when you judge a CRT screen, shot by a camera, uploaded to youtube, using LCD tv...

@madd5

4 жыл бұрын

still, kindda feels better :)

@tophan5146

4 жыл бұрын

On a phone, with a night shift mode turned on

@brentgreeff1115

4 жыл бұрын

I think this is mostly for people who actually remember what it was like to play on a CRT. I stopped playing games when LCD became the norm. I did not know why at the time, but games just seemed to suck. Its only recently with high refresh & OLED that I have become interested again. Lets not underestimate the power of social media, enough hype & maybe we could see a limited run of a new Sony modern CRT, or maybe one of these retro mom&pop shops could turn some out. Bit more complex than an analogueNT, and way harder to ship, but who knows. Maybe it would come flat packed?

@Anthony69420

4 жыл бұрын

Lol or oled screen on my samsung....

@michaelmyers5803

4 жыл бұрын

I use an oled tv

70s and 80s movies depicting CRT monitors in futuristic settings might be a lot more prophetic than we thought...

@fragz_ttv

4 жыл бұрын

SpookyDollhouse I’m going to screenshot what you just said

@PixelPolishTV

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing literally few days ago. Maybe some sort of a step-up from the classic CRT, but still. Same goes for tube-based audio amplifiers that are already making a comeback.

@RustySeatbelt

4 жыл бұрын

Skynet’s claws linger on... 🖐 ✋ 👍

@ramsaybolton9151

4 жыл бұрын

it depends. Modern monitors are a lot more utilitarian. Much easier to mass produce and less energy usage. CRT are like craftsman monitor.

@benflowers312

4 жыл бұрын

@@ramsaybolton9151 crts are also way more potentially dangerous and therefore harder to make, iirc?

I'm from the future and we are all playing Half Life 3 on curved CRT monitors.

@andrewchamberlain5175

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Bear, appreciate the ray of hope. How's your hoverboard, if you don't mind me asking?

@bahoaday

4 жыл бұрын

>on curved CRT monitors Well, most older CRT monitors were already curved so it's nothing new. Just that, they curve outward.

@HandledToaster2

4 жыл бұрын

We'll get hoverboards before Half-Life 3

@andrewchamberlain5175

4 жыл бұрын

@@HandledToaster2 Half Life Alyx... your move.

@HandledToaster2

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewchamberlain5175 I said *HALF-LIFE 3* HLA is a different game

I will never forget the day we bought an HD tv and immediately felt the input lag.. I wanted the CRT back right away

@gorkskoal9315

4 жыл бұрын

OMG! thank you!. input lag. saturation color being able to adjust the brightness, clarity, or saturation all seperately? I think we're doing it wrong in some ways.

@foxus-a113

3 жыл бұрын

Holy sh*t I also had this moment. Like literally GoW 3 used to run perfectly on our CRT screen and then we bought a Full HD Tv and I was aware that some things were odd here. It was the input lag. Like literally, if you think about it. Analog cameras are also better than digital cameras, their quality of picture seems better to my eyes than any digital camera if you ask me.

@sannyfolkesson2226

3 жыл бұрын

why i havent upgraded the 720 flat panel i use was purely for it has no input lag as i kept running on thsi after the old LG one kicked the bucket

@memenest468

3 жыл бұрын

Idk, i bought recently 43 inch tv, it's full hd tv and i never encountered input lag, i guess it depends on tv brand

@DuSeun

3 жыл бұрын

@Girl On A Quest Some TVs have less than 10 ms input lag, some have more than 50 ms input lag, so it really just depends. You wouldn't notice 10 ms.

2020: everyone playing modern games on 4K LCDs 2025: everybody playing raytraced Minecraft on 2005 CRTs

@laughingoctopus8556

4 жыл бұрын

WE HAVE TO GO BACK, KATE!

@descorchedfurnst2790

4 жыл бұрын

Laughing Octopus We were brought here for a purpose Jack!

@outlander234

4 жыл бұрын

@@laughingoctopus8556 lmao thanks for the laugh

@gundstaff

4 жыл бұрын

I have 3 CRTs!😀

@blues05

4 жыл бұрын

There's only a handful of LCD's 4k tv though. There's plenty of LED's 4k tv on the other hand.

Welp, time to change the channel name to *Analog Foundry*

@Meowblivion

4 жыл бұрын

POINTS

@MyReksio

4 жыл бұрын

Fnalog Aoundry :Kappa:

@thecathat2725

4 жыл бұрын

Underrated joke

@BojanBrankov

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they need to try it on lamp light TVs!

@igoresque

4 жыл бұрын

AF

Until you get a nice CRT you dont realize how good this tech was. Yes it was bulky and heavy, but you will be surprised at how good the display looks.

@xylem2202

3 жыл бұрын

Is the Sony Trinitron Monitor CPD-200SF Multiscan 200SF a good one?

@joelpichette

2 жыл бұрын

crt are bad for your eyes unless you watch them from far away (away = 4-6 times the size of the screen)

@jhsevs

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelpichette incorrect.

@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive

2 жыл бұрын

@@jhsevs Phosphor coatings can sometimes wear out. There are measurable X-Rays and Gamma Rays within a few inches in front of the CRT screen which some children place their faces right up to.

@p0pimp2004

2 жыл бұрын

Of course they are. The problem is the sheer size the bigger u get. Its just like how analog is superior than digital in terms of quality but analog isnt nearly as versatile as digital. It comes down to cost and size.

I think this is one of the reasons why we remember those game graphics were looking much better back in the days, because today we're seeing those games again in our new LCD monitors. CRT monitors are simply the best.

@sonyx4500

Жыл бұрын

CRTs add scanlines to the old games and the great contrast and perfect motion clarity creates a 3D feeling. No LCD can recreate that look

@EximiusDux

9 ай бұрын

@@sonyx4500 To this day i wonder where this entire "visible scanline" stuff comes from. CRT screens did not have visible lines running trough them. A CRT did not draw pixels, it drew everything based on entire "lines", that is a scanline. Those lines were drawn so fast that nobody could see it happen.

@sonyx4500

9 ай бұрын

@@EximiusDux I can see scanlines at the Original Resolution of 240p

@EximiusDux

9 ай бұрын

@@sonyx4500 Yeah i will never understand that. I have never seen nor owned a television or PC CRT with visible lines running trough it.

@sonyx4500

9 ай бұрын

@@EximiusDux Not on normal television. I can definitely see scanlines on a CRT Monitor aswell when I lower the Resolution.

I always felt like games looked good CRT's but I never did figure to try out modern games on it. Imagin this video blows up and CRT's make a big comeback.

@philipcooper8297

4 жыл бұрын

LGR did some gaming on a black and white TV.

@ZaireXIII

4 жыл бұрын

Sadly they can't. Production on these would need facilities and resources that just wouldn't be cost effective these days. Plus the sheer weight and heat these things produced would be a hard to justify. Shipping would eat manufacturers alive right now.

