I also forgot to mention that, while Cain didn't even believe it was Diablo in Tristram, until it was too late other orders took it seriously, and all three heroes such as The Rogues & the Vizjerei sent heroes to investigate. So, only the last of the Horadrim, the sworn Greater evil hunters, didn't believe in their own orders philosophy, yet everyone else seemed to.

@Guildelin

4 жыл бұрын

Game LORE Dash makes me wonder if they’d retcon that if they thought about it lol

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

@@Guildelin I dunno its a strange piece of lore they injected later too. I mean he could have started not believing, but as soon as he did, arming himself with knowledge & power throughout the series.

@josephjenkinsjr.2507

4 жыл бұрын

Deckard Cain is smart but that doesn't mean that he's isn't an idiot, even smart people do stupid things... the stupid don't own the monopoly on it. I agree that he's shortsighted, but I'll add that he's foolhardy and ignorantly dismissive of the schemes that surround him. Hell, he doesn't even realize that he's being used by Diablo by the time of the events of D3, someone as smart as he is supposed to be should've figured it out by that time... one would think...

@MrGilfred

4 жыл бұрын

IIRC what was said about Cain is that he was apathetic about the horadric text. IIRC he even said so, basically saying if it wasn't for his apathy he would've been strong enough to stop Diablo himself. No different than Leah decades later that had the same apathy as he did. Apathy isn't stupidity or any sign of being dumb. It just means that you don't put that much faith in what you are being told. You are liable to say to the ones telling you about the text you are reading too much into them just like Leah did Cain in D3.

@TheOlvaid

4 жыл бұрын

Adria did not dump leah on Cain. She dumped her on Gillian The Barmaid, Gillian was driven mad by the events of the darkening of tristram, and when leah was roughly 7-8 cain met her by accident, where she confessed she was afraid of leah and asked him to take her. Cain Obliged. He had no way of knowing for sure she (leah) was really adria's and diablo's daughter because gillians mental state had deteriorated to the point where most of the time she wasn't fit to be among other people, she did not have a good grasp of reality. Also, he didn't know leah was to become Diablo's vessel (At the time he started training her he didn't even know for sure Adria was a follower of the demons, he only learned that after years of having been taking care of Leah, plus, Cain knew he was old, and wouldn't live much longer, he needed somebody he could mold into a successor of the horadrim so the world wasn't in danger once he died, and Leah was pretty much all he had access to. Also, Cain did not deliver the secrets of the horadrim to the burning hells through leah, Tal Rasha had been Baal's host for centuries already, and he was not able to keep his mind closed the demon, so all horadrim secrets would have been known to baal long before leah became diablo's vessel. that is assuming that when the great evils take over you they gain all your knowledge and memories, which is never stated as far as i know.

Where I did not like how they killed Cain, I do like the irony that his last act was identifying a weapon.

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

OH MY GOD. All sins absolved.

@DietWarlord

4 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@Mizzle420420

4 жыл бұрын

*making a weapon usable

@JonathanTaylor85

3 жыл бұрын

The D3 devs reason for killing him was kind of dumb though. They were quoted as saying something to the extent of "no one liked decard cain anyway". Which just shows how much they know about Diablo's fanbase, and the game itself.

@makiroll218

2 жыл бұрын

It’s like in books , fans love a character then author be like, “ Oh you guys like that character? Well. Here ya go.” *kills character *

He probably tried to raise Leah in a way that she could be a force against evil instead of an ally. Really, Leah's fall was Tyreal's fault for not taking notice how Adria was treating Leah in a fairly sadistic manner. I mean, Archangel of Justice just stands aside as abuse from a parent goes on just so he can accomplish his own selfish goal of ending the conflict by any means, even at the suffering of a young woman.

@reginaldcampos5762

Жыл бұрын

How unjust

@Sorain1

Жыл бұрын

That's D3's bad writing in a nutshell. Existing characters are totally out of character, new characters are totally misused. There are good ideas there, but none of them are executed well.

I think Cain was never meant to be smarter then any hero or prime evil, he was simply a wise, truthful friend for a hero on a perilous, epic journey. The real idiot is the D3 writers.

@mgktts

3 жыл бұрын

THIS!

@bobloerakker7010

2 жыл бұрын

Boom! Haha truth.

