I've always picture Sauron sitting on a throne in Barad-dûr while meditating and using dark magic he projected the eye on top of the dark tower.

@carbuncle1514

2 жыл бұрын

Playing a LoTR RTS game

Peter Jackson originally planned for Sauron to fight Aragorn at the Black Gate in RotK, first in his Annatar form, then in his black armored form. He decided against it, and Aragorn fought a Troll instead.

@oliw4010

6 жыл бұрын

Austin Kuettner is that the image from that bit of the movie that was removed at 1:09

@anathar8830

6 жыл бұрын

Rightly so.

@paulmag91

6 жыл бұрын

That would have been ridiculous.

@RVMAE

6 жыл бұрын

PaulMag ikr i am so glad that didn't happen phew

@albussd

5 жыл бұрын

Oh man. That would've been such a good fight. Perhaps. If Aragorn were able to put up a fight.

"Did Sauron have a physical form?" Yes, Golem describes him as having a hand (with four fingers on it) so you could assume that he does.

@duncanshaw1256

3 жыл бұрын

What good would the ring that rules them all do Sauron,if he didn't have a physical form? Only a physical form could wear anything,even a ring!

Yes, he did. When Frodo speaks of Isildur cutting the ring from Sauron's hand, Sméagol says, "Yes. He has only four on the Black Hand, but they are enough." Sméagol was "questioned" by Sauron personally, after all.

Finally a channel that addresses the interesting issues of LOTR. Keep it up!

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, I'm glad you enjoy the content!

@iarwain8584

6 жыл бұрын

He has dodged the two most important questions though. Who is Bombadil? And above all: do Balrogs have wings?

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

Hey now! Bombadil's currently being worked on!

@MasterBombadillo

6 жыл бұрын

Did you just dodge his second question?

@morinor1340

6 жыл бұрын

the answer is: balrogs have no wings very very likely

What I remember is the light on the top of his Tower is actually him standing there with his hands permanently on a Plantir, trying to "see everything"

i'd like to think Sauron connected the Ithil-stone to the eye upon Barad-Dur and uses the Palantir to control it magnifying its power of seeing as well as striking fear into the hearts of his enemies.

what about his depiction in the hobbit and desolation of smaug? i think that was a great depiction of him, you could feel the depth of his power even without his physical form.

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

I thought it was awesome, as you said it really captured his power!

@Joselopez-ix2nv

6 жыл бұрын

glad you agree! btw awesome channel I'm addicted now.

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy!! :)

@xergiok2322

4 жыл бұрын

Only he should have had physical form.

Sauron did NOT look like a disembodied eye. Tolkien often wrote in metaphor. When he says that there appeared to be "the flicker of a piercing Eye", that was almost certainly Frodo's impression of one of Sauron's eyes looking through his Palantir. Tolkien does not say that he actually looks like just an eye (any more than he says that Balrogs have wings.) The eye is either only a symbol of Sauron -- a symbol of his search for the One Ring -- or how someone who can see into the spiritual world (such as with the One Ring or with the Mirror of Galadriel) might perceive Sauron, since Sauron is peering into the Palantir. Tolkien NEVER describes Sauron directly as a disembodied eye, but only (in the Third Age) as a dark lord with eyes terrible to look at.

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

Yes I think so, good concise summary buddy!

@ainternet239

4 жыл бұрын

In the Return of the King, when Frodo and Sam are approaching Mt Doom, Tolkien describes the entrance to the Cracks of Doom looking directly east to the Chamber of the Eye. I took this as being where Sauron kept the Palantir or where he used his sorcery to observe the world, i.e. It wasn't a metaphor.

@scotthasson5838

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, your onto it i reckon

@Eudaimonist

2 жыл бұрын

@@levi5459 That's correct.

I liked the way Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War depicted the eye. They made Sauron’s armored form the iris of the eye and I’ve always thought of the eye like that ever since.

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

Ye, it was pretty cool!

