Did An Overweight Plane Cause This Crash? (Air Midwest Flight 5481) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

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On January 8th 2003, Air Midwest operating as US Airways Express Flight 5481 crashed just moments after take-off from Charlotte Douglas Airport. The crash raises some uncomfortable question with regards to flying on smaller planes. Was this plane too heavy? and what role did maintenance play in this incident?
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  • @DisasterBreakdown
    @DisasterBreakdown3 жыл бұрын

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    @precumming

    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @dh510
    @dh5103 жыл бұрын

    A nose heavy plane flies poorly, a tail heavy plane flies once…

  • @sintes88

    @sintes88

    3 жыл бұрын

    Why?

  • @confuzedpenguin9974

    @confuzedpenguin9974

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sintes88 because it crashes

  • @Dharmicaction

    @Dharmicaction

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@confuzedpenguin9974 If that was the case then all the planes would have crashed. Calculation error by the pilot led to the crash of 5481

  • @tankthearc9875

    @tankthearc9875

    2 жыл бұрын

    i wonder the percentage of female pilots in accidents. it seems there isnt many but a good amount are involved in accidents.

  • @Susannadivita

    @Susannadivita

    2 жыл бұрын

    @TANKTHEARC According to the John Hopkin's "Gender differences in General Aviation Crashes" research paper, male pilots are more likely to cause crashes due to "poor decision making, unnecessary risk-taking and inattentiveness" and have more serious consequences, while female pilots are more likely to cause crashes due to "pilot error such as inability to recover from a stall, incorrect use of the rudder and poor response to a bounce", often due to the mishandling of the aircraft's kinetics.

  • @garyalleccia2793
    @garyalleccia27933 жыл бұрын

    It was a known fact for many years the small commuter carriers were over loading their planes. Although the manufacture had recommended weight limits, many airlines considered them underrated and continued to pile on the luggage and other goods until things like this happened. Pushing the limit.. All about the money.

  • @kuro9410_ilust

    @kuro9410_ilust

    3 жыл бұрын

    if you push the limit too far the limit will get pushed back

  • @anincompetentmoron8497

    @anincompetentmoron8497

    2 жыл бұрын

    pro tip: to avoid the complications of small, regional jets... train.

  • @lbowsk

    @lbowsk

    2 жыл бұрын

    While you may be correct the overloading didn't cause the crash. It didn't help, but it's not why it crashed. Had the elevator functioned properly, we'd not be watching this video.

  • @farhanatashiga3721

    @farhanatashiga3721

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lbowsk you got that in reverse m8, the plane flew with the elevator settings like that several times already just fine. It is the overloading which unfortunately tips the balance for this particular flight.

  • @kevinmalone3210

    @kevinmalone3210

    2 жыл бұрын

    There's another factor that was involved. A faulty repair. If this aircraft would've been properly maintained. Then this accident wouldn't have happened.

  • @paddlefaster
    @paddlefaster3 жыл бұрын

    Every time I watch one of these videos I think of my brother-in-law. He can barely change the tire on a car but works as a mechanic at Logan Airport.

  • @paddlefaster

    @paddlefaster

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Chuck Yeager doubt what? That someone can be inept at their job?

  • @danieleziaco7092

    @danieleziaco7092

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well it doesn't necessarily mean he is a bad plane mechanic, in the army I have Friends that can take apart and put back together helicopter blinded but sucks with car mechanics ahaha

  • @jars7774

    @jars7774

    2 жыл бұрын

    They probably have him do anything, but tires.

  • @martinwarner1178

    @martinwarner1178

    Жыл бұрын

    44 years as a engineer, working with engineers, we had saying, "I would not fly on the plane that D-- X--- had worked on." Some people are good at their jobs, and some people are very.....average! Peace be unto you.

  • @George.Coleman
    @George.Coleman3 жыл бұрын

    In the event of a tail heavy take off: Leave gear down, induce a small bank if youre still losing airspeed despite max forward stick, this allows the aircraft to slip slightly on its sudden climb and should stop the increasing angle of attack. Use opposite rudder delicately for course correctionon if necessary. Keep a low positive rate. Use the entire length of remaining runway to gain speed and control, any obstacles at the end can be cleared using the extra speed. Flaps can also be used to help push the nose down which may aid in your recovery attempt.

