I don't know why I never considered ancient people finding fossils.

@kevinfromsales9445

8 ай бұрын

There was a whole series explaining the possible origins of Greek mythological creatures. Behind the myth, they explained the exact same possible origin of Cyclops as just Elephant or Mammoth skulls.

@metaouroboros6324

8 ай бұрын

We are under the impression that all the discoveries have been done in the past 1000 or so years.

@gianni206

8 ай бұрын

I don't think most of us did lol

@l21n18

3 ай бұрын

@@kevinfromsales9445isn’t that assuming everything is mythological?

Imagine being a person back then and finding dinosaur bones, not having any concept about how long ago it lived. Must have been thrilling and terrifying.

"If you go back in time and conquer cavemen with a fighter jet, it doesn't matter how smart the cavemen are, you still have a fighter jet" - Freeman's Mind, Ross Scott. Kind of fits the idea that ancient people weren't stupid, but just didn't have the tech to do/know what we can now.

@maxalaintwo3578

7 ай бұрын

People saying that ancient people were stupid pisses me off so much.

@DarthT15

6 ай бұрын

@@maxalaintwo3578 It's Chronological snobbery and it bothers me to no end.

@LetsComment3

6 ай бұрын

We become good at what we are at. Same with working our in the gym, you bench you gonna become good at bench but not necessarily bicep curl, you need to train bicep curl if so. If we take a modern human 1000 years back he might die quickly same with taking a guy 1000yrs ago to now. We adapt.

@triceratroytv2292

3 ай бұрын

A Freemans mind reference was not expected

@Only4game

Ай бұрын

All thanks to ancient people who were ahead of us. Without them, we wouldn't have existed

As an archaeologist who deals with animal bones often, there is something else I'd like to add in. Ancient people produced trash, just like us. Animal bones and materials which were processed for food, clothing, or other wares, often wound up in middens. Overtime, these middens can grow to be absolutely gigantic, big enough to build multiple houses upon once hard-packed dirt is added in. These ancient trash dumps contain at times, millions of animal bones and shells. And yet, without fail, all of the bones present are of species either alive today or well documented to have lived into the modern age. Extinct animals do show up in these middens, but only recently extinct forms. For example, a type of giant seabird called a Great Auk once roamed the north Atlantic. The auk was, tragically, exterminated by human hunting in the 1800s, but remains of them have been found in midden heaps from across the Atlantic seaboard. So even if the bird no longer lives today, we can tell it did live alongside humanity. Same could be said about many animals from the last Ice Age, like the various mammoth species. We find their remains in ancient middens, find accurate renditions of them in art, and human tool marks on their bones. We find no such thing with dinosaurs or any animals the geological timeline has showed to have gone extinct before the appearance of modern humans.

@Andrea-xs4ny

7 ай бұрын

Excellent point!

@Ephesians-yn8ux

7 ай бұрын

Dinosaurs are a myth

@gabechacon8375

7 ай бұрын

keep looking. Because the evidence has been buried or destroyed. There's plenty of evidence of dinosaurs and humans living side by side. Footprints, cave drawings etc

@inanewtongue2881

7 ай бұрын

Can you give us some insight then sir how did humans possibly come after the dinosaur? Im baffled by this idea

@Tarbtano

7 ай бұрын

@@inanewtongue2881 certainly. There are a lot but I will go over some brief ones and I will go into more detail if you request. Dinosaur bones aren't found alongside modern mammals and humans in the fossil record, be in fossils nor in historic middens. We also don't find evidence of them interacting, such as a predatory dinosaur tooth mark on a modern mammal bone. Nor do we find historic accounts accurately describing what can only be dinosaurs in the human written record, and no, dragons are not accurate to dinosaurs at all. Unfortunately there are many animals that are now extinct that did coexist with humans, and we know they did because they have evidence that dinosaurs, sans birds, lack. For example we know that woolly mammoths coexisted with because we find their bones in the same layers of rock and sediment, we find mammoth bones with human tool marks on them, and we find artwork drawn by people long that shows they were aware of what a mammoth was and drew one from live witness.

It always frustrates me when people assume that people in the past weren't as smart or curious as we are and the argument that the only way ancient people could have imagined giants or dragons is to have actually seen such things is silly.

@michhanesh5466

8 ай бұрын

It frustrates me too when people think that ancient peoples were dumb and supersticious all the time, and therefore if they write about an animal that they saw and we dont see it inmediately means they made it up.

@natalierobinson7055

8 ай бұрын

Totally agree I was just thinking this.

@benjaminwatt2436

8 ай бұрын

The biggist problem I have with evolutionary theory that Dinos died millions of years ago is its based on a lack of fossils. they will be the first to admit we have a tiny percent of the fossel record, but dinos dying of millions of years ago is treated like religious dogma. It frustrates me that most won't even entertain the idea that people may have seen dinos even with the huge amount of drawings, paintings, legends, histories and such. Even IPs (all due respect) examples most had to do with fresh bones and didn't mention digging or reconstructing.

@chilluxtheduck8023

8 ай бұрын

I think it isn't that, it's the fact that they appeared on several different parts of the word

@edmundburke8490

8 ай бұрын

I agree, people in the ancient world were smart, and some were stupid. But, just to label them all as bronze age brutes, with their fairy tales, really does our ancient brethren a dis service. Great channel IP.

I'm sure the first people to come across a Komodo Dragon could have been forgiven for thinking this giant reptile with poison glands in its mouth (that attack humans at will) had found a dragon. I'm sure stories of this thing would have spread and been exaggerated until it could become a fire-breathing reptile that was the size of a house.

@RodMartinJr

8 ай бұрын

That is one of dozens of alternate, possible hypotheses. It's also possible that such creatures actually existed, but were exceedingly rare because they were man made, rather than biological. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯

@mister4631

8 ай бұрын

Ah yes komodo dragon

@samueljennings4809

8 ай бұрын

@mister4631 Megalania, actually. I think that’s how the species was called, basically a giant Komodo dragon. It lived with ancient humans, and almost certainly could have inspired some stories depending on its distribution.

@gianni206

8 ай бұрын

i don't believe in dragons, but if Komodo's exist i think it's pretty likely that an animal with steam-breath could also exist

@acem82

8 ай бұрын

@@gianni206 I'm gonna go with the likelihood of something that can bring water to 212 degrees F would be pretty much impossible, as it would boil its own blood doing so.

I have heard once before from a secular TikTok channel that Mammoth skulls were once believed to be cyclops skulls. I am guessing he is right based on your research.

@TrivialCoincidence

8 ай бұрын

I've seen a similar thing from history textbooks

@whatsinaname691

8 ай бұрын

There’s also a real condition of cyclopia, so the two go hand in hand.

@benjaminwatt2436

8 ай бұрын

@@whatsinaname691 That point actually hurts the argument that people made up dragons based on the bones. We have real example from history of ancient people imagining the creates that left dino-fossels. Those stories end with far-fetched creatures like griffins or cyclops. However, there are dozens of exemples of large rptilian animals that seem too similar to the real thing to be a wild guess at bones

@samueljennings4809

8 ай бұрын

@benjaminwatt I would agree with you. The fact that descriptions are different actually work against the proposal that humans lived with dinosaurs than not, because the descriptions would be more similar to reality.

Gracious and forgiving. I was a YEC many years ago and being ridiculed by my Christian brothers and sisters only solidified my YEC beliefs and that this was a type of persecution against a "plain reading/understanding" of the text. Thank you for presenting, in an even-handed way, a gentle rebuke and loving alternative that comports with God's magnificent reality.

@leonardodoel3106

8 ай бұрын

I am glad that I was skeptical of the YEC viewpoints. It's good that you repented from the viewpoint

@TacoTuesday4

8 ай бұрын

@@leonardodoel3106 chill out a bit buddy. I don't think views of creation are even close to major issues and certainly are not something someone needs to repent of.