@TheScholesie09

6 жыл бұрын

But that was done first in the Extended Edition of The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug kzread.info/dash/bejne/paeN0qynZbytesY.htmlm34s

I think the "eye" was more a word for his will and power, he could project over high distances. I hardly could imagine him turning himself into an eye. It is know that the Valar could see over great distances and even gave others the power to do so (as did Melkor when he cursed Hurin to see all the hardship his family may suffer because of his refusal to yield). I think the red glimpse Frodo and Sam see is more Saurons "will", his attention, which at this point even could be seen and fealed. Pippin looks into the Palantir, he also speaks about a man (I think) but one with a terrible appearance. Actually I think that Tolkien let his dark lord never come foreward is a genious method of making him a real threat. In other, inferior books from other authors the Dark Lords fight for themself (and are even sometimes brought down by the "heroes") or do other physical things. I think that dwarves them a little bit. Sauron is mentioned in horror, often even refused to be named, and he has no need to come foreward in person. His will direct his armies and servants - and that is enough.

@jiraiya4588

6 жыл бұрын

I first read the books 20 years ago, but a new idea has just come to me...what if destroying the ring only destroyed Sauron's immortality? What if now, he is mortal again, but still wandering in his bodily form, even if weakened? Could he still be out there? Much like Sauruman wandered after his defeat at isengard?

@phantasosxgames8488

5 жыл бұрын

Nope , it's already stated that Sauron , after the ring's demise , will be a wandering spirit , nothing but a shadow that can fright people yet harmless. He and many that "survived" will return when Melkor return from the Door of Night at the End of The World.

@FrenkieWest32

5 жыл бұрын

Tolkien drew the actual eye on occasion tho.

@derbis0n959

5 жыл бұрын

@@FrenkieWest32 nope?

@FrenkieWest32

5 жыл бұрын

@@derbis0n959 yep

I just kinda imagined Sauron as sitting in the throne room of Barad our, but projecting his spirit in the form of a watchful eye to survey all of Middle Earth.

LOTR is the best!

@karl8677

6 жыл бұрын

seconded!

@veng3r663

6 жыл бұрын

Yeppers ! I designed my game's Wizard Class after Gandalf in the movies... :D

@alejambicho4982

6 жыл бұрын

Xibby Sciberras True :)

@forbiddentoast158

4 жыл бұрын

especially when Dumbledore appears

@deejasart7766

4 жыл бұрын

Yes the best EVER

I always thought Sauron's form to be physical but in several pieces. The Eye was his sight, the Mouth of Sauron was his voice, and the Morguls where his hands(if each Morgul was a finger then he would have nine fingers).

@samsunguser3148

4 жыл бұрын

Nazgul. What a coincidence though

@russellwestbrookyellingatw9381

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, but Nazguls existed when he had 10 fingers.

It is for sound composition reasons that Sauron is not directly depicted or described. By keeping him vague, he remains a dark mystery, describing him in any detail would diminish him. Many of the foul things in Tolkien are surprisingly spare in their description. The Balrog, for example, is not described as much more than shadow and flame. Shelob’s most evocative description is “an evil thing in spider form.”

So what do you guys think? Was he shapeshifting between the eye and physical form or was 'the eye' his literal eye in the books?

@karl8677

6 жыл бұрын

I think it was more metaphorical, that when they mention his eyes it's the main thing he could use in Barad-Dur and his most powerful tool. So sure he'd actually be looking from the tower, but what would matter is his sight and what he sees throughout Middle-Earth, thus these passages in the book would emphasis his 'sight' so that the reader would focus on it.

@Yami1300

6 жыл бұрын

GeekZone At the same day I watched you video I found other clues that yes he does have a physical form In the chapter Sam's Decision the last one of the two towers when Sam listens to the Orcs discussing Frodo he hears this Prisoners must be stript description of every arthical (rings juews)And prisoners are cept sefe under penalty of death until HE SENDS OR COMES HIMSELF Is not 100% because he may come as a ghost. I,m certain HE is SAURON It's just cincedece that I descoverd this.

@connorgolden4

6 жыл бұрын

In the extended edition after the battle of minis tirith Aragorn took the palantir and showed himself to Sauron, who was had a physical form whilst in the eye.

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

Good Spot! Perhaps it was a hint, as he is seen holding a Palantir and it doesn't seem like some past memory!

@ryanwalthuis1928

6 жыл бұрын

I feel that the Eye was his physical form that he choose to manifest as. as a tactician he would use the eye as a symbol of power as his physical form does not seem as intimidating. additionally it would make his army and enemy's feel that he is always watching creating terror among friend and foe. Sauron would then use his power to project himself in glimpses as an apparition as that would be the safest way and scariest way to do it. leaving his enemys always wondering who or what he is. it is this mystery that makes people less likely to act. additionally, after he was defeated by iseldor, if the people knew that he still had a physical body they would have conquered mordor.

