I feel like the superbreak team, not just firefly doing damage should be taken to account. In the Acheron team she's the hypercarry, the rest of the team basically does no damage, while the superbreak team, if enemies are broken the entire team deals massive damage.

@Sonnettt

2 күн бұрын

That's true lol! Galla literally jumpscared me with a 80k super break

@Ben-ji2ln

2 күн бұрын

you can run acheron with kafka and black swan and have meaningful damage and synergy from all 3

@axcelnirmaulana145

2 күн бұрын

​@@Sonnetttin DU gallager deal 3 mil if you have full slot enemy and good break blessing and equation

@dr.shimarin

2 күн бұрын

​@@Ben-ji2ln True, but then acheron lost some of her damage, not to mention they are even more premium units

@jreggrae

2 күн бұрын

Sub dps welt and pela be like:

I'll just say, one of them can kill all 3 trotters and the other can't.

@YoneTubee

2 күн бұрын

That's on point 😂

@thegamewoods8473

2 күн бұрын

One traffic light: You dare challenge me Emenator!?

@XSun999

2 күн бұрын

​@@thegamewoods8473both of them are F

@NEO_ASSASIN

2 күн бұрын

that real fact

@rabbanirahimi8028

2 күн бұрын

Damn true hahaahah

If the devs introduce enemies that can't be broken, they'll practically be killing the whole point of the game just to nerf two characters... 😭

@monkeydspider8203

2 күн бұрын

There already is. Sam gets into no weakness state. Deer gets into that state. Trex takes less toughness damage. Monkey gets into res state

@Sora_SireDora

2 күн бұрын

@@monkeydspider8203 Yeah, but those are windows. I meant enemies that are always non-breakable

@darkhime7005

2 күн бұрын

​​@@monkeydspider8203 enemies like that is fine since there's still a window where we can hit them. But when they make the weakness unbreakable then it will be bad for every character not just break units and the only unit that can be use in that scenario is only 2 which is dhil and acheron since from what i saw only that 2 unit can brute force enemies.

@mohamedabdelhalim21

2 күн бұрын

Tbh I don't think DOT teams are gonna suffer that much Edit: forgot to add think 🤦

@primarina

2 күн бұрын

I think the latest echo boss from penacony is a glimpse of what's coming, multiple toughness bars 💀

Only thing Firefly can't kill is a fking Trotter 💀🗣️‼️

@nekimi__

2 күн бұрын

Fr once the trotter locks it’s weakness it’s joever

@Endaethia

2 күн бұрын

Lol real

@masteradc7859

2 күн бұрын

And if you wonder Yes , Yanxing can freeze enemies with his talent (soulsteel sync ) Read his kit and you will understand

@kelp8749

2 күн бұрын

@@masteradc7859 Yes but Biden also fell of his bike once

@Raikos100

2 күн бұрын

​@@kelp8749 wait, only once?!

Funny trotter and funny traffic light, respectively

Acheron is a absolute monster

@autfan

20 сағат бұрын

My firefly did more then my acheron (Both builded quite good)

All I'm saying is firefly, harmony mc, boothill in divergent universe it broken af

@0v_x0

2 күн бұрын

I'm glad they added break focused blessings using Boothill RM and HMC was really fun

@aarushi2740

2 күн бұрын

fr i cleared protocol six easily w ff

@anastasiaphan4202

2 күн бұрын

Ikr. My Boothill literally just One-shot Bosses

@nyes4596

Күн бұрын

Divergent universe is made for break dps

@PyroManiacOW

Күн бұрын

Acheron practically skips DU

True true... Ill make sure you kneal down Prime Trotter, someday..

@stacy7721

2 күн бұрын

Optimus prime trotter?

@mihacimpric745

Күн бұрын

​@@stacy7721Nah, Trotter Prime "Altars of Apostasy plays"

@hol4ek486

4 сағат бұрын

@@mihacimpric745 Chill with cooking the ideas bro ACT 4 hasn't even released yet

"Acheron needs Pela, and either Jiaoqiu, Silver Wolf or Sparkle" Me using Welt as my 2nd Nihility for Acheron: 👀

@edge9323

22 сағат бұрын

YOO SAME (I have my Pela and welt at lvl 60 lmao while I min maxed my acheron to have raw 233 critdamage and 55 critrate while having a Natasha as sustain 💀 but I'm planning on getting my second team before I fully build both nihility)

@sinosikell

21 сағат бұрын

@@edge9323 i Mean, the current team works. But I AM planning to get Silver Wolf if she reruns. Just because she works with a lot of teams.

