The way John looks at the camera at 1:43 killed me

@trappedintimesurroundedbye5477

4 жыл бұрын

hilarious

@thewanderingartists

4 жыл бұрын

Meme material lol

@frogg4711

4 жыл бұрын

They kinda cute together tho O_O

@nickjensen4385

4 жыл бұрын

i nearly lost all of my coffee on my new monitor xD

@jaymzx2587

4 жыл бұрын

That Audi guy is fuckin hilarious 😆

"When you inviting me down for a playdate and sleep over " and then the Zoom on John's face LOL made me laugh so hard.

@blakegriffin1330

4 жыл бұрын

I laughed so hard at this too. Sleep overs and all night gaming session was it when I was younger. Good times

@John-X

4 жыл бұрын

grown ass men having pLaYdAtEs & sLeEpOvErS

@RichardLarge88

4 жыл бұрын

Came here to comment the same. Sat here laughing my ass off trying not to wake up my wife. DF sometimes has moments like that and they just get you because they're just so unexpected. John is a funny guy (and/or whoever actually edited the video, which I guess may have also been John) Also +1 for memories of sleepovers and all night gaming sessions when I was a kid.

@LoKSET

4 жыл бұрын

The look said: "That was between us, you were not supposed to talk about it".

@pferreira1983

3 жыл бұрын

Speaking of visiting colleagues any news yet from Fonzie about Paprium?

1:41 John's expression: "Don't tell them that, dude!!"

@Willie6785

4 жыл бұрын

sleepovers are the best

@TheSliderW

4 жыл бұрын

Haha, That was cute. We just had one, mostly unplanned, this week-end with a couple of friends but we spent our time between arcade emulation and co-op games on steam. I think next time i'll take out the old stuff and see what would be nice for a 4 person experience. I'm mostly thinking about Dreamcast, GC and maybe PS2/Xbox if I find any good 4 player games.

I remember my old friend from the 90's we used to play Doom with link cable for hours. He brought his 13 inch CRT TV from his home and it was ridiculous to setup. We ended up placing the TV on top of our school textbooks so that we had even viewing angle. My room used to get so hot we needed two fans to cool inside my room. The gaming back then used to be about gaming in purest form. It's kinda hard to explain to anyone that wasn't alive for it. The game used to be fun to play. Most had an awesome intro cutscene to hype us at the beginning, it was mandatory to not skip them because we loved it. The games were presented in a different way. Good old times!

@thefisherman0074

4 жыл бұрын

You mean like GoW or RDR2? Games are still fun to play without complicated set ups and wires everywhere.

@REDSIX

4 жыл бұрын

@@thefisherman0074 you don't get it man

@andrecampbell08

4 жыл бұрын

I remember those days lol I love it I use to play command and conquer red alert retaliation on PS1 and it was a pain to find that damn link cable in 2004 and that game was still full price (49.99) at that time as well and yes I was still playing hardcore in 2004 I love that system

@REDSIX

4 жыл бұрын

So what people don't understand is how new and rare these experiences were. The concept of 3d gaming was very new and exciting. There were a handful of rudimentary 3d games on the SNES and Genesis. Once the ps1 and Saturn hit, it was a revolution. It was a sign of a change, of a new era. It was a defining era in gaming. Sure the PC crowd had 3d games prior but this was the first time 3d was the target for the masses. The gulf between affordability for console and PC was bigger back then. Also online play was nearly non existent. Having to find friends, before cellphones and web groups, with the same hardware and software was challenging if you wanted to play a link cable game. Next one of you would have to have either and extra tv or a portable one. The odds were not with you but if you did make the connection it was magical. It was glorious. Best day of your life.

@rdablock

4 жыл бұрын

talk about rose-tinted glasses

Was expecting OSSC comparisons, got Audi to nonchalantly make John uncomfortable 10/10 would sleepover again.

@123obeds

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, an OSSC comparison would be really useful.

@TwinFamiProductionsOLD

4 жыл бұрын

I’m waiting on that too

@nyastclair8174

3 жыл бұрын

I use an OSSC and a Packapunch SCART cable for my PS1. It looks beautiful enough for me. Having a GSCARTSW and an OSSC for your old consoles with quality SCART cables is more than good enough. I even have my Atari Jaguar looking amazing through SCART.

