Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed's work is gold standard. Thank you Prof.

@arijitdakshi820

3 жыл бұрын

Prof. Ahmed's lifetime efforts contribute to any possibilities of understanding and reconciliation between the two bitterly inimical nations. Prof. Ahmed has contributed enormously to world peace. This is also true of Prof Hoodbhoy. I had the good fortune of attending to Prof Hoodbhoy's memorable 'post-dinner' talk at Sutlej hostel, JNU during my student days sometime between 2001-2006. I even had a brief chat with him after the Q&A session.

@irfanhuq5918

3 жыл бұрын

Jaswant Singh has also written a book on Jinah of 700 pages or more these individuals never mentioned it.

@RakeshVerma-ys7kh

3 жыл бұрын

@@irfanhuq5918 Oh Jaswant Singh, Advani wrote hear say, Ayesha Jalal tried a commercial version, but Dr. Ahmad 's book is like evidence based and unbiased text book in my opinion.

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

@ghafeershah5804

Жыл бұрын

سچی تاریخ

Great personalities ..... few of them left in Pakistan. respect from India

@independentnationalist1740

2 жыл бұрын

This old man is in London and other one is barely sustaining inside Pakistan.

@shahidahmed8050

2 жыл бұрын

A planted person.

@blparte8838

3 ай бұрын

Kuch bhi bolega pakistan mai rehta hai ye 😮​@@independentnationalist1740

My respect to both of you sir. This is not independence where people lost their birth place.I am an Indian who lost birthplace of ancestors. Respect from India.🙏

@Salman4u23

6 ай бұрын

I agree with your thoughts because my parents are from India. My mother's entire family is in India, and my father's family is half in Karachi and half in Punjab. Our entire family was separated, and we were left behind. The Partition destroyed our families, and we never met again. There are many problems here too, and there are many problems there too. However, the countries that became independent after Indo-Pak are ahead of us. Somehow, India is ahead of Pakistan.

جو وہ ہمیں دے گئے ہیں اسکی حفاظت اور ترقی ہر ایک کا قومی فریضہ بنتا ہے۔

@zahidilyas6725

3 жыл бұрын

kon dy gia

@tariqjamil3898

21 күн бұрын

پاکستان قائد کا احسان ھے۔ 1971 میں آدھا احسان اتار دیا ھے باقی کا آدھا بھی بہت جلد اتار دیں گے۔ قوم کی انتھک محنت جاری ھے۔

We want a longer interview with this learned author!

@xenium535

2 жыл бұрын

Read all his books.

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

Finally someone came with facts!!!

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

With all due respect I would like to ask you, if Jinnah was so secular and reluctant to partition India then why he had given call to 'Direct Action'?

@rocking4joy

2 жыл бұрын

Just listen to the whole thing, he said that it's a wrong perception that jinnah was secular, he was not. Listen to the end.

@abhishekmhatre1554

2 жыл бұрын

Being secular doesn't prevent one from being violent. Also, Prof. Ahmed doesn't argue that Jinnah was reluctant to partition India, he actually argues the opposite that he was strongly in favour of it.

@rakhimukerji7937

2 жыл бұрын

Direct Action was called by Surawardy

@vasukinagabhushan

2 жыл бұрын

Jinnah was a big hypocrite and a sellout. After causing the first violent religious partition of Bharat in our history of 10,000 years. Corrupt and divisive Jinnah was not a hero.

@samratsengupta7185

2 жыл бұрын

@@rakhimukerji7937 no it was Jinnah's..Also known as "farewell to constitutional means" speech, it's freely available on the internet just as his "two nation" theory. Suhrawardy saw to its successful implementation.

By the way . If we obey Dr ambedkar's opinion (100%population exchange) means in from Pakistan bring all minority into India) it was perfect deal.

@adwaitab.3622

2 жыл бұрын

Now what is done is done. No need to force anyone to leave

@anonymouslyopinionated656

2 жыл бұрын

it also included non-muslims (well Sikhs/Hindus/Parsis at least), to move to India... but Jinnah wanted the Dalits to stay behind to do menial labour

@hudabaig5990

Жыл бұрын

You are misleading people whether Jinnah was certain to partition both countries or it was the circumstances that had changed the course whatever lead us to become independent one thing that still stands is that his decision was practical till date for Muslims after we see the way they treat Kashmirs

@kyabe5813

Жыл бұрын

@@hudabaig5990 from the way Pakistanis have treated Hindus and Sikhs, and have managed their economy and education, it is clear that you guys didn't deserve us. You need to sink further below and grovel at China's door before you realize that partitioning a 5000 year old civilization was a mistake.

Thanks for your valuable feedback on this issue.

