GENOCIDE IS IMMINENT, BUY GUNS, SHOOT THEM - Vaush Masks Off In Insane Debate ►kzread.info/dash/bejne/fomH2JVreNeuepc.html DID DESTINY SEND YOU? - Vaush SHUTS DOWN Mid Debate, Accuses Rose Of Being Bad Faith ►kzread.info/dash/bejne/d5uWy6xmnLzZpZs.html

@liquidrufus

2 жыл бұрын

Vaush must be taking more than his daily dose of his adhd meds. Dudes been off as of late.

@thetrueshyguy

2 жыл бұрын

@Russian Waifu I'd be more scared of Vaush than the Republicans he want to irreparably harm.

**Slaps roof of Vaush** This bad boy goes from "surrender to the mob" to "take shots at conservatives driving down the street" in 1-2 years.

@rajiaboulhosn9408

2 жыл бұрын

Next step will be "You are morally justified in filling your conservative family members household with CO2 gas while they sleep in order to stop the spread of genocidal attitudes"

@Seaneey

2 жыл бұрын

😆😂 exactly

@DUNNY14465465473

2 жыл бұрын

This guy wins

@SporkyMcFly

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cashout95 The Vaush arc in one piffy sentence. I think you need to watch Vaush and Destiny debate Rittenhouse and come back to this video and comment.

@paperpersona1243

2 жыл бұрын

OMFG I forgot he used to say that! To be fair tho, when a guy says it's okay to lie to get your way, probably shouldn't believe anything he says at all. Makes the whiplash less noticable.

I like how destiny is now holding proxy debates with vaush by feeding someone lines. The manifesto thickens

@gerbygerbs7705

2 жыл бұрын

To be clear, there never was no manifesto.

@chanr9531

2 жыл бұрын

@@gerbygerbs7705 the manifesto is a lie

@somethingcool9979

2 жыл бұрын

There is no manifesto in Ba Sing Se.

@unclegruber5703

2 жыл бұрын

The fortress has been breached!

@ThePigeStrangler

2 жыл бұрын

Manifesto is so thick not even destiny himself can process it.

"I'm all for democracy, as long as we win." Vaush

@BigSleepyOx

2 жыл бұрын

So Vaush does agree with trump on something, after all.

@BustDaNinja

2 жыл бұрын

I prefer that to the alternative...

@bird6472

2 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is Destiny gives Vaush the benefit of the doubt by saying Vaush is doing this for views. At least then you can assume he has a half functioning brain and knows what he's doing. I honestly think he's always had this side to him and it's just now coming out. He's losing any semblance of self awareness in his echo chamber.

@YouJGSousa

2 жыл бұрын

It’s the socialist way, makes sense.

@ThePainkiller9995

2 жыл бұрын

Amelioratative

Quickly, everyone, buy a car. We must outpace our opponents. Intellectually.

@Maelthorn1337

2 жыл бұрын

Well, it IS a buyer's market for cars.

@iamundergrace

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maelthorn1337 nope

@bidtles

2 жыл бұрын

I been trying but there aren't any....

@shanecoleman5309

2 жыл бұрын

Buy cars. Drive them through your apartment windows.

@tpav5563

2 жыл бұрын

@@Maelthorn1337 here is your W

It will always be funny to me that Vaush was willing to derail an entire debate because of his Destiny paranoia, while still trying to use his "Destiny is obsessed with me" shield

@BigSleepyOx

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, Destin's obsession with Vaush is quite obvious for all to see. It's almost embarrassing at this point.

@TheCamps10

2 жыл бұрын

Rose Wrist can literally ask question pulled directly from Destiny and DGG will pretend there's no reason to think Destiny is influencing the question line.

@Thehatter106

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigSleepyOx Being obsessed is when you talk about someone of relevance in your field of work

@rohanjarande

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigSleepyOx Vaush is actively causing harm, there's nothing wrong with scrutinizing his bad faith ass.

@TheRedHaze3

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCamps10 How do you know the question is pulled directly from Destiny?

Vaush: “Liberal ideology fundamentally cannot tell you when to fight back” Also Vaush: “Destiny said it’s ok to fight back in this other situation so why are you getting mad at me”

@-47-

2 жыл бұрын

Also Vaush: "I don't have a line"

@downsjmmyjones101

2 жыл бұрын

He's just say Destiny is a fascist or something.

@indiahodgson3816

2 жыл бұрын

And the Founding Fathers too, the original liberals

@nothde9865

2 жыл бұрын

I have never seen snakes of this magnitude. "If a mob is chasing you, submit" "If you see republicans in trucks, get ready to snipe them"

@LtDeadeye

2 жыл бұрын

@@nothde9865 That's what the belief in subjective/ relative morality gets you.

Destiny's agents are everywhere. Trust no one.

@quinnmargolin9438

2 жыл бұрын

It could be you. It could be me

@onionfarmer3044

2 жыл бұрын

Not even yourself.

@Lilnashcola

2 жыл бұрын

They are everything, they are everywhere, and they do what they do seamlessly, all at once.

@cdubsb3831

2 жыл бұрын

Daliban Sleeper Agents activate when they hear "I'm gonna main Draven"

@onionfarmer3044

2 жыл бұрын

@@cdubsb3831 or when they hear the gamer word.

"I am so objectively correct" as a statement when talking about politics and ethics in a completely morally subjective manner. Gold as fuck

Any time Vaush cites "utilitarianism" it's literally just him trying to say the word "useful" with as many syllables as possible.

@Corvid-

2 жыл бұрын

His utilitarianist philosophy is just a spoiled brat thought process allowing him to do anything he wants without consistency, morality, ethics, or truth standing in the way.

@theobell2002

2 жыл бұрын

I am admittedly beset by utilitarianism.

@zacharychristy8928

2 жыл бұрын

@@4Y0P thankfully for Vaush, "utilitarian" also has more syllables than "practical".