He learned his lesson, he didn’t want to take risks without the power of the ring.

Even though I never thought much of the Peter Jackson's eye form as I didn't find it particularly frightening or evil, I did think it seemed appropriate to the context of Sauron being sort of beyond the physical at this point in his existence. With the loss of the ring he essentially became a lich, with his life force bound up in it, and without the ring I wouldn't expect him to have much substance beyond a dark and twisted soul. I think actually having a body would be a hinderance to his mobility and his ability to "pierce flesh" with his gaze. I think the eye form does quite well at this motif.

It's strange in all the illustrations and portrayals Sauron is shown like a giant, when you quoted Tolkien he says he is not.

@Feanor6450

3 жыл бұрын

greater than human size but not gigantic I think by gigantic they mean things like trolls or even those stone giants from the hobbit

@evannibbe9375

2 жыл бұрын

@@Feanor6450 It moreso comes down to the artistic tradition that “taller person”=power, and a failure of imagination that humans find it hard to think of how a person is powerful without using a body or bright flashy events.

Very fascinating and Intriguing! Thank you!

Great video! I love the thought you put into this and the artwork that was used! I also like how you added the quotes to the description, it's pretty clear to me that Tolkien had a giant dark tower, with a flaming eye atop in his mind, maybe not as Sauron's physical form, but possibly as an avatar or just a tool that enabled him to survey the land around it and through other magical items.

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

@MrChickennugget360

6 жыл бұрын

the "eye" is Sauron's spirit- his "will" Tolkein is clear that mortals and immortals have body and spirit in his books and that beings like Sauron and Gandalf "wear" their bodies as mortals wear clothing. While Sauron's body would be powerful and terrifying his spirit is far more powerful and terrifying- hence "the Eye" (or minds Eye)

Just found you page yesterday. I love it good work. Would love to see a video about the dwarves of belegost

i love the way you talk and explain things really easy..esp to those who LOTR is new..good job brother

Thank you sooo much for this has easily been the #1 question about Lord of the Rings that I was most curious about and you answered it completely.

In my mind the eye was a twisted version of the palantirs.

Great Video!! Awesome man

This helped me to make since and make the connections so that I could understand. It can get a bit fuzzy on this particular subject. Lol Thanks for the great video!

The way I see it, the 'eye' (and more specifically the dark of the pupil slit) is what he shape shifts into as he waits atop Barad Dur tirelessly searching for the ring, sort of like Saruman's storm summoning bit, but with Sauron's obsessive need for his other half (the ring) being so intense that his power is manifested as the wreath of flame surrounding him, creating the appearance of a great eye.

Great video as usual. Although just so you know the description for the video has the same quote listed in #1 & #5..

Great video!

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it! :)

Please do a full Sauron biography!!!

"The eyes are the windows of the soul" In this case...a very dark soul

I always thought by binding himself to the Ring, Sauron prevented his fea from departing to the Halls of Mandos. Sauron and the Ring are One in the same. Had the Nazghul brought him the Ring, he would have taken corporeal form again, bringing doom upon Arda.

Thanks for the video. Nice job.

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it!

thank you. great work

Sauron is possibly the #1 archetype for all evil fantasy overlords. (less is more)

Great videos, by the way.

Sauron is an extension(by corruption) of Morgoth, thus Sauron is expanded into the physical realm into Mordor itself, Barad Dur and its clouds, its influence and army, and all his assets such as nazgul the orcs, trolls, and all evil prone creatures of the Planet(mostly in the middle earth region). the body of the dark lord is an enchantment of Sauron that only was complete with the one ring, he can have any form like a shell to reside within, but without the one ring, he cannot place his whole spirit and power in a manifestation strong enough to channel his entire potential power, thats why, keeping Sauron from getting back the one ring is so important, it would allow him to be unleashed.

The eye is simply a metaphor for he’s all seeing knowing watching looking for the precious. You wear the ring, you’ve just gone on his wifi. Granted, it would have been badass to see Aragorn fight him in ROTK

@evannibbe9375

2 жыл бұрын

It kind of defeats the purpose of LotR to have him fight the final battle against the remaining army of humans. Real power comes from having others (armies of others) to do your bidding, not from acting like a 20th level D&D fighter!

I just discovered your channel today, and I rather like it. I listen to things like this when I'm working every Monday, and your LOTR material is a welcome addition! One question, though: where on Earth are you from, man? I can't quite place the accent, though my mind being the way it is, I can't help trying. Accents fascinate me. I swear I hear something French in it. . .

