SYSTEMIC RACISM ISNT ABOUT THE LAW. Institutional racism (also known as systemic racism) is a form of racism that is embedded as normal practice within society or an ORGANIZATION. (such as banks) Ben's video is worth watching as it raises some good points and showcases some holes in the idea that all inequality is linked to systemic racism. Some of his counter arguments were a little odd but still, I thought it was a decent video and he didnt misrepresents studies like many people do. Now to clarify some points. - Just because companies have policies against Redlining it doesnt mean they dont do it. Having a law in place does not mean there arent systemic problems in place. If institutions know redlining is illegal but it is profitable to Redline, despite crackdowns there is still an incentives to do so under the current system. This doesnt mean the U.S. govt is inherently complicity or that were all encouraging it, it simply is an indication of institutions (banking in this case) still engaging in racist behavior. These arent individuals, these are a series of large unrelated banks discriminating against large groups of people. If you're trying to say "its not so bad anymore, we have a law" whilst the practice is still fkin over minorities its really not a productive contribution. For minorities, the law being there sounds great until you realize you still may be suffering the same. - The black names. The point isn't whether they are common or not. Im talking about peoples perception of names. And if the study wanted to accurately see whether or not there is implicit bias based off "traditionally black sounding names", they should use names that may evoke bias. Jefferson while common amongst blacks is also not strange to hear on many white people and the most famous Jefferson remains white. Our perception of the name does not clearly evoke a race the same way Mahammed, or shaniqua or Kim-Soo Yun does. Hence why the study is faulty.

@thatguyedits1920

4 жыл бұрын

You guys actually keep me open to liberal thinking... I'm always worried about being pulled too far either way. 🙏🏼

@ErgoProxy12345

4 жыл бұрын

Aba & Preach why are you expressing a nuanced opinion on the internet? reeeeee! serious note; keep up the good work.

@TheSwerve222

4 жыл бұрын

This is why you are respected. You will notice the comments are trying to split everything down the middle and create sides. When this isn't what you are trying to do. Speaks of the current times unfortunately. Always worth listening to the other side, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle, or you cannot force someone to change their mind in a way that is genuinely accepted and lasts without resentment. In any direction. We should arrive at our own perspectives with the blessing of others as long as we have weeded out genuine prejudice and any evident falsehoods. Too much like hard work and doesn't score points for most it seems.

@robertdanilotecson9111

4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't it be damn interesting if you guys talked with Ben Shapiro? I think that would be an amazing video!

@KAIZORIANEMPIRE

4 жыл бұрын

systemic racism factors in maybe 25% inqeuqlaity the rest of it, is single mothers that can't raise sons, (fucking tyron and ray ray), the other parts decisions, i have seen alot of blacks and women in particular like to be victims instead of changing their reality. i am a black and i worked hard signle parent house we were poor, very poor

I'm a guy, watching 2 other guys, watching a guy, watch a video. The future is now.

@mamamac7069

3 жыл бұрын

🤯

@Hornycricket

3 жыл бұрын

Do you have The Schwartz?

@austinkenway9079

3 жыл бұрын

No no, when I watch you watching these 2 guys watching Ben Shapiro watching a video, then let's talk abo... uh.. I.. I forgot what I was trying to say.

@Flash02558

3 жыл бұрын

Ima dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.

@xander.mp5

3 жыл бұрын

I’m a guy, reading a comment about a guy watching 2 other guys, watching a guy, watch a video. The future really is now

Isn’t it refreshing to have people debate on this subject, disagreeing and agreeing on many aspects and not scream/condemn each other. Healthy discussion is the way forward

@Tee9156

4 жыл бұрын

And exactly what has it achieved? After all the discussion, the problem still exists.

@5050TM

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! 👍🏽

@5050TM

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tee9156 Well, how do you suggest we solve it?

@GlimmerOG

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tee9156 agreed, however without being able to discuss it in an open forum, it can never be addressed. To say it's useless to discuss it because nothing has changed at the end of the discussion is exactly what has prevented change from happening, because when there is no communication about it, people ignore it unless it directly effects them. We can't wave a magic wand and make it disappear, but through discussion we can begin the process of change.

@JustVictorBTW

4 жыл бұрын

T. Yahaya What has Aba & Preach achieved with their analysis and diverse views on Bens perspective of the video? In which Ben also analyses a video. My comment is about the way Aba & Preach handle Bens perspective on the video mentioned. I hope you ask that same question to Aba & Preach rather than a viewer who appreciates their civil debate/discussion.

as an independent that is more right leaning, you guys did a great job at being critical/understanding when necessary. Y'all brought up points I hadnt considered and I appreciate and thank you guys for your open mindedness and intellect. Thank you for being a voice on the internet that applies cognitive thinking rather than emotional thoughts. I appreciate this video so muchand think you guys created a great opportunity for debate/education! i hope yall have a great year!

@valseanne1521

Жыл бұрын

This! The reason why I used to be strictly right was because I thought my only other option was to believe other extreme values like how in this case, systemic racism is the sole reason why people don’t move up. A lot of people around me preached this and it really freaked me out. I love how this channel makes such a good discussion about it. It’s things like this that made me realize I can think a little bit of both and still be ok

Can I just say the comment section here is like the least toxic, most heart warming gathering of totally different people who disagree. I kept scrolling to see any hate or disrespect and didn't see a single instance of it. I don't know what you guys did to curate such a great audience but kudos. Literally got the warm fuzzies.

@mikemeansbizness

Жыл бұрын

Shut yo handsome and educated ass up

@RisinTyson

Жыл бұрын

by beyond pissing off both extremes leaves only moderates

@RadicalizedRadical

Жыл бұрын

They attract mostly moderates. That's why. Extremists tend to be toxic.

This is exactly why I listen to you guys. It is not screeching “white people evil” it is not “poor black kids have it easy because of affirmative action “ You guys aren’t cheerleaders for one side.

@gabrielcat72

4 жыл бұрын

Same ! I truly love what they're doing although they've got a few things wrong here. Shapiro tries to debunk systemic racism. If a law has been passed, then the racism isn't from the system, it's from individuals. Of course there is still tons of individuals who are racist, but the fact is that in the system, in the laws, america gives equal rights. Even if they are represented by a presumably racist person, even if there are racist companies schools banks that are represented by racists, it IS a shame, but it is not SYSTEMIC. MLK said himself we need to stop putting racism on the table if we wanna see it go. It's like smoking, if you wanna stop smoking, thinking about NOT smoking is still thinking about smoking. Thinking racism is BAD is great and all, but it still means we're all thinking about racism, whatever the opinion is on it ... :/

@Missreepee

4 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielcat72 I guess it all depends on how systemic racism is defined? Even if the laws are changed, if the system itself was set up that way and continues to operate that way, can you then say systemic racism no longer exists because there is no law to support it?

@gabrielcat72

4 жыл бұрын

@@Missreepee exactly ! It's all about definition. I just wonder, what is there to do beyond laws collectively? Where can we make a REAL difference ? Individually, respect for sure.''Be the change you wanna see in the world''. But dont you think our energy should be invested towards other very racist and sexist countries ? Some serious cases out of america and they could really use our help I dare to think

@gabrielcat72

4 жыл бұрын

@Jaskaran Singh another great compilation of individual racism. Nothing systemic here. We re all part of the system and so individual racism is also systemic because every individual is part of the and a system? Its like drugs. They're illegal mostly but people still takem, what are you going to do ? I aknowledge there are problems but they come from persons, not the law. Your point is some people in the law are racist, cool, we get it, but is it proveable ? If yes, sanctions , if not, move on. There is systemic racism in many places in the world (racist AND sexist law) how about we adress that ? We cant change anyone but ourselves, but we CAN change laws, so lets focus on what we can do ^^

@gabrielcat72

4 жыл бұрын

@Jaskaran Singh what laws ? Can you give a good example of what would help :)?

Aba and preach are the safe haven of my centrist political outlook. Literal breath of fresh air. Not trying to push an agenda - just their honest, rational opinions.

@danielhernandez-vo9zc

3 жыл бұрын

I think I’m more right leaning but if centrist came out more I would be that. I align my values more with centrist, it’s just that I’m today’s politics we don’t even have a voice. You either have to be left or right. Most people are mild mannered thinkers that align with centrist (independent ) values. I think centrism is what America needs, it would definitely help us come together.

@bitchwhocanargue5425

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielhernandez-vo9zc mhm I agree. I'd say I'm probably more centre-left, but occasionally I do share some mildly right wing values (e.g modesty). but yeah centrists unfortunately don't really have much of a voice - I don't know why but people only ever listen to the most extreme of each side 😔. I agree that centrism is what America needs, as well as the rest of the world. Everything is best in moderation.

@GG256_

3 жыл бұрын

@@cutieowl347 We are seen as indecisive because we don't swear allegiance to any fixed ideologies. I'm fine with this, we are at a unique time in the west. If government doesn't completely implode upon itself, we will see the proof that injecting some moderate thinking is the only solution to appease all citizens. We used to entertain the extremes of both sides, but the average person is far more intelligent because they have the capacity to inform themselves more than ever. This brings about the need for moderate leadership, because the moderate leader actual takes the needs of everyone into account objectively, rather than rallying for a class or group due to a stereotype. (Like a political class.)

@JuanCarlos-zx1bf

3 жыл бұрын

Fuck centrists

@tchoythao5579

3 жыл бұрын

But, you all gotta remember the fault with your own political siding as well. The fault with the Centrist approach is that it doesn't create results fast enough for the mass because it has to navigate both sides, and can find it's own extreme of extreme balance like a line instead of a wave because too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. People want answers, results, even if they are placebo effects only, which the left and the right exemplify amazingly well. Sometimes a bad answer is better than no answer.

He actually debunked systemic racism if his definition of systemic is legal racism. It is clear that he wasn't trying to debunk the fact that racism exists. He admits the reality of racism. However, the racism that exists is not sanctioned by law. I am not saying he is correct in his understanding of systemic racism. I am simply pointing out that his title was not clickbait.