@wormbagged

4 жыл бұрын

You're too late. The hype train started several years ago. They're not being made again, though.

@adamashworth6293

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZaireXIII Yeh but if you actually put some money into it I bet with today's technology a big company could make some innovations with this old tech and reduce the from factor, it is never going to be as small as an LCD but if you could make it lighter and smaller and have a larger screen and specifically target it towards gamers and use the benefits shown in the video as the selling point while marketing it then I bet a large section of the gaming community would pick up a product like that, I know I would.

@Andytlp

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZaireXIII i thought they still produced these things for medical use... whatever factory still does that could make mad cash selling it as a gaming monitor lol.

Warehouse: Full of brand new CRT monitors that didn't sell. Owner: *sweating*

@RealBadGaming52

4 жыл бұрын

i wish I could get a Brand new CRT, the owner be like, "i can sell these to retro gamers" PROFIT

@ManOfAttitudeLP1998

4 жыл бұрын

I saw ones though

@jamegumb7298

4 жыл бұрын

@@RealBadGaming52 Look up new old stock, sometimes labeled NOS. I have 2 21 inch crt still in my basement, NOS, bought for nothing almost.

@lolindirlink

4 жыл бұрын

Just call them "GAMING monitors" and hit them with a +$100,- pricetag on top of it.

@godless789

4 жыл бұрын

@@lolindirlink $100? you're kidding right? If they are better for gaming than oled 4k hd then they will cost more then oled 4k HD. Just wait for the new 2019 CRTs for $4999.

Now imagine if CRTs had been developing all this time...

@miraakthuri

3 жыл бұрын

Ye, we only recently achieved good black levels with oled (even abit better than CRT) but crt are still better for everything elses besides reading/writting texts i can't imagine the awsome things we could have today if that technology was still researched...

@sonyx4500

3 жыл бұрын

@@miraakthuri We already had the true Replacement of the CRT with SED. But Patent issues prevented it.

@miraakthuri

3 жыл бұрын

@@sonyx4500 i know but sadly we never got to use them so unless they ever got resurrected it will prob stay that way

@sonyx4500

3 жыл бұрын

@@miraakthuri Im hoping that one day we will have a true Replacement of the CRT.

@miraakthuri

3 жыл бұрын

@@sonyx4500 ye me too, btw i think the patent recently expired (might be wrong but i remember reading it somewhere) so maybe someone will pick it up

I think that we should bring back, and start producing CRT tvs again as an alternative to the HDTV.

@tacosatlarge

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, produce both, one side stays modern and progresses, the other sticks around in the legacy sector. I think smaller legacy-based industries still manufacture them in fact.

@paulgonzales1829

2 жыл бұрын

I wish they would or a copy of crt because afaik correct me if im wronh producing crt tvs were quite expensive difficult and hazardous

@toddmunjo1745

10 ай бұрын

@@paulgonzales1829 Plus CRTs are awful for the environment and really difficult to dispose of safely. As cool as the tech is, it's very impractical.

@paulgonzales1829

10 ай бұрын

@@toddmunjo1745 theres a monitor filter now called shaderglass that can emulate crt on a modern screen, its pretty decent and really customizable

Nothing beats that glow of a CRT monitor on a cold winter night.

@tomalexander4327

4 жыл бұрын

@@Avistent Can it do my ready made Lasagne at the same time as I'm getting my daily dose of atoms?

@Tvv1SteR

4 жыл бұрын

@@Avistent Just 'bout 3.6 roentgen. Not great, not terrible. 😉

@jaysanchez4407

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tvv1SteR I heard it's the equivalent of a chest x-ray so if your overdue for a check-up there you go

@joeblogs8907

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaysanchez4407 One chest x-ray is 100 µSv. Using a crt montior for a year 1 µSv

@jaysanchez4407

4 жыл бұрын

@@joeblogs8907 😑😑😑

You guys are bringing back the tube in "KZread!"

@agentsmith9708

4 жыл бұрын

CRT is YouR Tube 😁

@hhthoj

4 жыл бұрын

Why doesn't someone create YouPanel?

@constantinart.426

4 жыл бұрын

Joke only for the ones that know.

@imdone8243

4 жыл бұрын

Nope KZread is dead. It's now themtube

@Bramon83

4 жыл бұрын

@@imdone8243 you mean OURtube comrade!! Where are your party papers! To the Gulag with you!

You know what i went to my garage and i found my old 19"dell 993s , it's like he was waiting for me to come back, cleaned it change his faulty cable, and oh my god ! Doom, metro, control, tr.... It's insanely smooth with deep blacks great contrast! Never been so thankful for youtube !!

@Deathrape2001

4 жыл бұрын

It's not that the Dell is so GR8, but that the flat U R currently using sux azz. The free 'HP junk' glossy screen flat I use that I got free off the street looks better than N E CRT ever, after some tweaking =)

@Rusty-uz8ov

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deathrape2001 I know this comment is old, but damn this hurts to read

@efuuu

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rusty-uz8ov Eh

The problem is, technological trends rarely follow the highest content quality. Technology seems to be much more interested in convenience and outward appearance. Thats why we have soundbars instead of full tower hi-fi in most homes. Why spotify and Netflix is more popular than CD and blu-ray.

@HalfLifeHalfDead

3 жыл бұрын

It's about achieving acceptable quality with as much convenience as possible. Fact is most people wouldn't notice the difference between the 320kbps you get on Spotify and a CD. You likely won't notice it, try an ABX test, I certainly can't ,even though I have a fairly respectable speaker system. And on that note, speakers are nice and all, but the amount of space they require can be a bit much for a lot of people. I love my 45 KG subwoofer, but I totally get why many wouldn't want the damn thing. And at the distance most people watch their TV the difference between a Blu Ray and Netflix is negligible. A CRT simply asks too much from the user for what little it does better, that's all there is to it.

@godfather7339

2 жыл бұрын

@@HalfLifeHalfDead "it's about achieving acceptable quality with as much convience" Not true always, it is how it should be, however average consumer does not have the time to do research on which product is convenient/better for him, most of the times it's about gimmicks. My laptop has a glossy screen, however my TV has a matte screen, which is the complete opposite of what it should be, even now, when I go to electronic stores, they are lined with laptops with glossy screens, all of the "noo, but glossy has better display" is useless, when there is a light behind you, which it is always, even right now as I type, I can see my face crystal clear in the screen. I'm pretty sure the reason has got to do with selling the product, rather than "better display". Also planned obsocelense.

@ferez1985

2 жыл бұрын

I get your point, but CD is not a good example as it has zero advantages in comparison to digital media, but you are right about the sound bar example. The sad thing is, that the successor technology of CRT, which would have given us flat monitors (like modern screens) was in development just at the time LCD panels began getting traction in the market, and unfortunately development was ditched. In other words, we could have had modern CRT monitors today with all the advantages...