Your honest approach is like spiritual discourse. May God bless you 🙏 ❤

The Interview should long last..covering all aspects...we are awaiting much discourse on the topic..Thanks for your precious time..

Great program! What a breath of fresh air. The humanism, morality, and rationality of Dr Hoodbhoy are like a lamp that lights up the darkest corners of obscurantism, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness. Looking forward to many more programs. If possible, please increase the duration of the program so that issues can be covered in depth.

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

The Aim of history is to put across" Forgive but don't forget , if you don't remember your past one is condemned to repeat it "

Very informative talk. Thanks to both the Scholar.

@abdullahiftikhar419

3 ай бұрын

Jitni lanat aur nahusat iss banday k muh pe hy utni he bakwasoyat se bhari hui baaat cheet ye sahab farma rhe hain

The video was a bit short. Good Q n A by Prof. Hoodbhoy and Dr. Ahmed. Reality can be distorted but can't be changed. Good work Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed.

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

Thank you for your insights Drs. This is a great gift of knowledge on Jinnah's birthday.

Thank you for the talk Sir .,

Sir hope you leave long I never watched your videos find it on mooro podcast now I am watching and listening everyone.... Great professor ❤️❤️❤️

Great information, lots of respect for Dr.Pervez Hoodbhoy and Dr.Ishtiaq Ahmed.

ڈاکٹر اشتیاق صاحب کو محبت سے کتاب لکھنے پر بہت بہت مبارکباد قبول ہو۔ 😍

Happy New Year 2021 Professor sahab, Fanatics will not like you there, we respect your views regarding humanity and knowledgeable person like you will be welcomed here, my Best Wishes 🌹

@mkgupta6272

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👌👌👌

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

When I was in UK I used to listen English thinkers talks on Indian partitioning. They were unanimous that Queen would have lost power by leaving united India behind. So Indian split was as per English rulers design. Indian Hindus supported Muslims for more than seven hundred years and living together for such a long time they became accustomed to Muslim traditions. Even at partitioning Hindus leaving Pakistan were financially well off than Muslims. Its a tragedy that English people exploited Mughals incompetency and took over this region. during its 100 years rule East India Company destroyed the religious harmony between the people of united India through their famous doctrine of divide and rule and still we see that culture in the establishments of India and Pakistan.

@msr7373

3 жыл бұрын

but why would queen loose all her powers by leaving india united? First of all there was no queen ruling Britain at that time (it was King George, father of Queen Elizabeth), second partition or no partition, Britain was suppose to leave india in any circumstances, infact leaving a united india would have been less difficult for them as they just had to transfer the power to Congress and leave.

@narayanshenvi8154

3 жыл бұрын

Brits snatched power from Marathas and Sikhs not from Moghuls.

@KidsStories9999

3 жыл бұрын

@@msr7373 I used the word Queen as head of British Empire. Historically its correct that King George was there at that time. Brits generally do not colonize a state for more than 100 years and its true that they were leaving India anyway. Partitioning was actually aimed at multidimensional objectives; the main being to secure trade routes and security of the region. Through partition Brits cleverly plugged hot spots, probably ten in number, in the region and the capacities of the armies left behind were never built to combat levels so that they may not become a threat in the future. These were merely a better form of police forces to control the respective areas. Generals promotions are vigilantly observed and we may see that none of Pakistani or Indian generals have a combat mind. They, however, are good policemen. other objective was to keep a check on India through Pakistan and to China through India. So we see whenever there is any military buildup on Indian side West shall always support Pakistan while against China they shall support India. This system worked well to pass through industrial age. Now West is getting into high tech activities and they have moved low tech industry to India and China. Now Gulf oil and our man power are no more important and land routes don't need that much security. In the coming years we may see a complete change in the existing financial, educational and state systems that might be a step forward to a more civilized societies.

@KidsStories9999

3 жыл бұрын

@@narayanshenvi8154 Initially Brits cleverly used local lords of these communities to disintegrate Mughal Empire and then suppressed Sikhs and Marathas to establish their Raj in the subcontinent.

@TMBpk

3 жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as "united India". Stop with the romanticism of British colonialism. British India was never a country, it was a colony of Britain.

Eye opener. Thanks a lot.

Lots of love and respect for you Sir from your own country The Great India 🇮🇳, Jai Hind Jai Akhand Bharat, Vandematram.

Very informative... Totally agree..