Beavis and Butthead dubbed in Japanese? Sugoi!

@KillahMate

4 жыл бұрын

Heh heh, '69', heh heh

@GreatHealer.

4 жыл бұрын

I wish someone could convert the PS1 version to English.

@EvtheNev

4 жыл бұрын

NANI?!!

I just wish that Sony would bring out a system that plays all of its previous console games.

@waspywasp451

4 жыл бұрын

They will never do that. Not only will it cost a lot of money, but not a lot of people still have PS1 or PS2 games. It wouldn't make sense to release a system for, what is, a minority. It's way more convenient and profitable to just release some games on the PSN every now and then

@StayFractalesque

4 жыл бұрын

surprised they don't do that and sell it for 1200 bucks or something, just call it, "the PlayStation"

@Datcyd3

4 жыл бұрын

PS5!!!!!!

@viet0ne

4 жыл бұрын

Sony did with the launch PS3, played just about every PS1 and PS2 game. That's when they learned there wasn't a large enough market of users who cared to spend extra to have that ability.

@tommoex

4 жыл бұрын

They tried with the ps3, I even had one but not many survived and it didn't go well at all. And I think because of that they won't attempt it again.

I'm barely 2 minutes in and it's easy to tell you guys had a lot of fun with this video. I had to echo the sentiment, well done guys haha! The hardware itself looks really impressive, my jaw dropped at the Street Fighter footage.

John’s face at 1:43 is PRICELESS 💀💀💀

@PJ-sv4iw

4 жыл бұрын

he getting that man on man ACTION. I LOVE IT.

@XgamerdaveX

4 жыл бұрын

To get the full affect 1:40

@XgamerdaveX

4 жыл бұрын

P J I’m pretty sure John is straight? Didn’t he have kids?

@PJ-sv4iw

4 жыл бұрын

@@XgamerdaveX Having kids doesn't automatically make you straight. Could have been a confusing period for the lad!

@themightyant.

4 жыл бұрын

XgamerdaveX yes, he’s just aware and onboard with the ongoing meme.

1:40 "When you invited me over for a play date and a sleepover" *surprised pikachu face*

@MartinChir

4 жыл бұрын

Came for this, nice zoom in John, subtle and necessary

1:43 John: "Shocked"

@XgamerdaveX

4 жыл бұрын

For full affect 1:40

@jimjon2855

4 жыл бұрын

yeah what was that lmao

Dongle is still the best word ever.

@FutureNaught

4 жыл бұрын

lol It sounds like a dirty word.

@zenodio3D

4 жыл бұрын

aFuturnaught I feel a strange tickling sensation in my dongle.. You're right!

@WH250398

4 жыл бұрын

Excuse me. What about "Shrek"

@DEVILTAZ35

4 жыл бұрын

I suppose if they called it a weener it wouldn't seem quite right :)

@Jacobstoddy

4 жыл бұрын

Moist

Audi's overall improvement is trully a sight to see, that's what you get when you tag along the man, the myth, the legend, Mr.Linneman. Great work guys!!!

I adore hearing you talk about the PS1. Its got such history and a massive and varied library, and the technical abilties pushed by the devs throughout its lifespan just never cease to amaze.

@DEVILTAZ35

4 жыл бұрын

I have a PS1 in the drawer with GT2 and Tony Hawks and Metal Gear Solid. Tony Hawks is still playable i guess. It's cool seeing what digital foundry come up with though all the same even if i would never really bother with this console anymore. I just keep it because it might be worth money one day.

Always looking forward to DF John, you’re turning me into a lite retro enthusiast! Thanks for the effort.

Your friend looks like the guy that sold weed behind Blockbuster every Friday

@bunkiebunk

4 жыл бұрын

Loool he also looks like the pizza guy from the tenacious D movie

@TKMRacer28

4 жыл бұрын

He looks a bit like Dreamcastguy

@nalong55

4 жыл бұрын

he looks like he never comes outside of his house or near a gym

14:00 Yup biggest improvement is sound. Even with youtube compression it sounds amazing

Awww, hello you two c’:!!! Hope your play date & sleepover was fun.

The best comparison would have been with a PSTV running Adrenaline and Sharpscale plugin with HDMI output as the PSTV runs PS1 games via hardware, not emulation as it has the PSP CPU inside it which natively runs PS1 CPU code. MLIG also did a video on the PSTV with sharpscale.