@Erowens98

2 жыл бұрын

@@ferez1985 CDs are typically formatted in a lossless audio format. Whilst streamed files are most often MP3s or some other lossy equivalent. You're right that CDs are not superior to other digital formats inherently. A flac file you downloaded will sound identical to any properly formated CD. They're both lossless digital audio. But your average CD will sound better than your average music steaming service due to the lossless file at a far higher bitrate compared to a heavily compressed lossy file. So my comment wasn't CDs vs digital. It was heavily compressed vs lightly compressed files. I won't comment on CRTs though since I'm unfamiliar with the advantages. My impression is that screen size would be inherently limited by bulk.

@Richdadful

2 жыл бұрын

True ppl prefer bezel less tv even if its edge lit than a full full array dimming with bezel.

I've got to stop watching DF, they've got me wanting to buy an ancient CRT monitor.

@luuketaylor

4 жыл бұрын

Do it!

@Ztreak

4 жыл бұрын

@@luuketaylor Lol...same here.

@DoomBunnyKiller00

4 жыл бұрын

@Cinnabar Volcano Not to mention the price one would be since everyone knows about it. You'll never find one used for cheap.

@madd5

4 жыл бұрын

it weighs like 20 kilos though LOL

@JJSideshowBob

4 жыл бұрын

Their enthusiasm is contagious. I used to play on PC only, they have already coaxed me into getting an HDR TV and a console, and now this...

I can imagine Sony upper management desperately pulling their engineers out of retirement and getting them working on 'luxury pro gamer' CRTs RIGHT NOW. I can now see the marketing slogan being 'CRT, the new vinyl'.

@Kain652

4 жыл бұрын

I know it's just a joke, but still: CRT's are dead and won't come back just because of the weight factor. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. Shipping alone would make it unprofitable.

@tpommischiefmaker

4 жыл бұрын

Sadly not going to happen because they only care about pandering to shallow consumers who don't care about the technology and just want their TVs to be thin and sleek.

@wilkinlow

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kain652 I can see a world where they market it as limited runs.

@credfire8660

4 жыл бұрын

@@tpommischiefmaker It's not that. CRTs simply have a bad rep because of the radiation they emit (despite the fact that a cell phone emits around 35 times the amount a 42" CRT does)

@ManOfAttitudeLP1998

4 жыл бұрын

Random Headphone Reviews CRTs are hella expensive to produce

8k exists * digital foundry: CRT is the future

@Deathrape2001

4 жыл бұрын

Every 4K TV at Costco looks like absolute $hit. The ONLY good looking TV there was the 1 remaining 1080p 'junk' =)) Funny the GARBAGE people will buy just because it has a larger 'number' LOL!! It does not look real, at all, because of many 'secondary' problems like crazy oversaturation & hyper fake contrast & flickering 'subsampled' type of look 2 it, like it is having trouble organizing the 'zones' or something = pathetic. Not a coherent uniform realistic look like an open window at all.

@Mart-E12

4 жыл бұрын

8K is pointless

@Ailgadem

4 жыл бұрын

@@AM-mk3zc i got a Compaq S700 for €5 :D

@colemin2

4 жыл бұрын

@@Deathrape2001 Lower contrast manually then?

@colemin2

4 жыл бұрын

@Neon Pizza And a terrible power drain vs LCDs.

This is Gamer equivalent of Audiophile vinyls.

@CynHicks

4 жыл бұрын

Yes and no. I fully understand the analogy but it's not completely accurate. Not that you said it was so good call.

@Abel-Alvarez

4 жыл бұрын

the highest quality cassette tapes ftw.

@robosergTV

4 жыл бұрын

no? Vinyls are objectively poorer quality, digital is truly lossless. CRTs are better then LCD. So bad comparison.

@Koffiato

4 жыл бұрын

@@robosergTV Both Vinyls and CRTs are analog while LCD is digital. Also Vinyl is even more lossless because no compression

@robosergTV

4 жыл бұрын

@@Koffiato no, just no. "Even more lossless" does not even make sense and shows you don't know what you are talking about. Analog information storage has always losses due to the way its saved and played back. Digital storage is flawless and the audio or video would be lossless. It has no compression, hence lossless. And LCD is not digital, you can play back a VHS or an analog VGA video on a LCD. You are confusing things. The signal is either digital or analog. If anything, we would call CRT and LCD analog, same as say a sound speaker.

Nvidia should bundle a CRT monitor with the 2080Ti and say "how it was meant to be played"!

@Holammer

4 жыл бұрын

The CRT would be more expensive than the 2080Ti (If it was a new unit).

@Verpal

4 жыл бұрын

@@Holammer Especially with those ''modern CRT'' with reduced weight and size, they literally cost an arm and a leg!

@moxie_ST

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha 👍 Nice one bro 😁😁😁

@thepro08

4 жыл бұрын

the problem is that is not meant to play with ngridia since most AAA games are consoles ports and consoles play on AMD so the games are developed for and meant to be play on amd.....

@lenny0347

4 жыл бұрын

@@thepro08 shouldn't all aaa run on vulkan then

If somebody had told me that I would seriously be thinking of going back to a CRT in 2019 I would've called them crazy, yet here we are...

@dango2917

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it has sent me onto Ebay trolling for old CRTs that are still useable.

@DarDarBinks1986

4 жыл бұрын

If I were to game on a CRT, I'd rather use a professional or broadcast monitor for that sweet RGB video. RGB on a PVM or BVM is electric sex.

@mirabilis

4 жыл бұрын

They're crazy.

@TechRyze

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarDarBinks1986 The benefits for VGA use are progressive scan, and 100Hz+ refresh, in addition to much higher resolutions than SD CRTs for retro consoles.

@tymandude1510

4 жыл бұрын

CRT and Plasma were both far superior technologies for picture quality but they were large and expensive so they were left behind.

Happy to see someone give CRT monitors some love and the respect it truly deserves. Even though it has been ages since I last used my sony trinitron monitor I still miss it because I also noticed how LCD monitors seems to not have caught up in many areas.

That sony crt is going for almost 2000 euros on ebay...

@AA-gl1dr

4 жыл бұрын

Helder Costa for a reason

@hellfire92837

4 жыл бұрын

You can get an asus rog swift 4k gsync 144hz for that money

@heldercosta1209

4 жыл бұрын

@@hellfire92837 sure... But i already have a high refresh rate monitor for my pc. I am looking for an old but good CRT for my old consoles.

@hellfire92837

4 жыл бұрын

@@heldercosta1209 old games are way better on emulators, just look at higan with performance patches and mode 7 or epsxe and the various shaders/plugins etc

@heldercosta1209

4 жыл бұрын

@@hellfire92837 i am aware of the existence of emulators and have tried them before... i just want the real deal, the way i remember from 20/25 years ago. I have a CRT TV but only compatible with composite. I want One compatible with component but i am having a hard time finding one.