@patrickbuckley7259

8 ай бұрын

@@The_Bored_Theist-jq5ro I wish it wasn't, that sounds metal.

@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid

8 ай бұрын

@@TacoTuesday4exactly

@biomuseum6645

8 ай бұрын

Old Earth creationism be like: god waiting 1 billion years of death for humans to evolve instead of just snapping his fingers and make them instantly Btw, I'm not YEC, nor Christian, but at least I admire yec for being strong in their faith instead of changing their beliefs with every new research

The ancient greeks thought elephant skeletons were evidence of the cyclops, I am sure they would have found dinosaur bones too.

@fatstrategist

8 ай бұрын

Good point

@benjaminwatt2436

8 ай бұрын

Greeks found elephant bones and dreamed up cyclops. I agree they would have found dino bones, but then you would expect an equally crazy creature to sprout from those finds the same as with the elephant bones. you would not expect them to come up with anatomycally similar creatures to real dinosaurs. but we do have many stories in Greek history that report actually sightings and people seeing fresh skeletons. it seems unreasonable that they dug up bones, reconstructed skeletons, didn't write about that, but instead wrote about actually seeing them.

7:25 you called him Jack Horner and now I can't get the new Puss in Boots movie out of my head😂

@t.rexking441

8 ай бұрын

To us Paleontology Fans, Jack Horner is a guy who did some really good things for Paleontology (discover Miasaura, Einiosaurus, Scientific advisor for the first Jurassic Park film) but also did some… controversial stuff like argue that T. rex was purely a scavenger despite all the evidence pointing to it both hunting and scavenging (like any modern predator) and smashing fossil dinosaur eggs with a hammer. He also once married a 19 year old student of the class he taught at the University he worked at, he was like 70 or so at the time so it was really gross.

@josephfiandra4523

8 ай бұрын

@@t.rexking441 the more you know

I would also argue dragons are more based on snakes then actual dinosaurs since all ancient stories pretty much described them as being serpentine or actual snakes.

@RodMartinJr

8 ай бұрын

Bravo! *_But also,_* many of the legends include metaphor or literal description of these snakes *_flying._* The word "dragon" comes from Greek, meaning "snake" (drakon). In Central America, the snakes had feathers -- a metaphor for flight. In Europe, many of the dragon legends included snakes with wings. But some legends had snakes without wings which flew. And in the legend of the founding of Athens, Cecrops was supposed to have been half-snake, half-man. And this ties in to the Egyptian golden dragon which had saved a merchant prince, nursing him back to health -- sometimes appearing as a dragon, and sometimes appearing as a man. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯

@nathanielalderson9111

8 ай бұрын

I forgot where I read it (it was a sentence deep in "research", in Arabic history) talking about legends of small yellow flying snakes in the deserts.

@HereTakeAFlower

7 ай бұрын

​@@RodMartinJr Some snakes can lounge decently far away, and some live on trees and drop on the prey from the sky. Let's add a dash of poetry and now you have flying snakes.

@RodMartinJr

7 ай бұрын

@@HereTakeAFlower I don't doubt there are a near infinite number of alternate hypotheses. With what we know about Atlantis, some theories are more likely. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯

@l21n18

3 ай бұрын

Why?

While I'm still a YEC, the idea of ancient people finding ancient bones isn't anything id heard of before, but actually makes a lot of sense and is quite intriguing.

@rockzalt

8 ай бұрын

Also whether the "human' footprints in the same layer of rock as dinosaur footprints is legit or not, it too has a problem. Angelic footprints would be the explanation.

@justanotherbaptistjew5659

8 ай бұрын

@@rockzalt Angels are spirits, they don’t have footprints

@rockzalt

8 ай бұрын

That's your problem right there, you don't know how to STUDY the Bible, "And an angel of the Lord *stood* by them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they feared with great fear." Luke 2:9 Berean Literal Bible The more traditional Young's Literal also translates "stood" @@justanotherbaptistjew5659

@RodMartinJr

8 ай бұрын

Bravo! And while you are still YEC, consider the fact of the possibility that ALL YEC scholars have a lack of ALL knowledge and their conclusions are based in part on *_Darkness_* (the lack of knowledge). There are many facts which destroy the YEC interpretation of our Holy Book. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯

@celestialsatheist1535

8 ай бұрын

Young earth creationism is a mass delusion

Here's the big problem with the answers in genesis argument: No dragon design perfectly aligns with dinosaur reconstructions today. They have aspects of dinosaurs, but it's never perfectly recognizable. If these cultures were living along side the dinos, why would they be so inaccurate to how we know dinosaurs today? The more likely explanation is that they were piecing together singular creatures with the evidence being parts, but not the whole, of the skeletons

@benjaminwatt2436

8 ай бұрын

because the modern practice of anatomy and physialogy didn't exist. you also don't have perfectly drawn lions or any other animal, but they are recognizable. personally there are far too many accounts, drawings, paintings, legends, eye-witness acounts, flags, symbols and such for it to be coincidence. I'm not even argueing young Earth, the evidence indicates people saw these beast at some time

@ready1fire1aim1

8 ай бұрын

Yahweh's Bronze Age epithets were the Dragon, the Twisting Serpent and the Seven-headed Monster.

@SamAdamsGhost

8 ай бұрын

​@@ready1fire1aim1source?

@disguisedcentennial835

8 ай бұрын

@@ready1fire1aim1source?

@ready1fire1aim1

8 ай бұрын

@@disguisedcentennial835 The Baal (Lord) Cycle. That's when Yahweh got kicked out of heaven for being the tyrannical plurality of bullshit he is. His name was originally Yam (Canaanite word for Sea) but God (El) changed his name to Yaw to match the way he was acting. The Mt Ebal curse tablet, world's oldest Yahweh inscription, has YHWH "Yahweh" as just YHW "Yaw". Yaw, who was originally named Yam. Literal adopted red-headed stepchild. First king of Canaan. Yahweh Elohim from Genesis 2 is the false Elohim. Such a bullshit artist.

We know they had mines, for either stone or metals, you know they probably dug up a dinosaur skull and just called it a dragon. And every culture had mines pretty much.

I’m really glad that you address this. Back when I used to be a YEC as a kid, this was one of the big things that convinced me.

ya know, looking at pterodactyl skeletons, they look strikingly similar to the European interpretation of dragons. and, probably not coincidentally, the first pterodactyl discovered in modern times was in germany.

@music79075

8 ай бұрын

Never thought of that.😮

@Thagomizer

5 ай бұрын

No they don't. European dragons have bat-like or fan-like wings, when they wings at all. The pterosaur wing consists of three fingers, a backwards-pointing thumb "webbed" to the arm with a membrane, and a single long "pinky" finger that is stronger than all of the others, on which the wing membrane attaches, and links to the ankle. No winged dragon portrayed in European art looks like this. At best, there are a few that resemble winged serpents, which pterosaurs do not.

@jacobhargiss9909

5 ай бұрын

@@Thagomizer you understand Im referring to skeletal structure, right? do you expect folks from 1200 ad to correctly interpret what the creature should have looked like?

It's my understanding that reptiles do not stop growing until they die. Assuming that a pre-flood environment which allowed humans to live upwards of 900+ years, would it not be considered possible for reptiles to grow to lengths comparable to the creatures that we have found dinosaur fossils of?

In the sense that birds are dinosaurs then yes and we still live with the dinosaurs. A chicken dinner and your Thanksgiving meal is dinosaur meat.