@zombiekilldemon

4 жыл бұрын

I wanna know if the PSDigital is better than that or not

@zombiekilldemon

4 жыл бұрын

I think MLIG should do a side by side between PSDigital and PSTV with Sharpscale.

@redsnake9

4 жыл бұрын

Why don't people just use a ps3?

@franciscobutte

4 жыл бұрын

With Sharpscale your also have the advantage of PSP games.

@Tetsuito

4 жыл бұрын

@@redsnake9 adds lag and blurriness. But I use the PS3 with an LCD because I don't care that much.

Reminder that there's a tool that let's you patch dithering out of any given PS1 iso. If you're using burned discs or one of the ODE options, this is a great option (although you are replacing dithering with colour banding)

Great Video John and Audi. Looking forward to what you guys have in store for us next.

Goddamn. Now I’m just so nostalgic for that PlayStation/Saturn era. It really was peak gaming, the transition point. PS2 ushered in the modern era of form over function that we have now.

$160!? Noooooo sir. PS3 backwards compatibility is close enough in image quality to justify not getting this mod. Cool modification for sure - but that price is too steep for me

@FenderUsa

4 жыл бұрын

@Deathtrooper204 no lol ps3 is cheaper, you also get a PS3, also most people already have a PS3

@FenderUsa

4 жыл бұрын

@Deathtrooper204 all of them can play ps1 games, its only the launch models that can play PS2 as well

@JamieM20001996

4 жыл бұрын

@WD Forty What country are you in? It's about twice the price for the PS2 compatible model over here in the UK.

@Grief111

4 жыл бұрын

You also don't *need* to do this mod. PS1 has native RGB and can be pushed through an OSSC or Framemeister to your flat panel.

@tokyobassist

4 жыл бұрын

@@Grief111 Both of those alternatives cost more than ths cord. Not an option for most people.

CAN’T WAIT FOR THE PS2DIGITAL THAT THEY’RE MAKING RIGHT AFTER THIS

@campkira

4 жыл бұрын

you can emulated ps1 and ps2... which made it so pointless... and yeah again.. i do't play those game anymore since it too outdated... i still play some ps3 and psp some of the time...

@samuraivader3814

4 жыл бұрын

It’s been in development for a long while now. I wonder how long it takes to develop these things.

@Loug522

4 жыл бұрын

@@campkira not everyone likes emulators, also good games doesn't get outdated.

@asuperswaggyguy

4 жыл бұрын

SamuraiVader he announced the PS2Digital (originally called PS2HDMI) in December of 2018 and stopped in September of 2019, because he was having issues getting certain things to work on PS2Digital. He than started working on PS1Digital so he could use what he learned from it to make the PS2D the best it could possibly be and learn how to fix the issues he was having and know more about the hardware. Now it’s August and the PS1D should be officially coming out in September I believe. So development could be about a year. So it could be a couple months for the PS2D after the PS1D comes out. I remember in March him saying the PS1D was close to coming out and now its coming out in September i think. I also remember him saying the PS2D was close a few months before he stopped developing it. Shows how rocky the development can be. I think it’ll be a few months before it PS2D comes out maybe even in December for the anniversary of his announcement. Could be longer 🤷🏼‍♀️ i just can’t wait to play it

@asuperswaggyguy

4 жыл бұрын

original hardware is more reliable and games always work compared to emulation not all games run perfect in emulators you always have to adjust the settings and bios, all games won’t work the same. kinda tedious. also not everyone can afford a pc to emulate and some people just prefer the original hardware look and feel games of games and the experience. plugging in your ps2 or ps1 controller is pretty inconvenient to. the ps1digital gives people and original hardware enthusiasts more of a reason to not use emulators cause now they can play their games in higher quality on modern HDTVs. I always think this plays some games in 60fps cause it interpolaces the footage which doubles the frame rate and resolution double of the game is 240i and 480i

I still own my PSN-stickered PSX and disc collection, so this is great news for me, especially as an audiophile. I'm from the Seattle area, I shopped PSX imports at Pink Gorilla when it was Pink *Godzilla*... and I've just gotta say... With all the bs that has been goin on in my town and the city council this past week, I didn't know how much I needed some positive news. Thank you DFRetro for pulling my spirits up from a pit of despair. Honestly. Appreciate ya✌️

I'd just like to note how pleased I am to see Raystorm used for testing and background music. Still one of my favorite PS1 games.