  • @phantomflame0658

    @phantomflame0658

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also adjust elevator trim

  • @scotthanilton1100

    @scotthanilton1100

    Жыл бұрын

    Was there flaps on this plane? and did they have time to use them?

  • @EastTNflyer
    @EastTNflyer3 жыл бұрын

    I flew the 1900 for Air Midwest from 1999-2002 until I switched to the RJ at Mesa which is who owned Air Midwest. I knew CA Katie very well, she was a great pilot. Even today that memory on Jan 8th still hurts.

  • @ilbria5913

    @ilbria5913

    3 жыл бұрын

    I knew Katie myself as well. We went to the same university and partly worked on our commercial ratings together. Last time I saw her was in a Mexican restaurant that I worked at back in 1998.

  • @robertmcghintheorca49

    @robertmcghintheorca49

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm so sorry.

  • @jaimepablomartinezdelgado9426

    @jaimepablomartinezdelgado9426

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wasn't she too young to be a Captain? I mean no disrespect.

  • @EastTNflyer

    @EastTNflyer

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jaimepablomartinezdelgado9426 No, she met the age and flight time requirements for the ATP to be Captain.

  • @jaimepablomartinezdelgado9426

    @jaimepablomartinezdelgado9426

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@EastTNflyer Thanks for your reply Captain.

  • @nicolas2970
    @nicolas29703 жыл бұрын

    Thank You for making this well done and accurate documentary. I was a crew member based in CLT for Mesa Air Group (parent company for Air Midwest). I knew both CA Katie Leslie and FO Jonathan JJ Gibbs very well. The world lost 2 of the best pilots Jan 08. And 19 passengers lost their lives as well. I still get water works from my eyes when thinking about 5481. However the airline industry became a safer experience because of this accident. RIP to the Crew and Passengers

  • @daniellepatton2665

    @daniellepatton2665

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’m so sorry for your loss

  • @pilot-debrief
    @pilot-debrief7 ай бұрын

    Great video and reporting on this tragedy! I live in Charlotte and even though this was 20 years ago, it's still something everyone around here remembers. The details of the investigation were quite shocking and tragic.

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    @djaneczko43 жыл бұрын

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    @DisasterBreakdown

    3 жыл бұрын

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    @erikaswanson7072

    Жыл бұрын

    What a difference a year makes. Now at 109k subs! Congrats!

  • @dodoubleg2356
    @dodoubleg23563 жыл бұрын

    I really like how you went into additional details other than just the crash itself. Two thumbs way up!! 👍👍

  • @DisasterBreakdown

    @DisasterBreakdown

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your comment.

  • @hack1n8r

    @hack1n8r

    3 жыл бұрын

    Agreed. Nice job!! 😎

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    @MarshaBrady883 жыл бұрын

    I have absolutely zero interest in mechanics or airplanes but this channel was recommended to me and I've been Binge watching since last night. He really puts you in the plane

  • @MarshaBrady88

    @MarshaBrady88

    3 жыл бұрын

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    @justinwallace390

    2 жыл бұрын

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    @MarshaBrady88

    2 жыл бұрын

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    @ejcam1990

    2 жыл бұрын

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  • @MarieInnes
    @MarieInnes3 жыл бұрын

    Best flight channel on YT, such clear narration, visuals, extra info... well done, thank you.

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    @DisasterBreakdown

    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @sadrevolution

    @sadrevolution

    2 жыл бұрын

    And sources!!!

  • @gchampi2
    @gchampi23 жыл бұрын

    I remember this very well. I saw the news on the day of the accident, and passed through RDU the following day. Felt a bit strange, seeing the NTSB investigators from my seat on the BA/AA departure to LHR. The crash site was clearly visible from the runway, and it was a sobering thought that less than 24 hours before, that wreckage had been a plane taking off from the runway I was hurtling down...

  • @Bobrogers99
    @Bobrogers993 жыл бұрын

    Often, an air accident occurs when two or more factors conspire, as they did here.