@TestElepine

2 жыл бұрын

My opinion lines with yours, racism exists but that's because people suck and its not just white ppl.. from my point of view and the life I lived with the people around me I see more racism twords whites then anything els especially from natives.. I live in Canada and I understand that people in are past did really horrible things 😔 but tbh most humans have zero ability to rationalize .... like ya keep fucking hating 😒 keep blaming people for things that happened before either one of us was even born .. bet that will get you far ohhh wait I don't gotta bet just look around

@anthonydavis9382

2 жыл бұрын

These twos whole definition of systemic racism is because of ONE case of redlining since 1960. Everyone wants to be a victim nowdays it's insane. Want some get out of poverty? GET A JOB. period, that simple. there's A LOT of lazy people in this country and want to blame everything on someone else rather than taking personal responsibility for your own life. And Whyte people seem to be an easy target nowdays

@TestElepine

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonydavis9382 dude no.... you are talking out of your ass.. " get a job if you don't want to be poor" probably some stupid kid ... I know people that work two jobs that don't make as much as I do .. stay in school if not go back

@anthonydavis9382

2 жыл бұрын

@@TestElepine you are a liar. With a name like yours i even doubt you have a job. If you had 2 jobs, you would be making upwards of 50k thousand a year, minimum. And if that is lower class, then you must be RICH

@TestElepine

2 жыл бұрын

@@anthonydavis9382 haha an alias created by my youngest son, I take no offense bud . I own a very small company that builds a home or two a month so im more then a 6 figure family but thats besides the Point we were getting at

Aba I have to applaud because you are very level headed when debating issues and that’s extremely hard to do! Preach, you tend to be more emotional when dealing with certain issues, and you can read it all over your face. I think it’s important to give people the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming the worst intentions from people. When we have a predetermined judgement about someone then we tend to tune out the good with the bad. Lol not that my opinion really matters. Love the videos y’all put out!

@Mortal209

Жыл бұрын

The thing is that you're saying that it's important to give Ben Shapiro the benefit of the doubt instead of automatically assuming the worst of him which is 100% not the thing you should do. Never in his life has he said anything smart, he SOUNDS smart by talking fast and then uses buzzwords to help people follow along to what he's saying making them think "This is so intelligent!" when in reality he's just mashing together nonsensical words in hopes it makes sense to an audience who will blindly follow him. He has about as much grasp on the law as he does on racism which is none because he doesn't understand any of it. He does quick searches that will justify his racist spiel because he knows his followers aren't going to do their own research and look up what he's talking about, instead he gives them a link to something that says "Racism is okay and here's 10 reasons why you should always agree with me!" (not literally) and people will share it without reading it because they trust Ben and his judgment. This is due to many people being uneducated on today's society but will get upset "Things aren't how they used to be! People are too soft now!" and these are the same people who will get upset over a Black actor/actress portraying a character they perceived as white for most of their lives because they never actually read the original story but instead they perceived the character as white because that's how it was always portrayed in the media. Ben Shapiro will ensure no one smarter than him will debate him because he's just like the Twitch streamer Hasan who thinks he's the smartest person alive until someone smarter than him shows up, they both get upset, they both say "You should vote for MY party because MY part is superior to the OTHER party!" and both will call someone a racist if they hate on them. Ben has literally called people racists for mocking him saying that it's okay for him to be racist but not the other way around, Hasan has literally done the exact same thing.

@Delimon007

Жыл бұрын

@@Mortal209 I agree with most of this and I hate to tell you this, but the mermaid is white and if you read the original story, it tells you her skin color. this has been pointed out multiple times already but multiple different people.

@anthonyl9126

Жыл бұрын

So what if he's emotional as long as his emotion is informed by facts. What world are you living in where people don't have emotions?

@brandonwhite4992

Жыл бұрын

This is also a show that needs to be entertaining. The balance of the 2 make is what makes this channel so great. If they both reacted the exact same way, this channel would likely be much less popular.

You guys should contact Ben and have a talk with him. He has a segment that he calls a Sunday special where he sits down and has a discussion with people. I think it would be an interesting conversation.

@daddyfamlittle6262

3 жыл бұрын

Ben is FOS and knows he is FOS! 🤷🏽‍♂️

@ryanryan3978

3 жыл бұрын

@@daddyfamlittle6262 then confront him tell him where he is wrong

@tpagne6876

3 жыл бұрын

please happen ! I would love it

@Kami2D

3 жыл бұрын

@Bella Tempesta “Full of shit”

@whiplash823

3 жыл бұрын

As if Ben would talk to anyone remotely on the left. He can't even handle being interviewed by a conservative. Trash human being on top of that.

I think the point he was making is that the "system" of "systemic racism" has changed and no longer supports that racism. This doesnt eliminate racism in total, it just makes it illegal to use it in the systemic fashion. Again, I'm pretty sure Ben was clearly saying systemic racism so it would be understood as the system no longer being racist. This, again, doesnt mean that people running banks arent racist or limiting lending to those races they dont like.

@Knitboy1997

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder what minority is associated with banks in general...

@vuyosidinile8493

4 жыл бұрын

I hope they read this comment, man. This seemed to elude them, but they did well to call Ben out on some of the weaker arguments he made.

@nd9038-w2n

4 жыл бұрын

Those interested in more Ben view points should watch most lectures he puts out when he states that if you can find an example of racism he will 100% stand beside you and fight, but one instance does not mean the entire system is racist. Let's get these guys to talk with Ben. More fruitful to understand how people come to their conclusion. Talk it out.

@uni4rm

4 жыл бұрын

He made that point about as easy to grasp as he could. A lot of the discussions and talks Ben does seems to fly over people's heads anyway because they get emotional about it. And it isn't intentional. And this isn't saying anyone is dumb. They just need more context, and a "debunk" clip isn't going to capture that.

@iordanneDiogeneslucas

4 жыл бұрын

banks are racist, but if credit worthy blacks need loans why are the black billionaires and millionaires not stepping up?

loved the dialogue and have watched Ben's video as well, I am happy to see such open discussion and no anger or judgement. We need more of this as a country!! As a Hispanic male, I have seen discrimination first hand but have also seen the opportunities that are available to minorities, I grew up lower/middle class and I moved my self up to upper/middle class and pray that my kids will go even further. 😊

@ryanjones8156

2 жыл бұрын

Not all black people have black names, the video tries to make the argument that all black people have black sounding names which is not true. Patrick Mahomes is black and doesnt have a particularly black sounding name. How your name sounds is important not just for black people but for white people as well. More popular names always have had a better chance of getting hired you can look at any baby name website and they tell you that. So the name problem is not a problem exclusive only to black people.

@dtownblastinsalvi62

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarknessFlameMedia your whole statement is useless in this comment, he expressed discrimination he never once mentioned another group oppressing him or being oppressed he simply stated as a Hispanic male he has felt discrimination which is true, please point out which statement he said “no other group has experienced what I have.”

@dtownblastinsalvi62

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanjones8156 ok? Why didn’t you say that in the actual comment section and not in another comment? Also nobody is debating names at all. Also how is Jamal a black sounding name when it’s actually an Arabic one?

@idoit319

2 жыл бұрын

@@DarknessFlameMedia he isn't belittling the minority populous, but he is saying he agrees because it relates to the people who relate with that struggle.

@patrickbertlein4626

Жыл бұрын

Eh they get justifiably pretty frustrated over some of Ben's stupidity.

I feel that identifying current illegal redlining as systemic is misleading due to the fact that the word "Systemic" implies it's written into the system that people follow. There's no denying that it still happens but it seems to be individuals following their own rules rather than the system instructing them to do so. Other than that semantics distinction, I agree with your points.

@Yddriss

Жыл бұрын

At the end of the failure to enforce the law is another system. 🤷‍♂

"We're arguing it is both." Holy hell, finally, someone FINALLY takes a moderate position! Can systemic racism co-exist with poor personal choices? Absolutely!

@shermanbrooks23

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, when you have racism it’s just harder to over come those terrible personal choice. It makes it harder, but it isn’t the sole reason for failure. I wish people would understand that, the problem everyone is so into tribal politics no ones wants to give ground and acknowledge when the other side is right. Everyone just needs to meet in the middle and stop yelling at each other.

@Tethloach1

3 жыл бұрын

@Kurgen Eagletail well if they don't hire you for being black you could always just starve to death and then they can say it is your fault for not being skilled aka white.

@Mstrskeletor89

3 жыл бұрын

@@shermanbrooks23 man i wish we lived in an ideal world but people tend to do whatever they can to get ahead without thought for others

@hzuiel

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tethloach1 When the economy was booming before covid, black unemployment was at an all time low. Didn't really seem like ti took any convincing to get companies to hire black people.

@hzuiel

3 жыл бұрын

@Nate "Can systemic racism co-exist with poor personal choices?" It can, but it demonstrably doesn't at this point in time. 80 years ago, you'd have found it to be mostly systemic racism holding black people back(and yet the black middle class was growing), and not personal decisions. That has done a complete 180 flip onto it's head, and all the evidence points to that. The harder researchers try to prove widespread racism exists typically the more they prove it doesn't. So you have SJW types making the argument that modern racism is invisible through implicit bias, you can't see it, but IT'S THERE! Even if there are no measurable effects of this racism, and the only way it can be proved to exist is with a special purity test that you must take to prove you are not racist, and when you invariably fail that test, you must pay them money to cleanse your soul which is of course a never ending process. Or you have people attributing the actions of individuals, or small groups, to society at large, which is almost a dumber argument in a nation of over 300 million. To be clear there are still racists, and those racists do still cause harm, but by definition that does not constitute systemic racism. Unlike in the past, today if you encounter a racist who won't give you a job no matter how qualified you are, there's 100 other businesses down the street that will gladly have you. Larry Elder's story about his father talks about this, he endured a lot of racism is trying to get a job, but by the time larry was entering the work force it had changed so much it was almost a non issue. That is the problem I think we have today is that nobody can accept when things change, especially when that change is rapid. You had violent counter protests against the civil rights movement in the mid to late 60's, and within 2 decades things had changed dramatically. By the end of 1968 you'd already had the first interracial kiss on broadcast television in star trek. Multiple pieces of anti discrimination legislation were passed with in some cases almost no resistance, schools were integrated, black people began to become more and more present in popular culture, and by the 80's, within 2 decades, you had millions and millions of white kids who either wanted to grow up to be michael jackson or michael jordan, and the kkk was bankrupted from a single lawsuit over the last known race based hanging of a black man, where 3 of the 4 perpetrators got life in prison and the other got the electric chair in a former klan stronghold state. Most people honestly couldn't wrap their head around that rapid of a change, less than a generation. Even wit some setbacks self reporting surveys had shown steady increase in perceived race relations in the USA all the way up through both terms of bush jr's presidency, then the first black president is elected with 70% of the white vote and suddenly the country starts reversing progress on race relations out of nowhere and now a lot of people accept as a matter of course that we just live in a horribly racist country. It's mind games to divide people as far as I am concerned. I think the exact same phenomena exists with the LGBTQ community, up until very recently even the democratic establishment was anti gay marriage. That changed rapidly, gay marriage was legalized, most people realized it was a non-issue and quit caring and everyone got on with their lives. However gay people had bee oppressed for so long they didn't know how to process that virtually overnight they gained pretty wide acceptance and even staunch conservatives barely care about the issue anymore. I think the response has been the push for acceptance of more and more obscure and/or ridiculous things as some sort of test/proof that things didn't really change, and they've pushed all the way to the point of they aren't even happy with equality, they want you to flat out endorse homosexuality and admit it's equal if not superior or something. It just keeps going to farther extremes of what the activists want because they can't accept that they won their fight, and it probably didn't feel like it was even a fight there at the end.