@frankmerker630

2 жыл бұрын

No he uses utilitarianism correctly but he uses it as a monolithic bludgeon like an Ethics 101 student would use it the day they first ever heard of the concept

@Xenomorph6793

2 жыл бұрын

Omg the energy in here 🤣 impuning people for using more than two syllables. Yes guys, vaush is fragile, uh huh 🤣🤣🤣

Vaush having a debate without framing his argument behind 1930s Germany challenge...impossible.

@saltysocks1074

2 жыл бұрын

Its funny that he also takes the piss out of liberals for the nazi rise when nazi's and commies worked together

@lifelessexpression7670

2 жыл бұрын

true lmao

@mattb3492

2 жыл бұрын

Godwin’s law in action

@maxwellsdemon10

2 жыл бұрын

Fuck, as a German with interest in history, this shit is so hard to watch... I used to like Vaush, but holy fuck is he wrong about Nazi Germany. Honestly, in general when Americans talk about Nazi Germany is pretty much always wrong and they take away the exact opposite of what you should have learned.

@imonshrooms6866

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxwellsdemon10 americans use us europeans as examples for their own cause no matter what actually happened. The first thing we should learn from nazi germany is compasion. Help each other out and dont demonize the opposition. Im norwegian so i too know how the war affected people, directly from my grandparents and the stories they tell. And its not what vaush wants

He has and always has been a extremist. As soon as he admitted that lying is alright in pursuit of his revolutionary goals I checked out on this dude. I sense a great capacity for evil in Vaush.

@cameronboyle5235

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like he’s the type of guy to get the nickname butcher in front of his name

@Xenomorph6793

2 жыл бұрын

Um...isn't a revolutionary that is honest about their revolutionary ideation kind of um well...setting themselves up to be caught or made a martyr? It just seems to be kind of obvious that if the continental army had been 'honest' at any point in its early phases, it would've been easily snuffed out for broadcasting it's intent. Same with the Russian revolution or the Cuban one. It's kind of funny; if you have kind of a slavish commitment to 'fairness', 'honesty', or have a disgust response toward 'hypocrisy' like that of an autistic child, you might just see all revolutionaries as unethical regardless of their cause. It's kind of funny how much progress you can stand in the way of by defending vague ideals

@YemYum

2 жыл бұрын

damn i literally forgot about that. What an outrageous position. Couple that with his outright, proud pursuit of creating an echochamber and all the talk about how conservatives are outright evil demons who should be given no moral consideration, he is by far one of the most ridiculous extremists out there. The left is worse off with him on their side.

@sameash3153

2 жыл бұрын

unironically

@vorbo01

2 жыл бұрын

He's a communist, obviously he's evil like wtf how is that a question?

The Meme Trifecta: Hasan, the Steven Crowder of the Left. Destiny, the Ben Shapiro of the Left. And finally, Vaush, the Tucker Carlson of the Left.

@jdarling5315

2 жыл бұрын

Vawsh is way too much of a buffoon to merit that comparison

@joshnoritake3167

2 жыл бұрын

Except they all hate each other’s guts.

@randylynch4330

Жыл бұрын

Fuck that. Tucker is not the Vaush of the right. Absolutely not. Vaush is the Nick Fuentes of the left

@elusivetv132

Жыл бұрын

@@randylynch4330 lol im just going off of what was said in the video

@red2theelectricboogaloo961

Жыл бұрын

@@joshnoritake3167 maybe now they do in real life

Vaush must be allergic to answering questions. All he can do is ask another question back to you or answer a different question that wasn't asked. What a sophist.

@WanderTheNomad

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there that are like that. I think any human is capable of doing that given the right mental circumstances. Usually something to do with pride/ego feeling attacked.

@Remorsefullyhumble

2 жыл бұрын

@@WanderTheNomad depends on the framing of the question I won’t answer a question that is framed in a assumed worldview .

@WanderTheNomad

2 жыл бұрын

@@Remorsefullyhumble right, but most people who refuse to answer a question asked to them aren't pointing out the flaws in how it's being framed.

@Remorsefullyhumble

2 жыл бұрын

@@WanderTheNomad true I’ve noticed vaush himself can be either dishonest or his ego /pride or assumed authority on a topic makes him unable to concede anything.he has to pander to extremists or far left in his audience I still watch him though

@overworkedcna412

2 жыл бұрын

It's the Ben Shapiro technique -____-

"He's Italian, not gay.". Lmao

@markburns2621

Ай бұрын

This reminds of the comment about Sandi Toksvig. "She's not a Lesbian she's just Danish.". Turns out that one was wrong.

vaush checks his walls for destiny every night

@chanr9531

2 жыл бұрын

I’d want Destiny to be in my walls

@trashtie4854

2 жыл бұрын

@@chanr9531 he is.

@Segphalt

2 жыл бұрын

He's gonna be in for a shock when he finally does some laundry and finds the destiny body pillow he commissioned oh so long ago.

I know the phrase “touch grass” gets tossed around a lot, but Vaush seriously needs to go out and touch himself some f*cking grass. Like, grab a handful of that shit.

@jakie4444

2 жыл бұрын

no not just trouch grass he needs to intagrated that shit in every fiber of his being

@jamesbarnett6772

2 жыл бұрын

Woah woah woah, are you TOS baiting him bro

Shooting at people burning down your business ruining your lively hood? EVIL! Shooting at people driving in trucks? RIGHTEOUS!

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

Жыл бұрын

Bobby Boucher, how many times do I have to tell you that trucks are _are _*_the DEVIL!_*

Where did this genocide conspiracy even come from? I don’t understand what his argument is. All I can divine from his rambling is that he thinks non-violence is still violence if it effects gay people.

@onionfarmer3044

2 жыл бұрын

Since roe v was over turned and the don't say gay along with anti-trans bills, vaush sees this as the start of a genocide.