We need modern CRT screens. I would buy one in an instant

@TexelGuy

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if we could lower the weight and size with today's technology and still get all the CRT benefits like no sample and hold. It might get expensive but there's gonna be a market for it.

@cryohellinc

4 жыл бұрын

@@TexelGuy in many ways CRT is supreme in comparison to LCD. However, the main issue in "resurrection" of this tech will be the manufacturing. I don't think anyone produces them anymore. As a result of some big company restarts it, prices will be nuts. However, I'm sure that in a very short term afterwards we would get new tech that will reduce cost, size, weight and add new features. Everything new, is well forgotten old.

@thefilmdirector1

4 жыл бұрын

16x9 1080p CRT, at least 24 inch diag. Id slap my cash down for one. Would be a big beefy boxy boy, but id for sure get rid of my 1080p monitor for one.

@jackun2515

4 жыл бұрын

It's was FED and SED technology, 2 future technology using tube killed in 2000's and which should allow to create flat display like lcd and oled display with the advantage of oled and CRT..

@stefanomessina6574

4 жыл бұрын

@@cryohellinc They should (could?) be re-engineered with modern technologies, maybe now there's a way to maintain the quality while reducing the size (not strictly as musch as an LCD), maybe some new material or way to shoot photons at a higher angle maintaining the quality, like some of the late models tried to do with half-size CRT's (I believe Samsung produced some of these back in the day). There's no market for them though, so it's likely that'll never happen, sadly.

I've been using the same CRT monitor since May of 1999 and I'm glad that I finally don't look crazy anymore

@kamerad_marzuki3631

4 жыл бұрын

i miss my uncle CRT monitor.

@RealBadGaming52

4 жыл бұрын

damn, your either dirt poor or very determined to avoid tech trends.

@snetmotnosrorb3946

4 жыл бұрын

Lucky soab. My equally old IBM CRT started to die around 2005, and then I even had switched to a new rig in 2003 that I mainly used. Had to turn down resolution and refresh rates to make it work eventually. I still have, but it only runs on 640x480 60hz. I had a Samtron and a Samsung CRT, gave away both 3 and 1 years ago respectively and then finally switched to a giveaway LCD. To be fair they were all budget class.

@Maisonikkokufan

4 жыл бұрын

MrVercettti89 did you watch the video at all?

***stokes his crt lovingly*** which due to its colossal weight is sinking ever deeper into mother earth until it reaches its final resting place upon the planets solid iron core...

@enriquerivas8578

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, i stroke every inch of my 16(and growing number of) crt babies. ! You rock bro . Keep loving this amazing beings.

@Deathrape2001

4 жыл бұрын

How many do U USE? U should $ell all but your favorite, & maybe 1 backup =)

@scottiedavis5527

2 жыл бұрын

Earth has a CRT core I have decided.

Remember to use high quality and short cable. Using separate RGB via concentric cables is another option, but again, high quality, well shielded and short will get the best results.

Everyone: 2030 I will be gaming on a paper-thin screen Reality: CRT's EVERYWHERE

@ArthurD

4 жыл бұрын

What if there'll be paper-thin CRT screens? Screens that somehow will show image not pixel by pixel but line by line?

@Oversensitive-S-poster

4 жыл бұрын

Or if cannon got off their asses and invested in it, SED displays would have been the perfect replacement for CRT.

@Oversensitive-S-poster

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArthurD look up SED displays lad, such wasted potential

@jasonshere

4 жыл бұрын

So all of those classic, futuristic Sci-Fi Movies with CRT monitors in them were actually accurate?!

@where1024

4 жыл бұрын

@@Oversensitive-S-poster Agreed, I remember reading about SED way back and thinking how amazing it sounded and it was very power efficient too if I remember right. 🙂

Makes Control look like an 80’s sci-fi, kubrickesque horror movie

@hopelessent.1700

4 жыл бұрын

I don’t see the Kubrick vibes, I’d be more willing to compare it to John Carpenter.

@erikfry5887

4 жыл бұрын

Stranger things vibe for sure!

@kajmak64bit76

4 жыл бұрын

But what you seen here is also recorded by a camera which is meh... You need to see it in person

@DGP406

4 жыл бұрын

@@hopelessent.1700 YES! exactly! it reminded of the Prince of Darkness, that future footage of the devil/anti-christ coming out of the church in particular

@hopelessent.1700

4 жыл бұрын

Syber-VHS also the film that mostly reminds me of is the cult classic They Live. Particularly the whole conspiracy aspect about the gov’t.

i remember owning a 19" CRT monitor back in the early 2000's, paying $700 for it and loving the crap out of it. If you had a new game but your computer couldn't quite handle high details AND high resolution, you could lower the resolution then pump up the detail and it would look pretty amazing (but a bit softer). I remember being able to change the refresh rate, boosting it for Unreal Tournament deathmatches so that movement was buttery smooth...great, now I want one.

flatscreen CRTs were a requirement for top end gaming back in the late 90s/early00s, especially in RTS and FPS games. The best CRT of all IMO was the NEC MultiSync FP2141SB...22" of pure perfection

@gnarlycupcakes

2 жыл бұрын

I would give just about anything to get my Multisync back, but with high refresh and Gsync support. I would literally game on nothing else.

@solo.99

2 жыл бұрын

I saw that and I didn't even know it was a CRT haha. It looks like something I might pick up honestly!

"Perfect motion." I'm an old guy. I took that for granted. It didn't need to be said. Then LCD came along. Young people don't know what they missed. Thanks for educating them, a little.

CRT's have a great depth, it's a shame they quit improving the tech to make cheaper tv's. They were getting slimmer near the end.

The name Digital Foundry sounds like a late 90’s game developer.

@lorenfulghum2393

4 жыл бұрын

you're probably being reminded of sonic foundry, producers of sound forge, a popular program in the 90s.

@atcguy2007

3 жыл бұрын

You're thinking of a developer called Digital Anvil, a computer effects company of Chris Roberts. They made Starlancer and Freelancer which were spiritual sequels to the Wing Commander series.

I remember when the 1st HD screens came out and back then I thought "there is a lot of motion blur"

@bobshanery5152

3 жыл бұрын

I only recently figured out why I never liked the new LCDS compared to the old crt I used to have. The motion blur when moving a mouse is awful. I was told its "the refresh rate".. So I go out and buy a 144hz.... still awful.. Years later buy a 240hz.. Still awful.. Month ago I bought a 360hz monitor (And the cards to support the demand) and its still AWFUL. A few dozen years of LCDS and I just recently realized why LCD suck.... motion blur Imagine moving your head left to right slowly and everything blurring instantly... Thats LCDS. Why did CRTS get taken over? I feel scammed. All the anti blur options I used on LCD come with heavy draw backs from double ghost images to physical pain and they still dont compare to the clarity of moving in a CRT

@KTMGUNNER

3 жыл бұрын

I hate these useless new TVs we've been sold a lie , let's get these CRT TVs up to this level in 2021 and pump out legit TVs from the past for the future.

