

So you can’t have kids when you’re in heaven or hell. Just on earth unless you don’t have no sins.

I think you missed the fact that Adam had the DETERMINATION AKA THE MANDATE OF HEAVEN No one got into Heaven from Hell because there WASN'T a rule for it, until Adam in his infinite stupidity accidentally created one during the Court Case and Emily (probably) made it a reality Lucifer created the ability to fall into Hell and he Fell for it, Adam accidentally created a way for Fallen to Rise back up to Heaven

I think the redemption depends on the nature of the sin. If you left your comrades to die in battle, you'd redeem yourself through self sacrifice. Etc

So after watching this I have a theory that maybe Adams "death Ray" isn't even a weapon maybe he's just such a prick that he didn't realize God or whomever is above him gave him the ability to redeem sinners with that beam and maybe this is just the first time he's ever had to use it in combat because before this he either had his exterminators do his bidding or he found it more fun to use the angelic weapons on the sinners but when he got back into a corner used his "god-given abilities" thinking it was going to smite sinners not redeem them 😮 #butthat'sjustatheory lol

I have listened to aп audiobook called beneath the Silent Watchers lies endless Abyss

I mean technically everything is possible in hazbin hotel. It´s fkn god! he can do whatever he wants. if he wants to, there´s a new rule 34 times an episode

7:53 The Rabbi isn't saying that the messiah is the son of giants, he's asking if the person calls the messiah the son of giants after they (the Rabbi) heard the person ask when the son of giants will come.

One of the current tropes for going to heaven is "The Sacrifice". Someone who sacrifices greatly to help someone for no self serving reason, usually involving their life ending while the person they protect lives. This is a common story in most religious books. The God in this series never told the angels what the qualifications for going to heaven are, as that would defeat the purpose of earning their way with how often their servants go down to earth. In my personal views, hell, least in the first ring where lucifer lives, is basically a "2nd chance". Those who do not meet the initial criteria, those that lucifer was trying to prove his point. The first ring residence if not native born, can not go to the other circles. They still have their memories and personality in this circle. If they still do not redeem themselves here, then either they are reborn as a native in one of the other circles with no memory, or is reborn on earth. Being killed by angelic weapons may either trigger the above judgement or actually kills the soul preventing rebirth.

🎉Sera can *SUCK IT!!!* Charlie was right, a soul *CAN* be redeemed!🎉

My ideas on jow it all worked was that when a human dies, their soul is evaluated by a dorce we don't know about yet to determine if they go to heaven or hell. They are given a new "body" but this is merely to house the soul while in the afertlife. If this body is destroyed, the soul is sent back into the evaluation cycle since it is now free. This evaluation cycle, while details aren't known, have twl main considerations: merit and ties. Ties wouls be if the soul was tied to one aide or the other (soul-dealing so Angel Dust or Husk or even most Sinners wouldn't be able to get out of hell simce millions of souls are owned by Overlords. But merit is cumulative on the soul. Since not a lot of Sinners try to redeem, it doesn't often balance out anything that got them to Hell in the first place, but even then, the ties keep them there. So by one or the other (or both) any time a Sinner dies, they don't move up. But even if they do qualify, their body still needs to die to free the soul. Sir Pentious is the first to hit all three of these requirements.

Something most people and maybe impcut as well just saying he didn't seem to notice this and if he did I don't think he's mentioned it but sir pentious didn't just "go to heaven" he bypassed the pearly gates all together and was sent straight to the seraphim

I been noticing something as time goes on and I watch hazbin hotel reactions and these videos but most people ignore who said a line and focus more on the line itself even though who said the line can be just as important if not more important than the line itself. it's just weird to me that people do that

The rules havent changed, bc there was no rule that sinners cant get to heaven, the only thing has changed that its not a theory anymore as it was proven possible.

@CartoonUniverse

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THEORY VIDEO

All this begs the question in Hazbin's universe - What about God?

The force of good watching and changing the rules is maybe like the new covenant but, that occurring during modern times, that’s like if after 2020 or some disastrous time God lowered his standards from the faith of a mustard seed to the faith of a molecule

I think Roo and Eve are one in the same.

*Oh, Sir Pentious definitely changed the status quo of Heaven and Hell by being the first Hell-bound Sinner Demon to be redeemed/ reborn as a Heaven-bound Winner Angel in the awesome eighth season one episode of Hazbin Hotel, "The Show Must Go On!"* ;D 😉 *All of Jesus Christ and God's plan to help Princess Charlie Morningstar, Vaggie, and benevolent Sinner Demons and Winner Angels such as Crymini, Villa, Baxter, Summer and Molly for examples while humbling Sera and the Exterimators!* *Im excited for season 2 and future seasons of Hazbin Hotel, guys and gals!* 😇 🌌🪽🪽🌈✝️⚖️😈🔥❤️‍🔥🐾

Personally i'm not sure that there even is a higher power over the angels [unless Vivzy has stated as such externally.] I'm thinking it could be a form of self-actualisation like in the series Lucifer. In this case, either you just outright go to where you think you deserve to go [and his self-sacrifice changed his inner feelings], OR the reason that no-one ever made it up was that no-one had every thought about it and so when Adam came up with that stupid list and it was read out, the collective agreement and belief of the heavenly host, made it true [but as the collective knowledge is that you are judged in death, this is why Angeldust didn't just get yeeted into heaven while they watched him fulfil the criteria.]