Really enjoyed Abba paying credit where credit was due and being able to agree and desagree respectfully.

@daddyfamlittle6262

3 жыл бұрын

Smh......anyone arguing if this IS or ISN'T reality is FOS and doesn't practice in critical thinking! 🤷🏽‍♂️ Guarantee BEN knows he is FOS!

@matt59fire

3 жыл бұрын

@@daddyfamlittle6262 Well theres alot of Blacks who are very wealthy here in Texas. But i also agree with these two. So i dont know. Ive noticed theres more segregation in other states despite the huge stereotype Texas has from others who dont live here. And alot of low income areas are mixed race. Now im not saying all. But in San Antonio, alot of neighborhoods will have whites and hispanics.

@Madrrrrrrrrrrr

3 жыл бұрын

Class is in a lot more cases more significant than race. Most people in jail are underclass. Not only black. Bankers also give less loans to poor white ppl than rich white people. Etc etc. Also 1 example doesn't proof anything in science.

@matt59fire

3 жыл бұрын

@@Madrrrrrrrrrrr Yes but this video literally said that if two families had the same income and had the same living circumstances, that the white family would get the loan. That is brainwashing to the max. Its an utter lie. I would say at least 95% of the time it wont happen. They care more about money than race i assure you. As a white dude i had to change my address to get a loan. Luckily im related to the guy so i wont get in trouble

@Madrrrrrrrrrrr

3 жыл бұрын

@@matt59fire Ben Shapiro also proved that in this video. The study didn't compare same situations. They do that all the time with woke situations. It's much better to try to help to whole underclass to have more upward mobility instead of playing identity politics all the time. But Aba & Preach do understand that. I know when i see people who understand liberalism for what it really is.

It's refreshing to see someone check Ben Shapiro when he's wrong 😂! He had the habit of stating some factual things while purposely omitting others.

@jamesdlegacy8728

Жыл бұрын

The problem is Aba & Preach caught and rebutted 33% of Ben's legal raci... rant. This is only a difficult topic if you have not done enough research on the topic to effectively debunk the debunker. You will not find all of it on the internet, guys sorry. Its time to read books of the declassified documents the Obama Administration released with no announcement.

@joegonzalez7434

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Ben Shapiro gets some things right. But he does 2 things wrong quite often: 1) Like you perfectly stated, he does appear to omit things that would otherwise hamper his case, which to me is troubling as he comes across as potentially acting in bad faith. He tends to ignore nuances. 2) When the facts are unconditionally on his side, he generally does not dig deep enough nor does bring up the other side. For example, he might state that there is a correlation between graduating high school and being "successful" and he will state that black folks graduate high school at lower rates than white folks. But he doesn't dig deeper. Why is this the case Ben? He leaves it at "individual decisions" when there is a whole other school of thought that goes deeper into talking about systemic problems in America which effectively create additional obstacles and less opportunities for certain people (e.g., K-12 poor schools vs. wealthier schools). He doesn't like to directly address this other school of thought and fights around it instead.

although there's flaws in bens analysis. I still appreciate him trying to uplift black ppl by saying it doesn't matter your race. you can still be successful and here is some tools to help you. its a more hopeful mindset than "oh your black so it really doesn't matter what you do. you will always be at the bottom cus... racism"

@geogarcia986

2 жыл бұрын

That's not true , your only at the bottom if you let the system get involved , like baby mothers breaking it off with there baby father because they can rely on the government for help and put him on child support . That's what the system does to keep ya down.

@vegastjg

2 жыл бұрын

@@geogarcia986 or you get a racist judge like the newest example of racism at our highest levels like we just got out of Tennessee

@geogarcia986

2 жыл бұрын

@@vegastjg there's no racist judge, do you forget you have lawyers and they're competing for their client and only one is going to win, it all depends on who delivers a better story to the jury, so save me the race is b*******

@kevoncox

2 жыл бұрын

@@geogarcia986 What happens when you can't afford a lawyer and you are given a state lawyer that is overworked and doesn't have the resources or time to defend you? They don't have the money to pay specialists to testify on your behalf. All the while, the state can afford to pay their specialists.

@vegastjg

2 жыл бұрын

@@geogarcia986smh@u what exactly are you talking about because there were no lawyers or clients involved in this I'm only taking about judge Odinet and how she literally called black people roaches and the guy the n word how can you possibly argue those easily verifiable facts?

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Aristotle

@nathanlorenzo8550

4 жыл бұрын

@stefan davis I think it means to imagine the other side's perspective. Not agree with it, but empathise where the thoughts or feelings come from. Hence not accepting but entertaining. I'll do a google search tho

@nathanlorenzo8550

4 жыл бұрын

So that quote is actually not 'real'. By that I mean it's an interpretation of a quote from Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, 1 1094a24-1095a "It is right that we ask [people] to accept each of the things which are said in the same way: for it is the mark of an educated person to search for the same kind of clarity in each topic to the extent that the nature of the matter accepts it. For it is similar to expect a mathematician to speak persuasively or for an orator to furnish clear proofs. Each person judges well what they know and is thus a good critic of those things. For each thing in specific, someone must be educated [to be a critic] ; to [be a critic in general] one must be educated about everything." I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. I'd recommend googling your favourite quotes just for this reason. I'll leave my other comment just to show how I went from guessing about a fake quote to now having read the real quote, and beginning a new perspective on the matter.

@chadw4969

4 жыл бұрын

@@nathanlorenzo8550 absolutely and thank you...as the little I have read of Aristotle...didnt match the simplistic nature of the first quote...

@chadw4969

4 жыл бұрын

It's seems to simple...that would be an enlightened mind / or empathetic mind....the full quote is more provoking ...

@megnemo6403

4 жыл бұрын

And Greenberg makes me think Jewish not white

Most “Historically” black last names are the last name of their master’s to identify which plantations they’re from. Freeman might be the only true historically black last name. This statement isn’t actually historically accurate, many slaves picked their last names after their abolition. Some who’d bought or earned their freedom prior took on the last name Freeman as a receipt or statement of their freedom signifying they could not be bought or sold. Also thank you for bringing to my attention freeman is a English word or words which apparently aren’t native to Africa or even America. Who knew?!! Yet the compound words “Free”and “Man” held a significant meaning for black Americans during and after slavery. So based on our history the interpretation/application will be different from those who aren’t us.

@bruceleeroy8302

4 жыл бұрын

"Ruckus" is a historically black last name too.

@Mephiles550

4 жыл бұрын

@@bruceleeroy8302 "No relation"

@Mitch...Gregory

4 жыл бұрын

@Member Berries i dont get your point

@3dgastron

4 жыл бұрын

www.nbcnews.com/id/41704238/ns/us_news-life/t/washington-blackest-name-america/

@AnnicK.Zoloft

4 жыл бұрын

@@oppfromthenorm1886 what about the vatican?

Bottom line, some people are just doomed. It is really hard for such a big land mass to help everyone out.

Truly so thankful for the two of y’all and the impact y’all have on so many!! I definitely feel like our minds; especially me and aba; are just about identical on these things from a very similar upbringing. I’ve seen so much and man so thankful for the rationality y’all bring to this platform!

@yourdedcat-qr7ln

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's needed people like Ben get to much leeway when it comes to these things

My take on what Ben means by "systemic" is racism supported by the system (government, laws). These guys are right, just because it's not legal doesn't mean it isn't happening. But what I take from Ben's video is that it is no longer systemic but it is now individual racism (the banker is racist, not the system)

@ronlerner1755

3 жыл бұрын

You are right, that is illegal racism, that was sued and everything...

@craigmcdonnell1719

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly this, the systemic element is removed by the legal change and active prosecution of offenders. However, the original video raises a good point. The implication of the system does create bias but unfortunately this is hard or nearly impossible to quantify..

@ronlerner1755

3 жыл бұрын

@@craigmcdonnell1719 it is hard to quantify, but i think it is declining very fast. I believe that the way to get it to decline is to not talk about race, and ignore the difference between the races, so long as it doesn't hurt other values... And the bias will vanish, and there will be only bias based on logical and economical decisions. Which are inevitable in any economy. As i believe peterson says, in capitalism, there will be always a disparity between the rich and poor, but those groups are maliable, and its beter than communism, in which every one is poot, or dead, or an evil dictator or his followers...

@benjamincarnes9117

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronlerner1755 not talking about is an angle for sure but in a widely viewed perspective the better approach would be to stop the ideology that there are multiple races and start teaching the belief that there is only one race. The human race. In a perfect world this would be the best solution to remove the belief that skin color defines you as a race. We all have a heart, brain, liver, and we all bleed red. I will say the most recent generations have definitely made the most progress with eliminating the diversity between the different walks of life and that is a beautiful thing to see. Hopefully one day one love will be the way.

@ronlerner1755

3 жыл бұрын

@@benjamincarnes9117 true, but i dont really think that there are schools that actually teach the racial differences between the races... So i think, by not talking about it, it will disappear from thought...

From the US census 2000: People who had the surname "Washington", 90% identify being black; "Jefferson", 75% identify as black. Hence the use in the study.

@randomdude354

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it's not about how many people with the surname "Washington" or "Jefferson" are black, it's about how many people think other people with the surname "Washington" or "Jefferson" are black. They might seem like the same thing on the surface, but they're not. In the same video, there's an example of something similar: There's a difference between how many millionaires inherit their wealth and how many people think millionaires inherit their wealth.

@dylanbonnema9855

4 жыл бұрын

Also Ben's point is pointed at going off of the last name, not the first name

@vanom3608

4 жыл бұрын

These guys are canadian they don't know that.