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

I'm glad it helps mate! I'm from Malta! It's quite a rare accent, we've got a population of around 500,000 people so it's unlikely you'd have heard it before :P. It's quite amusing when people guess where it's from! :)

@waldenandwilson

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your quick reply! Now that question will no longer distract me while I'm listening! Yeah, I don't think I would've guessed that in a thousand years! Blessings!

Pippin also saw Sauron in the palantir. I got the impression from the book that Sauron was showing a physical form there also, though that could have been just a mental projection.

I remember reading somewhere that Sauron’s physical form, underneath his iconic armor, was like that of a burning man, with charred, blackened skin. In that guise, he was terrible to behold. The heat that his form gave off was a representation of his rage. It was this heat that burned Gil-Galad when Sauron was holding him by the throat.

Good job👍

I always felt the eye was a way to describe what it was like to have the full attention of this fallen angelic being.

I really liked how shadow of war took this question of why an eye and why not fight and came up with this idea of said on being trapped on his tower after battling someone that was his equal

If there’s any doubt Sauron had a physical form in the LOTR, just look at the extended cut of Aragorn looking through the palantir. You have to look closely, but it literally shows Sauron holding his own palantir from within his tower. Furthmore, in the books, Golum describes being tortured by Sauron himself.

Very good video! As for the matter of the nature of the eye, Sauron was able to pour a great part of his power into the One Ring. Essentially an extension of his physical being bound to himself, I suppose. Perhaps the Eye was similar, only not necessarily physical. It’s been so long since I read the books, I don’t recall if Barad-Dur had a palantir or not. In either event, I could see Sauron conjuring a spirit Eye through which he can channel his scheming plans

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

Cheers mate! I beleive Barad-Dur had a palantir, the one that was recovered from Minas Ithil. It was hope Sauron was able to communicate with Saruman and manipulate Denethor

@aethersonglegacy9402

6 жыл бұрын

GeekZone that makes so much sense! Thanks for the reply :)

I remember that back then, when I actually thought about it, the big ol' eye on top of the tower in the movies looked a bit silly. But I didn't care that much early on, yet the more it was shown in the Return of the King, the more it seemed like an odd idea to put an actual eyeball up there. As far as I remember, that was only a minor side-issue when discussing the movies, even with book-purists. It's just that, when I read the books, it absolutely seemed to me, that the eye was a straight up metaphor for the powerful, all-seeing mind - or even the actual eyes - of a being like Sauron simply looking around. The impression of that fiery eye might've been all that mortals were able to perceive when Sauron looked at them.

The eye of Sauron was so clear in the palantir and also in the mirror of the elves. Aragorn even had the strength to hold the ball and confront if when the halfling could not stand it. Since Sauron had one of the palantir could you see everywhere or just where the other palantir a were? Perhaps the eye on top of the the great tower was a British understatement. You know like there is a bit of mist outside, when actually it's raining very hard.

Nice video

I love how in the game shadow of War when you are shown Sauron giving a ring of power to one of the ancient Kings of Men and that this was a time where he lost his physical form and so he appeared in a more ghost-like form

@xergiok2322

4 жыл бұрын

Except it's all based on the misconception that he didn't have physical form.

You my good sir know how to make a channel with interesting content. You choose topics that are of interest to true Tolkien fans. You don't get bogged down in minutiae​..you add it to the description if anyone wants to check it out. Bravo..great work. You don't talk just to hear your voice like some creators..you say what needs said then you move on. Excellent. Now if you would just do more on the rest of Tolkiens works. There are several books beside Lotr to do. Thanks in advance​ if you would.

Always thought the eye was the palantir atop the tower that he used to peer. Modified with his dark magic.

The parts of Tolkien you quoted do have one, other possible answer. And it would explain why, he's always seen as a terrifying, armored figure, the few times he emerges from Barad Dur, after the destruction of Numenor. Sauron actually did lose his body, back then. His armored form, is merely a vessel for his spirit, and like the Black Riders' outfits, is physically empty. If anything, it would only increase his desire to lead from the rear, because there were still beings loose on Middle Earth, powerful enough to exploit that fact, if they discovered it. And I'm not forgetting the finger, that's just too complex to get into here.

I remember seeing something about when Aragorn fights the troll at the gates to Mordar in the movie that it was originally supposed to be Sauron, but they decided to change it.