@louisprevost892

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agreed with you. Exemple: In Diablo 3, when we finally have the black soulstones (who have disapear long time ago), we learn the black soulstones absorb the souls of all DEAD Lords of Hell, right?. Ok that explain how Diablo, Mephisto and Baal have been trap into it after we kill each of them AND destroy there personnal soulstones (the Red, Blue and Yellow(because it's would be really stupid from Tyrael just leaving the Baal soulstones behind after destroying the Stones World)). But later in D3, after defeating Belial and Azmodan, we learn and see Leah using a spell for capturing the souls of Belial and Azmodan into the black soulstones. If no one have found the black soulstones until D3, who have used the black soulstones and casting THIS spell for capturing the souls of Diablo, Mephisto and Baal in D2 exactly?

@eliskarozehnalova3351

2 жыл бұрын

@@louisprevost892 I just ignore all the lore after D2 to avoid too much brain damage.

@spieleschmiedewulfrath2017

2 жыл бұрын

@@louisprevost892 Exactly. In Diablo 3 the enemies like AzmoDUMB want to be intelligent and threathening, but end up revealing their foolishness. In the "Black soulstone sequence" he even reveals his plans to leah. Why would any intelligent enemy do that? exactly. There is much more to say, Cain in general is a great character, he just got ruined by bad writing in D3...

Not to mention the fact that he keeps losing bags with his journals ALL OVER Sanctuary >.

@arnelcapistrano2408

4 жыл бұрын

old men may be forgetful. in diablo 4, you can pickup cain's old, used, rare loincloth. ;)

@manuela8690

4 жыл бұрын

@@arnelcapistrano2408 oh noo, ewww... and rare, too...

@DisconnectHack

3 жыл бұрын

@@arnelcapistrano2408 how do you identify them? xD

@muffZor89

3 жыл бұрын

@@DisconnectHack *proceeds to take a long whiff* Ah, i know who this belongs to!

@hadesobsidian5231

2 жыл бұрын

@@arnelcapistrano2408 D:

Cain wasnt a mage of the horadrim like tal rasha was though. He was a scribe. It wasnt for him to act in diablo.

@truthseeker6532

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@GhalanSmokeScale

Жыл бұрын

A scribe with all the knowledge and secrets of the Horadrim at his disposal. If he really wanted to, if he wasn't so ignorant to things going on around him, he could've easily learned several potent spells in his younger years, could've studied techniques used by the Horadrim and at least pass them on to someone else by the time of Diablo 1. We see him as an old man from the start. What has he been doing his whole life?

He is not an idiot. 2012 ruined him. Edit: He had no way in knowing Diablo could take over peoples mind and that the people he helped were weak willed in Tristrim. He had no way in knowing Izual manipulated the Horadrium. A scholar can't always see what is in front of him, he admits that in Diablo 2 and helps destroying the Soul Stones. That should've been where his story ends and should never had appeared in D3. Edit 2: Diablo 3 was a poo-stain on the series stories and crushed intelligent and well-written characters into versions of themselves that are completely different and fast tracked a story that should've been slower

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

I do cover that at the end, he didnt learn from anything by Diablo 3

@uzunaruMelonness

4 жыл бұрын

I felt sorry for Deckard Cain, the people of the Pandemonium Fortress: Jamella and Halbu, and Warriv... may all these characters rest in piece.

@EpigTheEpicPig

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, there's a Diablo 3? :o

@Mizzle420420

4 жыл бұрын

In my mind diablo 3 never existed and its a better world without it. If i want to play something like a newer version of diablo 2 i play Path of Exile (avoiding the micro transactions at all cost), in all reality PoE is a much better successor to diablo 2, and has a totally unique story that doesn't shit on d2 so works for me.

@Riftfacter

3 жыл бұрын

If your sequels story requires all of the previously beloved characters to be idiots in order to make sense, then your a bad writer. This is why I am done with Blizzard.

Sadly the story of Cain’s life is basically... *Spidey-senses tingling* Cain: “Nah...it will be fine...still...better start writing down my instant regret now...”

You think it a coincidence he always manages to be in the middle of the conflict, sometimes even "captured", yet somehow manage to stay alive despite being seemingly helpless? You think it foolishness that his strategies seem to somehow be either, at best, completely pointless or, worse, even end up perpetuating the war or strengthening the forces of hell? How convenient, isn't it, that he just so happens to be "The Last Horadrim", and there's no one who can go against his scholarly "advice"? Convenient that he just so happens to be in charge of Diablo's spawn and that she eventually finds the soulstone? And he has you thinking he's an idiot? Cain laughs. The Lord of Deceit has hoodwinked you all.