  • @dunbar9finger
    @dunbar9finger2 жыл бұрын

    This has nothing to do with being overloaded (total amount of weight) and everything to do with not knowing *where* the weight is (distribution of weight). The average passenger weight calculation doesn't tell you *where* the heavier passengers are. This also applies to cargo and heavier than normal baggage. If you assume all cargo and all people have the same mass when in reality it varies then the center of mass could be in a very different place than you think. You could also have the problem if the passengers in the front rows are lighter than you think, moving the center of mass backward. The better systems in modern use measure the weight on each of the three wheels to accurately place where the center of mass is, and issue a warning when it's not within the allowed area. But that often isn't used in smaller planes. If you've ever been on a plane where the cabin crew ask passengers to move to new seats before takeoff, that's the result of this system. The pilots are seeing a reading from the independent scales in each landing gear spring that tells them the weight is too unbalanced to be allowed to take off. One solution can be to pump fuel between the tanks to change center of mass but sometimes it's faster to just move the passengers if the fuel load can't be easily moved.

  • @lbowsk

    @lbowsk

    2 жыл бұрын

    You said "The better systems in modern use measure the weight on each of the three wheels to accurately place where the center of mass is, and issue a warning when it's not within the allowed area. But that often isn't used in smaller planes". "If you've ever been on a plane where the cabin crew ask passengers to move to new seats before takeoff, that's the result of this system. The pilots are seeing a reading from the independent scales in each landing gear spring that tells them the weight is too unbalanced to be allowed to take off...." Did you pull this out of your ass? Because it's not true.

  • @jars7774

    @jars7774

    2 жыл бұрын

    It’s those extra bags of peanuts and pretzels, I tell ya.

  • @emo7636

    @emo7636

    10 ай бұрын

    Sort of, but it's not usually that fancy of thing like 'spring scales in the landing gear'. It's a calculation done by the first officer. We have seating zones, such as A, B, C, D. If the weight of 'C' is much more than 'A' (for example) then the FO will ask the flight attendant to move a certain number of passengers forward. This happened all the time when I worked, the FO would call back and ask me to 'move 6 passengers from C to A, please'.

  • @Kilo_Delt4
    @Kilo_Delt411 ай бұрын

    My dad was considered a mechanical expert on the 1900D and was brought to NC as part of the NTSB's investigation. He wouldn't tell us about his time there and only recently told me that when he was brought to the crash site to begin auditing for mechanical failure, the bodies were still present on the crash site. That was all I could get him to say on the matter apart from how that year was when he truly began to consider retirement. RIP to all who were killed in this tragedy and condolences to all who were affected directly or indirectly.

  • @thydakhan5622
    @thydakhan56223 жыл бұрын

    i am truly astonished when i come across such beautifully done youtube videos and very intelligent commentators like yourself especially on aero dynamics lol. Just amazing videos please don’t stop

  • @robertmcghintheorca49
    @robertmcghintheorca498 ай бұрын

    One thing that deserves a mention is that Douglas and Tereasa Shepard, whose daughter, Christiana was lost in the crash went a step further by not only demanding financial compensation from Air Midwest, but also an apology. They did this by putting a face to their daughter's name. Well, in the end, the airline did deliver a full public apology to the relatives and associates of the 21 people who perished that day, and this actually proved to be somewhat precedent setting.

  • @balesjo
    @balesjo3 жыл бұрын

    Air Midwest is a name I hadn't thought of in many years. Back during grad school, I worked for a regional commuter that merged with Air Midwest back in 1985. I interviewed for a couple of positions with them but passed due their instituting a 2-tier pay structure, with those from the merged airline being paid less. Plus at the time having to relocate to Wichita, KS. Sorry to hear of the crash and their later demise.

  • @joshhill5932
    @joshhill59323 жыл бұрын

    Why would anyone take a flight of only 70 miles? It is only about an hour drive. By the time you go to the airport, get on the plane, make the flight and leave the next airport you have waisted far more time than just driving.

  • @Ellie-rx3jt

    @Ellie-rx3jt

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's way cheaper than a taxi. Take a plane to a big airport and then hop to a smaller one (or the other way around) and you save a hundred dollars or so on taxi fare. It's not locals doing it to go shopping or something.

  • @tomlawrence1335

    @tomlawrence1335

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also depends on location, just because you can fly straight there doesnt always mean you can get straight there by driving.

  • @lbowsk

    @lbowsk

    2 жыл бұрын

    PERHAPS they originated somewhere MUCH further away than 70 miles and took an airplane ride TO Charlotte because that's where the connection was? We're not talking rocket science here.

  • @ajeltheflightsimmer

    @ajeltheflightsimmer

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@lbowskThere's a thing of connecting flights.