@neon-i-i-i

18 сағат бұрын

Me with a lvl 70 gui 😮, but I have an E6 pela,

@VoidBornHuman

14 минут бұрын

same

I would say generally acheron because of her OP insta kill in overworld and SU and the fact that see can end fight quick without needing to worry about something like weakness immunity

Acheron is never getting power creeped, especially with jiaqiu coming

@Saryn.

2 күн бұрын

Let’s come back to this comment in a year

@SUPERsourbum

2 күн бұрын

@@Saryn.mind you, a year. Almost everything will be powercreeped by then.

@oofie4660

2 күн бұрын

​@@SUPERsourbumxiangling will never be powercrept

@ineedmorecarrots6063

2 күн бұрын

​@@Saryn. you sound like a year is only a short time lmao

@ZackBread

2 күн бұрын

​@@oofie4660 give natlan some time..

firefly : no blessings Break dmg : 250k normal dmg : 10k 💀

@nyes4596

Күн бұрын

Normal damage 5-8k

@enanan4

Күн бұрын

normal dmg 2k

@user-ft1ru8jv1z

23 сағат бұрын

Have any body build a crit FF that have good amont of Break dmg?.

@FD-wl7xq

18 сағат бұрын

@@user-ft1ru8jv1zprobably not since that is insanely luck based.To get crit and break aswell as spd? You need the best luck in the whole world for that

"if I can stop one heart from breaking" -> "how many hearts can I break"

As a firefly main i can confirm that ruan mei is expensive 💀

@fireflybestgurl

Күн бұрын

Too expensive for my taste 😭😭

@59foofighter15

17 сағат бұрын

Just slap on S5 Meshing Cogs frfr

@Senopi989

10 сағат бұрын

I got her in 10 draw after getting firefly 😂😂

@dawsonrussell7846

13 минут бұрын

Got her early after I got fire fly

Also consider that the current mOC has the boss that takes extra damage break damage and upon break takes further enhanced damage. On the other hand, yes she is very consistent. Very good for any fire elite heavy stages because the small fry will get fire implanted.

Firefly can give the enemies fire weakness. NO ENEMY IS SAFE. Code red: SHES SETTING THE SEAS ABLAZE

She didn't powercreep her she is for the second side of the moc

Me who Owns both and just pulled for ruan mei as F2p 🗿🍷

@tyreesenelson9159

7 сағат бұрын

Seeing everyone fight, while I have both, ruan mei and boothill is hilarious, while being f2p

Jiaoqiu isn't even out yet xD

kids choose, adults take all

@quocanh4977

2 күн бұрын

it just a joke so dont take everything seriously

@sweet_rain8352

2 күн бұрын

Fr

@axcelnirmaulana145

2 күн бұрын

so real for that, my both meta waifu team

@hpyienagui6092

2 күн бұрын

In my experience, Kids would actually take all if not controlled by adults to choose.. 😂

@FriendOfHatkid

2 күн бұрын

True. My lucky ass got Acheron, Ruan and Fly now as an accident. I was intending to skip her cuz I have not materials. Guess gotta go to the mines to farm.

"You can tell, because of how many hearts she's broken"😭

Another point, one of acheron selling point is her technique

@SoggySub

15 сағат бұрын

Sure, firefly’s is stronger in an actual fight tho

@hdmaad

14 сағат бұрын

​@@SoggySubFF is incomplete without her teammate, doing ass damages if you don't spend money on her.

@phosyphos5192

13 сағат бұрын

.​@@hdmaad. Well the same can be said to acheron

@user-ii2qt6hj9n

12 сағат бұрын

@@phosyphos5192 not really, i run pela and guin(e0) and still hitting and can still very comfortably clear all content. for reference, moc auto clear 5 cycles, no 5 star lc and no dubes

@Raidenmommy89

11 сағат бұрын

​@phosyphos5192 no it can't you only need her lc and pela and guinafen which are free units mine does 700k consistently

Bro Jiaoqiu didn't even release yet how does acheron need him 💀💀💀

@ImAaronTV

Күн бұрын

Only people who watch leaks know that Suske

@NataliaAgonigi

Күн бұрын

@@ImAaronTV ohh the leaks, of course

@roninhoang3273

18 сағат бұрын

He’s a healer nilhitly

@iforgot4837

16 сағат бұрын

@@roninhoang3273he does not heal

@FireflyIsSamusAranSister

14 сағат бұрын

@@roninhoang3273thats old leak he doesn't heal anymore.