"He cannot yet take physical form but his spirit has lost none of its potency" - Saruman

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

That's a quote from the films as far as I can recall, he doesn't say it in the books

@LordMortanius

6 жыл бұрын

In the actual books, Sauron was corporeal and humanoid until his final defeat.

@EdMcF1

6 жыл бұрын

Also, Gandalf the White refers to himself being most dangerous, unless you are brought before the Dark Lord (Sauron) himself, so he has a presence, if not, on that wording, a form.

@xergiok2322

4 жыл бұрын

Saruman never said that in the books though.

Could Sauron have preferred to be in the form of an eye while using the Palantir in his possession? Because to me it seems this ability to gaze across Middle Earth actually came from the Palantir. And seeing as he was always searching for the One Ring, monitoring his armies, and spying on his enemies, to me it makes sense he would be using the Palantir at all times, hence why so many seem to know him as the Great Eye.

No doubt in the book Sauron had a physical form when he desired to be seen as such...but in the films peter Jackson wanted to keep Saurons pure evil more allegorical...the less we see of him the better. Both are good takes on it imo. Thanks for the video :)

I think Sauron had a physical form but it was bound to the tower and only if he got the ring back could he leave his tower and his land.

@musondampumpu6792

Жыл бұрын

Yes he has a physical form

I always thought of Sauron's Eye as a manifestation of his sorcerous power projected to spy, intimidate, pierce the wills of others and keep strict watch and control of what goes on within his dominion - order and control were always his goal and its not a stretch to think he would use a great deal of his power in this manner. I guess I assumed that, since we know Sauron uses a palantir taken from Minas Ithil, that it is perhaps the palantir and it's involvement and usage by the Sauron's power of the Eye, that Frodo and Sam saw through the window of the tower, and that was described numerous times through out the books. And after his defeat in physical combat at the hands of Elendil, Gil-galad and ultimately Isildur, he was surely motivated to keep the core of his physical being safe in Barad-dur.

he was a ghost and 'fire being' in the hobbit it was BADASS

"[...] the form of an eye would have been eye-deal" ;););) (I so want this to be the official transcript)

My take on the eye on top of Barad Dur is that it wasn't Sauron himself, but a lens or some sort of sorcery through which Sauron viewed, enhancing his vision greatly.

yes gollum references it in the two towers, tolkien confirms it in his letters the tower of bara-dur becoming a light house in the lord of the rings films was a bit ridiculous tbf

Do you have a video explaining more in depth about Morgoth? Thanks!

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

I'll be making one in the future!

While reading the book I interpreted the Eye as Sauron using his palantir stone. He definitely had a physical body. Sam and Frodo discover and use the path at mount doom that was made and constantly maintained by orcs for Sauron to traverse between mount doom and barad dur. You only need a path if you have a physical form.

Something to consider is that spiritual bodies exist in both the religions of the real world and in the realms of Arda. These bodies can easily take human form and be of substance similar to a physical body if there is enough power to manifest in that way. So it's entirely plausible that since Sauron's body was destroyed in Numenor he never regained a truly physical body afterwards but merely manifested his tremendous power as a maiar spirit to fashion his spirit into the form of a body that was nearly as tangible as his original physical body. Wounds endured by a spirit in this form would manifest like any other wound.

imagine the 9 ringwraiths holding you, clutching the ring, and over the hill strides sauron himself

I never saw the eye as physically part of Sauron or Sauron himself but a giant magical projection of Sauron's eye. His eyes are still in his head but he can project a magical version of his eye that has the same powers as his real eyes and thus far more perceptive than any mortal man or even elf could be.

Amazon should do a series on this. There is so much story that they could do on Morgoth, Sauron and the Valor and the Numenors it's not even funny.

The way I read it in the books it seemed that Sauron was beaten down "and the ring was cut from his finger" Sauron could be defeated without sorcery, he surrendered to the Numenoreans overwhelming military might. It seems he was defeated conventionally and ring taken but not destroyed thus allowing him to remain, and the reason why his rising is such a big deal in the 3rd age is because the kingdoms of men have grown weaker with time "the blood of Numenor is all but spent" and there are waaay less elves left on Middle Earth.

@brucetucker4847

6 жыл бұрын

It wasn't his intention to surrender to the Numenoreans; he brought his army out to do battle but they were terrified by the size and strength of the Numenorean army and they all fled in panic. At that point Sauron could either flee himself and abandon Mordor or surrender, and he chose to surrender so he could go and make mischief in Numenor in person.