@superslash7254

3 жыл бұрын

I remember asking everyone why they thought something substantially lower resolution than a basic gaming monitor deserved to be called "HD"

@wadimek116

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobshanery5152 Maybe buy oled then? It doesn't have mid frames which means instant update to next frame. If its not smooth for you then nothing ever will. Just like people who believe vinyl is better even tho its not

@evila9076

3 жыл бұрын

@@wadimek116 if we moved from crts directly to oleds sure Lcds are a fucking scam

Put data to this. Show us closeups of the dots in slow motion to show how refresh compares. Measure the contrast ratios. Show us how resolution maps over a CRT compared to upscaling resolution on an OLED/LCD screen.

@green_life7

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

@Desrtfox71

4 жыл бұрын

CRTs have a better color gamut. This is well documented.

@phoenixx5092

4 жыл бұрын

Sour Grapes? or Milllenial that never saw one in use?

@elijahdavila3684

4 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixx5092 The youngest millenials were born in the mid 90s and grew up in the 00's. Every one of them watched a CRT display.

@phoenixx5092

4 жыл бұрын

​@@elijahdavila3684 not all of them will have seem the top end of CRT displays however. Even I only saw the top end stuff a handful of times and I am gen - x

Wow that CRT looks way better than my LCD when viewing this KZread video on my LCD.

@WTFWHATara

4 жыл бұрын

So clean and sharp on my lcd screen.

@majormononoke8958

4 жыл бұрын

lol... Now all makes sense... I remember buying a PS3 some years ago and we will used an CRT Monitor / TV and the ps3 didnt work on our TV because it needed more than 60 Herz or something near that number... THan we bought a cheap LCD TV with the necessary herz, frequenz ... I and my brother never said it, but we both thought ... This looks worse than the PS2 on the CRT TV XDD... Lets go back XDD

@Clay3613

4 жыл бұрын

@@majormononoke8958 I had a CRT for my PS3 till 2012. I could still see the jaggies in many HD games.

@Rationalific

4 жыл бұрын

Heck, most people don't ever see the true looks of things through videos. But I'm still excited to see new 4K HDR games via compressed KZread videos played at the 1080p video resolution setting on my 1600x900 standard dynamic range laptop.

@bomberman4046

4 жыл бұрын

One thing were TV monitor, where the resolution was stuck at NTSC or PAL numbers (480i and 576i) and there, i remember my PS3 wasn't the best. The games were, ok, but the overscan and certain game text were illegible. Plus certain games even forced you to play with black bar on top and bottom, and squeezing even more that already low resolution wasn't the case. On the other end, there were the PC monitor, with high resolution and all the benefits of it.

Since you're old you forgot the worst thing about crt's: High pitched noise that we all heard when young. Gave me headaches.

@demonpride1975

3 жыл бұрын

i would only hear that hum while the tube is warming up. after that it would disappear.

@mittensfastpaw

3 жыл бұрын

I can still hear it. No, I meant literally I can.

@eric3d2b

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the mosquito noise that was ruinous to those that didn't ruin their ability to hear higher frequencies.

@mittensfastpaw

3 жыл бұрын

Vanquished Void I try to keep my hearing safe but ads, shows and jackass developers always put max volume as the default. I want to fucking sue them all on it before it is too late.

@Name_cannot_be_blank

3 жыл бұрын

Loved the sound or as you call it: “noise”

When I was a kid, I found that low-res photo looked much sharper if i set my screen to 800x600, rather than scale it full screen on 1024x768. I asked people online, and they tell me that's not sharper, it's both blurry no matter how you scale it up. (It's late 2000, most people were on LCD) You answered my question 10 years later. Thank you very much

lets also remember: no input lag

@Nukity

4 жыл бұрын

Well... ~8ms of input lag + potential frametime lag. 60Hz = 16.67ms per frame, but for all intents and purposes, they are lag free.

@pepe6666

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nukity no the input lag doesn't need to exist. you can raster the screen at any time.

@ignasia7230

4 жыл бұрын

This is making me wonder what would have happened to the modern monitor scape, had Plasma TV's taken off instead of LCD and LED. Plasma actually looked clean, no blur, the only issue at first was burn-in but even that was virtually non-existent in the last two years of Panasonic's plasma line. We'd probably be talking about Plasma automatically maintaining that fidelity and quality of CRT, where over time. Nothing ultra thin unfortunately, but still thinner, and larger widescreen monitors at the same weight.

@jamegumb7298

4 жыл бұрын

@@ignasia7230 Makes me wish SED screens had taken off. Not as thin as lcd but close enough, and 0 motion blur as well.

@seorwhite3333

4 жыл бұрын

But i dont understand, why did they stop making then??

I feel like I've been lied to my whole PC gaming life

@mannamanam8233

4 жыл бұрын

What killed CRT screen was the market Everyone went crazy on the slim LCD Tv's Make them thinner and goal of the manufacturer became that and not picture quality 😀

@kap1117

4 жыл бұрын

@@mannamanam8233 but now that people have big beefy gaming rigs and stuff why haven't they seen more popularity in recent years? From what DF have said I'd love to buy one instead of a flatscreen monitor

@mannamanam8233

4 жыл бұрын

@@kap1117 the technology is DEAD ... Unless someone revive it ☺ I am not saying CRT is completely dead but portion of the manufacturing for high refresh rate PC monitor is totally dead Everything is gone all the(( tolling . Machining . Lines)) More importantly supply chain is gone 😐 It's not going to come back

@coffeemakerbottomcracked

4 жыл бұрын

Omg meanwhile guys are literally throwing these CRT screens even if they does work.

@TechRyze

4 жыл бұрын

@@kap1117 Nobody manufactures them. They died by 2006 - nobody was buying CRTs in 2006 onwards, because 17"+ LCDs became pretty much the same price. CRTs are bulky and heavy, so I can imagine that the manufacturers and distributors were happy to kill them off. Can't have been easy to ship over from Asia in terms of costs.

having no blur is the most important thing what the point in higher res if as soon as anything moves the perceived resolution goes down the toilet the best we have now is super high refresh 1080p with back light strobing at 240hz and that's not quite crt quality.

Having been a video engineer for 20 years. I have always said CRT's have had the best image quality. When I had the chance to paint camera on a CRT or a new "flat LCD", I always wanted the CRT. The draw back with CRT is the size and weight. The tech is old and huge. Still some of the best picture money can buy. OLED is the only thing that comes close.

Sony should come out with a high end gaming CRT monitor again

@obsidian9998

4 жыл бұрын

How it would work for Sony in sales.

@obsidian9998

4 жыл бұрын

Plus, how to make a thinner and larger CRT to fit modern markets.

@obsidian9998

4 жыл бұрын

I think technical connection might like this.