@avatar1867

3 жыл бұрын

Best comment.

@Heretus

3 жыл бұрын

If only blizzard writers could be as smart and not turning complicated , interested characters like adria , kael thas, etc to simplistic evil caricatures that just out of nowhere went corrupted , crazy , power hungry cause reasons

@Steph1

2 жыл бұрын

Well deducted Norb. Great summary

@Edbrad

2 жыл бұрын

Oh god he’s just like Jar Jar 😈 🙊

@Norbingel

2 жыл бұрын

@@Edbrad You mean High Sith Lord Dar Jar Jar, of course...

"the legacy of Cain" I see what you did there.

Well i think Cain was just happy that he got, with leah, someone to pass on his knowlege. Remember Guys he was an old lonely man without a family and someone to pass on his legacy, the legacy of the hoadrim. Every man in his position would have thrown away all caution and accepted that child to teach and as some kind of family. Its just sad how everything ended and that we didnt got a second dlc in which we rescued Leah from Hell.

@robbyolinski1450

4 жыл бұрын

I felt bad for Leah when she died for daddy, they really should of tried to bring her back

@OnlyDeathIsEternal

4 жыл бұрын

Is it confirmed anywhere what the second dlc was planned to be?

@keithconrad9033

4 жыл бұрын

@@OnlyDeathIsEternal diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Diablo_III:_The_King_in_the_North

@vodkavecz

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder why he didn't pass on his knowledge to Drognan. He'd be an obvious choice imo.

@Ladywizard

2 жыл бұрын

Also we never got the companions' stories finale

Most of the things he is a fool for are things that would have required knowledge that only the player was privy to, or, are simply things that need him to be a lot more calculating and less caring, as he stubbornly believes his friend to simply be depressed while whoops he was actually possessed by Diablo, and the girl, well, he constantly attempts to get her to control herself, he’s sadly too much of an optimist.

Cain: "i do not understand why the arch bishop turned into darkness. " Me: "have you seen lazarus lair? Those place is filled by ton of succubus. I guess we can draw the conclusion here lol"

@rockk9753

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@reginaldcampos5762

Жыл бұрын

That's to be expected of priests

Cain is the main bad guy. when you final meet him in the Boss room he will say "you should had stay awhlie and listen!"

I know this video is super old, but honestly, I think you're being a bit hard on Cain. To start with, although he identifies himself as the last member of the Horadric Order, he is, in fact, simply a scholar with a fascination surrounding the old stories of the Horadrim. Stories of his ancestor enthralled him as a child, and he dedicated his life to learning as much about them as he could, while not actively believing in the stories themselves. So, when things went bonkers in Tristram, even though his spider senses were tingling, he ignored them, specifically because he did not actually believe that Hell and the Evils existed. As events in Diablo 1 progressed, Cain worked very closely with the three heroes, and over time, began to see them as his close friends (even though he charged them to identify stuff). When they returned, he, along with everybody in Tristram, was incredibly relieved, believing that Diablo and his machinations had been stopped. When Adrian started to show signs of corruption, this old man, who had only recently learned that the Evils actually even existed, believed that the prince was simply depressed, disturbed deeply and traumatized by his encounters with violent death and literal demons in literal Hell. Including the literal lord of terror itself. He was still naive to the true corruption and ingenuity of the Greater Evils, and was compassionate to his ailing friend. Yes, Dekard Cain did suspect that Leah was the progeny of Diablo through his possession of Adrian, while also suspecting that Adria (wonder if their names being almost the same was intentional) was pretty suspicious. However, he also sensed that Leah's soul, despite her parentage, was innocent. Sure, he could have murdered a baby - that would have prevented a lot of catastrophe later on. But this isn't Warhammer 40k or Song of Ice and Fire - Diablo is a story of Good verses Evil, and Cain was on the side of Good. He hoped instead to foster Leah to the side of good, raising her as a Horadrim in the hopes that, with her inherited power and her pure soul, she would be a force of good against the forces of Evil - and she *was,* even if she ultimately failed. Admittedly, it was foolish of him, in his final moments, not to reveal Leah's or Adria's true natures to the characters. Perhaps he was worried that, if they knew the truth, they would Destroy Leah? Although more likely, they simply would not have trusted Adria, and her plans would have been foiled. Cain didn't die from restoring Tyrial's sword - he was dying anyway, and wanted to make sure that the former Archangel recovered not only his angelic weapon, but his memories as well. Yes, it's true, Tyrial was absolutely useless all throughout Diablo 3, but that wasn't any fault of Cain's. What Cain Did do: Provided invaluable knowledge to Adrian and the other heroes in Tristram. Had he not done so, the town would have surely fallen much sooner, and Diablo would have walked the earth. This happened anyway, but Cain did everything in his power to stop it. In Diablo 2, his services were invaluable, guiding the seven heroes to ancient artifacts, instructing them on their uses, providing essential lore so that they might confront the forces of hell. Not only was his guidance essential in defeating 5 of the 7 Evils, is also helped them save 4 different settlements from absolute destruction, and he even fallowed them into Hell itself. Luckily, for whatever reason, the hell portal took him and the party to Pandemonium Fortress instead of straight to Diablo himself, but he couldn't have known that would be the case. After Baal was defeated and Areat destroyed, he gave Leah, an innocent, a rich and fulfilling life, despite strongly suspecting her less then savory heritage. At the same time, he diligently studied ruins, texts and artifacts all over Sanctuary in the hopes of preventing what he believed was the coming of the end of days - but he was only one man, last scholar of a dead order, and he was too late. That said, despite his experiences and all he'd done for Sanctuary in the past, no one was willing to believe his stories, or that Evil could return. Again, this was a failing of others, more then a failing of his own, as had his words been taken seriously, Sanctuary may have been ready to face Belial and Azmodan, and the resurrection of Diablo might have been avoided.