@InspiringPhilosophy

8 ай бұрын

Well sure, but that is not what most people mean when they talk of dinosaurs

@rj_corvo

8 ай бұрын

@@InspiringPhilosophy can you do a part two to this touching on behemoth and leviathan in the book of Job and this interview by the BBC touching on soft tissue found in dinosaur fossils (3m 18s clip): kzread.info/dash/bejne/lIdqtrqhj8XeaLQ.htmlsi=KZS-l5RVPsoh-vfE These are some of the young earth claims I've come across that I'd love to see arguments against.

@501Mobius

8 ай бұрын

So you are saying dinosaur tastes like chicken?

@madwhitehare3635

8 ай бұрын

Birds are a kind, reptiles are a kind. The more we learn about DNA, the more ridiculous macro-evolution becomes.

@Zebhammer

8 ай бұрын

Evidence for birds from dinosaurs.. ZERO.. blind faith

There are some interesting things to note about this conversation. First, if we are going to conclude that most of these stories can be chalked up to myth and fable, we still have to do something with the book of Job and the mention of some of these creatures being Fire breathing, or so it would seem to imply. Second, it seems to be a trend in modern culture that when we can’t explain the beliefs of people in the past, we determine that they were foolish, ignorant, or imaginative and that we have a superior insight, even though we can no longer define what a man or woman is. Third, it is interesting to me that people who hunted for their food wouldn’t be able to distinguish between the bones of a regular common mammal and that of a different creature. It is not impossible that they were in error but I think it is presumptive to write them off as unknowledgeable. Fourth, it’s hard to throw Ancient Greece in the same category as ancient Israel as Greek lore rested heavily on untested and unwitnessed deity while the existence of Christ has textual evidence, eyewitness testimony and even irreligious corroboration; Jesus himself held to the Old Testament text as authoritative leaving us with the passages in Job and the passages about giants that must be dealt with. I hope scientists and theologians never get weary of grinding out answers but it must be done with honesty.

@MrSeedi76

8 ай бұрын

I don't think the book of Job necessarily describes a dinosaur. If they really lived together with humans, we'd expect to find much, much more evidence for that. Like cave paintings, etc. Apart from that, I agree with what you wrote.

@vedinthorn

8 ай бұрын

Job only contains two references to mythological creatures, and both were well known in other, even older, religious texts at the time. It's far more likely that they are being referenced for poetic reasons than taxonomical ones.

@vedinthorn

8 ай бұрын

​@@The_Bored_Theist-jq5roHave Ben Stanhope's book?

@benjaminwatt2436

8 ай бұрын

@@vedinthorn The problem i have with trying to explain away the Job references is the animals are in the center of a list of known real animals. Also all the animals on the list are meant to show the power of God the creator of the said animals. I find it strange that the list would include fake animals to glorify God as creator. Wouldn't it be much more reasonable that a few of the dinos survived and people passed down legends about them?

@vedinthorn

8 ай бұрын

@@benjaminwatt2436 they are definitely in no such list. Job 40 and 41 are not lists of animals.

My favorite example is the area where the town of Klagenfurt, Austria was founded at. The Lindwurm dragon had been slain by a knight or group of knights in the 1200s. The dragon’s swamps were later drained, and the town of Klagenfurt was founded. So, when a giant skull of an unknown animal was unearthed in a local quarry circa 1335, the locals just knew it was Lindwurm’s. The relic was kept in the townhall. It wasn’t until 1840 that the skull was identified as the cranium of an Ice Age woolly rhinoceros; nine years later it became one of the first exhibits the Naturhistorisches Landesmuseum. It’s still on display.

To be fair, scientists still occasionally construct creatures out of a single bone.

@Steelmage99

7 ай бұрын

Please don't perpetuate that old creationist lie....

@Steelmage99

7 ай бұрын

@@erikolson8196 No.

@annoyingorangefanclub

6 ай бұрын

@@Steelmage99 yes they did lol

@Steelmage99

6 ай бұрын

@@annoyingorangefanclub Example?

@annoyingorangefanclub

6 ай бұрын

@@Steelmage99 everyone here agrees they did, why don't you prove how they didn't?

I don't have a firm conviction on young earth or old earth, yet I find it odd that Inspiring Philosophy references the "scientific concensus" as if it's the uniform and undisputed conclusion. Dr. James Tour (a world renowned organic chemist) has spoken much about how academic concensus is manufactured by drowning out dissenting voices & how so much of the foregone concensus among scientists is more akin to indoctrination into a set of assumptions without being able to harmonize contradictions. A specific example of this would be the dozens of supposedly 10s of millions of year old dinosaur specimens which have been found to contain soft tissue, because the bones never fully fossilized.

@chinmeysway

2 ай бұрын

what the… soft tissue? no fossils have soft tissue. that doesn’t make any actual sense!

Why fundamentalists wish to insultingly simplify God’s work and insist His revelation to us must be as simple as possible is not only ridiculous, it’s self centered and insulting to God.

@trust_in_jesus

8 ай бұрын

Well said brother/sister ❤

I tend to think the answer is more the in middle but I like the presentation. YEC make crazy leaps in logic to confirm their beliefs. But I also think that there is a possibility that supernatural creatures were involved to create those legends. To argue otherwise suggests that bones were found then stories like "my grandpa told me a story about how he had to fight a dragon everyday when he went to the market"

I was half-expecting another short response to a ridiculous Tik Tok video when I saw the thumbnail. This is a pleasant surprise, can’t wait to see it! You’re truly a blessing, IP!

@narrowistheway77

8 ай бұрын

He’s not a blessing. Biblically speaking, he’s the exact opposite for your faith, a curse. Be wary of false teachers like him. He’s applying the same forms of philosophy the Bible tells us to completely avoid

Another amazing message from Michael Jones. ❤GOD BLESS YOU ❤

Keep up the great content man! Always love seeing your videos. God Bless

This is a great perspective,thx IP

Big hole in your argument is it’s common to find fossilized dinosaur bones with existing ligaments and tendons. It’s impossible to claim they are millions of years old and yet find ligaments present

@IAmAlpharius20

5 ай бұрын

​@@TheBoredTheist there is no research proving your claim, either. In fact, have we tested it? No? Is it testable? No again?

@IAmAlpharius20

5 ай бұрын

@@TheBoredTheist no, it doesn't work like that. YOU have to show evidence that an animal can be preserved for millions of years. That is how science works.

@IAmAlpharius20

5 ай бұрын

@@TheBoredTheist you made the claim, and then deleted your comment shortly afterwards when I responded. Most likely hoping I wouldn't remember. Your claim was, basically: research suggests that dinosaur corpses can be preserved for millions of years. First off, who did this research? Scientists who deny God? Why are we using their research? And secondly, can we prove that this research is correct via testing?

@IAmAlpharius20

5 ай бұрын

@@TheBoredTheist ideal preservation conditions? What are those "conditions"? Formaldehyde? We just jumped from animals being buried under tons of silt and rock....to being preserved in formaldehyde. What?

@IAmAlpharius20

5 ай бұрын

@@TheBoredTheist so you're digging yourself into a hole? By lying? Lol. Why. Should. We. Trust. Atheists? Answer me. These men deny God, call us cultists, and yet you think their research is going to help us?

a basic internet search shows mankind did in fact make artwork, figurines, and pottery in the shape of known dinosaurs so it's rather clear they saw some of them. Just type in "ancient depictions of dinosaurs" and clear depictions of most known dinosaurs will come up.

@ethannollola1613

Ай бұрын

sorce please

@phillipharrington9201

Ай бұрын

@@ethannollola1613 like is said, just look up ancient depictions of dinosaurs before you commit a genetic fallacy asking for sources.

@ethannollola1613

Ай бұрын

@@phillipharrington9201 ok thnaks

Great video InspiringPhilosophy!