Jinha, a Gujarati, mainly lived in posh locality in Mulbar Hill Bombay and became very rich lawyer but never lived among Muslim communities, only with Hindus and Parsis. He could speak only Gujarati and English not any other Indian languages. He never went to Mosque until close to his death. He realized that his was very close to death due to his life style, with smoking and drinking which probably caused the incurable TB or lung cancer. So as a shrewd lawyer and just like current politicians he played religious card to create a country to become a head of state so that he would die as such. My dad,a Gujarati and teacher, grew up in South Bombay early in 1920's and as a young man studied both Gandhi and Jinha closely including attending the high court proceedings to observe his arguments and also meeting him personally. He told us that Jinha was a very smart lawyer but never expected that Gandhi would able to unify India against British rule so he never fought for the freedom.He waited until a right time to ask for a separate home land and took very extreme step calling for "Direct Action". Interestingly, I as an engineering intern, had met Jinha's grandson Nusli Wadia in his factory who resembled very like his grandfather.

@mishalaqeel380

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah u were right with him

@rmazim500

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot apart from His drinking binges Jinnah was very fond of eating Bacon, Ham and Pork.

@vasukinagabhushan

2 жыл бұрын

Corrupt Jinnah was a willing pawn in the British plan to partition India.

@pushpenderrana6190

10 ай бұрын

Jinnah thought himself to be at least the equal of Nehru,Gandhi and other Congress leaders but being a muslim he realised he could never be PMin a hindu dominated India so he planned and plotted with Churchill and other Western leaders to create Pakistan which would be a vassal state of USA ,UK.From here the western countries could keep an eye onboth USSR and China.Perennial beggar state of Pakistan was only too happy to oblige so long as yhey were paid handsomely for use of their territories

Thanks for both Professors for this informative discussion.

The speech delivered by Jinnah on 11th August 1947, which was vouching for secularism, after that he didn't talked about secularism at all. In fact the speech, which was blacked out by his own newspaper Dawn, was an eye wash for preventing persecution of non-muslims in Pakistan and stopping migration of muslims from India to Pakistan.

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

@DipakBose-bq1vv

2 ай бұрын

Jinnah was a lawyer and he could mould his lecture according to the audience. The audience in 11 August 1947 were mainly the British. Thus, he pretended to be a secularist in front of them.

@rizwanzamir3755

13 күн бұрын

Muslims were slaughtered in the Eastern side by Sikhs and Hindus, influenced by Savarkar. Will Hindus realise this fact? One must face the truth.

Jinnah’s speech on 11 august 1947 was designed for the British who were the main audience for him on that day. That was a lawyer’s speech. A lawyer can give different speech on different occasions.

@Salman4u23

6 ай бұрын

you must be prove before any aligation with Strong Evidance

Two intellectuals of Pakistan. I would love to listen them more often

@atanughosal01

3 жыл бұрын

For sure ... its a pure listening pleasure when 2 educated historians debate over these issues ..wondering how to lay hand on that 800 pager book ... do we know who the publishers are ??

@ashishmohite6766

3 жыл бұрын

You two are hindu and musalman so respect the border and stay away from each other

@atanughosal01

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashishmohite6766 Cant be more stupid than this ... while I will respect the border, cause as it stands today they are two sovereign states ... why exactly do I need to stay away from each other ?? ..where exactly is this stupid hatred stemming from ?

@arijitdakshi820

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashishmohite6766 you may keep your unsolicited counsel to yourself. Besides, if you are so keen, please patrol the border yourself rather than being a cowardly armchair sipaahi of the Hindu Nation. 🕉️🕉️

@ashishmohite6766

3 жыл бұрын

@@atanughosal01 not hatred but an advice in public.

Two learned men in conversation together. Great video. Would love to see them having conversations with learned people from our side too.

@BharatWantsPok

Жыл бұрын

These 2 men don't belong to.one.country, they belong to spirit of south asia

Great admire to these two intellectuals. I am watching this video 3rd time.

@gajananpatil2281

2 жыл бұрын

Me too.... 3 rd time I am watching.

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

Thank you Ishtiaq Saab. This is the conclusion anyone will get to if they choose to just read Ayesha Jalal's book(or even Jaswant Singh's book) and form an independent opinion on Jinnah's motivations based solely on facts mentioned in the books. There is a cottage industry of Jinnahpologia with people like Jalal and Yasser Latif Hamdani ascribe noble intentions to Jinnah based on some gymnastic psychoanalysis without any basis in facts about Jinnah's words. Looking forward to reading your book.

@Dendronish

3 жыл бұрын

Is Jaswant Singh too a Jinnah apologist?

@rubyjackass

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dendronish Undoubtedly. He does not even call himself a historian. These people romanticize Jinnah as a misunderstood hero(based on his actions when he was in Congress. Fewer fiction writers can accomplish such immediate character empathy) and blame Nehru for decisions taken as fait accompli, when, in speech after speech, Jinnah tries to burnish his communal credentials and Nehru his secular and socialist ones. I can only speculate as to the motivations of Jaswant Singh. As a hypothesis charitable to his intellect, I would say BJP kind of people want to blame everything on Nehru, so they absolve Jinnah of his sins. And Pakistanis ride on this BS train of RSS because it suits them to perpetuate their own myths -that their leader was secular(which Pakistani liberals hope against truth) or that he wanted Pakistan as a last straw to 'save' muslims from Hindus(some Islamists and majority of Pakistani centre wants validation of their state).