El'druin cannot harm any being with righteous intent, and Malthael's actions although ethically dubious could be justified. He might have been driven mad trying to understand life and death, he might've became the aspect of Death, but he was still the Archangel of Wisdom. After the defeat and imprisonment of the Prime Evil within the Black Soulstone, the only source of demonic corruption was on Sanctuary itself. The only threat to order and to the Heavens would be the return of the Nephalem, which the Diablo 3 protagonist also proved were getting far more powerful (likely the Diablo 3 protagonist was one of the Nephalem whose powers were activated by Lilith before she was banished a second time by Inarius). Rathma and Zoltun Kulle also proved that the Nephalem could easily be swayed towards evil, and couldn't be relied on. If Malthael was successful in using the Black Soulstone to capture all demonic essence on Sanctuary, he would've ended any threat posed by the Nephalem and ensured that the High Heavens won the Eternal Conflict. His only problem was that the Soulstone would not differentiate between Nephalem and humanity that descended from Inarius and Lilith, though he viewed eradicating humanity as a negligible side effect and justified given that humanity tends to gravitate more towards their demonic nature anyway. That is why Tyrael couldn't harm Malthael, and Tyrael's angelic soul is why Malthael didn't kill him. After Malthael's attack on the Pandominum Gate in the High Heavens however, El'druin would be able to strike him IF it was able to harm Malthael within Pandemonium (and within his 'between life and death' state). Certainly after he absorbed Diablo's soul. There, Malthael wasn't acting with righteous intent and was acting out of desperation to slow the Nephalem down.

@TheBamaChad-W4CHD

Жыл бұрын

Kinda my line of thinking. I figured that a sword may not be able to tell if someone is batshit insane. In Malthaels mind he was totally doing the correct and righteous. So his intentions were absolutely pure and righteous....in his own mind.

My boy Deckard Caine dropped the ball when it mattered more times than Dez Bryant

He is the Diablo series' version of a weeb.

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

ha!

but its Cain, he's old.. Give him a break :D

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

There's love peppered throughout!

@416wc

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarkLOREDash Bruh

@BasedTitanG

3 жыл бұрын

The good ole old and senile card

@shelldie8523

2 жыл бұрын

And that's how Caine broke his hip

@gretasstolendreams2154

2 жыл бұрын

For real Boomard Cain didn’t get his nap that day cant blame him

Nice snipet from Diablo 2: "I thank you for the rescue!"

Last I checked, Cain wasn't present when the Horadrim imprisoned the Prime Evils. He was a fool for not taking his teaching (that was past down from generation to generation) seriously. I wasn't a fan of Cain because he used to charge me money and, later decided to take partial credit of work that I've done to kill Baal.