@kentuckyboy111

2 жыл бұрын

It’s the only way to justify his opinions.

@fissionmail3d

2 жыл бұрын

2020s america is equivalent to 1930s germany apparently

@scarlettuppenberg940

2 жыл бұрын

The GOP is dehumanizing LGBTQ people and are taking steps to take their rights. Moreover, the GOP has clearly demonstrated how they are willing to resort to violence to achieve their goals. Thirdly, authoritarian regimes often scapegoat a minority group for all of their issues as a distraction. Therefore, if the GOP gain power in 2024 it’s not unreasonable to suppose they might conduct some kind of genocide against LGBTQ people

9 min in and he already justified Israel's right to preemptively strike it's adversaries.... 😂

@ianjoel9341

2 жыл бұрын

And Rusia , And USA , and ...

@greenguy4413

2 жыл бұрын

He had no choice, Rose was about to join NATO

"Did destiny send you?" BRO HAS PTSD OF LOSING TO DESTINY

Neither lefties nor righties know liberalism as well as they claim they do.

@stotz4710

2 жыл бұрын

liberalism is a very diverse and probably bastardized tradition, so critics of it tend to conflate aspects or policy proposals of different forms of liberalism instead of attacking what's universal to all its forms.

@rdfm1549

2 жыл бұрын

while i can agree with this... i look at literally every right winger and bestie... they aren't even in the right ballpark so i mean it COULD be worse!

@mrcomics4930

2 жыл бұрын

It's an evil status quo to both, a name for a broad range of all issues of modern society. Out society is a Liberal one so all of its issues are caused hy liberalism and solved by their populist ideology. They are not talking about liberalism as an ideology but using it as a name for all that is wrong with modern society. That's why liberals are commies to fascists, and they're fascists to commies.

The fact that Vaush comes off so scared of destiny trying to set him up, get him clipped, send someone to bate him, or possibly push a ban has me wondering if he did that same thing to Destiny.

@Hchris101

2 жыл бұрын

sus mogus

@markburns2621

Ай бұрын

Who tf would need to clip Vaush to hurt him? Just let him talk for 5 sentences and dissemble and lie 18 times.

I used to give Vaush the benefit of the doubt, I was even recently banned from r/Destiny for saying Destiny was being hypocritical for being so spiteful towards Vaush while being ultra charitable towards Lauren Southern. I guess I’ll take the L now…

@misterkurt6867

2 жыл бұрын

Difference is that vaush can’t cosplay tristana.

@Ryuu44

2 жыл бұрын

No L needs be taken. It's possible, and it's for example my position, that Steven was spiteful towards Vaush before but with this current topic on hand Vaush became the person you should 100% be spiteful towards.

@joonnoob3119

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ryuu44 Fair point.

@giovalladares1022

2 жыл бұрын

You had 1000 other chances to see Vaush for what he truly is. This is arguably not even his worst take.

@joonnoob3119

2 жыл бұрын

@@giovalladares1022 There’s a difference between being a typical politically illiterate online lefty, and being a blatant advocate for violence. Vaush hadn’t quite crossed that threshold till now.

Vaush accusing anyone of being bad faith is the most hilarious thing in the world.

@frankmarano1118

2 жыл бұрын

You see the "is Vaush ironically evil?" video? Dont let the title throw you off, the examples it shows of him being bad faith af are rock solid. He will say something then rail right into someone for saying the same exact thing

@LabTech41

2 жыл бұрын

@@frankmarano1118 See it? I have it saved to my profile. Shame that's the bulk of 'doomerpolitics's work. He caught a copyright strike or something soon after, and that basically stopped him dead in his tracks for content; which is sad because the man can put a solid piece of content together. Also, his thesis is solid; Vaush is totally evil by every possible definition; he's the very embodiment of the Dark Triad personality type. When he's invariably caught, we'll end up finding out he's done some truly heinous shit; especially considering he's been living up his own asshole for the last year or two after he said he was intellectually too superior to be around Destiny (after being made a fool of by him numerous times, and especially on the Rittenhouse situation). He's full on cult leader status now, and the only question is now many people he'll convince to drink the Flavor-Aid. But yeah, until that day he's going to mimic whoever the top person on the leftist grift game is because he's got no real personality while he tries to make as much ill-gotten money as possible.

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

Жыл бұрын

@@frankmarano1118 Crazy how that works lol Political authoritarian who calls themself "Socialist" and wants to redistribute wealth from rich Jewish people? Feels like I heard that somewhere before...

@frankmarano1118

Жыл бұрын

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor haha yup. It kind of reminds me of vaushs supposed mortal enemy- I meant his hero apparently

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

Жыл бұрын

@@frankmarano1118 The safest place in the world for a fascist is at the head of a left wing political movement. The moment "your guy" starts saying things like "my moral standing is unassailable, and my opponents are *literally demons in human skin"* then you _may have stopped being a Socialist._

The thing about these talking points that upsets me beyond any words is how casually he talks about taking a life, like it's something you just do

@gerbygerbs7705

2 жыл бұрын

It's a lot like people who talk big about fighting anyone without ever having done a combat sport. It's easy to want to enact violence when you have no experience with what it entails.

@andrewcox5873

2 жыл бұрын

These types are always just talk. Look at all the far right groups that brought guns to DC on Jan 6, they spent the few weeks leading up to it tweeting about "something has to happen" and "its our last chance"...and when the big day comes the most anyone does is punch a cop and take selfies in the capital building. embarassing

@brandonislemons

2 жыл бұрын

​@@gerbygerbs7705 Oddly enough Boxing is one of those things that vaush claims he used to do.

@dukedematteo1995

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandonislemons doubt it, seems very uncoordinated

@Charlie_probably...

2 жыл бұрын

It's quite funny that the guy who grew up in Beverly hills who makes his money on the internet acts like he's a stone cold revolutionary guerilla killer. He has two handguns and probably just shoots targets at the range.