Thank you, IP. This video is much needed

But there are things like pottery that have accurate depictions of some dinosaurs. How do we reconcile that if there wasn’t some dinosaurs that were still present with humans to some degree a few thousand years ago?

@opticalraven1935

8 ай бұрын

Examples of the pottery.

@captainobvious2435

8 ай бұрын

One that got me was the stegosaur carving in Cambodia. However someone named Glen Kuban debunked it by just pointing out the so called spikes on the back was a background art decoration they used even on other carvings like birds or what resembled birds, but YEC doesn't point that out.

@gabechacon8375

7 ай бұрын

@@captainobvious2435 stegosaurus cave drawings have been found on 6 continents

@captainobvious2435

7 ай бұрын

@@gabechacon8375 source? Too much false information circulating and it's sad Christians are the ones doing it.

@highroller-jq3ix

6 ай бұрын

@@gabechacon8375 Except no.

You do not have to be a young creationist to believe that some dinosaurs survived the last extinction event. There are just to many ancient cultures recording such creatures.to be easily dismissed. We rely too much on scientists to interpret the past.

@perfectpeace00

8 ай бұрын

last extinction event, u mean the flood or what are you referring to?

@colinsmith1288

8 ай бұрын

@@perfectpeace00 When a gigantic meteor hit the earth some 65 million years ago. There are people in the congo who have reported seeing a dinosaur like creature in the recent past. I believe some smaller dinosaurs managed to survive that extinction event.

@gypsyboomer

8 ай бұрын

How would you interpret the past?

@colinsmith1288

8 ай бұрын

@gypsyboomer Be opened minded. Scientist are too quick to dismiss what does not fit with their evolutionary narrative.Our ancestors may have truths that do not fit with a modern narrative.Cyclops could have been based on on a giant with only one good eye or a genetic abnormality.

@randomango2789

8 ай бұрын

@@colinsmith1288There’s no dinosaur hiding in the Congo. It’s a tourist trap that the locals use to build their economy. “Trey The Explainer” made a video debunking this.

Keep up the good work my friend! Fascinating stuff

This makes a lot of sense. It also reminded me of a video by Jonathan Pageau called "Dragons are More Real than Dinosaurs." The dragon is basically a stranger, a chaotic presence, where the categories of what properly exists break down. Hence why they are depicted as hybrids of lizards, dogs, snakes, etc. Meanwhile we have scientific species of dinosaurs, but we only have fragmented remains we reconstruct them from. We aren't fully sure what they looked like or how they behaved, though paleontologists have given us some clues.

Thank you man Great video ❤

I swear I remember reading about people in either Poland or (at the time) Lithuania finding what was probably the jawbone of a predatory dinosaur and hanging it in a local castle thinking it was a dragon's skull.

People all have a memory of the dragon, most cunning of creatures, that was cast down and forced to crawl upon its belly. Why is the serpent forced to crawl? It could no longer fly.

Astonishing how far humanity's knowledge has come

@gabechacon8375

7 ай бұрын

@@theguyver4934 good luck. You will spend forevermore with allah in the lake of fire Allah is not God, but a Little god, the devil. Ha sa tan.

@gabechacon8375

7 ай бұрын

@@theguyver4934all Muslims are keeping the fires of hell going. Repent, Jesus' Christ is THE ONLY WAY. there's not much time left

Surely humans have accidentally discovered at least a couple fossils before the modem era.

Etymologically speaking, the mosausaurs actually can still be called dragons, as the word meant originally great serpents. These big monsters were actually related to the monitor lizards of today, one of which we call a dragon, the kommodo dragon, and these lizards are closely related to snakes.

Its interesting that all the drawings and paintings of dragons don't look anything like any dinosaur.

If they lived alongside actual dinosaurs , there would be pictures of dinosaurs , not dragons

I alway's like to think of this argument in the sense that Ancient Humans where not wrong to think giants and monsters once roamed the earth, they found evidence of it after all. They where merely mistaken about the species of these creatures. Even still, while I broadly agree with your video, we used to think the Kraken was a mythological creature, yet it turns out, it's a very real species (albeit slightly exaggerated). On top of that some species of what we may rightly call aquatic Dinosaur have been found living today, or to have been living within the period of time humans have existed, or even within recorded history. It seems to me highly possible even plausible that some of these creatures continued to exist well into the period in which early man rose up and established dominance over the earth. Though one could argue the only reason those aquatic creatures continue to exist, was due to their aquatic nature. Still i think it is better not to rule out the possibility. Though we should not assume it to be so like Young Earth Creationists seem to do.

@thomasecker9405

8 ай бұрын

As an Old Earth Creationist myself, I highly agree with this statement! We, alongside the YEC, shouldn't jump the gun concerning possibilities about why the ancients thought the things they did.

@lanesmith1465

8 ай бұрын

I'm sure some of the less extreme cryptids/mythical creatures probably exist, like Yeti and the other apes. Some of the more fantastical ones, like dogmen, may be demons having a bit of fun.

@malekith13

8 ай бұрын

@@thomasecker9405 Sadly the whole old earth creation is nonsense since according to the bible death only came in the world when adam and eve sinned, so... if death wasn't a thing before... how did you get millions of years of dead creatures ?

@dodleymortune4312

8 ай бұрын

Why did they have flood stories all over the world where a small number of people ( 2 to 9) survived in a ship or construction made of wood and then repopulate the whole earth ?

@thomasecker9405

8 ай бұрын

@@dodleymortune4312 Well, with the explanation given in the video concerning the dragon myths, if we follow its logic, it's likely that similar vast floods occurred in these lands, as well, and as such, recorded them in similar fashions to the Genesis account. I genuinely think that it's a combination of both this explanation and the possibility that God supernaturally enhanced these floods into one Global Flood...

The issue with this is that not only are there reports of dragon remains, but also live dragons. These don't just apply to ancient and medieval stories like St. George, but even modern sightings. I've heard legends where "flying snakes" were reported harassing riverboats on the Mississippi. There's a couple possibilities regarding what's going on here, but they don't fit nicely into materialist or modern Christian (either YEC or otherwise) cosmologies.

@highroller-jq3ix

6 ай бұрын

Is there anything like real evidence for that nonsense?

@echoecho3155

6 ай бұрын

@@highroller-jq3ix Like most things in life, that depends on what you'll admit as "real evidence" and the metaphysics you subscribe to.

@highroller-jq3ix

6 ай бұрын

@@echoecho3155 Except no. Not all things in life are interchangeable or interchangeably based on interchangeable standards of evidence. Subscribing to "metaphysics" doesn't alter evidence. That's why we can have criminal forensics, a scientific method, and the ability to choose a Honda over a Hyundai.

@highroller-jq3ix

6 ай бұрын

@@echoecho3155 The puree button on my blender enacts exactly the same mechanical function regardless of what metaphysics of the week I bring to the situation, and the confirmatory evidence remains the same as well.

@echoecho3155

6 ай бұрын

@@highroller-jq3ix I do agree generally, but in my life, I've found many beliefs people hold stem from personal preferences and preconceived axioms (metaphysics). For example, do you want _scientific_ proof of dragons? Then you're locked into a naturalist/materialist metaphysic or paradigm, and can refute claimed evidence not out of a standard of evidence, but because that evidence doesn't meet the paradigm. If a phenomenon doesn't exist within a naturalist/materialist metaphysic, then it cannot be observed using the tools of that paradigm.

Thank you, very helpful and as per other comments I too had never considered this perspective.

Awesome video!