@Hamza-fr1gj

3 жыл бұрын

@@rubyjackass lmao yeah all of them are fiction writers while this biased writers is a historian 🤣

Huge difference in intellectual standing of both. Dr ishtiyaq ahmed Is love 🖤

Thank you ...carry-on good work

Dr ishtiaq is very genuine and goes into all depths to bring out the facts..nd disclose them..

Hello Dr Saab, a big fan of you from Delhi 🙏🙏

I highly respect Dr. Hoodbhoy and his contribution to mass awareness. That said, it took me quite some time to understand Jinnah's perspective. His human frailties notwithstanding, the man was tall. Ideology is not fixed. It is an instrument and has been blatantly used even in the so called 'Free World.' Jinnah's faith, discipline and unity have been even more misinterpreted than the two nation theory. It was faith in conviction, discipline in public life and unity in diversity. Hoodbhoy Sahib, you are a good scholar. Please do not tread in murky terrine.

@durgeshsingh5220

Жыл бұрын

Basically Jinnah was a hypocrite. He divided the nation based on religion and then thereafter put up mask of secularism without any concrete plan for upliftment of left out minorities in Pakistan. That show he was simply keen to pursue his agenda what suits him without any vision, leaving the nation in lurch after his demise.

@munshimarufhossain4359

Жыл бұрын

History is NOT Science hence there is lots of scope of MISINTERPRETATIONS, When Khilafat agitation was going on, and it was led by Femous Ali Brothers ,Gandhiji SUPPORTED them,Jinha asked Gandhiji why Congress being a Secular Party could support a religious of Khilafat Party? Gandhiji' s reply was as it was against the British so we supported! Jinha was not satisfied( it was in the mid 1920s) In the early 1930s Jinha left for England & started practicing Law there but due to some unknown reasons he came back and joined Muslim League ( !!) and became the most IMPORTANT leader of ot!! Who finally demanded a separate homeland, if very objectively analyzed Congress had NOT objected the demand Vociferously, though Gandhiji alone said it will happen on my deadbody When the Bargain was at peak the Congress boycotted Crisp MISSION to bury all chances of keeping the country united as ML proposed to make the United Country of Federal Structure keeping only four Portfolios (Defence,Finance,Communications & External Affairs) with the Central Govt and rest with the States,which Congress didn't agree In the

To the point answers with evidence by Dr Isthiaq sahib, this is called proper research. Nice to see Dr. Hoodbuoy challenged him properly.

Dr sb I can see a lot of work done by you to conclude this kind of a thesis … we truely appreciate your work and ideology sir Thanks for illustrating the facts and they are enough to appreciate… we love history and learning it thru you is really appreciated

Asslamualikum., Great personalities, great talks,great truths.....

❤❤❤❤❤❤🇮🇳ishtiaq Ahmed is most loved scholar.... Love ❤u from India 🇮🇳

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

Thank you for both Respected personalities.

An excellent offering two great and learned Pakistani s A rare occurrence

Dear Ishtiaq and Pervez, the happiness and celebrations that were observed in India and Pakistan were for gaining independence from the British Rule. However, the deep pain and anguish experienced on the both sides was in fleeing from death, destruction and rioting of the partition. The two communities were torn asunder from their centuries old habitat to go and find new habitations of hate. Please read Amrita Pritam on partition. Ishtiaq you seemed to have aged more than Pervez. With warm regards Ravi Singh

@asangha182

3 жыл бұрын

Very aptly explained, Singh sahib..

@vhtevhte

2 жыл бұрын

The sufferings of Sikhs and Hindus was far greater.They were chased out systematically of the areas which are now called Pakistan.Nobody chased Muslims out of India,they went out of their free will, now being called Mohajirs.

@ravinderpalsingh4225

2 жыл бұрын

@@vhtevhte you may have only heard of systematic killings in Pakistan, my early memories are of growing up in refugee tents. I am not clear what you meant by saying Hindus and Sikhs suffered more than Muslims? Even as refugees fleeing to India we were not welcomed by co-relgionists in the neighbouring states of Rajasthan and UP. As refugees, we were called "Uncivilzed Punjabis" it reveals an inbred resentment of the other. Does this hate carry on even to this day, is the question? Growing up some years later, I felt ashamed when I heard of killings in several districts in the Eastern Punjab. Unless we shed this politics of hate and resentment for the other communities and castes, we will keep on killing to even the score, whether in India or in Pakistan. It is important that we become humans instead of systematic.