I love how vooshys arc lately has been "Republicans are anyi democracy" while all he talks about it not voting and grabbing guns and power to get ready to fight. no words of democracy from vooshy.

@lilben4184

2 жыл бұрын

as a reactionary, Vaush's civil war takes are unironically based af. I hope he breaks into my house in the middle of the night so that what happens next can happen 😍

@Anthropomorphic

2 жыл бұрын

He's for buying guns *and* voting, not one to the exclusion of the other. I think he's currently organizing a canvasing tour or something.

@deyan.dimitroff

2 жыл бұрын

it's vawsh

@haruhirogrimgar6047

2 жыл бұрын

When tf has he advocated avainst voting? His take on guns is utterly iredeemable dogsh't. But he constsantly talks about voting and talked about planning canvassing events for the midterms.

@kylekremer7240

2 жыл бұрын

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 when someone says the 2024 election is already over and there won't be a 2028 election he is indirectly calling for people not to vote. If you can't understand that i can understand why you watch him.

Every time I hear Vaush accuse someone of hypocrisy, I always think of him saying “I don’t care about hypocrisy. I care about good and bad behavior”

@aarondavis8943

9 ай бұрын

He's difficult to pin down because vapour is difficult to pin down.

At the end it was kinda like: "Get ready for defensive violence." "Did you say violence?" "Any sane person would agree with me, now it sounds like you're trying to get me in trouble with TOS"

"He's such a coward. Own a position!" This is Vaush's entire being.

@ShortFatOtaku

2 жыл бұрын

PANGAS REEEEEEEEEE CHECK DISCORD

@Hi_Im_Pangas

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShortFatOtaku 1:09:00

Man, this inferiority complex Vaush has whenever Destiny enters his mind is really fucking fun to watch.

Around 8:00-8:15 in Vaush’s chat someone says “he’s trying to get you to make a threat. This is bad faith.” This is interesting to me because all one can do is ask a question to clarify which isn’t “making” anyone do anything. I feel people always think there’s a deep meta thing going on in these conversations and for whatever reason that idea is pervasive enough to Vaush’s audience that they don’t want to see any debate be had on his part. Obviously, this type of thing is not just limited to Vaush’s chat, it’s just interesting the chat commented that before he moved into saying the debate was bad faith.

@ChoppersRevenge

2 жыл бұрын

Well, when you're constantly trying to get your opponents banned with out of context clips, you assume they will use the same tricks.

@zenleeparadise

2 жыл бұрын

fortress arc lol I mean he’s basically declared that he’s intentionally going to default to being compulsively defensive and that they are intentionally going to create an echo chamber so of course he and his audience are going to jump to calling things bad faith

@ExeErdna

2 жыл бұрын

That's what Vaush gets for being sucker puncher for so long. When his people realize he's be sucker punched, it's "bad faith" when really "say how you really feel Vaush"

Destiny living rent free in Vaush's head. Also imagine taking shots at people but not wanting to debate them.

@redeyes392

2 жыл бұрын

they live rent free in each others heads

@dapperboi1828

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a mutual living space. Also his mod prolly told him destiny is watching the debate lol

@RaaM1871

2 жыл бұрын

They are like work colleagues that used to date

@casebased8391

2 жыл бұрын

@@redeyes392 They pay each other’s rents, I’m sure these videos bring in revenue.

@BlastinRope

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine? Thats like half of my youtube comments

At one point in time I was watching content from Destiny, Vaush, Hasan, and DPakman, to name a few. Though I still like them all to varying degrees and for different reasons, given what I’ve seen transpire over the past two years I definitely feel like Destiny has the most integrity and is the most good-faith of them all.

@adrianmerisier22

2 жыл бұрын

i used to love vaush and hasan so much, but they stand on some terrible points that they choose to overlook

@anddudewaslike

2 жыл бұрын

@@adrianmerisier22 it's a shame too because I think they make GREAT points on certain issues, especially in the interest of just platforming progressive ideas to folks in the middle who are open to listening. For ex, Vaush's appearances on Tim Pool went really well and he came off pretty level headed back then. And a recent video of Hasan's stream talking about systemic racism is one of his best ever. But I've seen them both double down hard on some partisan issues [that I noticed Destiny did not] and it hurts their credibility bc they're forced to argue from a position that I don't think they'd actually hold if not for their respective audiences and their expectations.

@rjaymurphy

2 жыл бұрын

glad you survived that brain rot and made it out the other side.

@anddudewaslike

2 жыл бұрын

@@rjaymurphy not sure what exactly you mean by "other side"

@anddudewaslike

2 жыл бұрын

@@JerrySpringerl as opposed to whom?

Vaush constantly accusing Destiny of being obsessed with him feels like massive projection on Vaush's part. Honestly, the dude sounds extremely paranoid. I also find it incredibly funny how Vaush constantly asserts how much smarter and knowledgeable he is than Destiny, but is too much of a coward to debate or talk to him about anything.

@rajiaboulhosn9408

2 жыл бұрын

He's trying to shape and control the narrative regarding his refusal to debate Destiny as some kind of optical win on his part despite the obvious truth that he simply won't talk to him because it will make him look bad to engage with Destiny directly.

@imonshrooms6866

2 жыл бұрын

@@rajiaboulhosn9408 he uses the worst school yard exscuse ever. "No i dont want to play this game (lets say ludo) bc i am so good at it its not fun for me. I dont need to know if im better than you" mean while in his head *fuck i cant loose at all cost, so il just avoide this kid* Everyone know what he is doing except his best friends (aka the fans).

@atetraxx

2 жыл бұрын

Im a big destiny br0 but destiny is kind of obsessed with vaush, hasan, and other streamers that he believes he's "created". Its just how it is, destiny can act all he wants like he isnt, but he is, his actions and words show this, and thats part of the reason I watch im. Because how assmad he is that he created the very things he hates the most.