0:01 to me, it seems more like a categorization error. It is like Europeans have a dragon legend and see quite different creatures from elsewhere in the world and just categorize them as dragons and poof, dragons everywhere. Like the Giant and/or Magical Snake legends of Hausa, Swahili and Ethiopia describes creatures quite different from the dragon from Europe myth and fantasy the Japanese Ryuu and Chinese Long are even more distant from either being described more like Chimeras than a Euro dragon or Hausa giant Snake. Even within Europe, the World Serpent of he Norse is quite a different creature from the sort of dragon St. George is said to have slain. So to me it is largely alot of different creatures with the similarities largely limited to being in some way based on being a giant scaley creature and giant scaley creatures appearing in several different peoples myth isn't surprising.

More or less, I think you're correct. I do think that some of the less fantasical cryptids like, yeti's and other apes might be real or once have been. As for the more fantastical ones, I wouldnt put it past the demons to try and have a little fun in whatever shape the please.

@Human-hs8sp

8 ай бұрын

No. it's thanks to the highly trained cryptis deterrent teams that you don't see any Mermaids, Phantom beasts or Bigfeet around. (But in seriousness, we don't know how much restraint God places on the fallen angels beyond what's written in Job for the most part.)

@DrAwesomeGamer

8 ай бұрын

Do you say something like Bigfoot was real at one time? Cuz how do we know that Bigfoot isn't just Shaquille O'Neal's like long lost cousin or like that it got lost when young

@lanesmith1465

8 ай бұрын

@@DrAwesomeGamer Becuase apes bigger than Bigfoot have existed historically. Look at gigantopithecus

@lanesmith1465

8 ай бұрын

@@Human-hs8sp We can make some reasonable inferences from cases of demonic possession, false gods, and cultural takes of evil spirits.

Thank you for presenting this so clearly!

Nicely presented and very logical👍👍👍

Thank you for this video. The history of dragon legends fascinates me. It is interesting to note the artist depictions of mythic creatures and how they have changed through the centuries. As well as living animals that could lend inspiration such as crocodiles, large snakes, and spitting cobras. But the sheer magnitude of dragon imagery and belief throughout the world leads me to start thinking that misidentifying fossils alone isn't enough explanation. I don't agree with the young earth model but wonder if belief in dragons could have existed before any fossil was found to enforce such a belief. I doubt you will return to this topic in future videos but please keep doing what you do.

@stevefraley4283

8 ай бұрын

Check out the book “Return of the Dragon” by Lewis Ungit. He makes a good case that dragon legends are linked to psychedelics used in pagan spiritual practices. People throughout history in cultures all over the world have encountered serpentine creatures when they have practiced what the Bible calls “pharmakeia” in Greek, though it is translated as “sorcery” in English. Cultures that are given over to this eventually practice human sacrifice, as influenced by the demands of these entities.

@lanesmith1465

8 ай бұрын

The way I see it is that demons can take any shape they want to.

@yakubduncan9019

8 ай бұрын

See, I do anthropology. I've looked into "dragon" stories outside of Europe and Asia, and the fact is, there aren't that many "dragons" out there. The problem is, any time we find a story about a larger-than-average snake, we slap the label "dragon" onto it. I don't think this is wrong to do (drakon does, after all, mean snake), but claiming that it means that dragons existed ignores the more logical explanation that snakes existed, and we tend to exaggerate encounters with them (this is further exemplified by the fact that regions without snakes, like Polynesia, do not have "dragon" legends).

@paulking8491

8 ай бұрын

@@yakubduncan9019 thank you for the response. That is very interesting about Polynesia. It makes me wonder at regions that have very few or very small snakes as the only reptile but still have a folk lore tradition of giant serpents. (Specifically Scandinavia) I agree that it makes sense to categorize all large serpent tales as "dragon" because deception of the four legged winged fire breathing monster is a relatively recent image (I believe starting in the 14rh or 15th century but I need to source that). I wonder if the tendency to depict serpents as gigantic was originally a visual way of showing importance. Just like a child drawing will scale things based on personal value. Perhaps past cultures depicted serpents as gigantic so it was easier to recognize something dangerous in the wild. Which would make sense in northern Europe where the Common Adder is so prevalent. Which would be an interesting comparison with parts of India where real life giant serpents are more prevalent and depicted in benevolent forms like the Naga. What do you think of this?

@yakubduncan9019

8 ай бұрын

@@paulking8491 I think your speculation is mostly pretty sound. There is some pretty interesting research on dragons in comparative mythology (the Bible project podcast is doing a series on the dragon in the Bible compared with other Near-Eastern myths, and there's a great book called Indo-European Poetry and Myth by ML West). I think serpents are always pretty ambiguous in mythology and religion. Even within the Bible, you have both the snake that tempted Eve and the bronze serpent that protected the Israelites. I'd say the most common theme for mythical snakes is that they represent powerful forces that are at least partially hidden from humans, both evil and benign (potentially reflecting how snakes are both dangerous and can easily hide from humans). But I tend to quite careful about making sweeping generalisations, since IP is full of examples of where this can go wrong (check out his shorts)

if you also think about it, there is no way humans would be able to live and compete with dinosaurs on this planet. just looking at sauropods that got insanely big they would have outcompeted humans for grazing space and resources. plus if you look at what was living in the seas, you can`t honesty say humans would have had a stable maritime trade living with marine reptiles. and human villages would be wiped out easily by packs of theropods

@gabechacon8375

7 ай бұрын

There's no way??? Yet there was. A lot of the dinos got wiped out in the flood. It was Gods plan. They were genetic freak hybrids that should not have been created, along with the giants

even as a yec, i have loved your channel for years, even before i was saved. i am guessing that maybe it just wasn't within the scope of this video, but i know a yec will immediately think "what about findings of dinosaur and human footprints nearby each other? wouldn't that mean something?", so it would be nice if you could do a video on that.

@BalladOfLooks

8 ай бұрын

I think the standard response to this is just that sometimes things look like other things without actually being those things. There are endless videos online now about how some indent in a rock looks like a giant footprint, or how mountains look like giant tree stumps, etc., but we all know that one cloud that looks like a bunny isn't actually a bunny. Same thing with the human/dino footprint overlaps: they look like footprints that overlap, but they're just not.

That moment when you literally use “it’s not very very likely” to “debunk” a claim

You could have added how the chinese had legends of dragons' bones and how they would grind the fossils to make medicine, thinking that would cure them and give them magical powers.

@jlovenotzri

8 ай бұрын

Also couldn't one add the psychological mythos that snakes were the natural enemy of our ape ancestors thus making it natural that even as we left the jungles to the plains, we would carry that "trauma" of being hunted by snakes, therefore the mythological being embedded in our subconscious psyche.

The video presents a somewhat reasonable hypothesis until one realizes they've been finding soft tissue in dinosaur bones. Evidence can't be cherry picked. It has to be viewed as a whole. In this case, the history of "dragons" must be considered in conjunction with soft tissue findings, etc. They postulate that iron deposits could have enabled some sort of "hyper" preservation over tens of millions of years, but there's not enough iron to make this theory plausible. It's a weak, untenable explanation. The far more plausible explanation is that the bones are indeed young. Simple as that. The soft tissue they're finding matches the tissue found in other animal bones known to be young. But of course, young T-Rex bones don't match the "billions of years" required for evolution theory to hold, so the obvious conclusion is hand-waved away. It's textbook question begging - much like the hypothesis presented in this video. The more plausible explanation for "dragon" stories all over the world is that dragons are indeed dinosaurs that coinhabited the earth along with humans - just like millions of animals in existence today who are equally capable of ripping us to shreds. Our superior intelligence is what has enabled us to survive and thrive regardless of the countless dangers in this world.

@AleskyMaxomovishPeshkov

7 ай бұрын

you do know that humans back then were short, ugly and deformed, right? Just look at all the facial reconstructions of people who lived back then 😅. Also there just isnt any evidence that humans and dinosaurs coexisted i'm sorry

@tubecated_development

6 ай бұрын

Can you please name the ‘soft tissue’ specimen you are referencing?