Very happy to see them showing Disruptor ( 11:44 ) it's such a good game, I think it's the first FPS i actually beat.

God what I would give for a friend close enough to have adult playdate sleepovers with

Great work guys love the channel, you have one hell of a set up there in the studio, looks amazing :). The BVM I have is an interesting one, not sure if any are around anymore, but its in pristine condition and I love it, It's the EV1629 Series Widescreen from Electronic visuals in Woking Surrey in the UK. This BVM is a tinkers paradise as it has no digital OSM, all good old fashioned pots and flip switches on the front pullout board. More info on request :) happy to share if you need anything :)

Fantastic as always.

I was curious to see how 3d action adventures would look, like RE, Tomb Raider or Soul Reaver. But I was glad to see some Kensei love :3

@HondaAccordPerformance

4 жыл бұрын

Yep 3D platform games like Spyro as well and other shooters like Einhander.

@NeonPizza80s

5 ай бұрын

I just wish this thing could get every PS1 game running at 60fps. Going back to lets say Ridge Racer & Battle Arena Toshinden can be pretty rough! Hysterical just how impressive those games were at launch back in 95 even when stacked against the Saturn, only to be an un-timeless eye sore in 2024. We've come so far. Once you get to Gamecube territory, depending, that's when 3D/polygon based titles start to sort of hold up.

Goddamn I don't know what's better, waking up on Christmas morning or waking up to a DF Retro.

Another awesome DF retro! Thank you

Wow that's beautiful, thanks for the video!!!

I love that guys are still keeping this amazing console alive 😍

will be doing this as soon as I can, I hope they do this for the PS2 lord knows it needs something to help that video quality

Nice to hear the Ray Storm soundtrack through this video. One of my favorites on PS1.

The minute I saw the Voultar video, I had a feeling this would be the device you were going to review.

HECKING Awesome DF retro once again!

Great video guys, that picture quality is amazing! This looks like a great product, although I'm completely certain I do not have the skills to install it.

I really can't wait for it to go on sale so I can order one. Everything I've seen of it makes the output look so sharp and crisp! And the fact that it has smooth transitions between 240p and 480i is just *chef's kiss* My soldering iron is ready!

@khhnator

4 жыл бұрын

Voultar just posted a video of him installing this and the newest cd drive sd card mod

@retro_boy_advance

4 жыл бұрын

khhnator I have watched that video 5 times now 😅

@khhnator

4 жыл бұрын

@@retro_boy_advance lol

Finally old school games with graphics that were just like what i remember

@pgr3290

4 жыл бұрын

Emulation: exists

@PLAYER_42069

4 жыл бұрын

@@pgr3290 Emulation is NOT Game Preservation. It's just a way of approximating how the game played vs. playing the actual game the way it was meant to be played on its original hardware using the original peripherals. This is important from a technical and artistic stand point because we're losing games that are just 20 years old. They're more or less gone, but things like this allow us to preserve those games on a 1:1 scale versus sloppy emulation.

@rickyh527

4 жыл бұрын

@@PLAYER_42069 Then wouldn't one just play on a CRT from a time when the consoles were in its heyday?

@pgr3290

4 жыл бұрын

@@PLAYER_42069 As soon as you digitise the output of a console only designed and equipped with analogue out then essentially you're modifying the way the games were authentically played and viewed back in the day. I understand the point you made but it's moot even if you're a hardliner preservationist. For the vast majority emulation and enhancement is the best way to play old titles.

@zgoaty9235

4 жыл бұрын

Ricky H If one can still be found in good condition that isn’t overpriced. That and CRTs are bulky units, so there would be a heavy shipping charge applied to the buyer if the seller sells it online or in the other case the buyer would need a vehicle large enough to support the amount of room needed to fit one for transport.

Great video guys, want one myself.

Hearing that Soul Edge / Soul Blade music and short fight instantly brought back many memories!

Guys, this is not news for you, but Audi's audio is really quite a lot lower than John's (on my phone w/o earphones) and that makes me want to adjust volume constantly. Consider giving him his own mic or so, that should help a lot. Thanks heaps for the great content, as always!