@SupersaiyanChristian

2 жыл бұрын

@@atetraxx I think he is trying to de-radicalize them.

@atetraxx

2 жыл бұрын

@@SupersaiyanChristian no he isn't. He's said he has no interest in changing people's minds

Vaush just loves to hear himself talk without knowing what he's talking about

Vaush is so dishonest he can’t handle Destiny’s questions because they destroy his narrative.

Vaush is literally losing his mind.

@rajiaboulhosn9408

2 жыл бұрын

That's implying that there was a mind to loose to begin with

He has watered down his position so much. "people should arm themselves to defend themselves" isnt controversial. What is controversial was all the baggage vaush attached to that. Mainly that conservatives are just evil, and that a genocide is IMMINENT. Not only does he think it is imminent, he also has said that he wants to take shots at conservatives driving around with guns. Its extremely clear that what vaush wants is for leftists to take up arms, and should a conservative administration come to power, they are fully justified in taking pre-emptive action. Genocide is immanent, after all. He has painted a picture where there is 100% justification for murdering conservatives in the street. Whether or not its optically good is irrelevant, if we are talking about an immanent genocide. This is a weak ass veil. The world he painted is completely inaccurate. No genocide is immanent. A Fascist to vaush is every single conservative ideology. And i know its hard to believe, but conservatives arnt evil monsters who want nothing but misery to minorities. Its outrageous nonsense. But he has to paint an outrageous view of the world to justify his outrageous conclusion. If all of this was vaush simply coming up with hypothetical situations that might justify violence, it would be understandable. But he has said that this is ACTUALLY happening. and people RIGHT NOW should prepare. Conservatives ARE inherently evil for a genocide that WILL be coming. I know destiny wants to extend charitability to this clown, but he honestly doesn't deserve it.

@spinloki

2 жыл бұрын

motte and bailey

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

Жыл бұрын

And armed leftist is just a popular fascist. Crazy how fast they go from calling YOU a Nazi to forming extra-governmental goon squads to harass dissenters.

@uslph.

5 ай бұрын

Yes I agree Vaush bad

I remember Vaush bringing up a study about conservatives and bragging about how fear works on their simple minds better than left leaning people. So wouldn't what he is advocating for cause more fear and anxiety in conservatives about the people he is fearmongering into arming themselves, than the people he is trying to advocate for. Thus making republicans hate this group more, creating this sort of feedback loop. Does that sound too convoluted?

@jaydenwilson9522

2 жыл бұрын

the guy talks so much shit that he constantly argues with himself XD he'll say anything to make his point/win the debate but a couple days later he will be countering his own arguments with his new arguments and wont address it XD

@DrBocks

2 жыл бұрын

Well his argument is basically they "might" start harming the LGBT if they win overwhelming support in every area of government, so we need to pre-genocide them just in case, that won't cause a massive backlash at all, the attempt to kill 73 million people

@jaredisley-oliver389

2 жыл бұрын

making a career out of being a smarty pants has a very fine line you got to walk. Some days I’m glad I work a blue collar job cause it does seem a lot easier at times.

@Kelper30000

2 жыл бұрын

What did he advocate for ? All you said he did was cite a study.

@zaatas

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kelper30000 He's advocating that people on the left arm themselves, because of the chance that republicans will take over the country, and then genocide trans and queer people. He's trying to use fear tactics on a block of people that he should know are more resistant to that type of rhetoric. And my point is that if fearmongering works on republicans better, wouldn't that type of rhetoric make them more afraid and prone to even more irrational behavior towards the group they think are arming themselves to fight a jihad. While simultaneously not really arming them, because fear doesn't work on them, and at the same time increasing whatever threat he think is coming.

Dude Vaush is becoming extremely paranoid, his world is falling apart because hes realizing that outside beverly hills life isnt a barbie world

Some actual horseshoe shit going on here

@lilben4184

2 жыл бұрын

the 🧲 is based tho

@adamastor9869

2 жыл бұрын

Like the german guy explained in his email, horseshoe theory is a no-brainer in Europe or in any country where a diverse parlament exists, because communist parties that actually exist are all controlled by tankie "red fascist" types.

@basedfemboi9401

2 жыл бұрын

Embrace National Bolshevikism

@REDDAWNproject

2 жыл бұрын

Horseshoe was always real

Vaush seemed really cornered here, once he knew rose got a question from Destiny and Destiny was watching full leftie paranoia kicked in. Instead of pushing back against Destiny he just seemed to go into schizo rant about him, and how every discourse that is set is about him and Destiny

Thank you for representing honesty Destiny. As much as I disagree here and there I really respect you for the way you've held yourself.

Marginalized people should just submit themselves to the mob

Vausch in every debate I’ve seen him in does the absolute craziest mental gymnastics to say the craziest things while also not owning any real major positions…

The amount of projection Vaush is capable of is impressive. Is he really that unaware that people can see right through it? It’s non-stop to the point where it goes from comical to cringe. “Bad faith” describes everything that comes out of his ginger mouth. Rose remained calm throughout as usual, doesn’t resort to ad-homs, doesn’t gishgallop or pivot, just asks the question clearly, and answers the questions posed to him directly, briefly and coherently, while Vaush couldn’t engage in a single topic let alone answer any questions. All Vaginaush could do is make implications and then act surprised when he’s called out, lying to say he isn’t implying anything with the bs he spews and focuses on. And holy shit does Destiny occupy so much real estate in Vaush’s mind lmao.

@missedinformation7068

2 жыл бұрын

Indubitably

@zackwithathey165

2 жыл бұрын

"Vaginaush" Breath taking, truly a marvel of the English language. Surely no singlular word in our limited, collective vocabularies could ever hope to more perfectly describe an individual as well as this. Bravo.

@ChenKaifeng

2 жыл бұрын

I belly laughed when Vowsh brought up Destiny. If this were the year 2000 Vowsh would be Stan from that Eminem and Dido song.