I thought the Leah story was a cool concept with a suitably dark and horrifying conclusion, but the way some of it was written in the game didnt quite meet its potential. Ironically Leah would have had a claim on the vacant throne of Khonduras, which could have been an interesting angle. It's always bothered me that her dormant uncontrollable power along with the totally insane things that happen around her & Cain (demonic cults, spirits, an invasion of the undead) make all of her talk of "uncle's crazy stories" seem somewhat absurd and out of place. It's also pretty strange that Leah was the progeny of a witch & a man possessed by an immensely powerful demon lord and had innate magical abilities beyond her comprehension but was completely well-adjusted, kind, caring and friendly. You'd think a young woman conceived by the Dark Wanderer as a vessel for the Lord of Terror would be troubled, distant, perhaps haunted by fears, nightmares, or disturbing premonitions. Which leads to another issue: if Cain the Horadric scholar "always suspected" that Leah was in fact the daughter of Diablo, wouldn't he have thought to put some safeguards in place to prevent her from being possessed or turned towards evil! He raised her like a daughter but left her possible demonic heritage completely to chance, despite his advanced age meaning he wouldn't be around forever. The writing in D3 was good in concept but there were many holes in the execution. Much like the aesthetic change to cartoon fantasy, it was also written like a cartoon, or a superhero comic book/movie, with grand ideas and a lot of references to the lore, but full of lazy cliches and plot holes that are glossed over.

@rockk9753

2 жыл бұрын

Its a good story but it was kind of predictable

@Sorain1

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. D3's writing is a solid example of 'good at the outline stage, horrible in execution' because of those reasons.

"It's okay to kill a child" -Dark LORE Dash, 2020 Cain taking Lea in was not an idiot move. Could she become a threat, yes, could she of been a force for good, yes. Don't forget Lea never chose to become a monster. Her mother forced her to become one. Deckard saw a child who could be guided to the light and he had done so, making her a powerful force of good and someone who could follow in his footsteps... That was not an idiotic move, especially since he thought Adria was dead.

He had more spell scrolls in the novel. Funny enough he uses an electric spell scroll to catch fish while traveling with a young Leah.

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

Nice catch!

@Mizzle420420

4 жыл бұрын

What a sportsman, like throwing bombs in the water 😂 should be illegal

"Which brings us to the legacy of Cain." I see what you did there. I'm a Legacy of Kain fan, too.

Maybe, that is why the demons left him alive when they decided to destroy Tristram...

@SaltyFarzi

3 жыл бұрын

I hear that.

Love Cain 🙏🇨🇦 a friendly voice that calms the soul after slaying Demons.

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

He is boss

CAIN was more interested on charging 100 per item xD

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

Dont leave him hanging in Tristram

@hansorsic7387

3 жыл бұрын

Save him from tristram you lazy ass

@sebasteanjanzen1210

2 жыл бұрын

Actually never realized Cain charged for identifying items until I saw it on a KZread video. Just always followed the quests... lol

@GamingWITHsKeLeToR

2 жыл бұрын

@@sebasteanjanzen1210 he doesn't unless you dont save him in tristram. if you skip that quest he charges you. his reward for helping him is identifying items at no charge.

Well, It is hard to get one up on the forces of evil speacially when the guy you are fighting is the title of the game..Lets be frank,Diablo wins via asspull a lot..Would not be shocked if somehow the Nemp getting power was somehow his master plot in 4

I always felt Deckard didn't want to believe that those great evils had returned as it would have meant that the ancient Horadrim had failed

Great video Dash! I cannot argue any specific points you make here. This all serves to further prove the old adage, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." Adventure on my friend!

Cain deserved better than what he got in D3.

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

Agree

@Mizzle420420

4 жыл бұрын

The entire Diablo series deserved better than what it got with D3

@Mizzle420420

4 жыл бұрын

I played the first two games and read all the books for years and then D3 came around and made me loose all hope for the future of diablo

@Heretus

3 жыл бұрын

We all deserved better than D3 but writing was atrocious everything was a mess , characters become so simplistic and one dimensional , way too predictable , boring , blunt and moronic

@mgktts

3 жыл бұрын

@@Heretus It had some good moments but yeah over all the writing was terrible. I hated the Abd al-Hazir guy so frigging arrogant.

LMAO the cain's rap at the end XD. Nice!