When I first read the books, long before the movies came out, I always saw Sauron as a large man shaped figure, robed, with one fiery red eye.

I feel like the eye was kind of like a vessel for him to inhabit. He spent most of the time 'in' the eye. He effectively was the eye, but only because his physical body was connected to it.

As much as The Hobbit trilogy stretches the Lore and adds to it, I think the portrayal of Sauron-post his first death at Númenor-is the most accurate. He can shape shift still yes but only into ethereal bodies, and even a physically body if he wants too. Also the Shadow of War Video game does a good job of both Eye and Body being interchanges. We even see a chamber he walks/materializes from flame/near the end after (spoilers). I think without the One Ring he could never truly return to his full shape shifting powers but is still able to change forms from Spirit to Body

In the films he actually does appear in corporeal form - or at least what appears to be his corporeal form - raising the palantir when Aragorn challenges him. As for why he didn't appear to fight in the books or movie the answer is simple - he didn't think he needed to. The Battle at the Black Gate is depicted as hopeless for his enemies and barring the rings destruction he would have been victorious. There was no need for him to step foot on the battlefield when he could direct things from his tower. It isn't like the last time he set foot on the battlefield things went well for him, so it was probably a good decision.

the "eye" is his ability to use the Palantir at his disposal to its full power. it wasn't known that he could do this before the fall of Minas Ithil and his acquisition of the Ithil-stone. He could "aim" it and basically it would allow him to look anywhere, but only one place at a time.

Sauron was overconfident. He thought his minions was enough.

@Spiri7ualShi7

5 жыл бұрын

They were enogh, if the ring wasn't destroyed at the right time he would have won, the fight at the Gates was a suicide attack, but it was a tactical move so Frodo and Sam could get to mount Doom.

Interesting info we never seen him in a physical from throught the movies i think he could take on forms by possesing other ones but from what we know i don't believe he actually had a form of his own tolkien might describe how he looked if he wanted to .. if he could have a body and did not use it when he could that was one of the reasons he fell,as it shows he must have found out the plan they had with the hobbit way sooner before frodo approached the Mountain opening but for some reason he did not guard the mountain with enough forces and still did appear to have any form other than the eye

I never really thought of the great eye as being somehow mutually exclusive to a Sauron physical form. As a young idiot, I read the books many times, but I was still young when the movies came out. I always assumed that Sauron was using the eye, even the film version of a literal burning eye atop Bara Dur as more of a projection of himself and his image, his power. I also always liked to imagine he uses it as a sort of magical spotlight, at least within Mordor itself. I never believed the presence of the eye at the top of the tower was a sign that Sauron did not have a physical form.

I always felt it was both. that he both had the form of the Eye, and a physical body, but that neither was solid. That he needed The Ring to re manifest his body in a fully corporeal form. --Having put so much of himself into it, he could not maintain a fully physical shape with out it. Somewhat like a super-powerful Nazgul--which makes sense-- basically, a living shadow. And then using his power to manifest the Eye, as an extension of himself, since his quasi-physical form was weaker than the Nazgul, who still had their bodies, even though those bodies had faded to invisibility.

the eye was a symbol of his lust to find the ring like a giant magic telescope

I think more likely Sauron used his third eye, the seeing eye of the mind. And viewed the world through a palantir, allowing him to see at great distance. It may also have expanded the powers and fiery intensity of his eye.

Yes, according to JRR Tolkien. He was seen in his tower before the ring was destroyed as a giant humanoid with black hand and grey colored body.

ALSO when the eye was up there Sauron STILL had a body. He was physical at that point already from within the tower.

Knowing now that Sauron had a physical form, I'm of the opinion that The Eye was more like a projection that allowed him to see what was going on without putting his body at risk. We know that he still wasn't completely back to normal without the ring. He knew it to, which was why he wasn't willing to put himself in danger.

I didn’t even know that Sauron was the necromancer?!

@GeekZoneMT

6 жыл бұрын

hmm they mention it both in the films and books

@carrierobinson8213

6 жыл бұрын

They mention it in the movies and books…

@danguee1

4 жыл бұрын

They mention it in both film and books........

@samwell2386

4 жыл бұрын

They mention this in both the films and books...

@r0n1n-

3 жыл бұрын

In case you didn't know, they mentioned it in both the films and the books.