@damn738

2 жыл бұрын

@@vhtevhte now you got it so shut the crap up !!! There were more muslims who migrated then those who come out from punjab even if we work on data bcs 14% of sikhs and hindus in exchange there were 35% of muslims from east punjab and from other parts like rajasthan up haryana they couldn't make it so obviously atrocities faced by muslims were more i mean were they in position to fight when the army was against them and their own so called brothers in independence were fighting against them ... One thing i would say sikhs should had been atleast been careful but they didnt and their loss was massive they could have talked to muslim leaders

@vhtevhte

2 жыл бұрын

@@damn738 Our government has taken the right decision of not recognising Pakistani degrees.It is simple mathematics.Total Muslim population in India is 25 cr more than the population of Pakistan.Hindus in Pakistan non existent.There cannot be any argument on the subject.So called educated Pakistani people coming up with some non existent statistics.This reflects why Pakistani citizens cannot even elect their own PM.Cannot pay medicine bills.People below poverty line growing by the hour.Chaos not a country.People who don't accept mistakes will have to go downhill.There is no scope for upward mobility.

I have read this very well and convincingly written book! Indian and Pakistani readers will enjoy reading it!

Informative..

Salute, so true...

Great work by doctor Ishtiaq Ahmed sb.

@Hamza-fr1gj

3 жыл бұрын

Biased Historian

@aamirabbasi7278

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hamza-fr1gj when did you finish the book?

@Person12762

Жыл бұрын

Amir abbasi sahib angrezoun nay Pakistan ko apnay maqasad kay liay istamal kerna tha is liay banaya tha Pakistan mein 4 crore log dewaroun say ser takra ker rotay huvay mer gay pagal ho gay thay aur hindustan kee tareekh aisi nahi hey jis tarah Pakistan mein pri jati hey tareekh ko masakh kia hey hindustan mein hindu sikh muslim sub united thay zat system tha religion nahi

One in million Pakistan can speak the truth at desired times that too with fellow academician......

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

ہود بھائی کی باتوں کا بہت لطف آتا ہے

very good to see two legends

2 scholars are discussing while "Aree gere unpad log" is criticising them

@talha2024

3 жыл бұрын

Oh bhai, they're discussing this topic for the people. So, every one has a right to criticise them or be agree with them.

@Yash-uo4jm

3 жыл бұрын

@@talha2024 But you can't deny a fact though. can you?

@LucasKsh

3 жыл бұрын

@@talha2024 uncle people here are throwing opinion on the fly based on irrelevant who said who and not fact based challenge to the book which itself is like a sophisticated research book.btw i have ordered the book :)

@sahirasgher5279

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah sure mr. Einstein.

@sahirasgher5279

3 жыл бұрын

@ yash

Professor, Iam a great admirer of your talks

Thank you so much sir

@ViewsAndNewsChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Author Nasim Yousaf (Allama Mashriqi's grandson) views about Jinnah, Gandhi & the partition of India facebook.com/AuthorNasimYousaf/photos/?tab=album&ref= kzread.info/head/PLbiCHHl6HdCYoVAG9SR6ZZ9-H5iR9kLhY Must Read: "India & Pakistan Owe their Freedom to Allama Mashriqi" archive.org/details/india-pakistan-owe-their-freedom-to-allama-mashriqi

Hoodbhay! Great programm great research❤

It's nice to such an intellectual discussion on pakistani portal... After partition Gandhi ji had done protest for paying 56 crore to pakistan... Even Gandhi ji given statement that, partition will be on my dead body..

@Hamza-fr1gj

3 жыл бұрын

@Sandeep k copy paste bheekari spotted

Who should be held responsible for 5 million deaths horror during the partition !

@antiantidisestablishmentar3921

3 жыл бұрын

Handler's of partition, British. Partition was mismanaged. Thousands of people migrated after 1947 in much more peaceful environment cz of well managed procedure. Muslim majority Kashmir region is also the reminiscent of diverting from division plan and sowing the seeds of enimty between India and Pakistan.