What Vaush really means but won't say is "Simon says" and he wants members in his audience to BRRRRRRRR

I seem to remember someone, possibly destiny, saying that the problem with platforming far right/ alt right people is that it's hard to argue against a lot of stuff they say because it's hard to research and fact check stuff they've just made up. I don't think rose could make any gains in the argument if he can't argue that either republicans aren't trying to genocide people, democrats are just as obsessed with overturning democratic power or right wingers have at least as much validity to their fear of the great replacement as LGBT people have with regards to republican legislation genociding them. I mean the only laws he's ever referenced in either of these two debates is Rowe Vs Wade, he's yet to actually point at anything they've done to trans people. Which is a dangerous argument because I don't think anyone believes republicans are pro-trans but there's a huge divide between that and genocide. Destiny is the only person I've seen discuss this on the left who is willing to make those claims and he's banned from the fortress

@michaelgruber1824

2 жыл бұрын

Even if you were aryan nazis rejected any who didnt support their racist nazi rhetoric and prevealing vision of soceity, or those who combated the lies needed to convince the public...when you oppose fascism you get the destiny treatment.....democrats cearly learned nothing from history.

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

Жыл бұрын

Classic Fascism: if everybody is - by their very nature - trying to *destroy* you _all the time..._ Then any violent action you take is *automatically* self defense. Neo-Nazis don't say, "we hate those [insert minority]" they say "we must secure the future of our [white] children" He's doing the same shit, just with a different in-group.

Like that vaushes stance is that if his side loses its no longer democracy lmao

@grantwithers

2 жыл бұрын

it's hilarious to see this leftist position in real life. look at the "new discourses" channel by dr. lindsay to see why this bizarre statement has always been a far left position. They literally don't think "tru democracy" can exist without a leftist utopia established or on its way to being established (not even lying check the 3 hr episode about hegel for detailed rundown).

Funny how in the conversation with the blonde guy prior to this one Vaush said that killing leadership is a very effective way to damage a political movement and in this conversation the only reasons he gives not to murder politicians is that it wouldn't be effective. What an intellectually honest dude

Vaush is the living embodiment of Godwins Law

"violence is farting in an elevator"

If democratic nations are more responsbile for their wars, they are also more responsible for the great exports and donations they make. The export of Western culture to the world is immeasurable in it's good effects.

when vaush talks about destiny is like hearing a commie/populist talk about cia

@timekeeper2538

2 жыл бұрын

Everything a commie/populist says about the CIA is true, what do you think is false?

@johngamer-bp3pc

2 жыл бұрын

@@timekeeper2538 more recently that the cia lied that putin would invade

@timekeeper2538

2 жыл бұрын

BWAHAHAHAH fair enough, though I would hope you don't believe you're "in good hands" just because they told the truth about an anti-american dictator's invasion.

@johngamer-bp3pc

2 жыл бұрын

@@timekeeper2538 thats just one example, the most recent one. the legit examples of bad cia tend to be from decades ago. i would say the majority the cia tends to be positive. there are of course problems with it, but things get better and compared to intelligence agencies from different countries cia is a lot more proper

Violence cannot be morally justified without a direct and immediate threat to one's safety. I don't know why Destiny's entertaining it in response to legislative action from elected representatives. Whatever your views, illegal immigration isn't a right and nothing about that scenario merits violence.

Destiny's plants taking on the CIA's plants, this is getting heated lads

Me: “If I looked up paranoid in the dictionary you know what I’d find?” Vaush: “A picture of me?” Me: “I’d find the definition of the word paranoid which you fucking are!”

@rajiaboulhosn9408

2 жыл бұрын

Vaush: "I now have to seriously ask if you are approaching this discussion in bad faith 🤨"

Whoever is in charge of Detiny's YT channel, can you please stop labeling these YT video watching as "Debate". This is not a debate... You get excited for a Destiny Debate and you get this instead :(

I typically don’t watch the live stream vods, usually just the KZread videos. Has he said anything about a timeline for the manifesto yet? Is it still happening?

What happened to timestamps/ chapters on these videos? I really appreciated that since I don't often have two and a half hours uninterrupted to spend listening

@johnsykes3970

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don’t get why he stopped doing that. It’s kind of annoying.

@SomeSubhuman

2 жыл бұрын

Either August needs a pay cut or already got one 💀

Vaush literally pulling a Steven Crowder, panic watching his chat to make sure Sam Seder isn't there to give him a real conversation or hard questions.

Vaush technically is justify violence against himself, he in the past admitted killing animals is immoral, but absolved consumers from their responsibility because "under capitalism, all consumption is immoral". Of course now he is saying that lawmakers and voters are responsible for genocidal laws they vote in. It shouldn't be hard to argue that the same will apply to laws that are being upheld, and that he as a voter would have the moral responsibility to actively do something about a current genocide taking place, and that violence against current lawmakers are justified. So, unless he names the trait, which he already demonstrated he can't, he will will have to accept that violence against almost all politician's is justified, aswell as against any person who would resist laws that abolish the current genocide going on.

@uUuWolf16uUu

2 жыл бұрын

Well, thats the nature with people who do not think that principles are important. Without any scruples or principles, you will always do what follows your agenda. Never staying on principle. A good example is free speech. I am 100% for free speech even if it is used to harm my agenda, but the far left is literally selectively for free speech and against it depending on if it is politically useful or not. Thats the most dangerous part. To be devoid or morals, principles and integrity is a recipe to become a psychopath who has nothing but hatred for his "enemies".

The final part of this video is hilarious given recent Vowsh drama lol

I watched this live and had to do a double take when he started getting DDS mid debate (Destiny Derangement Syndrome) and just talked over the dude accusing him of being a Destiny agent lol

Turning it around and calling Destiny a coward is actually smart. If Trump taught us anything it was that if you say something with enough conviction you don't have to substantiate it.