Even after all their dmg they still have a hard counter, one is a traffic light with a shield and the other is a trotter about run

"Hearts she has broken"? Me: daeem that was smooth 😅🔥

Meanwhile the blue dinosaur that started the mechanic: Break me or ur not doing damage be like :"."

@stacy7721

2 күн бұрын

Omg that thing is so annoying to kill. Only if u have firefly it's easier

"Firefly or Acheron?" My brother in Christ I have both

she will never be able to power creep the loading screen 🗣🗣🗣

I’d say the two are somewhat niche DPSes, while Firefly and her team all focus on breaking opponents toughness to deal tons of damage, Acheron’s team is mostly for stacking debuffs to get her ult up quicker for well, more damage The two both have their weaknesses but they still provide a good enough execution for their jobs

We love Acheron, no one will ever beat Acheron. Everyone else is merely an accessory to me

Break immune, shield, magoret...

So nice to have both.

Fire fly is more f2p friendly but Acharon can easily clear any difficulty with correct built even with E0.

Got both of them gotta say firefly really is broken

you want to get technical, they go good with eachother

Both of them will forever be my baby girls

Just got the game 3weeks ago. I am blitzing through the content to get the full Firefly team, but I feel like if there’ll be one character I would truly dedicate to it’ll be Acheron, her playstyle, kit and story I love it all. I think she’ll be the only character I’d E6.

@syedhafiuddin7598

2 күн бұрын

ay bro i started when acheron came out and i got 10 five stars in a month dw bro ull get firefly easily, i lost my 50/50 and then still got acheron and her LC

@29Emel

2 күн бұрын

@@syedhafiuddin7598 how much you spending bro

@saifanitriramadani

Күн бұрын

If you really want to e6 Acheron, I'd say after getting Firefly's team, saved up for her since we are actually getting very close to Acheron rerun. I'll even say to skip Jiaoqiu even though he is very good with Acheron (assuming you're an f2p, if not then do as you see fit)

Ther both gonna break your bed, true words my man, true word

Im so glad i got Ruan Mei on accident back then i feel blessed

Acheron is a beast idk how they will powercreep her

I’ll just say, one of them can kill the traffic light while the other can’t

Just pair Acheron with FireMc with the Topaz lightcone and you'll get Ult stacks rapid fire.

Laughs in space cowboy

I honestly prefer using Acheron over Firefly, because I get the feeling that they are gonna add toughness break immunity enemies with some speed adjustment to out speed us in any end game content (MoC, PF, Etc...), just for the sake of to prevent any chance of super break, Acheron still deals big damage with her ultimate even when there are enemies that dont have lightning weakness.

@silkyhood9024

Күн бұрын

it also apply to Acheron what if they released enemies with high resistance debuffs or immune to debuffs in overall we don’t know what type of enemies they release

@solokingsknight6030

Күн бұрын

@@silkyhood9024 sure that may happen, but she is still usuable even when if her dmg have been have been greatly reduce, whereas Firefly will only deal what her Atk stat she currently has, since her gimmick rely on super break, which she or her team has to break enemies toughness first to begin with.

Firefly, has her ult so fast it bearly matters

Acheron is coming in the new characters’ banner iirc, so I’m hyped since Im a new player so I will definitely be getting her over Clara 2.0 and Sampo 2.0

Better to have many options than only one

Acheron works well with kafka and black swan too though

Hoyo made Break damage the meta now because they Broke most of our wallets into super break damage to upgrade characters to their full potential.

In order to sell new characters, Hoyo will introduce new enemies that makes it harder for previous characters to deal with for example, New Bosses with unbreakable toughness bar (we already have) but worse in the future for break team.