There needs to be a book about the last alliance.

Perhaps he was only an evil spirit after the ring was cut from his hand. But this spiritual energy was so strong that he could manifest a physical or visible form when he needed to appear and exert an influence over his servants , slaves, and prisoners! The eye could have been such a manifestation that he projected to watch over Barad Duir and to observe the movement of his enemies!

I think Sauron has a seeing stone that allows him to see through the eye by interacting with it. Like the palantir, but that’s just a theory

@cjisawesome3686

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Young Good theory I also think the eye is perhaps like a device of his that allows him to strike fear into the orcs and other creatures of mordor

@arbiteras

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, he got that one from Minas Ithil when the Nazguls conquered it.

A bit late, but I think that armored form is as close to sauron's true form as possible. In the movie, there are very similar features between sauron's and the balrogs faces. Since balrogs are as close to what a pure maiar is in physical form, we can assume sauron would look similar, just a bit smaller.

What is the image from 1:08 from?

Pls do one about the beorings ore put it on the list

Techinically in the movies Sauron wasn't just an eye, in the hobbit when Sauron fights Gandalf the pupil turns out to be Sauron's old form, though if you only watched Lotr then you would never know that. I havent read the books, but to me, the eye in the movies is a great motif for the bad guy.

I believe that Sauron put so much of his power into the ring that after he was defeated he couldn't take of a physical form. Then if Frodo fell to the power of the ring Sauron would have taken over his Frodo's body so he could wear the ring and the transform into whatever he wanted.

@sgusjsk

Жыл бұрын

Nah in the book he has a body. Peter Jackson did have a scene where he had sauron fight aragorn but this was cut...(thank God for that). He would have just been weaker without the ring. He would have still been stronger than the fellowship no doubt

In the hobbit finale it looked like Sauron was emerging from the fire about to grab Galadriel before she drove him physically back.

I could be wrong, but in the lotr book when pippin looked into the palantir didn't he say that Sauron was there and he kind of looked like a normal dude with claw hands, pulled up a chair for him, and was kind of confused, and didn't know what hobbit when by what name? IDK ..I could be wrong.?

I know their was a path that led up mount Doom that the orcs had to clear because Sauron went up there at times. Also he had to wear the nine rings on his hand to control the ring wraths so had to have a physical body. I would have to get out Lord of the Rings but I seem to remember it saying or letting on Sauron's body was hideous but it did exist.

i think the eye IS just a metaphor. by the time bilbo enters the story, Sauron has a palantir in his possession and that is what allows tolkien to conceptualise saurons will into the form of a lidless eye. although tolkien increased the potency of sauron by never focusing in on him in the 'active present' nor getting him to interact with anyone else in real-time narration, i was disappointed that the film(s) copped out by never showing the face or even the malevolent eyes of sauron. he remains a cardboard symbolic villain. also, i hated the scene in the film where isuldur makes a lucky 'slash' at sauron. in the book it explicitly states he was Overthrown: "I was the herald of Gil-galad and marched with his host. I was at the Battle of Dagorlad before the Black Gate of Mordor, where we had the mastery: for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aiglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father’s sword, and took it for his own." it is clear (to me) that the ring was cut off AFTER sauron was overthrown. the film reduces all the valour and heroism of the last alliance to a lucky slash!

I always pictured him to be jet black, bald, and have a body of slow moving gray flames. I also pictured to him to have a jagged face, and white flickering eyes. When he moved he left a sulferic scent.

I have a theory that Sauron no longer has a physical body anymore without the one ring. The one ring gave him physical access into the living world and that he is stuck in the spirit world. With the ring he is in the physical world, and without the ring he is only in the spirit world. Because his original body was already destroyed and his spirit fled back to mordor and then took on the form of Sauron at the beginning of LOTR. And when the ring was cut off he lost the connections temporarily. Also i believe he could go between the physical and spirit world only a short time because of the other 9 rings of men. But with the one ring he has full power to do what he pleases. And the eye was just a gateway for him to see into the physical world with his own powers. But once the ring was destroyed he died in both worlds because the ring had his remaining powers and spirit or Sauron....this is similar to Voldermort in Harry Potter, where he can split up is spirit and remain alive as long as those object/being is still around.

@olegyd

5 жыл бұрын

Very nice idea but Tolkien clearly described form of Sauron in his letters! As a, man bigger then normal human shape but not gigantic