See Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham, a response by Dr. Robert K. Ritner, professor of Egyptology, University of Chicago, 2014

@RichardHolmes-ll8ii

2 ай бұрын

Robert Ritner was proven wrong. Care to refute?

Joe and Hyrum weren't going to be farmers.

@KnuttyEntertainment

6 ай бұрын

They literally worked on farms their whole lives and enjoyed it.

@Glass-Looker

2 ай бұрын

@@KnuttyEntertainment This is incorrect. They spent significant time working on farms, but definitely not their whole lives.

@KnuttyEntertainment

2 ай бұрын

@@Glass-Looker "Joseph Smith was a vampire, he didn't sleep" "What are you talking about? He slept his whole life." "Incorrect, while he spent significant time sleeping, he spent 2/3rds of his life awake." You see how this misses the point? Fact of the matter is that Joseph's career prospects didn't play a role in his motivation to run the church, he did it because he felt he was commanded by God to do so.

I like the part where they scratched the snout off Anubis for the facsimile 3 printing plate. The scratch marks can even be seen on the church’s own website. Gotta love those tricksters!

People have been trying to discredit Joseph Smith as a Prophet of God and disprove the Book of Mormon as Sacred Scripture for over 200 years and NOBODY has been successful. It’s driving them absolutely insane. In the meantime the Gospel continues to spread across the whole earth as prophesied.

@0d1n253

3 ай бұрын

Clearly you aren't paying attention to current church news.

Clutching at straws, at best. Smith didn't have a clue but because so many were already hoodwinked, they went with it blindly.....

Apologetic response: *First a few quick points:* 0:01 that’s not a picture of Joseph Smith. The person who found the picture speculated it might be and the internet ran with it. 0:04 the video will later go on to claim the book of Abraham is false because the surviving papyri is not contemporary to Abraham. This assumes that the claim is that Abraham wrote on these papyri himself, rather than the papyri simply containing his words. We don’t have any manuscripts written by the original biblical authors either, this is a non-issue. 0:10 Joseph Smith always claimed to translate by the gift and power of God, not by any intellectual means. He could tell you what things meant, but not what they literally said. The only direct “translations” of his that we can compare to the originals are the facsimiles, in the which he actually gets a lot of things right, just indirectly. *Why does this even matter* Of course, Joseph Smith does get a lot of things wrong, but that’s what we would expect, as the church does not claim he was infallible or inspired 24/7, and his mistakes are of little, if any importance. Especially as there zero evidence pointing to the idea that Joseph was insincere or a fraud. That Joseph made errors isn’t surprising. If the secular worldview is to be believed, that’s all he could make. What is surprising is that he somehow got things rights, things he had no right knowing about. A hundred failed predictions do not counter-balance one true miracle. Furthermore, many Latter-day Saints do not even believe that the Book of Abraham was translated from the hieroglyphs at all, but rather that the papyri simply acted as the catalyst for revelation and Joseph Smith was only under the impression that he was translating. And if you’re open to accept some form of divine intervention, then why does it matter what form the miracle takes? You’d be fine with accepting a miraculous translation but not a divine revelation? And if you’re not willing to accept any form of divine intervention, then what are even doing in the first place? Nothing is going to convince you anyway. So in any case, the matter of the papyri is irrelevant to Joseph Smith’s prophetic claims. If, for instance, the Book of Mormon really is true history, then what does it matter if the surviving fragments match the book of Abraham or not? That’s like trying to determine if the Book of Mormon is true when you’ve already decided a priori that Christ was never resurrected. Well if you’ve already decided that, then the Book of Mormon can’t be anything but false, the resurrection of Christ is kinda pre-requisite. Examining a dependent claim isn’t going to provide you with any new evidence against the pre-requisite claim. Going after low-hanging fruit isn’t going to get you any closer to the root of the matter. And if you’ve already decided that the root is rotten then you’ve no reason to deal with the fruit in the first place. Poke as many holes as you want in the faithful narrative. The truth of the matter is that the critics don’t have any workable alternative theory of their own. They’re throwing stones from glass houses. So really your only two options are that you can either accept the faithful narrative, even if there are parts we don’t yet understand. Or you can throw up your hands and say that because there’s some things you can’t understand, that you’re not going to try and understand any of it, and go on with your life while doing your best to ignore all the miracles surrounding this Joseph Smith fellow.

@wardified8566

6 ай бұрын

You have strong faith 👍

@bradlong7941

5 ай бұрын

🤪

@KnuttyEntertainment

5 ай бұрын

@@bradlong7941 Care to explain?

@bradlong7941

5 ай бұрын

@@KnuttyEntertainment Your logic and apologetics are circular arguments going down the drain. After nearly 200 years, hindsight is best. Joey Smith was either a con man or a mental case with visions of grandeur. Brigham Young was a major con man who built his his sex cult empire in Utah. Young would, however, fit in nicely with this collection of trash today we call politicians and congress critters.

@nute742

5 ай бұрын

@@KnuttyEntertainment They did a whole video on it (with the scientific measurements, etc) It didn't equate to Joseph Smith (Perhaps his brother or someone else). I can send you the link if you want.

You're comparing the facsimiles to the explanation and expecting correlation. You're supposed to compare the facsimiles to the Book of Abraham to show contrast between God and Satan.

@Glass-Looker

2 ай бұрын

I’m not focusing on the facsimiles at all. My focus is on the hieroglyphics translated by Joseph. The Church officially states that this translation is inaccurate.

@RichardHolmes-ll8ii

2 ай бұрын

​@@Glass-LookerThe church didn't either state the translation is inaccurate. The church only stated they don't match up.

@RichardHolmes-ll8ii

2 ай бұрын

​@@Glass-LookerHere's the kicker. They were never supposed to match up. Your anti-Mormon and Egyptologist cult thought they were.

@RichardHolmes-ll8ii

2 ай бұрын

​@@Glass-LookerThe translation from Joseph Smith was never supposed to match up with the translation from that of the Egyptologists.

@Glass-Looker

2 ай бұрын

@@RichardHolmes-ll8ii The introduction clearly states that it is “a Translation of some ancient Records that have fallen into our hands from the catecombs of Egypt. The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus.”