  • @muls9571

    @muls9571

    4 ай бұрын

    It's not people using planes as buses 😂 it's likely tourists/visitors who may not be renting cars or want to spend a small fortune on taxis

  • @michaelmcginnis1429
    @michaelmcginnis14293 жыл бұрын

    I remember seeing this on the news the day it happened. Also, I remember seeing a documentary that gave more of the blame to the maintenance worker (singular). Apparently, a nut was not tightened far enough down a screw which hampered this plane's ability to nose down. Further, the maintenance worker was allowed to sign his own QA paperwork instead of having it inspected by QA. The documentary went on to include the increased average weight of passengers and the miscalculation of the COB. I find it interesting that this channel puts more emphasis on the cause towards the misbalanced load vs shotty maintenance when compared to the documentary.

  • @michaelmcginnis1429

    @michaelmcginnis1429

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Chuck Yeager I stand by my statement. This video puts more emphasis on the misbalanced load vs the maintenance work.

  • @Neymarinet
    @Neymarinet3 жыл бұрын

    >average american passenger weighs 200 pounds the eternal burger

  • @josephmassaro

    @josephmassaro

    3 жыл бұрын

    Apparently obesity does kill.

  • @caiuscosades6423

    @caiuscosades6423

    2 жыл бұрын

    Whiter than you Achmed.

  • @noahgibson482
    @noahgibson4823 жыл бұрын

    Definitely joining Patreon, I have no idea how there isn’t a scrolling list of hundreds of people. This is a criminally underrated channel and everyone here in this community loves what you do. Thank you for everything and I will be supporting on Patreon first thing in the morning.

  • @parapsychologist5402
    @parapsychologist54023 жыл бұрын

    I use to load smaller planes working for 3 Airline's and every bag was guesstimate not a exact weight.

  • @shabberplasm32
    @shabberplasm323 жыл бұрын

    Your channel is absolutely fantastic. I really appreciate how much research you do and the amount of details you put into each accident.

  • @thewhorenextdoor8268
    @thewhorenextdoor82683 жыл бұрын

    Very good analysis mate, but you forgot to mention crew overload, as the captain was working as a waitress as well as she had to drive a long and tiring way before she gets her flight.

  • @topiasr628
    @topiasr6282 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the top notch work! And a second thank you for citing your sources. I wish this was more common

  • @scottcol23
    @scottcol232 жыл бұрын

    I love your videos. You are the only channel that goes into fine details starting with the plane and its history. It really helps people that dont know much about GA or smaller Turbo props. Keep up the amazing work. Im still working my way through your old videos.

  • @Lifehatepwn
    @Lifehatepwn3 жыл бұрын

    This channel deserves way more subs.

  • @JIMJAMSC
    @JIMJAMSC3 жыл бұрын

    So similar to a fatal accident I witnessed. I am based out of Columbia SC and the FBO blares ground and tower comms from speakers so linemen know planes are inbound. A 402B used for freight took off and immediately started wildly pitching up and down. He got to about 300 agl and was screaming the entire time. Made it 3/4 around the circuit and when reducing power went straight in and exploded. It was concluded the planes elevator was adjusted just hours earlier. He made it was Charlotte to Columbia, then it happened. Maint had not properly secured the elevator connection and iirc a shift change happened and the final check was never completed.

  • @patriciaramsey5294
    @patriciaramsey52942 жыл бұрын

    Very well explained. Good job!

  • @linaagustina1550
    @linaagustina15503 жыл бұрын

    This channel is so underrated pls 😭

  • @oxcart4172
    @oxcart41723 жыл бұрын

    Surely it should be possible to put sensors on the landing gear that would be able to tell if the aeroplane is overweight or the c of g is out of the required range?

  • @marc-andreservant201

    @marc-andreservant201

    2 жыл бұрын

    It would be pretty easy to do, the planes already have hydraulic shocks. Just put a spring loaded ball attached to a bright red flag along the top of the cylinder. Too much pressure = obvious red "OVERWEIGHT" flag sticking out. It wouldn't be fail safe however, as any junk/obstruction/corrosion would make the flag pop out at too high a weight.