Cain was old and freil....he was a scholar not a warrior mage, I think this was made very clear. He sensed that something was wrong with Aiden after he defeated diablo, but he thought it was due to the stresses hero had undergone to physically defeat Diablo and his minions. Aiden never told Cain what he had done with the soulstone he took from Diablo, he never told Cain he imbued himself with the soulstone....as far as Cain was concerned the stone and diablo were dostroyed and banished from mortal realm. So you can't really blame Cain for inaction, he was not a warrior mage, he was an old, frail Horodrim scholar...keeper of knowledge not a fighter. But you can also blame Blizzard's lazy writing and continuation issues with the story too....

@calebwessels3805

2 жыл бұрын

(Sees soul stone in the forehead of Aiden) Cain: Thought he was just Sad because of PTSD

I've wondered, since Cain like you said, made so many mistakes leading to the events of D3, perhaps he set them in motion on purpose. Both Farnham and Adria gossip about Cain saying he knows more than he says and knows he knows himself. Maybe he comes back as a primary antagonist?

It is possibly to be both a genius and an idiot at the same time. Highly intelligent people may overlook simple solutions to problems and constantly fail to see that what is obvius to them isn't for common people. Yes I am above avarage intelligence and have personal experience of these pitfalls. My "common knowledge" may be very special trivia for others. Be careful.

@Holland1994D

2 жыл бұрын

Great for you that you have an IQ of 101

@michaelpettersson4919

2 жыл бұрын

@@Holland1994D The military told me that I was "above avarage" but didn't specify by how much.

great vid as always dash. you know what they say, the road to hell is paved with good intent. keep it up man loving these analyses.

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

Damn, I wish I added that and thank you!

his name is "Deckard Cain the Elder", not "Deckard Cain the Wise"

I'm surprise the Prime Evils didn't even bother to kill Cain from the beginning. Otherwise, these adventures wouldn't know the ways to beat demons/diablo 😂

How you do this must take HUGE amount of time! I truly love your videos! Poor Deckard Cain, we all loved him, yet you are right.

I always thought this especially since his ancestors would fight prime evils for breakfast

Still, he deserved better than to be killed by a butterfly.

The song which is end of the video is as funny as Cain foolishnesses 😆😆

You got yourself a new sub. Dope channel

Allright stop, stay a while and listen, Deckard Cain is back with a brand new mission, Something grabs a hold of him tightly Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly "Will it ever stop?" Yo, he don't know Turn off the lights, huh, and he'll glow To the extreme, he rocks a mic like a vandal Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle Dance, rush the speaker that booms He's killing your brain like a poisonous mushroom Deadly when he plays a dope melody Anything less than the best is a felony Love it or leave it, you better gangway You better hit the bullseye, the old man don't play And if there was a problem, yo, he'll solve it Check out the hook while Deckard Cain revolves it

He's like Wesley from the Buffy verse... if Wesley just got old.

Cain is the guy who pretends he knew, but didn't

Hello my friend! Stay awhile and listen

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

So many good memories.

good guys=idiots. bad guys=Dash goes full fangirl. Got it.

taking a swing at Tyrael's shitty sword and the fact that he can't seem to hold on to it for more than 5 minutes.

With Justice gone and Wisdom dead, Valor becomes Malice and the angelic host turns it's back on humanity. These are dark days indeed, brother, but Mother Lilith will bring back Sanctuary.

Oh God this is gonna be one of those videos

The other members of the Brotherhood might have been more proactive and took the fight to Evil, but they're also all dead, while Cain lived to try and guide Heroes for decades to come.

A very lonely old man who studies and records anything Diablo/Demon related, seen unspeakable horrors and many deaths of those around him also while not getting close to anyone due to inevitable death, and always being asked for help from the player? I'd also adopt Leah just for someone to talk to and finally able to have a connection with someone.

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta drown her tho

@asneakylawngnome5792

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarkLOREDash True. I also like Leah as a character as well so I comment is a little biased. Only good thing to come out of Diablo 3 imo

In defense of him raising Leah, I don't think she was actually evil(despite being Diablo's daughter). It wasn't until she was forcibly possessed by Diablo and the black soulstone, and I would say at that point she was dead.

@Sorain1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, when we take the story as written, it's absolutely clear Leah dies (what else would you call a soul being destroyed?) at that point.

So the mysterious grave could be Deckard Cain's? Wouldn't it be funny if the person talking at the grave is Farnham the drunk from the original Diablo? It could explain why he is holding a drink and how he knows Cain.

@shinon748

4 жыл бұрын

He would need to look older though. Theres 10 years gap between the first two games and diablo 3 and then another few decades between diablo 3 and diablo 4.