@mitigamespro8757

4 жыл бұрын

The fuck does identify as black mean?

@bill-zy6dg

4 жыл бұрын

@@mitigamespro8757 On the US census there is a race question, about six categories. Black is among them.

Only 5 minutes into the video but I wanted to make this point. Redlining as a legal practice is a form of systemic racism. However, like you said, the justice department came down on banks in 2015 for redlining. If the federal systems punish private banks for racist practices, that doesn't sound like a systemic form of racism to me. Anyways, love you guys. Excited for the rest of the video.

@ryanjones8156

2 жыл бұрын

Not all black people have black names, the video tries to make the argument that all black people have black sounding names which is not true. Patrick Mahomes is black and doesn't have a particularly black or white sounding name. How your name sounds is important not just for black people but for white people as well. More popular names always have had a better chance of getting hired you can look at any baby name website and they tell you that. So the name problem is not a problem exclusive only to black people. Hope 1 of you gets the opportunity to read the message

@wannabKsi

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanjones8156 That wasn’t their point either. They said that ‘Washington’ isn’t a historical black name. Saying that it’s ok because not all black people have black sounding names diverts the argument. Because you are then almost admitting that black sounding names are undesirable and have negative connotations linked to them. Not just black but Hispanic, Asian etc. Now you can argue that isn’t intrinsically linked to racism as anyone can be named anything and a name doesn’t represent race. But when the discussion is framed as ‘black names’, ‘white names’, ‘Asian names. It is.

@Delimon007

Жыл бұрын

Just because one system is against another does not mean that another that it is against does not exist. You also contradicted yourself in saying the system didn't exist, after admitting, that the system still exists to this day.

@jamesgreene6207

Жыл бұрын

@@Delimon007 I never once said that these systems do not exist. I simply said that when the federal government punishes banks for racist practices, it goes against evidence of extant systemic racism. I also never said that systemic racism has never existed, it clearly has. Finally, when speaking of systemic racism its important to notice the difference between all kinds of systems and the proverbial "system".

@eddygatlin

Жыл бұрын

no but you can have people in the system that disagree with the government and still have power so it still exists, come on man! think!

To have this kind of civil and level headed conversation is very refreshing. Thank you

His argument is that its not "systemic" racism. Its just racism. Its illegal and should be taken to court. At least thats what I gathered from it.

@Yisraelhendryx.

4 жыл бұрын

Incorrect. The argument is highlighting systematic racism because he highlighted the policy’s that have been put in place to separate the economic groups.

@michaelb2547

4 жыл бұрын

That's Exactly the point he is making. If it is illegal, you can file suit, or press charges, and take that all the way to the Supreme Court of you wanted to

@andrewcooney485

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this exactly. It isn't systemic for a bank to have crap policy. I thought we cared about personal responsibility and all, that bank is responsible not the country as a whole.

@thecomedian5933

3 жыл бұрын

And if you take it to court and win (which you would most likely provided you have evidence to support the claim), then you will make bank off of that bank. Fuck, I wish a bank would do that to me. Id be filthy rich. Anyways, if you decide not to take legal action thats your fault, not the system's.

@totesmegoatscrystal9688

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

Preach had his mind made up before the video started 🤣🤣

@hj2479

3 жыл бұрын

We know the truth, if you live it then you don't need to have a white dude like Ben tell you how racism runs throughout our societies. Ben likes to hide behind his Jewish victim complex and his use of "framed facts." What makes me want to punch him is not that what he says but the fact that as a scientist who understands how he loves to manipulate data and studies shows that he has a complete understanding of what he is doing and yet he still does so for his own personal gain and to push the political agenda for those who fund him. Ignorance annoys me but knowingly using your education to manipulate others with malicious intent is despicable.

@voiceofreason7558

3 жыл бұрын

so did Ben

@voiceofreason7558

3 жыл бұрын

@@hj2479 exactly.. like when he pretends that because something is illegal that means it is not happening.. clearly that is wrong

@hj2479

3 жыл бұрын

@Harley Davidson Motors 1 is plenty. I simply do not understand how so many Americans can not follow some very simple guidelines. Thanks to those people I get to now sit in DOH advisory committees figuring out how we keep the death toll down while these people run rampant. The political powers that be won't approve as they still need votes however if you ask me, I say the best way to deal with this is simply to make these stupid and deadly acts temporarily illegal because nothing makes one reevaluate like some jail time. The death count in the US is at half a million people already and yet there are fools running around treating these numbers like statistics, not people, if only they too had to see the dead bodies month after month then they might just understand what is really at stake.

@fernandogaribaldi7349

3 жыл бұрын

@@voiceofreason7558 No where in Ben's entire monologue did he say just because something is illegal that it is no longer happening. And this is my general problem with their critique of Ben's argument. They're mostly critiquing what Ben isn't saying rather than what he is saying. Now, they don't do that the whole video but they do it alot.

Ben was never saying not to acknowledge systemic racism such as slavery and Jim Crow. The reason he isn't is because that's basically all people do. They don't just acknowledge that these things happened, they spend their entire life in the past and NOT looking at what policies must be changed today. Ben is essentially calling for shifting the perspective now, so as to not spend one's whole lifetime acting like a victim. I agree.

Wow one of the most well balanced and thoughtful conversation I think I’ve ever heard on KZread. Well done gentlemen

I want Ben to react to a video of you guys watching his video of him watching a video on systemic racism 😳🤯

@wolfhawk1999

3 жыл бұрын

At that point you may as well have them debate

@07citychamp

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolfhawk1999 I would watch that debate, Ben is certainly more experienced but there are definitely weaknesses in his game.

@jebes909090

3 жыл бұрын

That is how you create temporal abnormalities. Its how the big bang was created.

@Noadvantage246

3 жыл бұрын

@@ourcorrectopinions6824 Ben's arguments aren't as solid as he'd like you to believe. When you actually fact check and dive into his sources you start noticing a lot of holes and discrepancies. Just like in this video he citied a study that actually disproved the point he was trying to make. But ofc in the public and crowd debate format no one can put his arguments under that level of scrutiny in the moment so it seems like he's "destroying them" when he's just talking fast and (sometimes) saying nonsense. He does occasionally have really solid arguments too but more often than not his points and sources are filled with holes and contradictions.

@MarleyHendrixMMK

3 жыл бұрын

On some inception shit ⚡️

listening to Ben is like watching in 2x speed

@juliaseazar

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like he does that to appear as extremely intelligent and in some way superior... it's giving him an arrogant tone

@Mylity66

3 жыл бұрын

@@juliaseazar Pretty sure he's just a fast talker, i remember watching him years ago and he talked so much faster, seems like he's trying to correct that

@cryptkam9218

3 жыл бұрын

@@juliaseazar Ben doesn't purposely talk fast in order to seem intelligent. That's how he naturally speaks, if you can't comprehend fast talking put the video on slow and it'll make a lot of sense of what he's saying.

@szymonklimann3184

3 жыл бұрын

@@juliaseazar LMAO YOU ARE ONE INSECURE BITCH XD

@cheesyboicapree8110

3 жыл бұрын

@@sh4hriar jews talk fast that's the sterotype that your missing there

when ben was talking about "moving" i believe he was talking about "if the voucher system was in place they could move schools without moving houses" but he didnt word it like that.

Preach is the man, love his observation. They deserve a national platform on mainstream or streaming. Seriously these two should have a daily show type of thing. They deserve a bigger platform.

"Just because it's been outlawed doesn't mean it isn't happening" Granted. But is it really "systemic" at that point? The system says the act is illegal. That sounds more like instances of individual racism as opposed to systemic ones.

@CJDAASSASSIN99

4 жыл бұрын

Is that an even valid point ? You acknowledge there a problem . You acknowledge it exists even though it's made "illegal" . People, companies ,and entities still do illegal acts and the "system" is still in place, regardless if it's renamed or made "illegal"

@coltonhill272

4 жыл бұрын

@Colin Amen. Apa & Preach defined in their comment that "Systemic Racism" is a condition that is independent of the law and is predicated upon rasism being exhibited in an "organization", what ever that means. Hell, if that's the standard, we will have systemic racism as long as we have retirement homes (seriously, go visit a nursing home some time, those old people make neo nazis seem down right diplomatic). As much as this pains to agree with Ben Shapiro, that does seem to be playing pretty fast and loose with the definition. Yes, the KKK is a thing, but does their existence mean that the country that produced them is systemically racist? While I acknowledge that banks are to capitalism as burgers are to 'merica, claiming that a privately own financial bureau demonstrating reprehensible behavior is proof of systemic racism is akin to the claim that you must be a drug dealer because your kid is a pot head.

@davidwalford3103

4 жыл бұрын

@@CJDAASSASSIN99 Yes it is a valid point. because its not systemic. Its not across the board. No one denies racism happens, there are individual cases recorded but calling it systemic implies it is affecting the whole industry, which it isnt, and as the guys stated on the times it has happened the banks where punished. An honest question would be to compare it to the % of actual sales that occured, and to look at all the circumstances around each case. In todays climate as we should all know by now, not everyone is an honest actor.

@CJDAASSASSIN99

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidwalford3103 whole =\= system. The system was still up according to what aba/preach said ( I believe until 2015 or 2017 ) . The system doesn't have to affect 100% of people to be considered a system. I agree with you on " no one denies racism happens " . I'm saying the system is still in place illegally.

@colin1818

4 жыл бұрын

@@CJDAASSASSIN99 - My takeaway is that the marxists want to "tear down the system" as if it's to blame for these acts of individual racism. Yet the system is, generally speaking, NOT racist. That doesn't mean that all individual racism has been eliminated. Of course. I don't think it probably ever will be totally purged. But the "system" of the USA is the story of freedom imperfectly applied at the country's birth in 1776, and then our journey to bring everybody under it - from the Constitution and Bill of Rights in 1790, the Civil War, 13th Amendment, Women's Suffrage and the 19th Amendment, the Civil Rights movement and on and on.

Preach has the look on his face of a kid who's forced to visit his least favorite aunt for 2 hours.

Great job breaking down a tough subject. I’ve studied this topic and taught it and it’s difficult for most to grasp, mostly because of political bias. Ben is a victim of the the same problem and he’s smart enough to know this. He omits premises that counter him on purpose and that makes his disingenuous. The solution is similar to what you both said, it’s an individual and a systemic problem. Complex problems are usually never one or the other.

Re-watching this, i have so much respect for Aba for holding his ground and giving him the benefit of the doubt. I find it to be such a Nobel outlook to life. Really going to try and put this into my everyday life. Will keep you posted on my progress!