  • @dunbar9finger

    @dunbar9finger

    2 жыл бұрын

    They do have this on larger planes. In fact it also tells them *where* the center of mass is since it can calculate that from reading the weight in three different locations (left gear, right gear, and nose gear). The bigger problem isn't how much the plane weighed but that since the extra weight was in the back, it moved the center of mass behind the wings. The *location* of the mass was a far bigger problem here than just the sheer total amount of it, so having the measure in three locations to find the center of mass was a large helpful safety measure. But smaller planes often don't have that system.

  • @lbowsk

    @lbowsk

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dunbar9finger I've flown the airbus and most of the Boeings. None of them have this system.

  • @debbieannsmith8962
    @debbieannsmith8962 Жыл бұрын

    I love your channel. Keep up the amazing work! ❤

  • @adolfconradigharas439
    @adolfconradigharas4393 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for this brother it was very helpful. May GOD Bless you always.

  • @jamest6837
    @jamest68373 жыл бұрын

    Great job! Great channel! Subscribed!

  • @deenasmusicbox
    @deenasmusicbox3 жыл бұрын

    Excellent work!

  • @robertmcghintheorca49
    @robertmcghintheorca493 жыл бұрын

    Incidentally, the weight average was so old that it hadn't been revised since 1936.

  • @bumman117
    @bumman1173 жыл бұрын

    I can't stop watching these videos

  • @bigsherk42069
    @bigsherk420693 жыл бұрын

    I live by KGSP airport, Spartanburg Greenville. It’s a decent little airport. It’s dead 24/7. FedEx has a hub there and when I worked there doing concrete work, planes would land just a a short distance ahead of us. It’s awesome every time.

  • @bigbirdwpg
    @bigbirdwpg2 жыл бұрын

    This is one of the reasons that flying makes me nervous. My life depends on a series of individuals, anyone of which, if they fuck up, can result in the deaths of everyone onboard!

  • @SamHuang69

    @SamHuang69

    2 жыл бұрын

    Do keep in mind that these videos highlight the mistakes of the past so we can correct and improve on the present! Travelling by plane only gets safer and safer over time! Also in reality, you're far more likely to die in a car crash than in a plane crash to put some things into perspective

  • @bigbirdwpg

    @bigbirdwpg

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@SamHuang69 Statistically true, none the less, still nervous. Hard to put one's life in the hands of others. Of course any idiot driving a car can kill you just as well.

  • @thema1998
    @thema19983 жыл бұрын

    It's a shame that *all* 21 people on board were killed! ☹️

  • @JuanGSR
    @JuanGSR3 жыл бұрын

    You could do a video on Air France 447, that's a very interesting accident to do a video breakdown

  • @DisasterBreakdown

    @DisasterBreakdown

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, that one is on my to do list. Thanks for your comment.

  • @xinwang9475

    @xinwang9475

    3 жыл бұрын

    And can you do a Disaster Breakdown of American Airlines 191

  • @DisasterBreakdown

    @DisasterBreakdown

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@xinwang9475 I will get round to it eventually, I have been taking note of everyone's requests.

  • @xinwang9475

    @xinwang9475

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DisasterBreakdown thank you

  • @aidanzacharyguzman1676

    @aidanzacharyguzman1676

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DisasterBreakdown What about Philippine Airlines flight 434? Could you also do that?

  • @tale3339-old
    @tale3339-old3 жыл бұрын

    I didn’t even know this happened. RIP to all who died.

  • @silasmarner7586

    @silasmarner7586

    3 жыл бұрын

    I remember when it happened. Horrible, short, nasty, brutal accident. Snuffed out in an instant. Criminally negligent maintenance administration by Raytheon. More than 1/2 the fault can be directly attributed to them and their bean counters. Teaming two very inexperienced pilots is a baaaaad idea, however having a very experienced one might not have saved them. I'd be tempted to make sure that I measure the elevators with an angle gauge EVERY time I pre-check my airplane (if I'm not doing the maintenance.). Had it been done correctly of course this video would not have been made.

  • @tale3339-old

    @tale3339-old

    3 жыл бұрын

    I was born 2 years after the crash tho

  • @ey7290
    @ey72903 жыл бұрын

    8 days before I was born, course this will get overshadowed as on the 16th January Columbia launched, only to break up at mach 18 2 weeks later

  • @android1617
    @android16173 жыл бұрын

    You deserve about 100x more subscribers

  • @linksbane
    @linksbane3 жыл бұрын

    I was living in Charlotte when this happened. Crazy, scary stuff.