@rajiaboulhosn9408

2 жыл бұрын

Smart sure, but an attribute to be copied and celebrated? Nah fam, that shit should have died off with Trump's presidency.

@xeroeddie

2 жыл бұрын

@@rajiaboulhosn9408 Can't agree more.

I don't understand how denying trans kids puberty blockers could be genocide but abortions are not murder. Maybe it's not a one to one comparison but it seems like abortion is closer to murder than denying non life saving medication to trans kids is to genocide... I don't know I probably should have thought this through before posting. What is 'eco-trolling'?

The "they're obsessed with me" is actually a political line used by the Italian politician Berlusconi when leftist talked about his numerous trials

@Winasaurus

Жыл бұрын

"Smh so many stalkers I swear everyone is obsessed talking about me" - Every dictator/public scumbag

If Melina ever divorces Destiny and kicks him out, he has a room rent free in Vaush's head until he finds his own place 👍

More proof that anyone who ends up jumping off of the Desny train inevitably spirals into insanity

love that Alt Shift X also appears in Destiny's feed.

27:56 fantastic reference to 2070 Paradigm Shift lmao

Yeah destinys probably right when he said he doesnt think vauoosh has read any of that. Vaush debated Perspective Philosophy & he was LOST when he started talking about specific philosophy terms, many coming from communism. Vaush never uploaded that debate to his channel because he did so poorly in it. He also acted very childish & bad faith to the guy

@electron6825

2 жыл бұрын

I watch a lot of Vaush content and that was an eye opener for me. His childish responses betrayed his hurt ego, which is jarring to see since he's so keen on exuding confidence

@frankmarano1118

2 жыл бұрын

@@electron6825 Yeah it was for me too. I had watched quite a bit of his content & I always kind of had the feeling I didnt like how pompous he acted & picked up on the fact that he liked using more flowery language to sound smart rather than make arguments as simple as possible in order to get your point across to as many people as possible (the difference between Vaush & destiny basically) but I had no idea how out of his depth he truly was until I saw that debate But yeah at one point he was just scoffing at him every time he wanted to discuss something Vaush easnt familiar with. & I'll never forget that time he was like, "imagine being hedonistic when mark rekt him" or something with that sentiment & it was so childish Haha. But yeah his ego was definitely hurting there, he wanted to attack him to make him seem silly for taking philosophy seriously despite the front Vaush himself likes to put on.

I've never heard ANYONE claim to be objectively correct, that's insane. Vaush makes the most absurd claims, I swear. He's insane. Around 1h, 16m.

@CloppingIsMyThing

2 жыл бұрын

How is this absurd? For you to believe something you have to think it's objectively correct, at least to yourself. Example, flat earthers.

@troll2297

2 жыл бұрын

@@CloppingIsMyThing Nice example of insane people.

@CloppingIsMyThing

2 жыл бұрын

@@troll2297 I know it is isn't it? Someone who are actually objectively incorrect think they're objectively correct, how can you think that? I feel it's just part of the human condition, I mean it's pretty self evidencent anyway. If you believe something is wrong with you wouldn't believe it would you? Lol

Yes, Destiny sent me, and only me!

@cdubsb3831

2 жыл бұрын

What's a breadtube fanbase compared to a joker pfp?

@Schinkentime

2 жыл бұрын

@@cdubsb3831 it is an NFT

@Blizz3112

2 жыл бұрын

after all... it IS your Destiny! :-P

1:37:00 That's fanart of Natalia Poklonskaya, former chief prosecutor of Crimea (the part that was taken by Russia) and Russian State Duma who was in like her 30s when that was drawn, it's not loli. Anime fanart of her was literally a meme like almost a decade ago now cus of 2ch.

When are time stamps coming back

Vaush is lucky that he’s such a talented orator, otherwise he sound almost has unhinged as Hasan with some of his arguments.

@joonnoob3119

2 жыл бұрын

He’s definitely trying to lure that audience over to his side now that he’s alienated himself from all political isles on the internet (aside from his own “fortress”)

@zachbarber3211

2 жыл бұрын

I think to most people he sounds unbelievably smug, cringe and annoying. Hearing Vaush's voice immediately makes me want to be violent toward leftists, personally.

@dukedematteo1995

2 жыл бұрын

@@joonnoob3119 bingo. He was trying to appeal to the Majority Report/ I love AOC lefty normie crowd for a while. But during this "fortress" arc, lost his mind, and alot of followers so now he's going Antifa super soldier, and modern day "John Brown".

@uUuWolf16uUu

2 жыл бұрын

Hes not a talented orator. He is what you call a sophist.

@iwannabethekid34xc

2 жыл бұрын

@@uUuWolf16uUu a talented orator is someone like Adolf, who won the majority of the German women's vote by being Chad.

Ian is going back and forth between 1. Arguing that preemptive violence goes too far and that the most you should do is arm yourself without initiating an attack 2. Criticizing liberals for being uncomfortable with preemptive violence until it's too late. He can't have it both ways, if he is anti- preemptive violence he is on the same camp with liberals, if not he supports terrorism. I think he really believes that a Republican Dictatorship is likely in the future, but despite the posturing he is uncomfortable advocating for violence right now outside hypothetical scenarios. Hence he can't land to a consistent position.

@rra41

2 жыл бұрын

In the wise words of Cenk's Nephew, Vaush (or better yet Ian CUCKinsky) is best described as a "Weasly Little Liar Dude!"

By vaush’s logic political violence is acceptable at all times because you would be constantly operating off the unknown of what moment your political oppositions rhetoric will become actions. Without trust in the institutions and relegating the solutions to that system you have a complete erosion of society of differing opinions. you’re constantly operating under the assumption that any action towards in support of a view you disagree with could be one step removed from violence against you. Thus triggering the action of violence in defense of violence. It’s a political standoff in which everyone shoots because without institutions what trust would you have in your political opposition. Especially in todays political climate where the simple act of disagreeing with a viewpoint can be seen as aggression towards a group.