According to ‘The Atlantic’ on Feb 2011, they published article “How ‘Washington’ Became the Blackest Name in America. They mentioned that 90% of 163,036 were AA, and they theorized that when slaves were given their freedom they chose particular last names and this was among one of them.

I like how these guys were disagreeing but still open to what he would say next. I love this

@captaincaveman8532

3 жыл бұрын

If people listened more and talked less, we would have so much more understanding and far less conflict in this world

@captaincaveman8532

3 жыл бұрын

I am fans of both and I agree that sometimes Ben doesn't see the full picture when it comes to topics like this. I don't agree with everything he says but I do like how transparent he is with his sources so you can research yourself.

@kamfromtmrradio3088

3 жыл бұрын

Thats because they are coming from a place of understanding and finding a solution....good faith. Can Ben say the same?

@captaincaveman8532

3 жыл бұрын

@@kamfromtmrradio3088 Ben absolutely does compromise with many things but he also has strong Judaic values that he isn't willing to stray from. That's his prerogative and he has every right to his beliefs. He doesn't hold back when he is in debate mode and that's because his goal is to win the argument.

@kamfromtmrradio3088

3 жыл бұрын

@@captaincaveman8532 spare me my man. I know the type of dude Ben is. His Jewish roots have nothing to do with that. He doesnt debate from a healthy place of good faith but to be right even when he is objectively wrong. Case and point this video.

I just googled the most common black last names and jefferson is 74.24% of the population and washington was 87.53% who would have thought?

I had to write an essay on that video in college. I said it was the most racist thing I’ve ever heard and I couldn’t believe the school was taking it seriously.

About the Washington and Jefferson last name thing, history lesson time. When slavery in the US legally ended, many former slaves had to literally make up last or surnames for themselves as they did not have one before. This caused many to just use well known or famous last names like Washington and Jefferson. Tidbit of history, thanks to whoever reads this comment.

@FrederickLeland

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I also looked this up and found similar information.

@ramyapierce5579

3 жыл бұрын

Also slave owners would give their slaves their last names to show ownership.

@drethethinker6418

3 жыл бұрын

I understood that...just like I know many slaves have their owners last names. The question is how many people actually associate these last names with Black people? Not all people know that those last names are held by mostly Black people.

@themadvolunteer

3 жыл бұрын

So my guess is the study just found two names, or more, where the percentage was extreme that a black person would have it. Of all the people with the last name Washington 87% are black, and Jefferson 75%. However, the rank 615 and 195 on the ranking of "How common is your surname?". Williams is the 3rd most common last name and juat a little more common for blacks than whites. Jackson is the 19th most common last name and 53% black compared to 40% white have that last name. That is the first rank where there is a clear difference. You dont see another clear difference until you get to ranking 292, BANKS, where blacks having that name account for 54% and whites account for 39%. Again, Ben was quoting the names from the study, not just randomly pulling names. The STUDY should have included other more common names, not just names that are historically black.

@emilycanfield2634

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramyapierce5579 Both of your points make sense, slaves had their "owners" name so when slavery finally ended they probably wanted to shed that name that meant they were owned by this person or family, and create their own family name. So like MJ said, they made them up or pulled them from inspired places

"Why can't it be both?" Because Politics, that's why.

@Anikin3-

3 жыл бұрын

Because most things can't be two things at the same time

@lucyandecember2843

3 жыл бұрын

@@Anikin3- Most things are multiple things at the same time, everything is intertwined.

@Anikin3-

3 жыл бұрын

@@lucyandecember2843 the glass can't be half empty and half full at the same time tho

@Raussl

3 жыл бұрын

@@Anikin3- your example literally states a condition that describes the same thing from 2 perspectives. That is even the whole point of the metaphor. You tried to devalue December's statement, and accidently made his point for him/her. /facepalm

@Anikin3-

3 жыл бұрын

@@Raussl dude the water level is right in the middle of the cup

Comment section is very calm and educated from both sides. Nice to see. 🙂✌🏾

I taught for 12 years at an inner ring suburb school outside Cleveland and the bulk of our student population were families had moved from poorer locations in Cleveland to our district so they could go to a better school. Most everything you described about what would happen has happened there.

What draws me into your channel is that even when you heavily disagree with people, you still are humble enough to acknowledge the good points that are made which makes you and your channel rather unique. Great video as always.

@caitlin6935

4 жыл бұрын

Only Aba, I rarely see Preach doing this.

Ben Shapiro has a podcast you can call in. I would LOVE to hear you guys call him and challenge on the video....respectfully of course 😉

@OnlyTruths18

4 жыл бұрын

They won't.

@P3RSONALD3VIS3

4 жыл бұрын

They won't. They know they aren't equipped for live debates.

@Shock_Treatment

4 жыл бұрын

@@OnlyTruths18 Yeah, because Ben will wreck them.

@seyniole1898

4 жыл бұрын

Nah they should with the obvious premise that he'll pull up stats that you cannot confirm live. Get those stats and sources (I'm pretty sure ben will be glad to email them...ideally as many as you can and of topics you want) and if he's right he's right.

@TheForbiddenOne55

4 жыл бұрын

No matter what, when you step into someone else's platform you're more likely to get out talked because 1. Their audience is automatically pulling for the host, so no matter if the caller makes good points, they will be disregarded, 2. typically, the caller is on the defense so the host can barrage the caller with a bunch of points with limited time to answer, then whe they are answering one question, they get barraged with questions attacking a tangent point so they're reeling trying to address all the different points. I've watched/ listen to conservative and liberal talk shows/ podcasts and they all typically go the same way. The host is more about winning an argument rather than having a real discussion and nothing ever gets solved.

He's not lying, he's just qualifying the information in the way that he likes.

@Augrills

Жыл бұрын

What he said about redlining is a flat out lie even according to the article he cited

Ben really doesn't know what he's talking about. 😐 this man has been fooled by a master, where's Palpatine hiding?

"It so happens that whites were turned down for mortgage loans at a higher rate than Asian Americans, but that fact seldom made it into the newspaper headlines or the political rhetoric. Nor did either the mainstream media or political leaders mention the fact that black-owned banks turned down black mortgage loan applicants at least as often as white-owned banks did." - Sowell

@truthseeker6377

4 жыл бұрын

This should be the top comment. Thomas Sowell, greatest black thinker alive and most don't even know who he is. But blame that on "systemic racism" too instead of your ignorant, ghetto asses.

@bobtwista

4 жыл бұрын

Its 60% white vs what 8% asian, it makes sense white ppl wld get turned away more 😆 there is more of u theres more that aint qualified for a loan lol

@bobtwista

4 жыл бұрын

And black owned banks are following the rules they must to be accepted in the banking community 😆

@bceaser1

4 жыл бұрын

@@truthseeker6377 He isn't greatest black thinker alive...He is one of the best alive period.

@patricklanglois9771

4 жыл бұрын

@Windigo Jones amen

As a white southern conservative, I appreciate the unbiased discussion. It’s constructive and critical at the same time. We need more intelligent conversation like this at higher levels. I wish both sides would drop narratives and focus on non political solutions. I learned things that I didn’t know before and I’m thankful.

@soren_4766

2 жыл бұрын

may I ask what a non political solution would look like?

@nothere2610

2 жыл бұрын

@@soren_4766 People trying to understand each other and show respect with a non political angle or agenda outside of a large organization

@soren_4766

2 жыл бұрын

@@nothere2610 impossible when racism isn't merely a social phenomenon but ingrained within fundamental institutions.

@nothere2610

2 жыл бұрын

@@soren_4766 You're very right but it must start with the people outside of those of those tribalized groups are else it won't even have a chance

@soren_4766

2 жыл бұрын

@@nothere2610 i understand what you mean, informing the public and what not, but the education system counts as an institution. therefore, if we teach necessary topics to the new generations they are less likely to grow up and be a bigot. when there was an uproar after floyds passing, was that not enough to inform and unite the public? with the sole cause of bringing justice to a fellow human being, if that wasn't enough, then how many more innocent black people must die before everyone wakes up?

Gold 🥇 third vid in a row and im dying. Subbed, thank you

One thing i’ve noticed is things that people like Ben Shapiro are saying are rarely said by people of poverty stricken communities. You guys nailed it when you said its racism and its personal choices.

@diegotobaski9801

Жыл бұрын

That's kinda odd, considering Shapiro himself had humble beginnings.

In the modern day USA, racism still exists, but it's NOT THE ONLY reason for lack of success. The problem is that people use it as a cop out/excuse when they don't don't apply themselves & succeed.

@ant2290

4 жыл бұрын

🙌🏽

@LUVBUG24K

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

@samlsd9711

4 жыл бұрын

There are also people who try their best, but still remain in the bottom. You can't judge by sitting at home or because you have had opportunities wide open for yourself.

@irvxing

4 жыл бұрын

I'm Hispanic and doing well for myself. I hate when my mom brings up that hispanics can't succeed because we're look down upon. Success is entirely up to the individual. Racism does exist but it's not a universal barrier that affects everyone and every one of your decisions. Sure, we might encounter racism that prohibits us from doing whatever we set out to do. But there's always another opportunity its not 1 and done then cry. We can all succeed if we put the effort and apply ourselves.

@rob_over_9000

4 жыл бұрын

@@samlsd9711 You don't know he/she had opportunities wide open. There are plenty of people who try their best, but their best isn't good enough. You find another fucking level and you keep grinding. If you can't handle that, guess what? You're right where you belong.

Y’all should invite him on your show. He would probably love to talk with y’all! 😊

@500ml_in_6minutes

3 жыл бұрын

He would change their minds or wreck them.

@davidrele

3 жыл бұрын

@@500ml_in_6minutes it's easy for you to say, - you're stupid. Your brain is easily wrecked and changed for the worse.

@forrealforreal588

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think they could possibly prepare for his style of arguing

@user-vl7uf5lu6x

3 жыл бұрын

@@forrealforreal588 It would be hard to argue with someone who is smart

@mikehawkertz9237

3 жыл бұрын

That would be actually pretty interesting

Thanks! I love this convo

The thing with last names is, in the past when slaves were finally released they needed a last name and many had lost their own heritage to be able to take a name that culturally represented where they came from so often times they took the last name of their last "owner" which were white men... so over the years those last names are passed down and used, to this day, by families of both ends of the beautiful flesh toned spectrum. It's almost impossible to use those last names to identify people's skin color. 🤔 wonder why Ben wouldn't touch on that factoid...