Never confuse wisdom with knowledge. Least you become arrogant. The the most intelligent person in a room is the one with most confidence.

It’s also important to know that dragons would vary in behaviour across cultures. European dragons and Asian dragons Are very different. If dragon stories were based off actual encounters, why would the Chinese think of the dragons as wise and Godlike while Europeans would see them as demonic and antagonistic?

@gabechacon8375

7 ай бұрын

Because china is satanic??????

@tubecated_development

6 ай бұрын

In China: RED DRAGONS Represent Lucky and good fortune BLACK DRAGONS Represent evil or revenge WHITE DRAGONS Symbolize purity and virtue BLUE AND GREEN DRAGONS Symbolize the approaching of spring, new life, and plant growth YELLOW DRAGONS Represent wisdom, good fortune, and power GOLDEN DRAGONS Symbolize wealth, prosperity, strength, harvest, and power

If you take the skeletons of animals that exist today and show them to someone who had never seen most of these animals before, what conclusion would they come to? Would they look at the skeletons of a bear, a wolf or even something like a giraffe and reasonably be able to draw something that actually looks like what those animals do today? More likely than not, they would assume the skeletons are an indication of how the creatures looked with flesh so even someone today would be unable to accurately predict what these animals looked like with so little information to go off of. Is it any surprise that this problem was a thousand times worse in the ancient world when dealing with the bones of creatures millions of years old, never mind animals contemporary to them?

@paolobagatella8556

8 ай бұрын

I think people would understand this better after they see the skull of a hippo. Seriously, how many people would look at it and say "That's a hippo!" without prior knowledge?

@dakotastein9499

8 ай бұрын

yet these early civilizations that had little to no grasp on anibology ot catagorization...some of which would never have even seen a large reptile.... correctly assumed they were the bones of giant reptiles, albeit embellished ones? when poeple find criptic or unfamiliar things like skelitons,if they dont have the knowledge,then they will instead ascociate it with something familiar....so what was it they wer comparing these giant extinct animals too? its hard to believe that so many poeple would be lucky enough to come up with such a guess.

@matthewmusgrave6673

7 ай бұрын

What are your thoughts on Marco Polo's description of what sounds like a T-Rex, and how the people in that region of China would hunt and kill them? No one denies the many other animals Marco Polo described in his travels, yet many deny that one description of the large reptilian creature with a mouth big enough to swallow a man and that had small front legs.

My 6 year old got a creation booklet from a church we visited last Sunday, when we got home he told me “they got it all wrong, there’s a dinosaur there with Adam and Eve!” 😅😅😅 Growing up in a strictly YEC family, I felt proud of him for critically thinking about this

@swancman

8 ай бұрын

Smart kid!

@mattb4249

8 ай бұрын

Do you also hold the belief that humans evolved from lower life forms even though there is no evidence from scientific observation this is possible? Darwinian evolution is a belief that s presented as scientific fact.

@ruchi750

8 ай бұрын

@@mattb4249 I believe God created the world and everything in it. How exactly he did it, I don’t know and what I communicate to my child is exactly that- we don’t know exactly. There are different theories and different possible explanations. What it resent about my YEC upbringing is not the rejection of evolution in itself, but the utter dismissal of any other explanation besides exactly what Ken Ham says. I prefer that my child learns of all the explanations and figures for himself what he thinks.

@mattb4249

8 ай бұрын

Evolutionary thinking that humans evolved from bacteria through death or that God created humans and everything from the beginning and called it good? Both views are based on a belief, but which belief is true?

@Charlie94781

8 ай бұрын

@@mattb4249 evolution has been proven

There was a story of an explorer returning from Africa to Europe and trying to describe a giraffe to a crowd. Just imagine how hard a verbal description of that would be... a four-legged horse like creature as tall as a house, covered in spots, with a foot long purple tongue and small fuzzy horns. You'd think the guy was having an acid trip. There was some suggestion that a unicorn could be the same, that someone trying to describe a rhino would say it's a large horse like creature with a single horn on its head. There are so many weird and wonderful creatures in this world, just trying to accurately describe them is challenging. A walrus? Platypus? narwhal? Elephant?

Incredibly thankful for this channel. Thank God for your existence.

A logical argument.

@stevelenores5637

8 ай бұрын

Not all dinosaurs were large. Some were smaller than cats. In other words 'large creatures' does not equal 'dinosaurs'.

Any other Floridians agree that alligators are dinosaurs?

@PokeMaster03

7 ай бұрын

Not just alligators but crocodiles and komodo dragons as well.

@t700e

7 ай бұрын

Yes 🐊😂

This is a theory that I've entertained for many years now, just like you said, that our dragon legends came from people in history finding fossilized remains, and that if we find those remains now, how much more common would it have been to find some of those remains earlier in history where less of the world and it's contents was explored or discovered?

What software do you use to make your videos?

What about leviathan? Job talks about fire coming from his mouth. Did job find a fossil and conclude it was breathing fire?

@MrSimpoge

8 ай бұрын

Same with Behemoth

@GEES44DC

8 ай бұрын

​@@MrSimpogediscussed in detail in the comments.

@TrivialCoincidence

8 ай бұрын

Isn't Leviathan a chaos monster, rather than an actual being?

@GEES44DC

8 ай бұрын

@@tylersoto7465 Sigh.

I like this channel and watch every video you put out I believe. I have a question about why you seem to go after young earth creationists so often (seemingly)? I am not young or old earth, God made it and put me here and I have no idea when or why he did it the way He did it. However or whenever God put us here is so far beyond my comprehension that I just stand amazed. If we can understand the way He does things or even how he exits in Trinitarian form He wouldn't be God. I like Answers in Genesis too.

@MrSeedi76

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm a bit undecided sometimes, too. Evolution definitely has a lot of issues to solve. And I think the Bible doesn't state clearly how much time passed before that first day of creation. I think somehow we might be able to reconcile the idea that the history of the human race is actually much shorter but the earth still old. I also think that the 6,000 year model of Judaism might be true. 2,000 years of chaos, before creation, 2,000 years of Torah, and 2,000 years of messianic age which started either with Jesus's birth or death. I'd guess his death. (that's of course not part of the Jewish idea but Shalom Ben-Chorin mentioned it in his book about Paul).

@scottylamm9673

8 ай бұрын

I can’t speak for Mr Jones but for me, one of the biggest issues with current YEC groups is the all or nothing approach they take to scripture. They tell us over and over again that if we don’t believe in the literal 6 day creation account then we don’t believe in Gods word. They rail against anyone who doesn’t share that view. The age of the earth shouldn’t be a salvation issue but to them it is.

@colmortimer1066

8 ай бұрын

@@MrSeedi76 Old Earth Creation and Evolution are 2 different concepts. Old Earth Creation looks at it as God made everything, either by creating everything in it's own time or molding new species from the early ones he created, but the key points are, everything started long ago, most things were created before humans, and, most importantly, God created it all, and if anything "evolved" it was done by God. Evolution's main goal is to take God out of the picture. Everything was created naturally, with no mind directing it, and somehow everything just randomly fell into place, to create better and more complex life. Most of evolution's problems can be solved by realizing God did it all, and God could do it without breaking the complex systems that make life function. Sure, both ideas start with the same evidence, but the answers of how it all works are wildly different. And there is some debate as to whether God would have evolved things, or just created new, but similar things.