  • @TheDarkRaptor
    @TheDarkRaptor3 жыл бұрын

    new video. nice!

  • @funmaster3278
    @funmaster32783 жыл бұрын

    Nice video

  • @SpiritOfRailways
    @SpiritOfRailways3 жыл бұрын

    Very good video. I think an interesting accident to look at would be SAS flight 751, the Gottröra Miracle. But that's just suggestion

  • @TheYottaTube
    @TheYottaTube3 жыл бұрын

    Interesting. It would be nice if you could make a video about: Birgenair Flight 301

  • @piepiepie57
    @piepiepie573 жыл бұрын

    Your stuff is really good. Reminds me of Fascinating Horrors except you specialize in airplanes.

  • @AvidatorYT
    @AvidatorYT3 жыл бұрын

    Would be great if you could do Aer Lingus flight 712, love your videos!

  • @bmused55
    @bmused553 жыл бұрын

    A little bit of a fact check: The popularity of the Beech 1900D did not diminish, like you state. The reason you don't see many of them now is simply that they reached end of life (for main stream operators) and were replaced by newer aircraft. This happenes to all aircraft types.

  • @jaysmith1408

    @jaysmith1408

    3 жыл бұрын

    Moreso that its job had been cut. Saab canceled the 340 (and 2000), Raytheon the 1900, Bombardier the Dash 8 100-300, Embraer the Brasilia. Small fields lost service, now with no aircraft to serve them (strangely our local field, Palmer, built a jetway, for Northwest’s Saab 340, explain that one, Northwest retired the Saab’s, and having no plane to fly, it lost service). Having no fields that required the aircraft, there was no need for a replacement. Was down in Charlotte for business a while back, the flight is now being flown by a CRJ 🤷🏼‍♂️. Our state got hit hard with the scrapping of turboprops, US Air had service to everywhere on the dash’s and 1900’s, they left. Continental took over with Commutair and/or Gulfstream and their 1900’s and Saab’s, they (having no aircraft) left. Now we have Southern in Caravans. Speedy they are not.

  • @martinkirugi254
    @martinkirugi2543 жыл бұрын

    Good job

  • @arandomthing2489
    @arandomthing24893 жыл бұрын

    How do you not have more subscribers? Your channel should have at LEAST 1 million.

  • @DisasterBreakdown

    @DisasterBreakdown

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your comment, you are too kind :)

  • @arandomthing2489

    @arandomthing2489

    3 жыл бұрын

    No problem

  • @Win1037
    @Win103721 күн бұрын

    As someone who edits for wikihow, that 2024 date was the last time that the page was updated, which could have been a minor spelling fix. The steps could easily be from 2013

  • @sct913
    @sct9132 жыл бұрын

    Even if the stated takeoff weight of 17,018 pounds had been correctly calculated, that weight still would have been over 99 percent of the maximum takeoff weight value for the aircraft. In other words, no safety margin whatsoever.

  • @ted.angell7609
    @ted.angell76093 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting.

  • @deathzone5893
    @deathzone58932 жыл бұрын

    I'm from New Zealand and didn't expect to see a 1900d beech air new zealand plane tho unfortunately Air New Zealand stopped flying them on August 2016

  • @josephconnor2310
    @josephconnor23103 жыл бұрын

    Excellent

  • @apointtomake1517
    @apointtomake15173 жыл бұрын

    You weight the bags, you weigh the people... the plane does not give a fuck if the 200lbs is from a person or a bag. Also we do not truly know the weight of all the passengers, they STILL used average weight of other flights.

  • @hanspillow278
    @hanspillow2782 жыл бұрын

    "we will also be providing the weights it metric for..... (looks at notes).... every other country in the world"

  • @cherubcherub1698
    @cherubcherub16983 жыл бұрын

    great video! one suggestion, a lot of your fans and fans of this kind of content already know this but, in case someone new comes across your video, explaining what something like airplane pitch is could help in understanding

  • @DisasterBreakdown

    @DisasterBreakdown

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your feedback and support as always. I'll see what I can do, I may give an introduction to the principals of flight for a video when the opportunity comes. It's always an interesting topic.

  • @Reegareth
    @Reegareth3 жыл бұрын

    sounds to me like this is more of a maintenance and proper management issue than overweight. Not saying it wasn't overweight because it was but often those measurements are considered the "Safe" operating parameters but can easily be surpassed by the plane. I would say that the airline should have never let the plane get past the weight limit and to think that the maintenance people restricted the pilot's ability to control the plane in such a severe way is outrageous especially when they had the proper information at hand.