@yasonthebeat

2 жыл бұрын

he omits certain aspects of his argument hoping we don't notice and agree wit him

he was "debunking" the idea that you can lay everything at the feet of racism, as he states at the end of the video.

@mad4song01

4 жыл бұрын

Lord Jay you weren’t listening. He was debunking the idea that everything can be laid at the feet of systemic racism, not that it doesn’t exist.

@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593

4 жыл бұрын

It sounds to me like there's definitely anti-black systemic discrimination, however it's pretty clear that the source of this are the financial and politicial elites as opposed to your average white person. The takeaway here is that BLM needs to stop alienating white people who are in support of black success in society and enemies of white people neutral towards it by accusing all white people of racism and painting them as hateful bigots.

@Johanisnotreal

4 жыл бұрын

@Lord Jay they skipped Te beginning of the video where Ben said he was debunking the video itself. He said in the beginning there two types of systemic racism and he was arguing for one

@cursedclover1339

4 жыл бұрын

Racism is one of the main contributers next to class which leads to economic strife in the black community he didn't debunk anything nobody is saying race is the only issue unless they're spec ed

@HotSoggyCheetos

4 жыл бұрын

@@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593 Well said! The news media (mostly White) paints this false narrative of not trusting white people, but you can trust me because i am a woke news personality and I am on your side.

I think Ben was just trying to show the reason’s other than systemic racism that were contributing factors. The guy in the video laid out the argument for the systemic reasons so Ben tried to show that it wasn’t the only contributor. Don’t think he’s trying to say it doesn’t exist, just trying to point out the many over exaggerations in the video

@bfgbfg6515

4 жыл бұрын

I think this statement here is the truth , be told .

@hiimricky9617

4 жыл бұрын

No Ben just didn’t believe in systematic racism.

@bane3991

4 жыл бұрын

@@hiimricky9617 He acknowledged its existence in the video so you're wrong.

@Johanisnotreal

4 жыл бұрын

The point of his video was debunking the video he was reacting to not systemic racism itself

@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593

4 жыл бұрын

It sounds to me like there's definitely anti-black systemic discrimination, however it's pretty clear that the source of this are the financial and politicial elites as opposed to your average white person. The takeaway here is that BLM needs to stop alienating white people who are in support of black success in society and enemies of white people neutral towards it by accusing all white people of racism and painting them as hateful bigots.

Hello from Flint, Michigan!!!

I really respect the way you guys approach this. If we all learned to talk about things with each other even things that we disagree on with respect for each other things in this world wouldn’t be so bad.

Why does everyone cry about the lack of access to the "good schools", but votes with a party that is against SCHOOL CHOICE?

@ebbyoma7008

3 жыл бұрын

honestly, good question

@theworst4297

3 жыл бұрын

Why not properly fund the schools that are already in the neighborhood the family lives in. School voucher can only go so far and are an individualistic solution to a bigger issue. You can't take all the students from one school to put them in a bunch of others (probably farther) schools.

@aliciag1287

3 жыл бұрын

@@theworst4297 If you want to see a school "rise to the occasion", allow charter schools to compete. When public schools have nonstop funding with little accountability (actually, low scoring schools get MORE funding, not less), they have ZERO incentive to change. Plus, the unions make sure that teachers are okay to be mediocre, so long as they vote Blue and pay their dues. Believe me, i worked for a school in the lowest scoring County in California and handled the school's budget.

@theworst4297

3 жыл бұрын

@@aliciag1287 that still doesn't really go against the statements I have made. We should totally sift out bad teachers and train better teachers. I totally agree, the public school structure doesn't really require for teachers to grow and get better at their jobs.

@aliciag1287

3 жыл бұрын

So as teachers get better, and when they know that every family has a voucher in their hand they can make their OWN decision to go to the school they want, the schools will begin to compete to be the recipient of as many vouchers as possible. No vouchers, no more school.

google search of top black last names in america. "The 2000 U.S. Census counted 163,036 people with the surname Washington. Ninety percent of them were African-American, a far higher black percentage than for any other common name." "Smith was at 23%, Johnson was at 34%"

@willconstantinople6434

4 жыл бұрын

I came to the comments for the same reason! Ben's point was valid, based on data, rather than the experience-based response of Aba and Preach!!

@jimgraves2229

4 жыл бұрын

Please, link your information.

@TristanMor

4 жыл бұрын

www.nbcnews.com/id/41704238/ns/us_news-life/t/washington-blackest-name-america/

@Heard2

4 жыл бұрын

@@willconstantinople6434 one discriminates based on their feelings and experience, not data if the employer FEELS Jones is more of a black name than Washington based on the employer's EXPERIENCE, that is more of a factor than real data

@willconstantinople6434

4 жыл бұрын

@@Heard2 your point is valid, regarding how people actually behave, but the flip side to that is that their experience of 'data' (the commonality of these surnames for example among black people they meet, consider for jobs, etc.) over time is likely to alter their perception. They might feel that Jones is a 'more black name', but it wouldn't take many experiences of meeting black people with the surname Washington or Jefferson to change their feeling. This won't be universal, obviously, as people's interactions aren't identical, but reflects the fact that our views (prejudicial or otherwise) are neither formed in a vacuum nor immutable. Also, to be fair, the specific point that I was addressing in the video was how incredulous they both seemed at a point that is actually supported by data - they seemed to treat as ridiculous the idea that 'Washington' and 'Jefferson' are 'black names', when there does seem to be a strong correlation.

Good video, noticing that Ben likes to expand on simple points until the topic gets so convoluted you almost get the impression everything is because of something that is no one's fault and it's too complicated to bring up when really most types of racism are simple and easy to pass on through dogma generation to generation. It's a look, it's a private thought that manifests itself and makes you behave differently around different people, it's as simple as having a batch of videos curated for you based on your interest that makes you go "oh so that's what this person and his or her community is like". You may be racist but that doesn't make you a malicious person, it does mean however that you are willing to judge another human being before you have enough information on the individual to make any sound points which we should all hold ourselves accountable for.

In my mind, it's important to distinguish between systemic racism that is society wide versus concentrated in some institutions. Too often, people will describe systemic racism as if everyone is in on it when that is clearly not the case.

@BriseisMusic

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with that. And even then, that systemic racism in that industry might really be in specific regions of a country rather than the whole country.

@_VISION.

2 жыл бұрын

Because people are in on it. They just don't know it. It was a autonomous far before we were born. We were born into a bunch of shit that was already created for us to inherit. Just because you don't know that you get opportunities because you're white, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Objectivity is both systemic and social. One feeds into the other and vice versa. You don't eradicate racism because you enforce some act that tells people how a group of people should be treated. They just can't explicitly express it in your policies.

Race, Ethnicity, gender should be removed from all applications (college, work, financial, etc...) Credit history should be the only thing that matters on financial applications, grades/scores should be the only thing that matter on college applications, employment/legal history and degrees should be the only things that matter on employment applications.

@nyambsdeborah8954

3 жыл бұрын

Yessss

@BenHope

3 жыл бұрын

Well college is very relevant as a having the same GPA at Harvard compared to an average college is nowhere near the same

@NietzscheanMan

3 жыл бұрын

It allcomes down to iq, the distribution of which varies substantially across races.

@donaldcake1

3 жыл бұрын

not credit history as that just pushes people to get debt

@wellsyaknow

3 жыл бұрын

same goes for voting!! we shouldn't know any of what you just said ...just vote 1. 2. 3 based on the values and promises they bring to the table...then when it comes to the tally and such it could be like a gender reveal party ...BLAM this is what we got lol

Ben "DEBUNKED" the video itself. Not the cause. The video in question made it sound like it was the gospel truth.

@redx589

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder and many others have already debunked systemic rascism.

@redx589

3 жыл бұрын

@ExQtics Of course you can. It's already been done. There is no proof of systemic racism. Again, guys like Larry Elder and Thomas Sowell have already torn that narrative apart. It doesn't exist.

@raycarden7941

3 жыл бұрын

@ExQtics debunk doesn't just mean proving something non-existent, it also means reducing the inflated reputation of something or someone.

@redx589

3 жыл бұрын

@ExQtics Thats nonsense and you still have no proof. I'm an atheist btw. You're not going to convince me of anything with god arguments. lol. You need actual evidence and proof of your claims. Not a vague feeling in your gut that "teh systum is rahcist".

It's so rare to hear a cohesive statement of what systemic racism even is that I'm glad you guys chose to make this video. I've heard so many different folks try to explain what it is they mean by that but never quite making sense to me. I think it's more because they always seem to say systemic racism is the cause of all their problems and is the only cause of any problem. Which is just..... so irritating. I try to listen but when folks are dismissing obvious issues so that they can talk about themselves I shut down... Y'all don't do that, thank you.

@_VISION.

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh nobody really listens and nobody understand that a lot of the systemic racism is subconscious. That's already a tough task for a psychological to get you to see how your unconscious actions affect you whether you are aware of it or not. The issue is when people go to political media outlets and call that research, just because they memorized what Ben Shapiro says, instead of actually looking at all sides with historical context and empathy. Just because something is difficult to explain, doesn't mean that the people who are trying to explain it are lying. Logic only analyzes propositions, not what the propositions are referencing.

Here is another truth that needs to be acknowledged. Many school districts in poor and low income communities DGAF! They want poor performing kids to keep the prison going. My school district receives $9000-13, 000 per kid annually. That is on par with the amount of money it cost to send your kid to a local private school, and yet private schools and homeschools consistently outperform the public schools., often with far less money. In many cases across the US it is not a matter of not having enough money, but rather a b;Oates system, controlled by school boards and unions who are more concerned about protecting jobs and are working in conjunction with the “system.” They are more concerned with brainwashing students and showing off just enough “successes”. To roil out at graduation, but they don’t care about the majority of students. The one thing I do agree with Ben on is passing the “backpack bill” which lets your money go where your kid goes-including homeschool. Hell, many of the teachers themselves are only there so they can get their student loans paid off. The ones who do actually care are not allowed to teach, but are force to spend the majority of their time teaching to a test or teaching stupid courses students don’;t even need just to keep the money in the system. ZI’ll stop now ‘cause if I keep going I’ll wind up writing a book.

Bens point is that people who believe systemic racism is the answer for all inequality is wrong.