@Noschool100

2 жыл бұрын

I mean that doesnt seem to be his logic. at some point between a healthy democracy, where volioence isn't acceptiable, and people being sent to the gas chambers, where most would say violence is acceptiable as the institutions have failed there is a transition period from unaccptiable to acceptiable. Where that line is isn't defined but most people accept it exists and people should be aware of it.

1:16:22 The fact that there's millions of people who don't find him saying "I'm objectively right" as a huge, crimson red flag is worrying to me.

the vaush arc started when he refused to ground his axioms with Rem and ended up here Morale of the story:Know your philosophy

reading the chat on political streams makes your brain melt

destiny should print out vaush face that says "vaush is too scared to debate destiny" and place them on the walls where the webcam shows lmao

New thumbnail colors just dropped 🎉

@Jaaskle

2 жыл бұрын

Christmas vibes

Vaush would have 100% been a beefsteak

Vaush is a master of sophistry but his initially impenetrable philosophical foundation has been shaken. He needs to take a break and think things through.

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

Жыл бұрын

"initially impenetrable philosophical foundation" I don't believe any such thing ever existed. "Submit to the mob"

A little too dark but great video!

Whats this obsession with lefties claiming Liberalism is non-violent. Like do they think it just became the dominant political philosophy by sheer chance? The revolutions and wars that brought liberal democracy to prominence were pretty fucking violent. The Thirty Years war, which is arguably what created the conditions to allow for liberalism to emerge(the idea of nation states, soveriegnity/self determination, etc) killed as many as 8 million people ~10% of the continents population. Yeah the Thirty Years war didnt lead directly to liberalism but it was important in creating many of the concepts necessary for liberal democracy to arise, as you cant really create a democracy without the concept of a state.

This is like watching someon stalk their ex on instagram

The only thing I got confused about is why would it matter who the questions came from--I would assume the answers would be the same regardless of who thought of the questions. Like--would Vaush treat Bernie this way had Bernie asked him to be against killing those he disagrees with?

@RockPile_

2 жыл бұрын

It speaks to the intentions behind the line of questioning. Is this not obvious? I’m not a super smart person, but I feel like I must have been 12 the last time I posted something so asinine. Please respond if you think I’m missing something…

@hallo-mt5tx

2 жыл бұрын

destiny = bad faith, so if the question came from him there is no point engaging with, the thought and idea itself is tainted by the person it came from it doesnt make any sense but thats what he does

@kevinligutom6994

2 жыл бұрын

If your goal is to win the argument instead of finding the truth, then I could see why you would care how good or bad the faith of the question is. This isn’t like when conservatives bring up “Little Timmy” to create the idea of a helpless victim to shift the conversation away from the original topic. This is a lefty, talking to another lefty, asking him to clarify why he’s supporting a non-lefty position on gun violence. Like what’s the bad faith here? What Vaush is actually doing is dodging having to commit to a position. I’m not against Vaush’s argument here. I’m a second amendment self defense supporter. I do believe that people, if they feel threatened, should defend themselves. And I know that Vaush is also-or I assume he is. The issue with the discussion was that Vaush knew that he actually had the more conservative position in this discussion-and he doesn’t want his audience to see him accept being “the conservative one” in ANY conversation. His position isn’t wrong. It isn’t crazy to say “conservatives have a point that self defense against a potentially tyrannical system is important.”, but he is afraid to say that out loud, and so has to start making claims about how things are in bad faith.

@Segphalt

2 жыл бұрын

@@RockPile_ Speak to what intention, answer the question and move on. If someone asked me if I still had feelings for my ex the response doesn't change even if my ex put them up to it. (If it does then I would be the dishonest one.)

@RockPile_

2 жыл бұрын

@@Segphalt the only way your perspective makes sense is if you deny the existence of framing and loaded questions

We have all been outpaced

does anyone know what movie destiny is talking about 59:03 what movie did he recommend to the guy he debated in a video this or last week?

I appreciate good faith discussions without sophistry. The ends do not justify the means if you use fallacious arguments for justification.

I just want someone to love me as much as Vaush loves Destiny.

Looked at the title and had to make sure he wasn’t talking about me lol

I truly don't think Vaush is deliberately doing anything. I think 🤔 it's his ego which doesn't let him admit his mistakes or let him believe that his positions could ever be insufficient. His ego could also drive his style of debate which effectively has a set of rules that don't let him be wrong.

Yeah this is not fooling anybody, anyone knows what the message here is and it's honestly shocking I don't like the idea of mass reporting someone or brigading but these are real calls to violence and his fanbase is large enough that there is a real concern that something will happen

@user-cd4ms6cf8l

2 жыл бұрын

If someone is calling for violence, absolutely report their ass. The left wing hypocrisy on political violence is pretty disgusting and needs to be curtailed

@michaelm8529

2 жыл бұрын

I just find it weird that he's meant to be this matter rhetorician but his dog whistling couldn't be more transparent

@mielipuolisiili7240

2 жыл бұрын

"I don't like the idea of mass reporting but I'm gonna call for it anyways."

@lilben4184

2 жыл бұрын

@@mielipuolisiili7240 based

@mrmr2488

2 жыл бұрын

Well the problem is that Vaush is right but there is no one way to talk about it without being accused of advocating for violence or of dog whistling. Destiny is right, if you believe our institutions have failed, then violence is necessarily the answer but in order to stop that situation from coming about, you have to be able to talk about it but if you talk about it, you are dog whistling for violence. And destiny is dead wrong about politics and violence. The purpose of politics is to avoid violence but you have to use the threat of violence to enforce politics. And ALL state sanctioned violence IS politics. You can’t separate violence from politics but you can separate politics from violence. So saying that politics is violence is necessarily true.

Vaush Pool, new splash brother

Umm did anyone else get a "join ADF" ad when clicking on the video?