  • @nightwaves3203
    @nightwaves32033 жыл бұрын

    Tough to beat. Only chance would be full pitch down with opposite trim trimming for nose up.

  • @robinsonsstudios
    @robinsonsstudios3 жыл бұрын

    Why are their no plane weighbridges on airports? I know they would be rather big but it would certainly help out a lot, you know, just the aircraft rolling onto it prior to heading to the runway to have its weight checked and then they are good to go

  • @brendan5065
    @brendan50653 жыл бұрын

    I HATED FLYING IN THOSE SMALL THINGS. Made going from Maine to Boston to NC terrible

  • @Errr717
    @Errr7173 жыл бұрын

    WOW can you imagine being on board that plane as it was heading fast towards the ground? Unreal! I think the pilots could have stabilized the plane if they had full control of the elevator. They had no chance. RIP for all.

  • @ellenorbjornsdottir1166
    @ellenorbjornsdottir11663 жыл бұрын

    Would you fly a 1900D as your personal private "jet"?

  • @mingchi1855
    @mingchi18553 жыл бұрын

    175lbs for average passenger, OK I need to lose weight then....

  • @tanlain4489
    @tanlain44892 жыл бұрын

    Quality video 🥇 knowledgeable channel 🥇 now, I know elevator is not for Elephants.

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios Жыл бұрын

    Not a pilot, but I already know from KSP how much center of mass and center of lift impact the pitch behaviour of a plane.

  • @moondeities
    @moondeities3 жыл бұрын

    Please do for the latest Sriwijaya Air flight SJ-182 crash

  • @DisasterBreakdown

    @DisasterBreakdown

    3 жыл бұрын

    I will be waiting for the official reports on that accident. I am keeping up with it though.

  • @billcallahan9303
    @billcallahan93032 жыл бұрын

    The piston Beech Queen Air 65 was an unheralded but great aircraft. It was great working with heavy loads in the mountains of Mexico. Their supercharged motors of 340 hp Lycomings were outstanding & trouble free. Beech 1900. It's not the weight. The aircraft will take the excess weight. It's the C.G.

  • @randawhite9965
    @randawhite99652 жыл бұрын

    This crash happened q day before grandmother and myself moved to Barbados for good

  • @bobby1970
    @bobby19702 жыл бұрын

    I know if I had to be on this or a similar type of small plane, I'd rather the plane be too nose heavy than tail heavy.

  • @jjthomas2297
    @jjthomas22973 жыл бұрын

    A 25 year old Captain backed up by a 27 year old first officer. That alone is a recipe for disaster..

  • @jaimepablomartinezdelgado9426

    @jaimepablomartinezdelgado9426

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think so too. And I don't mean to be disrespectful, but she was such a young female pilot. It doesn't sound too good to me either.

  • @alicemuguet6947

    @alicemuguet6947

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jaimepablomartinezdelgado9426 Young pilot. She was a young pilot.

  • @IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad

    @IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@jaimepablomartinezdelgado9426I mean, she was young

  • @joeyragsdale1998

    @joeyragsdale1998

    5 ай бұрын

    I mean it doesnt mean anything.

  • @American569
    @American569 Жыл бұрын

    10:36 was now: 17'00 700 kg

  • @change_your_oil_regularly4287
    @change_your_oil_regularly42873 жыл бұрын

    WOOHOO!

  • @bisexualsmoothtalker1270
    @bisexualsmoothtalker12703 жыл бұрын

    Yo, I’m so sorry but I keep hearing “bitch craft”😂 Anyway, I just recently found your channel and I love it! These in depth air crash videos are so interesting and I’m learning more and more about airplane along the way!

  • @tinaj7331

    @tinaj7331

    3 жыл бұрын

    You must be Australian 😂

  • @IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad

    @IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad

    9 ай бұрын

    XD same

  • @tetrafy70
    @tetrafy703 жыл бұрын

    Smh if that plane just had better diet and exercise this entire situation could've been avoided

  • @IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad

    @IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad

    9 ай бұрын

    I, for some reason, can't tell if this is sarcasm. But, [rock head]

  • @ellenorbjornsdottir1166
    @ellenorbjornsdottir11663 жыл бұрын

    you & Mini ACI should team up.