The difference in sound quality is amazing. I haven't messed with any of these HDMI mods before but this might be the one that makes me dip my toes in!

Damn I wish you would put the names of each game being shown on-screen! There were several in this video that I didn't recognize but I thought looked cool.

@shaunstephen9761

4 жыл бұрын

What times were they at? I agree if they put them in the banner it would make it so much easier!

@conoraq

4 жыл бұрын

@@shaunstephen9761 The game at 3:30 which looks like Gradius Gaiden but seems to be a different game, and first person mecha (I think?) games at 16:40 and 18:15

@shaunstephen9761

4 жыл бұрын

18:15 is Kileak:the DNA imperative, 16:40 is Epedemic (sequel to Kileak I think?) 3:30 is Salamander 2

@conoraq

4 жыл бұрын

@@shaunstephen9761 Thank you dude, you've saved my sanity

Just modded my system today. X-Station and PS1 Digital. Difficult for sure but got it working first try!! Looks gorgeous!!!

1:43 Audi:"I was really curious when you invited me down to a play date and sleepover " John:.....That wasn't the plan

@ebridgewater

4 жыл бұрын

plan*

@MrMarkTheBeastMemes99

4 жыл бұрын

@@ebridgewater thanks for pointing that out!

@MrMarkTheBeastMemes99

4 жыл бұрын

@UCmkA4l2I-LpxXWMEAgDLO9w I already did that, but thanks for pointing that out!

@XgamerdaveX

4 жыл бұрын

For full affect 1:40

I need to see Silent Hill 1 and MGS1 with this! It really does look crisp and the sound is awesome. Emulators are nice but there is just something awesome about original hardware having both audio and video digitally output!

Digital Foundry, please be aware the PS1 Duke Nuke 3D and Diablo do not emulate very well on the PS3 if you’re not aware of this.

@arggamer

4 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing graphical glitches in Ace Combat 3 and Driver 2 too when being played on PS3

@TobyRieper48

4 жыл бұрын

Or X-Files...PS1 and CRT all the way

19:28 Totally agree with this.

My favorite console of all time! I wished I still had it, would definitely do this mod.

Already ordered the PSIO waiting for PS1Digital to orders to open back up soon. Man I'm amped to check out Xenogears on this. Also found a 20 pin model Saturn locally for $150 CAD have the Fenrir installed already and have a SCART cable on the way to use with my OSSC. Retro-Bit Saturn controllers and a Brook PS4>PS1 adapter so I can have solid wireless controller setups for each. This video totally made me go yea fuck it, I'm getting both a Saturn and PS1 setup as there's just an overwhelming amount of awesome titles on them.

Nice video, as always. Btw please do a DF Retro about Super Mario 64. I think it's worth talking about it, specially recently.

Macross V-FX2 "Get Free" good pick! Also, I thought I only need my 2054QM, but now I want more PVMs in my life :p

It would be amazing if you guys covered Tales of Phantasia for the SNES in a future episode of DF Retro. That game was a technical masterpiece, both regarding graphics and audio!

interesting tech and glad it exists... the problem is, these boutique kits are very expensive and will sell out in no time -- once the production is halted, they will probably never be sold again. a simpler and arguably better option is to get yourself a 20" CRT on the cheap from a local seller and play your retro games as intended. the flat screen CRTs from 2005 ish have component and s-video inputs and will make all ps1/ps2 games look fantastic. a wire shelving unit will allow you to fit all of your retro gaming hardware within an 18"x36" footprint which is very reasonable for those who have limited space.

That disclaimer was perfect

Awesome!!! Thank you!!!

Just saw a Voultar video soldering this, not an easy mod ... awesome!

When I clicked this video I was not expecting to hear Hummingbird, can't beat Yoshiki Fukuyama's voice

@TooFurious4

4 жыл бұрын

Song name?

@longsun_zhao

4 жыл бұрын

@@TooFurious4 It's the opening FMV music from Macross VFX-2 for the PS1 (I think)

@cnhnx

4 жыл бұрын

@@TooFurious4 It's "Get Free", artist name is what the original comment said

Dayum - awesome! I really can’t wait for PS2digital

1:43 John thinks if he should pull the show

Lmao his face when he said play date and sleep over 🤣🤣😅

Macross VF-X-2 Theme music at the start of the video was awesome

1:24 Valkyrie Profile music confirmed, my noble einherjars! "To a World Becoming Impure" is the Sakuraba Motoi song we need.

finally ps1 digital review on df

Macross VFX 2 intro song!! I like it. Old good memories with PSX.