Both are good. Good in different directions

Just run Acheron team one side and Firefly team on the other. Ez 36 stars

Doesn't matter if you have both of them.. ❤❤

I lost the 50/50 and accidentally did 2 pulls on ruane Mai banner and got her E1 off of 2 pity

I’m just gonna say I have Acheron at s1 and have neither silver wolf nor sparkle. Though I can’t clear all endgame yet. For the things I can clear, Acheron does it so easily with welt sustain. My last slot is usually Ruan Mei cause imprisonment is such a strong break and can give you a whole cycle to yourself

Before firefly i was only using acheron tht should tell u how broken she is lol

Game is based on team comps not just a single character.. Break teams rely on super break but since it is granted to the whole team, each member could actually deal good dmg compared to other hyper carty teams..

Firefly literally can still break enemy toughness even without them having fire weakness 😭 I was like wtf thats just on her kit? Lmao

hold up acheron is basically a godmode unit for breaking (her ult weakens no matter what) firefly does her damage mainly to broken enemies...

hell is other people blessing

The only reason i think that Acheron is better then Firefly is because even if the enemy can be weakness broken, there are then enemies who action advance the enemy so even if you do break them they just get their action advanced (looking at the dreamjolt troupe)

Considering Break Gauge of the enemy is one of the main mechanics in combat of Honkai. Investing into superbreak/break dmg feels more like a futureproof instead on the a pure and raw DPS like DHIL and Acheron

Acheron have a literal skip battle button for non boss enemies that alone makes her the best character in HSR,

I have both, and honestly they are good in their own way. Acheron doesn't need to break enemy weakness to deal massive amount of damage, but on the other hand, focusing on breaking enemy's weaknesses is easier than build up stack for acheron.

Apples to Oranges.

I dont even know how luck i am because free 2 play and i have E2

Im still sticking with Mommy acheron

Thats why i say my space cowboy is real

I have never used any other those chars with my acheron…

firefly thighs.

She def powercreep boothill in a lot of content

Can't to choose, have both😅

Honestly both are great and even more great when placed in team together(coming from someone who tested them with each other in new simulation endgame mode) cuz turns out break Acheron is powerful alongside firefly destroying enemies toughness with ruan mei sig buff and her ult giving Acheron more stacks break enemy toughness by firefly and buff it up with ruan mei and harmony mc and you have two monstrous dps best dual dps I ever tryed

Me having Ruan Mei on her first banner be like: yeah...idk if it's expensive 😅

I have both teams RN, all I can say is they are pretty similar in strength

I just spent all my mortal wish to her E1 and Lightcone 💀 Don't you dare mihoyo

me when i got silver wolf and her signature lc in 1.1:

Haha… funny. Well, I guess my account isn’t screwed

No one can beat my Acheron 😍😊

Regardless, nobody can defeat the Aeon of Shields, Automaton Beetle. Even Nanook wouldn't dare to touch it. Qlipoth envies its unbreakable bastion. And its imposing presence shall be remembered by Fuli for eternity. It also trailblazed all over Akivili in 4K-

*Free-to-play friendliness* Firefly is definitely *way* more F2P friendly than Acheron, only wanting SPD, Break Effect%, and ATK, whereas other DPSes would want a variety of stats, such as CRIT Rate%, CRIT DMG%, respective Elemental DMG Bonus%, etc, which makes them harder to build. Additionally, Acheron *really* wants her Signature Light Cone, Along the Passing Shore, since it can give her an extra stack of Slashed Dream when you apply Mirage Fizzle onto an enemy. *Team Versatility* Acheron is way more versatile in team compositions right now, since she'd want just 2 Nihility characters to max out her bonus DMG from her talents, but Silver Wolf and Pela are the most chosen due to providing 100% DEF Reduction on the enemy, shredding their defenses and allowing Acheron to do as much damage as possible. Firefly, however, really wants Harmony MC and Ruan Mei, since Harmony MC gives her an additional Super Break on top of her passive Super Break, as well as more Break Effect%, which increases Super Break DMG, and Ruan Mei because she gives 50% Weakness Break Efficiency on top of Firefly's innate 50% from the Ultimate, which is a total of 100% Weakness Break Efficiency, essentially doubling her Toughness Reduction. If you don't know, Toughness Reduction is also a factor in Super Break DMG, so Ruan Mei's +50% gives a multiplicative multiplier to that DMG. She can also apply Thanatoplum Rebloom when her Ultimate is active, which delays the enemy's action when they try to recover from Weakness Break, allowing Firefly to likely deal an extra instance of Super Break DMG before they gain their Toughness back. *Counters* Acheron definitely has way less counters, with said counters being easily avoided (ex: that traffic light. Just use one of your allies ults on it and that barrier is gone, then just Acheron ult immediately after). Firefly however has the issue of "Weakness Protected" enemies such as Yanqing. This is also where Ruan Mei shines bright, as finally breaking these enemies weaknesses allow Firefly to deal as much damage as she can over a large period of time before they can act again. Luckily however, Harmony MC is free, so there's that issue gone. *DPS Potential* Assuming both Firefly and Acheron are built *perfectly* , it is likely that Firefly will deal more DMG than Acheron, so long as the enemy's toughness is broken. This is because Acheron does a bunch of damage in one go, while Firefly does a good amount of damage over time. The amount of damage Firefly can do is almost equal to that of an Acheron ult (65%~80% of an Acheron Ult's DMG), so having a bunch of those will definitely bring Firefly more DPS in that scenario. However, she does lose substantial DPS when enemies still have their Toughness, much like how Acheron loses substanstial DPS when she doesn't have her Ultimate. In conclusion, both characters are good at dealing a heck ton of DMG: Firefly being a more easier to build DPS but slightly worse brute force potential than Acheron, while Acheron being the opposite of that, being somewhat a hard DPS to build, but can brute force through alot of content in the game. I can also safely say this, because I have both Acheron and Firefly (and I have an E3 Acheron, somehow)