@goblinphreak2132

4 жыл бұрын

they could. and with new microchips and such, they could make them considerably thinner and lighter..... we could even probably mount them on normal lcd vesa mounts if they truly refresh the technology. oled has the potential to match the quality of crts, with its ridiculous low .01ms response time and high refresh rates.....

@aarongreenfield9038

4 жыл бұрын

It would be highly unfeasible and cost prohibitive, since they have retooled for lcd and oleds, and do not have factories that build CRT's anymore, they would have to completely rebuild And retool all those factories, And rehire or train all the workers to learn how to build them again. But at least there's still a lot of really good high definition CRT's out there that were built right before the switch to LCD Oled and plasma. But how long that will last remains to be seen, since people seem to be going back to CRT's recently.

I'm glad DF is reporting on something that has been somehow forgotten for too long.

@asimian8500

4 жыл бұрын

Some of us have never forgotten. I do all of my retrogaming on CRT TVs and monitors.

@ManOfAttitudeLP1998

3 жыл бұрын

@@asimian8500 Me too

You haven't noticed that CRTs have perfect blacks too which is a pretty important point. It is like modern OLEDS, you get insane picture quality and Contrast. This was a drawback introduced with lcds. Perhaps you just forgot to mention. It's not only about the blur.

@evila9076

3 жыл бұрын

Lcds are entirely a drawback. Can't see any reason why they replaced crts besides higher profit margins They're worse in everyway besides size and weight which really don't matter much since you don't carry the thing

@sonyx4500

2 жыл бұрын

@@evila9076 Problem is that you are limited with screen size. 32 Inch was already a huge beast for a CRT

@evila9076

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonyx4500 sure that's a problem for tvs, but i don't see anyone needing over 20" as a desktop monitor though especially at 4:3.

@dat_21

Жыл бұрын

Who told you that CRTs have perfect blacks? That's a myth and is not true at all. Try it in a dark room and you will see that blacks are grey.

I really regret getting rid of my old CRT monitor back in 2007.

And this is how DF starts a new trend in gaming...

@dbuts5136

4 жыл бұрын

new?There are literally tens of us

@Dash120z

4 жыл бұрын

hopefully the next gen of consoles is being played on CRT monitors lol.

Perfect motion clarity, high refresh rates, sharp even at low resolutions.... but best of all: ZERO INPUT LAG!! Great video guys, glad to see you join the CRT obsession.

@jackburton307

4 жыл бұрын

Best of all ZERO MOTION BLUR!!

@Andyw1228

4 жыл бұрын

There will be input lag, when you have an DAC with driving electronics which is able to push 1440p@120Hz...

@puzzlemaniak420

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackburton307 there's no blur on OLED as well, however it stutters depending on content/setting. At the same time CRT flickers and has worse colour reproduction (unless it's hi-end Eizo or MAG). I'd say apples to oranges, but OLED is up to 80 inch, while good CRT 24 inch or so (TVs suck). If you really want sick motion quality just buy Kuro or Panny VT plasma.

@jackburton307

4 жыл бұрын

@@puzzlemaniak420 I have the FW900 widescreen CRT. Nothing comes close to it for gaming image quality. You are right about CRT TVs... they suck. The largest they made was a 45 or 50" and the image quality sucked and the resolution was only 480p.

@galvanizeddreamer2051

4 жыл бұрын

Some of the later ones did, for the same reason as digital displays. However, they are quite rare. Andyw: That makes little sense, as you don't need a full framebuffer to convert. At absolute most you would need a few lines. Going in the opposite direction (OSSC), you only need a few lines, even including an upscaler. That is still far better than the minimum 2 frames of processing delay for any LCD.

I'm old enough to remember the day my dad bought a Tandy 16 color crt monitor. Yeah, and it replaced our old 4 color monitor. Lol.

I remember playing quake 3 on a CRT 20 years ago. It looked like it was in 3D there was so much depth to it. The darks were crazy good but there was an incredible shine to the lights and reflections. The lights looked insanely amazing. I don't know how to explain it on here. I've never ever seen anything like that again on an LED monitor or TV. LED's and even OLED have way to many layers and filters between them and the light. Micro LED is our only hope.

@dat_21

Жыл бұрын

You were younger, that's why. It only makes an impression first time, after that it's all bland.

@MsNyara

Жыл бұрын

@@dat_21 I have been a continuous CRT user from being born to today, also an owner of multiple LCD screens and an OLED one. It is not nostalgia. And it is proven by scientific testing that color fidelity (and latency & movement reproduction) in high quality CRTs are still unmatched, though Micro LED are getting closer, but it still needs some years more of catch up. Though newer LCD TN (& VA) panels can hit higher refresh rates and resolutions than the best CRTs (that capped at QuadHD 100hz) at the expense of bleeding out image fidelity. And for the lover of big screens they have been always be able to produce bigger screen sizes, with TV CRTs roughly capping at 40" and monitors at 24". I have 0 regrets that we discontinued CRTs, they damaged the sight of many imprudent viewers that sit too close to their screen, their disposal/recicling sucks and producing and running them is electricity imprudent (though I run mine through an isolated solar system, and it was already produced so why not use it until it stops working), and for many the weight/bulk was a nightmare. But while LCDs are more convenient for everyone, we did have to go back 40 years in display quality for that convenience, and it is just been recently we are shortening the gap.

@dat_21

Жыл бұрын

@@MsNyara I would argue, that current panels are miles ahead. You can get a 4k for reasonable money and it's night and day difference resolution wise. It causes less eye fatigue, more reliable. Yes, motion and black levels are worse, but it's a reasonable compromise. And running a 144Hz+ panel is honestly good enough to not bother with CRTs ever. Also adaptive sync is too good for games to not use it.

Only problem is I can't tell how good that CRT monitor is by looking at it on my LCD monitor

@waverazor

4 жыл бұрын

That's why they had to elaborate on how good it looks

@t-man7749

4 жыл бұрын

I'm picking one up along with a stand for FREE today lol If the guy who is giving it away responds lol

@MrStatusqwo5

4 жыл бұрын

@@t-man7749 I saw one by dumpster when I was coming home the other day 😟😱😆😂🤣

@maxlastbreath

4 жыл бұрын

I look at it from an OLED still can't tell

@Grandmaster-Kush

4 жыл бұрын

@Ari Vicentini If I were to get an Fw900 for gaming would the image quality in 1920 x 1080 be better then on my generic budget LCD even in games such as say The Witcher, Oblivion etc etc? Unfortuantley my old CRT screens been to the dump for years so I cant find out myself

It would be awesome to see CRT monitors have a comeback like mechanical keyboards.

@RicochetForce

4 жыл бұрын

Not possible. CRTs are a super dead-end technology.

@Soldano999

4 жыл бұрын

And vinyl. And hifi. Funny how technology has not evolved but barely shifted to commercial alternatives in order to stay relevant. Our grandads had better music quality than we do. How sad isnthat ?