@jeremybeavon4476

8 ай бұрын

I often contemplate, how creation fits into what the Bible says. If we look at the universe, it is incompatible with Adam and Eve not dying. In particular, the sun will one day explode. So the question is: did God design the universe to be incompatible for sin not entering the world? Or did sin change the laws of physics? The size of the earth could also be an issue if no one ever sinned and died because we run out of space if every generation doubled in size and no one died. Romans 8:19-21 says: "All creation is waiting eagerly for that future day when God will reveal who his children really are. Against its will, all creation was subjected to God's curse. But with eager hope, the creation looks forward to the day when it will join God's children in glorious freedom from death and decay." All creation includes stars and space as well as this earth, so maybe God's curse of sin did change things significantly. Either way, Jesus rose from the dead and a new creation awaits us.

I would add that there are very good carvings, drawing and other examples of early artwork that depict animals that bear remarkable likeness of some dinosaurs. These are not poor reconstructions of dinosaur fossils. Victorian era scientists could barely reconstruct dinosaur bones accurately (see the Crystal Palace Victorian era dinosaur reconstructions from the mid 1800s). Yet written accounts of people - even soldiers, fighting and killing menacing dragons (almost always reptilian), were recorded by Greeks, Romans, Britons and the Scandinavians. The last dragon in England was encountered in 1867 in a wooded area near the town in Fittleworth, Sussex. This was 25 years after the word 'Dinosauria' was invented.

@aallen5256

5 ай бұрын

Not true, there’s a much more recent sighting - March, 1934. Coastguard Wilkinson Herbert saw a dragon on Filey beach and it was reported in the Telegraph.

Great video.

Excellent video. It is disheartening to see Christians so divided over the "how" God created life. I do not see Genesis as a science textbook, nor science as a theology guide. We all need a better understanding of how ancient Hebrew tradition became the text we have, and how it was understood back then, to see it in perspective. I am grateful to Dr Heiser for teching that.

there are also many species of large reptiles that still exist to this day. the Crocodilians (Crocodiles, Alligators, Caimans, et cetera), the Dragons aka Monitor Lizards, so many snake species including some really large boys, etc. there's even a species called the Chinese Crocodile Lizard (Shinisaurus Crocodilurus). it's a very small species, but it isn't a stretch of the imagination that these ancient people groups might come across these guys. come across fossils of their much larger cousins. and come up with what we now call the "Chinese Dragon". there's even been experimentation where a single gene in either a Crocodile or Alligator's genome was activated, and it grew feathers. this is functionally: the Quetzalcoatl. (or at least, it's theorized to be possible. & easy enough to do. it's possible a gene mutation in South American Alligators was activated, and a feathered variety existed many thousands of years ago. although i don't think there is any evidence of this. so it's basically pure speculation.)

@gabechacon8375

7 ай бұрын

That's 100% bull squat. No possibly way for Crocs or gators to sprout wings. STfu

Crecganford’s channel did a video on origins of dragons. Basically they were snake legends that went through the power of time.

fascinating. Does inspiring philosophy have a detailed explanation for how flood myths became so prevalent?

@tubecated_development

6 ай бұрын

@@TheBoredTheistHow could that possibly be true!!??11

Even leaving dragons aside, there are many more myths besides dragons that transcend human cultures who would have any connection to each other. Vampires, witches and ghosts among other supernatural evils all share commonalities with similar supernatural folklore and legends ranging from the Americas to Africa to Asia, with these names being the most familiar to us in a European context. Is the global nature of these myths because everyone was reporting the same monsters that actually existed? Well… no. What actually explains this is that all humans have a fear of death, and more generally of the mysterious and the unknown. So we are all going to create stories and familiar images of what those concepts represent. Magic, blood sucking demons and the ability for spirits to remain on earth after death - among others - are all common to the human condition because they appeal to a common yearning for certainty, especially in ancient times where it was nowhere near as simple to explain so much about the natural world. It was simply easier to appeal to the supernatural instead as the fact that it was so inexplicable made it easy to fill in the gaps for people who were trying to understand the natural world. To my knowledge, YECs don’t believe in vampires or witches, but my point is that appealing to folklore as a representation of their actual experiences is foolish. These stories were trying to rationalise the fears they had of the unknown into something they could comprehend, which is why they appear across cultures. Likewise, everyone was trying to explain these ancient skulls and bones they couldn’t begin to comprehend so they created legends around them, or used to justify legends they already had, not because ancient humans in a world less than 10,000 years old lived with dinosaurs.

@paradisecityX0

8 ай бұрын

What does "fear of death" have to do with the price of eggs in China?

@Longshanks1690

8 ай бұрын

@@paradisecityX0 Death is scary so people give faces to what death represents in vampires and invent the idea of ghosts to cope with the idea of life after death. Likewise, giant skulls you don’t recognise are scary so you invent mythical animals to rationalise what they actually were. A similar process for ancient peoples to explain stuff they weren’t capable of understanding yet. Thought the point was very straightforward tbh. 😐

@DaChristianYute

8 ай бұрын

You know that what you’re trying to do here isn’t the same thing and it literally makes no sense right?

@paradisecityX0

8 ай бұрын

@Longshanks1690 Yeah but the actual existence of the afterlife has nothing to do with the development of vampires, minotaurs, etc.

@Longshanks1690

8 ай бұрын

@@paradisecityX0 I… never said it did?

I really like how you always take a scientific approach to Christianity. I have been looking for a church, I have been Christian for years, but church is not something I have really been exposed to, and I have no friends nor family I can tag along with. But around here about half the churches reject my old world creation views, and kind of push me away. While the other half seem to be okay with old earth, but they are also preaching the "virtues" of being LGBT, and even a pro-choice stance, which both mindsets are pretty damaging, and rather anti-christian. It becomes difficult when I can't seem to find a good middle ground that believes Science, History and Theology all work together to find truth. At least, I know I can come here and watch someone who seems to have a firm grasp of how everything works together, with out needing to ignore things that seem objectively true.

@benjaminwatt2436

8 ай бұрын

It can be hard to find a strong Bible based Church. You may consider looking for a group that would like to meet in a home. Also consider moving, we move for work and better schools why not a better Christian environment. God bless and hold to the truth of Christ

@narrowistheway77

8 ай бұрын

If you really want to grow in your faith, just go with what the Bible actually teaches. According to the Bible, this channel is applying fake science and the exact types of philosophy we are told to avoid completely to make his arguments. He’s trying to inspire philosophy, not faith. His end will be according to his works, I wouldn’t recommend following his path, take a Biblical path instead

@colmortimer1066

8 ай бұрын

​@@narrowistheway77 Christ has guided me to truth, Christ is truth. I found Christ though science. Science, History and Theology all point to truth...sure you have to watch for people who corrupt science, just like the ancient Jews corrupted the old testament a bit. Any thing man has touched can be false. I find it better to question everything, and you will be guided to the truth if your heart and mind are open. Closing your mind to Science is just as bad as the "scientists" who close their mind off to God. I have thought about trying to believe in a literal translation of the bible, but I would have to deny truth, for a worldly desire to fit in with a church, when Christ seems to be pushing me towards Him and away from, literal interpretations. I do ask near every day to be guided towards the truth, what ever that is, and I have wildly changed my views, as I have been shown, but so far I have seen nothing that say Earth must be 6000 year old. And it seems damaging to turn off people who may be less solid in their faith than I am, because we agree on most every thing but the age of the world. I do follow the Gospels, and the New Testament pretty much entirely, but unless you are sacrificing your lambs in the right way, I think we can agree some of the first few books my have been not as correct as it could be. At the end of the day I believe the Bible is 90-95% correct...just not 100%.