@Azmuth01

2 күн бұрын

Firefly is easier to build? I've seen a lot of people complaining about the new BE relic set dropping a bunch of crit and other unnecessary substats. 😂

@Daverf1f

2 күн бұрын

​@@Azmuth01BE literally has some of the highest drop rate as a substat so🤷 at the same time atk% is also very good on hẻ and it has higher drop rate than crit. Got my firefly's relic set built in just 2 days

@Lksndoi

2 күн бұрын

​@@Azmuth01and what does that have to do with ff being easy to build?

@plang-plang5035

2 күн бұрын

​@@Azmuth01every DPS relic drops wil always hard to get no matter what relic it is. Acheron's relic rarely gives Crits, while FF's rarely gives BE. But talking from my experience, FF is easier

@yozhik_out_of_mist

2 күн бұрын

The point is, you only need to look for two stats in relics, atk% and break effect. You don't even need speed in substats, 140 from boots+traces+planars is enough if you have Ruan Mei (if you don't, you'll need 10 more speed). And you don't have to balance those stats at all. Just get as much as you can. It is SOOOO MUCH EASIER, not to mention much easier main stats in relics

Acheron can kill 3 trotters-

As someone who dont have them; idk 🗣

Yanqing and SAM bosses laughing at the corner

I have both and I haven't break my bank f2p

To counter those 2 isue i use both with hamony trailblazer and any support

Unless you have enough luck in your life

Both are cute and that's the only thing that matters

Good that i have all of them

Ahhh good thing I have both

I have a team for both of them.

Not mentioning my girl guinaifen on the acheron team is a crime

Good thing i have both

Jiaoqiu, eh? HOW DO YOU KNOW??

@BlueSpiritFire1

Күн бұрын

I mean he's nihility, automatically means he'll have synergy with her. I know he can heal too, so nihility healer? He's made to work with Acheron.

@abdurehmanmalik2980

Күн бұрын

@@BlueSpiritFire1 he can’t heal. Also, las I checked there are still Nihility units that are worse than Harmonies for her (Sampo, Luka, etc.). Also, the joke is that to know his kit, he’d have to look at leaks which is against ToS and can get him a strike or get him kicked from the Creator Program.

@BlueSpiritFire1

Күн бұрын

@@abdurehmanmalik2980 Oh I didn't realise it was a joke, my bad. I've only heard that fox guy can heal as a Nihility. I don't know what Harmony characters have to do with this though? I was thinking that having a Nihility that can heal means you can fulfill her trace that scales off the amount of Nihility characters in the team without needing an Abundance sustain or something, allowing for more team flexibility.

Me who F2P on both and got both.. Ruan Mei from her first banner as well

Wait wait has Jiaoqiu's kit already been released? I thought we only had leaks rn

BOTH OF THEM STILL CANNOT DEFEAT THE STRONGEST UNIT IN THE GAME. Perkins

I have E6 Acheron and about to E2 Firefly. I regret nothing.

Supa break guinaifen >>

You could put firefly with acheron and hanyas sister