Man, love that RayStorm ost

Was not expecting to see any footage of Ray Tracers. Got that with my PS1 all those years ago!

Lmao I love it, the snake pliskin cut

I am super excited for this mod. I am looking forward to revisiting some of my favorite games such as FFVII, and FF IX. If only to listen to that amazing music.

Really intrigued by this. Would have loved to have seen this against an OSSC though with optical timings.

The cut on "sleepover" 🤣🤣🤣

The amount of creativity during the 5th gen in general and esp Ps1 was pretty outstanding. So many great games didn't get the marketing or sales they deserved and you showed one...Disruptor, fantastic 60fps first person shooter. Stuff like Omega Boost, Silent Bomber, EInhander, Vanark, Colony Wars, Armored Core, Brave Fencer Musashi, Ace Combat + many more. Loads of innovation and great content. The 6th gen keep it going too.

good video Digital Foundry

PS1 through PS2 was the best Era!

This thing is Chrono Cross ready. That's all I needed to know, now I want one.

@tcbvgames

4 жыл бұрын

The prerendered backgrounds i n Chrono Cross look pretty good on the PS3 thru HDMI. The 3D models look REALLY rough, though. Which is what you would expect from a PS1 game, of course.

Found a few PS1 gems listed I never heard of, and I thought I knew it all. Kudos y'all!

I love this video, you can cut the sexual tension with a knife!

I always think that I played all the good PSX games but I guess not. iS- internal section and the featured Raycrisis, Ray Tracers & RayStorm are now on my playlist for next week. That PSX library was magical and new fan translations released as late as 2020. The Saturn ain´t bad but its solid library isn´t remotely on this level. It sucks though how obscure and often never rereleased or remastered many good Saturn games still are. Sega really needs to get on that.

13:27 The "sound quality " montage features a bunch of games that use streaming yellowbook (XA) audio. Soul Blade, Tekken, and Gradius use it. I beleive Raystorm does, as well.

"You might want to get it preinstalled" Yeah I don't see that option on the website.

So many great light gun games on the PlayStation. It's fantastic that this method doesn't eliminate analog video!!

that japanese beavis and butthead warning was gold.

These initiatives to modernize classic consoles are the best thing that happened together with flash cartridges and optical disc emulators.

John must have had to reach down deep for his inner Zen, to keep a straight face when his buddy said sleepover

@Tyranniod

4 жыл бұрын

These comments are brilliant. Everyone I read I just see John's face again.

@bdre5555

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tyranniod it was the perfect way to film that little section haha. Obviously his buddy was just making some silly reference to kids having sleepovers. But the quick Zoom made it hilarious

Wait haha wth, is the guy on the left - THE ACKCHUALLYYY guy? What a legend.

I saw that Border Down flex. I've been dying for a remaster ever since G.Rev did Under Defeat HD. It's basically a sequel to Metal Black which I thought was Darius 3 in many ways. When are you gonna do a SHMUP breakdown? I'd love to see that!

Great video! Could you guys put the names of the games you show in the description? I always love the look of them and want to quickly search for more info

Rage Racer background music. Bringing back memories from 1997!

God I love DF Retro

Thankfully with Xstation and ODE's in general optical drive issues on retro consoles are a thing of the past.

great intro, a man of culture chose that one

sound is really on another level

This is a labor of love

There is a script doing the rounds that will edit PSX binaries to force the GTE to disable dithering by the way. That’d be worth visiting with this I’m sure.

Looks like an amazing product indeed. And while the filtering is probably the least important feature by far, I wonder why they chose the outdated HQ2x instead of xBRZ+Deposterization or even SABR. As for simulating scanlines, I found nothing beats Mednafen's GOAT shader with the Goatron mask pattern.

I?m disappointed Wipout3 wasn't teasted with its high res mode, amazing fast gameplay and IIRC 16:9 option. I would like to see some widescreen ps1 games in action

@eponymous7910

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah would've been great to see some Wip3out or 2097/xl footage. Psygnosis were kings of the ps1 era. Ditto Vagrant Story from SS