@richardsmall2855

3 жыл бұрын

@@shinon748 Diablo 2 takes place 6 months after Diablo Diablo Immortal takes place 10 years after Diablo 2 Diablo 3 takes place 10 years after Diablo Immortal Diablo 4 takes place 10 years after Diablo 3 Farnham would be 30 and 1/2 years older than he was in Diablo

Sometimes The Horadrim Have Limits

That rap is so so so sick! 🤣🤣🤣

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

I enjoy it

Watching this after the mind-blowingly awesome Devolver Direct 2020 and everytime I hear "the future" I automatically start thinking about "The future's future" and the "The future's future's future".

I've always thought that the reason why Tyrael's sword can't damaga Malthael because he surrounded himself with death and can only be damaged by a person who done the same,or something like that was in a quest.

Maybe if he told Leah the truth and show he still loved her then perhaps they could've worked together to find a solution to stop Diablo and Leah's mom once and for all... But then we wouldn't have a story.

A little bit unfair, and I would definitely not agree with you. There are a couple of things I want to correct you on: first, you also said this in your video on Adria that Leah was left in Deckard Cain’s care by the witch. That is not true, Adria left Leah in Gillian’s care. Deckard Cain did not meet Leah until she was 8 and didn’t become her guardian until Gillian tried to kill the both of them by burning down her own house. Second, Cain never viewed the Horadric tales as true until King Leoric went mad, before that point, the Horadric tales were just stories. At that time, the Horadrim were nonexistent and it wasn’t until Cain met Adria and they began sharing their knowledge with each other that he began to consider himself a Horadrim. Lastly, and this isn’t a correction, but just a point I would like to make. Cain, is as you say he is, a scholar. At no point in any dialogue in the games or in other sources published about the Diablo universe are we told that he has any combat skills, or even magic skills for that matter. His is simply an advisory role, he isn’t the hero. He is more like a Merlin type character to a King Arthur.

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the p points! My main contention is that he didn't try to contain Leah as he always suspected her true heritage & after being captured should have devoted some energy itself protection

@Kerfufflefuf

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarkLOREDash True, however it could be said that Deckard was trying to make up for past mistakes; not only with his own son, Jered, but also with Prince Aidan as Cain was his mentor as a boy and Cain saw him like a son. Additionally, Cain knew that despite Leah's heritage, she had the ability to choose due to her human half, and brought her up to be a selfless person. It is also worth noting that Leah did become exactly what Deckard Cain hoped she would, a noble soul. This is commented on both by the Nephalem, who says that Leah only became the Prime Evil because they all put their trust in the wrong person, and that her fate was Adria's doing, not her won. Tyrael also writes about this in the preface of the Book of Tyrael, saying that he hopes that Leah will be remembered for who she was, not what she was turned into. I suppose the best comparison I can draw this to is the show Dexter. Despite the fact that Dexter showed that he had sociopathic tendencies, his foster father trained him to use his inclinations to become a vigilante. Which he did, hunting down vicious criminals instead of preying on innocent people.

Deckard Cain really has an amazing voice, but he always struck me as a "I love science"-type of person rather than a scientist. I.e. he is content to marvel at what other people achieve and do, and admire it at a distance, but lack the talents and fortitude to do things himself.

@shadenox8164

2 жыл бұрын

I mean yeah, his job is to remember and share the information and occasionally record it.

Anyone hope to see Leah in Diablo 4 or get some hints of her fate?

Maybe the fault rests with the Horadrim itself? Clearly standards in fighting ability and critical thought slipped long before Cain came into his role.

Geezus - I had no idea the trailers for D4 were out 3 years ago. Cain shouldn't come back, but I'm sure when the writers run out of ideas they'll plug him in to an expansion pack to lure customers in with nostalgia.

This shows excactly why Knowledge alone dont make you beeing smart.

oh saucy title. I like. And yes, i do agree with that.

Cain is also an old man, those horadrim you compare him against were all in their prime when they did their great deeds.

I am definitely inclined to agree with you on this one. He's just way too passive - he could have even had better apprentices before Leah!

How exactly did the Horadrim dwindle to a last member? These mere mortals actively fought and defeated (temporarily at least) the Greater Evils. The were also well aware these victories were temporary. And they STILL let membership dwindle to next to nothing. Did they think the Lesser and Greater Evils would just forget about Sanctuary? That the Evils would just go back to the pointless stalemate that existed before Sanctuary?