  • @AmarFox6
    @AmarFox6 Жыл бұрын

    In Us avr weight for passenger should be doubled :D

  • @BLACKMONGOOSE13
    @BLACKMONGOOSE133 жыл бұрын

    The thumbs down is from the guy on the ground who was injured.

  • @TimAndrews09
    @TimAndrews09 Жыл бұрын

    Was there anything the crew could have possibly done to save the plane, or was the crash inevitable? It looks like the latter to me, but just wanted to ask...

  • @scotthanilton1100

    @scotthanilton1100

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@Mark I don't think they could possibly recover from that. Once it started to flip there was no chance of gaining control and not enough time even if they could, in my opinion

  • @scotthanilton1100

    @scotthanilton1100

    Жыл бұрын

    @Mark I think the angle it went to straight away was too much for them even with full power to get the nose back down so the landing gear wouldn't have changed it and because of there height they couldn't get lift from the plane falling as they were too near the ground, had they been alot higher possibly could have dropped and then eventually brought it back up but like I say too near the ground and making matters worse was the work done on it previously.

  • @jonwenger3584
    @jonwenger35843 жыл бұрын

    Somehow the Beech 99 was skipped over in the history of commuter planes..

  • @umadbra
    @umadbra3 жыл бұрын

    19 passengers...12 Americans...

  • @dianemccormick4646
    @dianemccormick46463 күн бұрын

    Whenever I fly a commuter plane, I look around at the passengers. If all seats are full, I feel dread, especially if there are a lot of men or obese women. And in high altitude airports such as Denver, when they occasionally have to limit the load because of heat and the high elevation, and they say they need to deplane two passengers, I feel so nervous, thinking that if the plane is that close to being overweight, simply by two passengers, I want to stand up and shout, “please take the two fattest passengers”.

  • @whiplash8277
    @whiplash8277 Жыл бұрын

    Love the channel but the funeral music in the background is unsettling imo.

  • @cwilson000
    @cwilson0003 жыл бұрын

    You see...When you pay PUTA wages you get Pura Results...like this one

  • @samsngdevice5103
    @samsngdevice510310 ай бұрын

    Heavier passengers should sit more towards the middle.

  • @jdizzforyou
    @jdizzforyou3 жыл бұрын

    Why don't they just incorporate weight sensing abilities into the loading equipment? Like the terminal gate extending to the plane or stairways. Measure a group at a time and not announce or display it so no feelings get hurt. If it's overweight... Quietly hurt feelings for safety.

  • @whyareyoulikethis2819

    @whyareyoulikethis2819

    3 жыл бұрын

    Honestly who cares about hurt feelings in that situation? I'd rather feel embarrassed by my weight on the scale and get there safely than have my feelings spared and potentially contribute to an accident.

  • @jamiemcintyre1270
    @jamiemcintyre1270 Жыл бұрын

    Rip to anyone who died

  • @abver092
    @abver0923 жыл бұрын

    What software did you use to create the simulation of the incident?

  • @DisasterBreakdown

    @DisasterBreakdown

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hello, my simulator of choice is X-plane. That is what was used to create the simulation in this video.

  • @abver092

    @abver092

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@DisasterBreakdown What version? 9, 10 or 11?

  • @DisasterBreakdown

    @DisasterBreakdown

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@abver092 It's X-plane 11. I keep it updated as much as possible, I believe I am on version 11.51 Now

  • @CrackingCody
    @CrackingCody3 жыл бұрын

    Woot. Wichita. Air capital of the world.

  • @a.johnson2259
    @a.johnson22599 ай бұрын

    Raytheon dropped the ball. Improper maintenance quality control crews. They were totally incapable of performing the required maintenance check correctly.

  • @caracalfloppa4997
    @caracalfloppa49972 жыл бұрын

    The faulty maintenance procedure caused this accident. The plane being overweight seems like more of a side note than anything.

  • @countesscable
    @countesscable2 жыл бұрын

    Love this channel, but really dislike the use of music as a backdrop, it is unnecessary and distracting

  • @dontspikemydrink9382

    @dontspikemydrink9382

    2 жыл бұрын

    it is not. it is calm, soothing music fitting the content of the video

  • @Strange087
    @Strange0872 жыл бұрын

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