@suryaprakashkoli6680

3 жыл бұрын

Islam

@rajhegde5955

3 жыл бұрын

Muslim league forced British raj and Congress and the Islamic radicalism of Muslim league is the reason of bloodshed in 1946 & 1947 There are lots of Mullahs who contributed to this bloodshed Direct action day in 1946 by Jinnah and his boot lickers is one example

@rajhegde5955

3 жыл бұрын

@@suryaprakashkoli6680 Well said Bloodshed in any part of the world is contributed by this cult 😍 The most pissful ideology 😍🤩

@shankariyer8378

3 жыл бұрын

How does it help, anyway? The way forward is to analyse and not make such mistakes and begin a process of reconciliation. From Pak side reconciliation wont be easy because of the military and the fundamentalists. Even after partition Pak has continued anti India terrorism by a thousand cuts. Healing process is next to impossible. India would care a damn if only terrorism stops. How is India otherwise concerned with Pakistan? We wish Pak well However, the terrorism must stop. That alone will bring peace. And Pakistan has no control over terrorism. In fact the world has no control on religion being used for terrorism.

Great work

شکریہ ڈاکٹر اشتیاق احمد ۔

Two of the great intellectuals of Pakistan 👍

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

Highly intellectual discussion. Slightly scathing to common sensibilities.

Sir point to be noted.

Wow this book looks interesting, is it available online?

I believe, it's high time that people of Pakistan must shed image of identifying themselves with religion. Even some people in India must shun the same

I heard many videos of this senior historian. He is a great researcher and no one from Napak Nalayak country can challenge him on facts. Very detailed researches person

.Dr Ishtiaq is very correct,indian never wanted division of India,but they had to agree with this demand very unhappily.

High regards for both scholars

Quaid e Azam a true blessing for Muslims of subcontinent 🇵🇰 🇵🇰 🇵🇰

@shrinidhikulkarni479

Жыл бұрын

Very true. Not just for Muslims, for Hindus as well. We Hindus thank him from bottom our hearts for creation of Pakistan.

@shrinidhikulkarni479

Жыл бұрын

There would have been lot of religious riots and lot of lives lost from both religions.

@pushpenderrana6190

10 ай бұрын

Good riddance

@azeemahsan1608

7 күн бұрын

Jinnah DIVIDED Muslims into Three Nations.

where can we buy the book?

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

Peace and love is life❤ .great speech sir .❤❤

Appreciate Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed Hard Work

Partition of British India has resulted in the prevention of Islamisation of people of remaining Indian subcontinent. Pakistan is declared as a monocultural society with majority religious rights due to phobia of other religions whereas India is declared as a multicultural society with minority religious rights. Read those judgements of various high courts and supreme court on minority religious rights in Indian constitution. Utilising this, large scale en-masse conversations are taking place into Christianity and now Hindus are reduced to 50 to 60 percent or less.

@Salman4u23

6 ай бұрын

and what about RSS and Hindutwa

Dr.Ishtiaq and Dr.Pervez both are very learned .I always wait for your valuable interpretation.It is correct Jawaharlal Nehru is master mind of partition

@dipeshlall

Жыл бұрын

Nehru was the mastermind? Have you read the book. Wow.

آپ دونوں ہی قابل احترام اور قابل تعریف ہیں ۔

Nice and very informative.

The problem is that Pakistan doesn't want to know the truth

Very informative!!!👌

Interaction with humility 🙏

GREAT DR. HOODBHOY. THANX

Namaste good sb love your effort to re educate Pakistanis with a pragmatic approach

@indious360

3 жыл бұрын

@@theobserver7639 please add "wrong" in between 'the' and 'observer' ,the name of your youtube channel

@R.kandaswamy

3 жыл бұрын

@@theobserver7639 Yes Ayaz Sadiq also confirmed that Pakistanis speak truth. " Gen. Bajwa ke Mathe pe pasina tha, Tange kaamp rahi thi." Yes Sadiq Ayaz also spoke the absolute truth. Gen. Bajwa was sweating, his legs were shaking with fear of India. Our yeh Chini TV per hai. Dekho our sharm Karo. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eYGtztFunM_QnNI.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2qY0q-RfdGWhco.html

@R.kandaswamy

3 жыл бұрын

@@theobserver7639 Ayaz Sadiq spoke truth kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2qY0q-RfdGWhco.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/eYGtztFunM_QnNI.html , kzread.info/dash/bejne/q6R42LGNlb3fYJs.html

@R.kandaswamy

3 жыл бұрын

@@theobserver7639 Kyon apne aap ko jalil kar leto ho? Apne jahil honeka saboot social media pe deke?

@Hamza-fr1gj

3 жыл бұрын

You mean propaganda?

Jo bhi DARD se shuroo hota hai WO kabhi success NAHI hota Aman sabse zaroori hai 🙏🙏🙏🙏🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

@PervezHoodbhoyOfficial Sir I wanted to inquire that from where did you get this book? I have not been able to find it in Lahore and Islamabad. Kindly help me with that. I am waiting eagerly for the response and I will be extremely grateful for your help. Thanks.

@iamyou8994

3 жыл бұрын

I have it. It's not a nice thing but I can send you the e-book version.