A good video topic: Why didn't Deckard Cain get a proper Cinematic ending, when he deserved it so well, instead he got an ingame cutscene by a stupid witch. Another good topic: Why a demonic pupeteer as a class would be interesting, combining Necromancer and Witch Doctor into one. Another topic: Wolcen: Lords of Mayhem.

Heresy! Ima send the Moon clan to gut you for disrespecting their grandpa in such a way!

i think the old guy is lorath nahr because in d3 he is quite close to tyrael

Wonder if Blizzard will pull a Medivh on him...

still hoping that deckard cain comes back as the arch-angel of wisdom, I would stay for an eternity and listen if it did happen.

@Steph1

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps watch this 19 minutes again as it explains there was literally no wisdom to be found in deckard’s brain

he could also be the next aspect of wisdom, if tyreal is doomed to die.

Perhaps cain is diablo this hole time hiding in plan site Would be kool

Cain = Scribe = Not much. Helper = Yes Cain = Support = As a scribe = That is all. Not meant to be the hands to alter outcomes.

Ngl, the "you think me mad old freind" line is getting really tiresome

Gerard Butler at Cain's grave?

I don't understand how Tyrael rips of his wings, gets ejected by heaven itself. Just to come back as a Mortal to stay with them again as the Human of Wisdom? I'm confused maybe I missed something but this shit is too wild

@va003612

3 жыл бұрын

Fair point. I believe that lore-wise, Diabloverse ends up being very strange. They started out with Biblical concepts of angels n demons, heaven n hell etc, but eventually you can walk into hell located near downtown Walmart, or going upstairs to hang out with your angelic brothers. These places are no longer realms, and the creatures no longer spiritual. Demons n angels would just respawn after being killed anyway making you wonder what’s the point.

Imagine If you will a skyrim style diablo 4 with the same challenge of diablo 2 and same characters. That is my dream.

The fact that all the heros of D1 get fucked over and most of the heros of D2 get fucked over it makes sense that the heros of D3 get fucked over too. But let's be real, Cain should be untouchable considering all he's witnessed and survived. After all he's the narrator and chronicler.

when your WIS is 20 but your INT is 2

Deckard is more like the scientist from the show Fringe.

It wasn't as much Cain who was an idiot, as it was a problem with Diablo III's writing. That game, especially the retcons to Diablo I, was utterly stupid.

Kinda harsh. At 127 you see 1 hero turned and the second hero walks away. You know that the 3 primes are obsessed with Sanctuary. You have the opportunity to raise a powerful witch, youre going to take it lol especially if you waited to long once before. Maybe he thought Leah could beat Diablo instead of join him

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

I get it, I just dont think, after the Dark Wanderer, you could take that risk without failsafes

@roymcdre9180

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarkLOREDash I dont understand what youre saying? Cain was being old AF in town when Aiden socketed his face lol The journal entry you had says as much. What was he suppose to do at that point, fist fight the guy who just killed diablo??

@DarkLOREDash

4 жыл бұрын

@@roymcdre9180 he had 2 more games to lvl up. Adria did so by magnitudes. Also socketed his face is the best description ever

AT 2:00 you said it yourself: Decard Cain is not and idiot as idiot is one without intelligence, he is a fool as fool is one without wisdom.

Being flawed makes him human!

Holy $HIT BIG DADDY KAIN REFERENCE

How dare you talk bad about our beloved old man XD

Tyreal is basically a corrupt State's Attorney trying to get convictions... 🤣

The horadric MAN.

I think cain is just an old man who has read to many damn things and gets a bit confused

Ah... so Cain was a backbencher then.

I have to remind everyone that before D1 demons had stop appear for at least thousands of years, even Deckard still remember and told everyone about the lore is because he honor his mother in this way, not because he really belive in it so its not fair to blame him to not take it seriously in D1

While i dont disagree i must add 1 point: Deckard did not believe in the horadric stories until Diablo escaped Tristram. And i think its hard to blame him for not taking action cause that point of view was pretty based. Like imagine you are brought up being told that your ancestors banished demons and the like. By that point ppl had forgotten about the prime evils. He was teached in the horadric ways so once he realized that everything was true he had the knowledge at the ready but he basically just understood what was up when Aiden and his crew showed up in Tristram.

Never did like Cain. Tried to leave him in that fkn cage in Tristam many times 🙄

The Legacy of Cain