@PSimAsleep

3 жыл бұрын

And he’s right about that it’s a factor not the cause

@meghanschuler4739

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@Martick05545

3 жыл бұрын

@Jorge Adame I systematically murdered someone, does that make its societies fault? Putting the word systematically in front of the act doesn't displace blame for the actors actions. You act as if cops are ganging up and planting evidence on black folks to frame them for crimes they didn't commit. The reality is acts like you are describing are outliers and shouldn't be used to reflect the majority of good-doers. These people are guilty of racist crimes, but just because one or two cops do it doesn't mean all cops are bad.

@Martick05545

3 жыл бұрын

@Jorge Adame If I use my credit card to buy a gun and then shoot someone with said gun, is it the credit card company's fault? No. You can't displace blame like this because the individual is the person accountable for their actions.

@meghanschuler4739

3 жыл бұрын

@Jorge Adame bud, if u put drugs in my car, and the system arrests me, thats bc ur an asshole, not because it's racism. For the love of God stop saying this shit. U wanna know how u end racism, stop making everything about race. Call bad behavior and bad individuals out, but don't call it systematic. Thats just not true.

saying "redlining still exists even though the law has been passed" isn't a great argument. it's like saying "murder still exists even though the law has been passed." redlining is NEVER going to end, because people will break the law. that means that redlining today is inherently GOING AGAINST the "system." that makes it sort of the opposite of "systemic"

@Hgxts

4 жыл бұрын

So we need to report them not wine about it and the thing is we don't tolerate redlining, that's why your argument doesn't work if a country made something illegal it doesn't mean its going to stop immediately we have to enforce our laws and report those who may be involved doing this, and it is hard to find out if someone is doing it since it can be easily covered up

@OkyioBlack

4 жыл бұрын

That is true, however wealth is something that doesn't change that much through generations, and if your grand parents were victims of red lining, changes are, it's going to affect your socioeconomic status as well.

@maryc3102

4 жыл бұрын

But if redlining is being done covertly by institutions, how is it not systemic? From what I know from the definition, not only the laws and government include what's considered a system

@1996killerman

4 жыл бұрын

So we need to report them.and not whine. Yeah guys so report the banks, we'll get them to change their minds. Just gotta stop whining LMFAOOO

@sayonara288

4 жыл бұрын

wouldn't it be a part of the system since there isn't anything/ anyone actively trying to prevent it?

Love the content! Keep it up!

When I hear the last name "Jefferson" the first thought that comes to my mind is "the jeffersons" lol

I want to see Ben Shapiro‘s response, I feel like a very interesting discussion can come of it.

@tyrantula767

4 жыл бұрын

With the number of views this reaction video is getting, there will for sure be a response to this reaction video.

@herusalex

4 жыл бұрын

Phil I’d want to see it but I really doubt he would.

@ibrahimshahzad6559

4 жыл бұрын

I've seen quite a few Ben Shapiro videos at this point on systemic racism and I find them quite unintelligible. His annalysis always begins and ends with legislation its like any other forces are invisible to him. Furthermore, when presented with evidence he will milk every other possibility except race in explaining it to the point of uncomfortability. So I don't really think the discussion will be interesting.. I do hope Ben gets educated if indeed these are his genuine views.

@Ghettofinger

4 жыл бұрын

GoatSuperHero No, watch his “discussion” with Andrew Neil, with just a small amount of pushback, the fool breaks down. The idiots in America coddle the idiot because they want to creat a brand around him. Even when trying to “destroy” college kids he struggles on occasion. He would never purposefully put himself in a position where he would truly be challenged.

@keevancrawford6708

4 жыл бұрын

No you don’t. Ben is an idiot

I really wish more people saw things like Aba. Most people are like preach and want to completely dismiss what Shapiro said. While Aba acknowledges that both sides are right and that both sides are intentionally dismissing the other side solely for political gain.

@ainsleydavid9721

4 жыл бұрын

This comment 👏🏾 💯

@EdysonDufort

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! When need more people who can see the right and wrong of both sides. Especially in the race debates and the feminism vs man's right debates and we need to stop avoiding discussing sensitive subject.

@ashablack2291

4 жыл бұрын

Preach is married to a white woman so he get to compare things of this matter on a daily. Aba is intelligent but lacks real life experiences am sure in ten years his views will change.

@bbbbbbb51

4 жыл бұрын

I love Preach, but when he gets triggered by something he stops thinking & his emotions get the best of him. He wears how he feels & thinks on his face. I always appreciate his perspective though.

@Lerkero

4 жыл бұрын

I think preach was on point throughout the entire video. Shapiro is dismissing a lot of important factors in order to disingenuously prove his point

Great piece gents. This is how we improve race relations and help up those struggling - not by pointing at eachother and saying you are bad.

Yo Preach side eye is too funny 😂

I like that you said both matters. Coming from a poor family & being white I can't speak on the black experience. I can say class is real. The way banks, teachers, cops everyone treats the poorest people are horrible. Great conversation guys.

@scourge8097

2 жыл бұрын

Of course...I remember Bill Burr (who is married to a black woman and has two young black children, so...he has a 'dog in this fight so to speak,') but he argued white privilege is kinda silly and doesn't exist because you've got this white kid who's been sexually abused, raised in poverty and he's got privilege over Will Smith's son. I think he misses the point though. It's not JUST about race, but it's pretty straight forward...in general, black people have had it much worse in this country historically. That redlining was outlawed AS EARLY as 1968 doesn't mean it didn't still exist well into the 1980s. Anecdotal, but a story about a Green Bay Packer who tried to move to a white area where I live in Wisconsin (actually...late 70s, but it leaked into the 1980s). They burned a fucking cross on his lawn and threw rocks at his house. This is in a suburban middle-upper class community. My Grandparents bought a house for 35K in 1960, it was worth several million when they sold it. But NOW it's getting to be just as hard for everyone. My parents bought a house for 63K that's worth 500K now. They bought it 2 years after the former Packer(who was and is beloved among the fan base) was kinda run out. All people can have obstacles...I think the point is that if you're black, many of those obstacles were put in place by white people and simply to obstruct people of color.

@dfredankey

2 жыл бұрын

@@scourge8097 white privilege is speaking on how the average livelihood of a whites person vs a black is different due past institutions and some aren’t completely done away with or systems are in place to help people who’ve been stomped so low! It’s about the MACRO scale Not the micro individual scale! Of course every individual may have a shitty life black or whites! It’s like single parent vs both parents! With me comparing single parenting to black people and having both to white people! Having both doesn’t automatically mean you’ll be successful since they’re shitty parents you can be born into or life can just operate differently! And you can say having a single parent doesn’t automatically equate to failing because you can have a great single parent or you can personally develop to overcome those challenges ! But there is no denying that it would be harder and you’re at a disadvantage for having a single parent! Same thing with race in America !

@ferrisbueller9991

2 жыл бұрын

Classism seems more powerful (from my subjective pov). Rich white people get together to call poor white people white trash. (When Irish people first came over, they were called, among other things, "white (n-words)." I'm not saying the Irish struggle compares to the black struggle, a lot of it had to do with the hatred of Catholicism at the time. The Italians were put down for the same thing, not being protestant/a WASP.

According to the U.S. Census, the ‘blackest’ surname in America is Washington. Of all the 163,036 people with the last name Washington on the 2000 census, 90% were black. Hence why it is used in this example....

@dave1the1deer1hunter

4 жыл бұрын

For me the first thing I think of Is George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. Perhaps the people reading the applications don't know many people with the surname Washington and Jefferson they may draw a similar conclusion. I guess it is similar to Wiston becoming a popular name in the caribbean community, but for me I would picture in my head Churchil if I had to visualise the name.

@legendofsaig

4 жыл бұрын

Washington was a slave owners name therefore not a black name

@TheKaneECO

4 жыл бұрын

@@legendofsaig It's a black name if 90% of the people that have it are black... That's like saying Tyrone is a white name becasue 10% of Tyrones are white.

@legendofsaig

4 жыл бұрын

TheKaneECO and how many black people were enslaved and given that last name? Pretty sure that wasn’t their last name coming from Africa 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

@TheKaneECO

4 жыл бұрын

@@legendofsaig pretty sure Tyrone isn't an African name either... What's your point? 😒

love the content, love the debate, god bless.

I am subbed to both . Nice to hear a discussion.

So it's NOT in the system. It's done illegally, then we expose it. Millions of us black people have been soaring in all aspects against all odds

@dontknow4995

4 жыл бұрын

But it can be systematic since the system isn’t doing enough to stop it.

@albiorix9645

4 жыл бұрын

Against all the single parent house holds

@sicknificantfgc7633

4 жыл бұрын

@@dontknow4995 neither are you. Maybe it is a personal problem then too? I'm just being a dick, but at the same time, since when did interpersonal issues become the governments responsibility to solve? What have they ever solved in an efficient way? Also... money is all that matters. Redlining in 2020 is only about profit margins. There are no 2020 kids avoiding black areas for the hell of it. They are simply going to the mall in whatever closest city (high income/spending area) it is located in. I really appreciate the discussions held on this channel and by its viewers tho. Maybe more people can start to see the results of a system without automatically thinking everyone involved, at least at the individual level, is hateful in some way.

@nikibronson133

4 жыл бұрын

But it is also in the system and in the institutions in this country like they literally explain that in the video

@yehbe

4 жыл бұрын

Murder doesn't exist. It has been outlawed. Hooray!

A lot of black people in America actually do have the last names Jefferson and Washington.

@KingZook_MusicTX

3 жыл бұрын

Sure but the point was that it's not an immediate "black sounding" last name. He pointed out that most people may just think of the founding fathers, as opposed to an African American person.

@GuwJuice_PttP

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve met 3 people throughout highschool all black with the last name Washington and 2 with the last name white. So these guys probably never met one.

@PoochieCollins

3 жыл бұрын

Their point's valid, I think, b/c as a white guy who's moved around a lot and dealt with a lot of black people, I don't associate the names, Jefferson and Washington as "black-sounding." I most associate them with the two US presidents.

@GuwJuice_PttP

3 жыл бұрын

Poochie Collins good for you. We all have different experiences with the people we meet. It’s not like you’ll find every person with the last name Ramirez is Mexican. There are plenty of puertorriqueños and other Latins with the last name Ramirez why can’t it be true for these names? You guys just generalize everyone together and make a big deal out of something that affected specific groups of people.

@PoochieCollins

3 жыл бұрын

@@GuwJuice_PttP : I'm not really following you, sorry. Like what do you mean by "you guys"?