@JayJapanB

4 жыл бұрын

​@@Soldano999 The convenience though. Being able to access music with a large library, or just generally having desk space. Some monitors, like my Cintiq, you just couldn't have as a CRT. It would be impossible to be ergonomic. Besides, a lot of the difference in vinyl comes from the mixing. Sometimes it's more garbage on vinyl than digital releases. From my experience, speakers make a bigger difference than input anyways. I wouldn't call myself an audiophile though. No snake oil for me.

@Lolimaster

4 жыл бұрын

It's still the best image a human eye can see on a display.

@deanchur

4 жыл бұрын

@JayJApanB: Good thing about modern audio tech is that quality speakers/monitors got cheap. JBL LSR305/308 for under $1K a pair. I can still remember when the only option at that price was Yamaha NS10's, which were only infamous because "If it sounds good on those, it'll sound good on anything". @Soldano999: Not sure about our grandfather's tech; I didn't get much experience with vinyl but I still have my Hi-MD walkman from over 10 years ago, which is the cleanest music quality I've heard outside of SACD.

I’m 46 years old and despite the fact that I’m an early adopter of Flat screen (I bought my first in 2006), I spent a majority of my life with CRT TVs. That being said, while the contrast and motion blur is far superior with CRTs, I cannot stress how poor the resolution is compared to HDTV. My 1080i was the first time I would see “people” in the crowds at Football games and literal blades of grass at PGA events. CRTs are just plain blurry compared to HDTV.

2:47 "what is swiftly becoming a bit of a fetish" *ominous music intensifies*

You know what they say, ain’t no school like old school.

@mrdappernature8861

4 жыл бұрын

Tru statement

@ClapperDan

4 жыл бұрын

*old skool Fixed

@insanejughead

4 жыл бұрын

"and I'm the fucking headmaster."

I remember CRT monitors and how good the image quality could be. This tech definitely needs to be revisited to see if it's even viable in today's market. Thanks Digital Foundry for reminding us older gamers of simpler and better times

@XX-121

4 жыл бұрын

the reason they prob won't be made is because they are so EXPENSIVE to ship. I remember when i bought on used back in 2004 the thing weighed like 90lbs and box was HUGE. heck, the shipping was the same as the monitor. was like $150 ...but it was originally a $1000 monitor so it was worth it to me.

@Deathrape2001

4 жыл бұрын

Get a plasma for free off craigslist, fool =))

@sonyx4500

4 жыл бұрын

@@Deathrape2001 Plasma is too big to be used as a Monitor.

@vejymonsta3006

4 жыл бұрын

It can't happen, because people want bigger screens with big resolution and refresh rates. They justifiably don't care about the TINY input lag and marginal increase in contrast or color accuracy. OLED blows every CRT out of the water in every category except input lag, which is barely noticeable anyway.

@iliyapokatskiy2741

3 жыл бұрын

CRT monitors are not coming back - but SED, which is the development of technology, maybe. By sq.m. I would like to hope so.

I had a Dell CRT monitor for all of the early 2000's, when I made the jump to a 23 inch 16:10 Samsung LCD monitor in 2008 it was impressive having a widescreen flat panel but I quickly missed how colorful and smooth CRT looked.

You can make comparison videos of crt vs lcd for every modern game. A whole new world of content for you.

@eSKAone-

4 жыл бұрын

The problem is we watch them on LCDs. It's like telling a blind man what seeing is.

@lolol123lolol100

4 жыл бұрын

However, you can test motion blur on your LCD

@HEARTS-OF-SPACE

4 жыл бұрын

Look at this Blu Ray quality on your DVD!!!

@heathweather5995

4 жыл бұрын

it looks good in this video. you're welcome.

@Edu-Zer0

4 жыл бұрын

@@eSKAone- Maybe with an offscreen record could be possible to see the difference...

Don't underestimate the speed of electrons in a vacuum ;)

@RetroChiZ

4 жыл бұрын

It's the best way to own a gun

@Baff0000

4 жыл бұрын

And the flurolescent images of salt !

@jaywolfenstien

4 жыл бұрын

Also, don't underestimate their weight and how much space they take up...

@AlphaladZXA

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaywolfenstien what else u got on that desk? Unless your rather cramped already most peoples desks and shelves I've seen have room to spare for this

A large part of the magic inherent in the late 90's early 2000's gaming and general PC experience was due to CRT's.

The lack of input lag in CRT monitors creates a very interesting effect. In any LCD monitor, as the refresh frequency increases, the gain that we have from a high refresh frequency decreases. In a CRT monitor, due to the lack of input lag in a CRT monitor, the higher the refresh rate of a CRT monitor, the greater the benefit from the high refresh rate of the monitor. The difference for a CRT monitor between 140 hertz and 160 hertz is huge, while for LCD monitors the increase in refresh rate of 100 hertz will not be as noticeable. In addition, the very absence of input lag in a CRT monitor allows players to play very dynamic games and receive from them that high quality of play, which would be impossible to obtain in the case of LCD monitors. The gaming industry is in great need of quality games, but at the same time, LCD technology is not able to provide this quality of games. The gaming industry needs CRT monitors because only a CRT monitor can provide high quality direct gaming experience.

I was mocked 2 years ago when i was saying all of this John , im so happy finally someone with a huge platform and credibility put it out there. *Thanks.*

Sony going to bring back CRT like they did vinyl...

@tyler-xo3rb

4 жыл бұрын

lmao vinyl never died

@wormbagged

4 жыл бұрын

No they won't. End of story.

@themriron2391

4 жыл бұрын

@@tyler-xo3rb vinyl most definitely died and it took consecutive years of multiplying sales for it to become relevant again - I'm willing to bet you weren't really around or paying attention to vinyl until it came back into fashion in maybe 2012

@matocarina

4 жыл бұрын

Except crt are stupidity expensive to make

@1luarluar1

4 жыл бұрын

vinyl yes, but try the music cassette with a 3 head player

Man I remember back in 09 when I was playing 360 games on one of those massive TV's from the late 90's with the projectors inside, maybe it's just my memory but games seemed so much more crisp and responsive

Just you watch, CRTs will make a comeback just like how vinyls have

@wadeepperson6906

3 жыл бұрын

I think it would be sick to see some flat version of the old tech Im sure in 2021 we could figure out how to reduce it's depth and weight by 2/3rd it's original size. They started with tubes and then moved to transistors and we're down to a nanometer level of production now 🤣.

@greathero239

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you are right. The flat panels are a money grabbing scam.

@wadimek116

3 жыл бұрын

Vinyls didnt come back. Some hifi enthusiasts like how they look, they usually like only mid tones. They are losing on my hifi gear in lows, highs, accuracy, mids to.

@posteveryside-beatsnews

2 жыл бұрын

100% dude.