@MrCusefan44

8 ай бұрын

I’m curious if you have investigated the Catholic Church, since it sounds like your view is similar. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, any believer may accept either literal or special creation within the period of an actual six-day, twenty-four-hour period, or they may accept the belief that the earth evolved over time under the guidance of God. In other words, evolution is not a theological issue in their view. Catholic schools also teach evolution with no disclaimers. Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo of Richmond, chair of the Committee on Science and Human Values, wrote in a letter sent to all U.S. bishops in December 2004: "Catholic schools should continue teaching evolution as a scientific theory backed by convincing evidence. At the same time, Catholic parents whose children are in public schools should ensure that their children are also receiving appropriate catechesis at home and in the parish on God as Creator. Students should be able to leave their biology classes, and their courses in religious instruction, with an integrated understanding of the means God chose to make us who we are." Having said all that, it’s possible you had a bad experience with individuals unaware (or uninterested) in the actual church opinion and could have walked away from an encounter with an incorrect perception of what all Catholics believe.

@MrCusefan44

8 ай бұрын

@@narrowistheway77- That’s not “going with what the Bible teaches” - it’s going with your particular interpretation of what the Bible teaches, since you are right and all other interpretations are wrong. You’ve created a false dogma which then drives away potential Christians from the church, all because you are too arrogant and egotistic to charitably consider other views. If you think a literal interpretation of Genesis is correct - that’s fine. But when you advocate for that as a requirement to be a Christian, you are 100% in error and need to abandon that view ASAP.

There's a claim from the Kolbe Center about Grendel (not the dragon) in Beowulf being a T-Rex which is strange because Grendel is supposed to be a descendant of the Biblical Cain.

Yes dinosaurs lived with man, but that was briefly in the 90s. I saw it in that documentary, I believe was called, Jurassic Park!?

Imagine looking at the path of a tornadoe's destruction way back when, before people knew what tornadoes were. I could see how somebody would imagine it had to be giants causing it

@justanotherbaptistjew5659

8 ай бұрын

I seriously doubt there was a long period where people didn’t know about tornadoes.

@stylicho

8 ай бұрын

@justanotherbaptistjew5659 really? I think the opposite. There was no television so you had to depend on everything by word of mouth. If somebody told you that a big twisty cloud or giant person or animal created a path of destruction who would a simpleton believe, plus, that other person would have had to have seen the twisty cloud

Great video. I also saw a few videos from ‘Trey the Explainer’ discussing living dinosaur cryptids and learned some were starters by YEC. He did acknowledge that not all theists support this, maybe you can make a video on your thoughts.

Grazie per il video

I know I’m not likely to get a direct reply from Michael, but I’ll gladly take anyone’s comment on the matter- the one thing that really concerns me about the suggestion that dinosaurs all died before humans came on the scene is that it completely destroys a key theological idea- that is, the fact that before sin, there was no death. I understand that some could say “that just means there was no spiritual death, but physical death still occurred.” Yet… can we really believe that God created a world where creatures could die in horrible ways and called that “good”? If we look forward to a deathless New Heaven and New Earth with a world where living creatures don’t decay and where animals are directly promised to no longer be predator/prey, doesn’t that support the idea that death, even in the case of non-humans = not good? So if dinosaurs died before humans ever lived, what does that tell us about the nature of God’s creative plans? Isn’t it completely counter to the God that we know to call death good?

You'd make an amazing History Channel narrator. Keep up the good work man.

@narrowistheway77

8 ай бұрын

That’s not a glowing endorsement when you know that the spirit behind the History Channel is Lucifer

@gabechacon8375

7 ай бұрын

You would nake a good game show host

@gabechacon8375

7 ай бұрын

Or an actor or politician

Genuinely curious what you do with the Behemoth and Leviathan mentioned in Job.

@beliefbite

8 ай бұрын

They are actually very well understood in scholarship these days. Leviathan in particular represents chaos and evil in the world. Behemoth is a depiction of a "super-ox" that represents all of nature and animal kind.

@willtheperson7224

8 ай бұрын

Leviathan is a Hydra of the eschaton and Behemoth is a chaos creature like an Ox.

Outta all the scientific things out there, this probably tops the charts of what I wish was proven wrong, because I'd like to find some Dinosaurs still roaming the earth, mang.

Doing minimal research. Not just now but the other week from a similar video. The ancient word for dragon was also the word for “a crocodile” I would imagine that perhaps these references like when Daniel fought the dragon (I’m pretty sure that’s not in the actual Bible) it was likely referring to a really big croc

"Did Humans Live With Dinosaurs?" Humans STILL live with Dinosaurs. We call them birds

ARGH! You can always count on science to go and ruin all the fun

@MrSeedi76

8 ай бұрын

True 😊. Sometimes I get that warm and fuzzy feeling, imagining YEC might be true.

Do you know what's funny? If all known elephants were extinct, modern paleontologists would definitely be guessing that this is a one-eyed animal.

we need griffin redesigns that look more like the protoceratops

I used to say IP and William Lane Craig were on par as the best apologists on KZread. This content shows me IP is miles ahead of WLC. WLC is a crowd pleaser, offering apologetics to help people firm up what they already believe. IP actually cares about guiding people to the truth.

How can we debunk Marco Polo's adventure to China? "Here are seen huge serpents, ten paces in length, and ten spans in the girt of the body. At the fore−part, near the head, they have two short legs, having three claws like those of a tiger, with eyes larger than a fourpenny loaf (pane da quattro denari) and very glaring. The jaws are wide enough to swallow a man, the teeth are large and sharp, and their whole appearance is so formidable, that neither man, nor any kind of animal, can approach them without terror." Ch 40. Thomas Wright Translation. I know they can be debunked for the Chinese alligator but they don't have three claws.

@AleskyMaxomovishPeshkov

8 ай бұрын

Than what is it? Doesn't sound like any dinosaur I know

I happen to agree with you, but I think "this is a more probable explanation" is only accurate if you already believe evolution is reasonable. If evolution weren't true and the earth were less than 10,000 years old, perhaps it would seem much more probable that they just saw any number of these creatures and the reason we find bones in those areas is because... well, the creatures were there? Many arguments about probability fall on deaf ears because we simply hold different priors, and so the probabilities don't add up the same for all of us.

Dinosaurs were around in the pre flood world. The Dead Sea Scrolls in the book of the giants talks about monsters roaming the earth in that time

During the Great Depression, a farmer was digging in his land and found both dinosaur and human footprints. After paleontologists had their look, they found the prints to be within the same rock later as each other. This means they lived in the same area around the same time. It is believed that the human was walking through mud and tailing the creature. He reported that one of the people there tried to buy up as much as he could to destroy it, since it challenged his beliefs about dinosaurs and humanity living in different times.

@SneakyEmu

8 ай бұрын

Nice story you made up there. Want to try to provide any evidence of this?.... At all?

@Lucas-yf1es

8 ай бұрын

What is your source?

@Longshanks1690

8 ай бұрын

A farmer in the 20th century discovered footprints in the first few inches of soil preserved for thousands of years, even under the YEC framework, that no one had noticed until him? Yeah I’m gonna ding the BS alarm on that one. Especially with the added and very believable tangent that Big Evolution was trying to cover it all up, I’m not very inclined to believe that one. 😂

@christophersnedeker

8 ай бұрын

Are there pictures?

@TitusCastiglione1503

8 ай бұрын

Source?

There's a solution you're not seeing here: Dragons are real.

Exacly what I try to tell ppl. People been doing the same thing bsck then just differently. It’s just different times and technology. The mind of the human comes up with so much stuff man it’s astonishing

YEC[ish] here. Dragon Bones are not the only explanation. We also have Job chapter 40. This chapter vividly describes a dinosaur that was present during Jobs time. And if the view that Job was written during Abraham's time holds true, then this predates any form of paleontology because the creature is described as having existed to contrast with God's Glory.

@TrivialCoincidence

8 ай бұрын

​@@The_Bored_Theist-jq5roThe channel What Your Pastor Didn't Tell You has a video on Leviathan as well

@GEES44DC

8 ай бұрын

Job is not talking about a dinosaur. This has been dealt with numerous times.