@mdas5990

Жыл бұрын

@@iamyou8994 I want ebook.

just finished watching a series of videos that were hosted by Pervez Hoodbhoy featuring Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed a Punjabi, Pakistani political scientist who migrated to Sweden and became a professor at Stockholm university. In these videos Dr Ishtiaq criticizes Mr. Jinnah roundly for his handling of the partition, his ego, and his lack of empathy for the killings that took place after partition. He says that unlike the leaders of Congress Mr. Jinnah did not spend one night in jail and did not write any book. He was a good lawyer hired by the nawabs of India to argue their case for partition with the British. He also states that Mr Jinnah when asked what would become of the Muslims left behind in India , said at Kanpur that he was willing to sacrifice 20 million Muslims left behind there if they hindered the creation of Pakistan and partition of India. On the other hand he pays great tributes to Mr Gandhi and Nehru and other Congress leaders for their foresight, sympathy towards Muslims and for their broadminded secular outlook. He says that Jinnah was not a liberal and the August 11 speech that is quoted to support his liberal stance post partition was just one of many speeches and one swallow does not make a spring. All Jinnah's speeches before and after this were based on the division and differences between Hindus and Muslims and the argument that they could not live together after the British left. He says that Jinnah sahib knew that in order to get Pakistan there had to be communal riots which would convince the British of his point of view and did nothing to stop them. He says nothing about Allama Iqbal the poet who first gave the idea of Pakistan and does not acknowledge any contribution from Raja sahib of Mahmudabad who bank rolled the country-Pakitan for the first few years. In summary he paints a very dark picture of Jinnah and his Pakistan. Due to his supprt for the Congress point of view and praise for Mr. Nehru and Gandhi, hi books have received very wide readership in India and he is invited frequently for talks there where he further elaborates his point of view on Mr. Jinnah and his failures. Coming from a Punjabi this is quite strange. If here is any one group that benefited most from the creation of Pakistan it is the Punjabis in Pakistan. Dr Ishtiaq cites references for each of his statements and one will have to believe him although reluctantly. one technique thathe does use as dio all people who want to propage a particular point of view is to make selective choices of incidents and their references. He gives the impression from his writings an illustartes it further in his talks by examples which show that HIndus , sikhs and muslims were living peacefully in pakitan , india before and after partition and contue to have love for each other after it. While this may be tru, he fails to point out that the killings of Sikhs in Rawalpindi by the punjabi mulims was the one most important factor that caused the massive communal riots, in Punjab and he murder of over one million people in Punjab which then spread to other parts of India. He fails to point out that the so called Kashmir problem between Indai and Pakistan is essentially a Punjabi punjabi problem. a urdu speaking or sindhi speaking person in Pakistan has little or no interest in it. The little interest that is generated in these parts is by invoking the religious nature of the problem. IF a book like this was written by an Urdu speaking person, I would find it easier to understand since the partition that took place essentially sacrificed the Muslims living in the Muslim minority provinces on the altar of Pakistani nation hood. The ones who came over to Pakistan did not do much better since they were discriminated in government jobs, by quotas for Karachi where the majority had settled and were restricted in joining the Armyand other forces. The well to do of them migrated to other parts of the world and the ones that could not were condemned to live in ghettos in Karachi and Hyderabad and were constantly faced violence from the Patahns and others living in these cities. So complaints against Jinnah's Pakistan would sound more reasonable from them. But criticism of Jinnah coming from a Punjabi who was given a country on a silver platter by Jinnah are beyond comprehension. My main point is that, I wonder why this book and videos are coming out at this time. I have no problem with Hindus and Muslims living peace fully together in India and Pakistan. I think Pakistan and India should resolve their differences peacefully and infact have argue inmy blogs that the Kashmir dispute is just a red herring and Pakistan should not pursue it. etc. etc. And if the references that Dr Ishtiaq cites are correct then his position on Jinah and Pakistan are perhaps tenable. However, what makes me a bit uneasy is the timing of all this coming out and the suspicion that there may be more than what meets the eye in all this. You see, when one has to destroy a nation one needs to weaken its institutions like the Judiciary, the Army , the police the bureaucracy and others. we have already done a very good job of all this ourselves. over the last 20 years or so. The only thing that some old fools like my self still hold onto is the notion that perhaps Mr. Jinnah tried his best and did not get enough time after partition or things would have been better in Pakistan today. These are the lingering strands of nationhood that still exist in some minds like mine. To completely destroy a nation, it is necessary to snatch these remaining life lines of nation hood and extinguish ALL hopes so that even people like myself would be forced to say: that Pakistan was a bad experiment that did not work out so let us close the book and move on. This , I think is the ultimate objective of these videos and books. If this is so then we need to see who would benefit from such a situation, Perhaps it is a ploy from the West in conjunction with its partners in the region. Just like it is said that the creation of Pakistan was in fact a part of the greater western strategy to have a client state in south Asia which could be used against the Soviet Union after the WW II . Now that the Soviet Union has been destroyed and Russia effectively contained there is no need for such a client state. To combat the new western Enemy China, teh west already has the enthusiastic support of India - so there is no need for Pakistan. It is expendable. The aspirations of the local people or their concerns do not figure in these grand strategies. so too bad if some Pakistanis do not like this outcome. To pursue this theory further, i would want to investigate the financial flows that have supported DR. Ishtiaq's works. People like Pervez Hoodbhoy have enthusiastically agreed with what he says. I cannot disagree with much of what he says (if he has not cheated on his references) , but have questions about his selective methods of analysis and concerns on why he is saying all this at this time. So I would caution the audience and intellectuals like Pervez Hoodbhoy to be a bit more critical in their thinking before swallowing all this hook line and sinker. I would be grateful for comments on this note from friends and not so friendly people.

Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed is honest about history.

Qaid e azam wants pakistan because it was a need of this region of muslims

@nomadicmritunjaya774

3 жыл бұрын

Accha to pakistan banake kya kar liya tumne , agar islamic state hi solution tha prob ka to bangladesh kyu bana ye batao

@mehranbaloch2173

3 жыл бұрын

Free Balochistan from Punjabi converts.

@LucasKsh

3 жыл бұрын

@@mehranbaloch2173 love from india to balochis

Dr. Ishtiaq and Dr.pervez you both are very learned .I always

Ayesha Jalal got her PhD in Cambridge university for a false thesis that Jinnah was a secular. It showed the low standard of that university.

Parvez great man good interview of professor saheb & I respect honesty of professor 👍👍

It's appalling that an academic like Dr Hoodbhoy did not bother looking for references in Ayesha Jalal's book and accepted it on face value. This happens when you view history with pre-conceived notions

@anooppandey5301

2 жыл бұрын

Do you think this is 6?? Just rotate ur phone its 9.. History that u been thought may be wrong u must explore the things. By the way exactly this history which they are discussing we in india study in our study books.

@rajneeshchatta1657

2 жыл бұрын

@Saqib, Dr. ishtiyaq has referenced Dr. Ayesha Jalal’s book; and I am sure Dr. saheb has read that too. pls ref from 4:00

@usmanhaq7698

Ай бұрын

Of course they are Pseudo intellectuals as rightly pointed out by quaid e Azam 80 years ago "Corruption is a curse in India and amongst Muslims, especially the so-called educated and intelligentsia. Unfortunately, it is this class that it selfish and morally and intellectually corrupt. No doubt this disease is common, but amongst this particular class of Muslims it is rampant." M.A. Jinnah to Ispahani, 6 May 1945

So unbiased this from Dr Ishtiaq Ahmed.

I appreciate this discussion

@ritika5363

2 жыл бұрын

Wow sir , I like ur name. U know I just finished my history lecture of delhi sultanate and there was a chapter about Bhatti rajputs of multan and Uchch ( I think these places r in pak) who defended their territory from invasions of Muhammad Ghori in AD 1175. 🙂🙏

Jinnah, Nehru, Ghandi and Patel were all educated as lawyers. None had administrative or governance experience. They all miserably failed in maintaining peace during partition.

@guess-the-best8609

Жыл бұрын

Maintaining peace was the duty of britishers who governed us.

Love u sir.

Thank you sir

Prof Hoodboy nation state has been made by enlighten educated citizens with true criticism and truthful thoughts. Your recognition is due to foreign study where you have enjoyed full freedom which is not in all Asian countries.

Great respect for you Sir. Our views may differ, because we are made different. Very few of your class are left in Pakistan. When you speak it is difficult to concentrate on other things.

@AmjadKhan-py6bo

Жыл бұрын

A response to Peevez Houdbhoy for his Anti -Quranic and Anti True Islamic way of thinking and we present in defiance with challenging data from The Quran,so everybody is invited to listen the whole lecture with care.. Thanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaNkt6WsdprJj7g.html

I don't know but it was good decision. I don't want to imagine situation of united India.

@pranavdwivedi7678

3 жыл бұрын

Same here☺️☺️, even we dont want followers of Islam, pr gandhi ji ki wajah se yaha bahut se muslim reh gye hai, aur to aur lakho muslim to pakistan gye aur phr wapas aa gye india, bas inko le jao, apne chutiya ummah me

@shahsaud2625

2 жыл бұрын

@@pranavdwivedi7678 🚽🚽🚽🚽🇮🇳

Best 👍👍

2 Pakistanis I really respect and admire