Thanks for a genuinely thoughtful discussion, I learned a lot. I'm curious if the companies that preferred the identical resume from "Greg" over "Lakeesha" were ever contacted afterward. The point being to actually reduce systemic racism. Another suggestion is to eliminate names altogether on resumes. Maybe just use initials. That way, neither race nor gender are identifiable. However, a hiring staff may search for the name on search engines and social media to see if there's anything negative about a person.

@ryanjones8156

2 жыл бұрын

Not all black people have black names, the video tries to make the argument that all black people have black sounding names which is not true. Patrick Mahomes is black and doesnt have a particularly black sounding name. How your name sounds is important not just for black people but for white people as well. More popular names always have had a better chance of getting hired you can look at any baby name website and they tell you that. So the name problem is not a problem exclusive only to black people.

@cmcull987

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanjones8156 I agree with you that not all black people have black sounding names. Also, that the name problem is not exclusive to black people. There's no disagreement from me. But my concern as I hope you agree with is, if the research is valid, why is anyone being dismissed as a potential hire because of their name? It's the content of the resume that matters. If what you say is true about baby name websites telling people to name babies a certain way for better future employment, I can't speak on that. But I am saying HR people need to not take a person's name into consideration. That's just stupid, really. ****Also, I want to bring up the issue of job search algorithms. Many job offerings go through a sorting process to identify how a resume matches what is listed on the job description. If the job requires "PowerPoint" you want your resume to include "PowerPoint". Let me add that I don't know the study that had this analysis. Was it based on a person reviewing resumes or was it an algorithm matching key words? Sorry to be so wordy, but I do take this seriously. No one should be unconsidered from a job based on their name.

@ryanjones8156

2 жыл бұрын

@@cmcull987 I’m mixed but my 1st name is hard to pronounce. I always put my middle name on my resume. In the study, they sent resumes of the same qualifications and just changed the name. If it were me and I have 2 candidates with the same qualifications I’m going to choose the applicants name that I can pronounce. If they made the study where the harder name had better qualifications and the lower qualified candidates had the easier name and were called back more than it would be racist.

@ryanjones8156

2 жыл бұрын

@@cmcull987 I agree that nobody should be dismissed cause of their name because the study did people with identical qualifications the only thing to separate the 2 are names. If the harder pronounced name had better qualifications than I believe it would be unfair

@cmcull987

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanjones8156 I read you have a first that is difficult to pronounce. But later you say you would choose someone with an easier name. I would take the more timely, legal, and beneficial road of interviewing both of them.

This is why aba and preach are so great and so necessary to progress these sorts of conversations. Like aba says multiple times IT CAN BE BOTH.

Jefferson and Washington are 75% according to census an African-American surname.

@qwertyupi1

3 жыл бұрын

this would make sense since Jefferson and Washington were slave owners and passed their surname onto them creating this discrepancy

@AndrewLancaster85

3 жыл бұрын

@@qwertyupi1 that was literally what I was thinking 🤣

@Bancheis

3 жыл бұрын

Washington was listed 138th when the Census Bureau published a list of the 1,000 most common American surnames from the 2000 survey, along with ethnic data. Ninety percent of those Washingtons, numbering 146,520, were black. Only five percent, or 8,813, were white. Three percent were two or more races, 1 percent were Hispanic, and 1 percent were Asian or Pacific Islander. Jefferson was the second-blackest name, at 75 percent African-American. There were only 16,070 Lincolns, and that number was only 14 percent black.

@wolfstadt_

3 жыл бұрын

Okay but those are still white names that were passed on to african-americans through slavery. Steve Washington sounds just as white as Steve McGregor. The first name is really whats going to be the dealbreaker for a lot of people of color.

@tpagne6876

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolfstadt_ so Irish white person is less than an American white person? We are all equal.

I liked this video, however Aba&Preach don’t use the same definition of “systematic racism” as Ben Shapiro. Its hard to argue about the validity of an idea if you can’t agree on a definition for the idea.

@GowithFlorence

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Exactly what I was thinking.

@moosehat714

4 жыл бұрын

why does ben get to define what that means?

@Jacob-wz7pm

4 жыл бұрын

There is an agreed upon definition by academics and Ben’s was not it. It doesn’t mean there is a specific law but simply customs and beliefs of people in power aswell

@jay1jayf

4 жыл бұрын

@Alex Meggoe Wrong, systematic by definition has to be explicitly stated.

@IronBalls

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Meggoe Of course it does, or else it’s not systematic

I love you guys. Your content is great. You have a great mix of humor and critical thinking schools.

@patrickbertlein4626

Жыл бұрын

schools?

One of the problems with the original video is it basically ignores poor whites and rich blacks

As a Ben Shapiro fan, and an @Aba&Preach fan, I would love to see you go on Ben’s show for a Sunday special or have Ben on your show for a productive debate on this subject.

@alliestella97

4 жыл бұрын

That would be great

@frogger218

4 жыл бұрын

I second that.

@rook9309

3 жыл бұрын

There’s no reason to do this whatsoever and is completely unnecessary.

@Sahbla

3 жыл бұрын

@@rook9309 I think you should of had no reason to post that message whatsoever and it was completely unnecessary.

@rook9309

3 жыл бұрын

Sahblade - Ok. What did you have some kind of epiphany or something?

I really like how rational and well reasoned this reaction video is. That’s what a healthy discussion looks like, disagreement without disdain. Also really nice to see that even if you didn’t fully agree, you still managed to find common ground. Well done guys!

@GZZI11ION

3 жыл бұрын

there is no common ground between the oppressed and the oppressor

@REVV0219

3 жыл бұрын

@@GZZI11ION dude shut the fuck up. People like you are the reason we can’t have reasonable discussions about this shit

@GZZI11ION

3 жыл бұрын

@@REVV0219 people like you are the reason minorities die in the street

@juuleusog

3 жыл бұрын

@@GZZI11ION In some situations, yes, but in the this video, not exactly. If alsome white guy openly expressed their hatred for minorities with no dignity or self respect, then debating with that man is futile. You are not expected to put yourself in danger and talk with them. HOWEVER, if you are talking with someone about something like systematic racism, you can find a middle ground and explain your point. I hope you understand.

@thekinnschilling9115

3 жыл бұрын

@@talon310calif given how sensitive this topic is I suppose there may be some disagreement for sure, but I just thought it was it was way better than the yelling you usually see

It’s the fact that he said it was found implicit bias was hard to quantify and then proceeded to show how implicit bias riddles his mind & impacts the system😹 it may b hard to put your finger on but when you hear it you know

35:28 thats how pretty much everyone uses study, very few people ever research a view that opposes theirs

I don't think he's saying that since it's outlawed then it's not happening but rather that since it's outlawed it's not systemic.

@biglammo

4 жыл бұрын

Let's make a law calling the sky lemon drop rainbow flakes. We will then defeat skyism.

@ninjayoko773

4 жыл бұрын

That is a valid take. Although if majority of outlets( our society institutions) practices it, then its still systemic. Ultimately we've done nothing to eradicate or discourage the practice, only in name. Should their not be harsher consequences attached? Aside from settlements and lawsuits.

@YOUSSEF9587

4 жыл бұрын

yes exactly if these practices are caught or reported they punishable huge difference, and yes ben shapiro also said the consequences of red lining is still here but we are not red lining anymore huge difference

@AntoninusPius100

4 жыл бұрын

A system is defined as "a set of things working together as parts of a mechanism or an interconnecting network". Redlining is one of those "things" that are working towards modern day discrimination as the entire mechanism. So yes, as long as it's still in the works it's systemic. Unfortunately words aren't defined properly nowadays so the phrase has multiple meanings

@epickiller30

4 жыл бұрын

@@AntoninusPius100 these "things" that are "still in the works" can be breached by the true system. It's like saying that since there are drug cartels, where in selling drugs are still in the works, it's systematic drug dealing, it's still illegal and the system is set up not to deal with it.

I love how every video is Aba doing most of the talking and Preach mostly nodding in agreement, but it still wouldn't be the same without Preach.

@lemonzest_

3 жыл бұрын

Did you mix their names up?

@michaelroy6630

3 жыл бұрын

@@lemonzest_ I did indeed. RIP. Thank you for the heads up haha

Love this video 😩

29:46 Not abba having spasms 🤣

i like how unbiased you guys are about this, youre open to his arguments the whole time. we need more of this

@DreMc37

3 жыл бұрын

Amen, my guy!

@MrLamigra1337

3 жыл бұрын

Anyone not open to Ben Shapiros arguments is most likely wrong. His arguments are always solid.

@courier4529

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrLamigra1337 *Mostly. No one is perfect.

@MrLamigra1337

3 жыл бұрын

@@courier4529 i personally have not heard a Shapiro argument that wasnt solid. Understanding the man himself isn't perfect, but he chooses his arguments wisely and is very articulate in the points he makes.

@abhirupan7630

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrLamigra1337 his arguments are always solid? what? I am an ex ben shapiro dickrider, and trust me his arguments are far from solid. His sheer ignorance on research about things like the war on drugs and how black people are targeted by systems is laughable. Thank god i escaped from his ignorance, or even lies now that I think about it.

While I disagree with many of the points being racially motivated as opposed to being economically motivated, I respect anyone willing to have these conversations in a calm and rational format.

@07citychamp

3 жыл бұрын

I'm more on the economic side personally, that being I'm with you that I'm glad that civil conversations can sometimes still occur in this world of ours. It's sad to think how little you see it happen anymore though.

@dantheautoman3821

3 жыл бұрын

Tall Allen you’re probably hearing that shit about Chicago when defending a drug dealing thug that was killed by police. White people typically assume that when a white person is shot by police, they deserve it. We don’t hood riots. We don’t start multi million dollar go fund mes for some meth head that decided to fight a cop. The only time I’ve ever heard anyone reference Chicago and black on black crime is in opposition to the false narrative that police departments are inherently racist

@dantheautoman3821

3 жыл бұрын

Tall Allen how about you go take a ride along in the inner city and see what the cops are dealing with

@justchaz.

3 жыл бұрын

Really? How convenient your view is, when you start looking at this from 1968. Now would you please explain what the economic dynamics that existed before 1968 and also before the civil war? Do you know each group came out of the Civil War with? Maybe that will open your eyes to the purpose of redlining as an intent rather than pragmatism. How about the GI Bill? Economic too? You want to start at 1960s while ignoring the history since 1619. Again, how convenient.

I like how Ben can't actually name the studies he mentions. None if them