@TheCynicalSatyr

2 жыл бұрын

can't back to the mo[crt era]on, the technology is lost, we had to destroy it.

I remember playing Mass Effect on X360 in 2007 when I was in college. I went home for winter break and felt sad that I would have to finish the game on my parents' 32" 480i CRT. Once I hooked it up I realized that the slightly blurry non-HD TV really smoothed things out and the game really looked incredible on it.

@Ashby2508

4 жыл бұрын

Damn, you've just reminded me about the 360 VGA Cable. I had to buy one at when I was in halls at Uni too. It really did look fantastic on it too.

@prittjr

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ashby2508 IIRC the 360 originally came with the combo component/composite cable. They didn't add the HMDI connector until later revisions

We lost light gun games in the rush to lcd. 😭

@wiser3754

4 жыл бұрын

That's been replaced by VR. Way more immersive with it's controllers.

@smallbluemachine

4 жыл бұрын

wiser3754 - who are you trying to convince? Yourself or me?

@SKY11211213

4 жыл бұрын

but gained VR - btw do not buy VR with Cameras (no PS4 I only mean PC) . Steam support is best on HTC and Valve VR with the laser tech.....

@CDbiggen

4 жыл бұрын

@@smallbluemachine , I remember trying to fire up my Dreamcast with House of the dead 2 and Confidential Mission back in the day after getting an LCD screen and getting rid of the CRT, and I was absolutely gutted.

@awesome9174

4 жыл бұрын

@@smallbluemachine As someone who has owned both, VR is 1000x better. Using a Valve Index.

I've been saying this for years and nobody believed me, I've been on the CRT game for years now, especially if you have any interest in playing old video games on PS2/Xbox/Dreamcast, connecting them to a HDTV makes them look like garbage, theres something about the way CRT displays that makes everything look amazing.

@manojvarughese4337

4 жыл бұрын

Damn I need a crt now

@JunglistBass

4 жыл бұрын

Crts give the game this weird kind of depth, its hard to explain but its like some sort of mini 3d hologram type effect that makes it look like the game is real and going on inside the screen, LCDS just look flat and 2d in comparison, lighting effects and fires etc look amazing on crts

@CJTranceAddiction

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know about you, but my PS2 games look pretty damn awesome on my 43" 4K HDTV through component (not HD cable.)

@Harkz0r

2 жыл бұрын

@@CJTranceAddiction The problem is exactly as described in this video: the PS2 doesn't have native 4k output or even 1080p (it's 480i IIRC) and because LCD screens are fixed-pixel displays, it's going to have to upscale the image. That's discounting the fact that component (and for PAL regions, SCART) is an analogue image standard, not digital. I've never had an LCD not look like shit when trying to operate under those conditions, let alone with such a huge panel size, so I just emulate via PCSX2 instead. And even then the motion blur will still be there unlike with a CRT, even though you can increase the internal rendering resolution via emulator GPU config.

I can't find one anywhere, though. I remember missing my 24" CRT after switching to an LCD flat panel. Games just felt more alive.

Ahh man I miss my FW900, When I created the FW900 thread on HardOCP forums back in 2005 I never thought it was gain as much traction as it has over the years and is still active to this day, 14 years later! I would trade my current 27" 144hz Gsync monitor for another FW900 without even questioning it, Truly an amazing display, I paid $400 for one in 2005 but these days they're going for at least double that (if you can even find one).

@MKR3238

4 жыл бұрын

Holy shit it's you :D That thread is legendary and was (is) a valuable place for Ressource

All these people singing CRTs praises, but the day I could bring a LCD monitor to a LAN party instead of lugging around a heavy-ass CRT monitor was a great day.

@TheUberKevlar

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly and if you get a high end modern monitor you can have the quality and weight advantages. It's not like professional artists, colorists, and photographers are using old CRTs anymore and for good reason. You may have to pay a little more but imagine how much that sony CRT costed when it was new. 1920 x 1200 is too low of resolution if you want anything bigger than 20 inches anyway.

@marcusblock8980

4 жыл бұрын

Kraven Doomhammmer different solutions for different problems

@totidoki05

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, cinema screens are at 1080p and we don't care so... I guess what you said is just true for lcd. Though mcd monitors have the huge advantage of color and overall fidelity and also being so convinient in size/weight

@tshepp89

4 жыл бұрын

And then the LAN party died :(

@Nordlicht05

4 жыл бұрын

@@tshepp89 joop you can play online but ist not the same. Tried to organise one Lan. But everyone suddenly had no time anymore

"A blurry Image that blurrs when it moves". TFTs in a nutshelf. Glad I kept my old 19" Monitor (albeit not a nifty one) and hook it up to my PC from time to time. The vibrant colors alone are a huge difference.

@Deathrape2001

4 жыл бұрын

The problem is U R comparing CRT, which mostly look OK, 2 some random krappy flats that R not tweaked right. The main problem with flats is they almost all look $hit on default settings = like cartoons. Tweak them! =)

I think the soft pixel bleeding of crts allows the lower resolution to still hold up to 4k, which basically has to be at such a high resolution that your eyes blend the pixels anyway, to a certain point.

Cue CRT prices skyrocketing. Damn you, John.

@madfinntech

4 жыл бұрын

Assuming you can even find one. Yeah, sure from Ebay but pretty much guaranteed it's broken at arrival.

@infasis

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I hope this video doesn't make my endless hunt even harder to achieve :/

Brilliant! I am going back to my Sony CRT, back in the basement.

@majormononoke8958

4 жыл бұрын

lol... Now all makes sense... I remember buying a PS3 some years ago and we will used an CRT Monitor / TV and the ps3 didnt work on our TV because it needed more than 60 Herz or something near that number... THan we bought a cheap LCD TV with the necessary herz, frequenz ... I and my brother never said it, but we both thought ... This looks worse than the PS2 on the CRT TV XDD... Lets go back XDD

6:00 Wait did you just say you're using a 2080 ti? How exactly are you doing that? It was in my understanding that GPUs have stopped having any sort of analog output a few years back so in order to have this setup you'd have to have a converter right? A digital to analog converter would add some latency.

@Biriadan

4 жыл бұрын

Extremely late reply but a digital to analog converter only adds about 5 lines of latency, which is equivalent to 0.17ms.

@vejymonsta3006

4 жыл бұрын

You really can't see the difference in real time.

@oscarfabianolotti9565

3 жыл бұрын

Digital to analog converter in what resolution? I only know with 1080 output

@iliyapokatskiy2741

3 жыл бұрын

In fact, expensive crt had digital inputs - probably this one also has: put an adapter on hdmi / dp and that's it.

@nfsman3452

3 жыл бұрын

@@Biriadan FYI 5 lines of latency (presumably at 60fps) would be .017ms, not 0.17ms. 0.17ms would be about 1 frame at 60fps.

The best thing about CRT monitors is that you can keep your bedroom warm in the winter with them.

@sacredflames07

4 жыл бұрын

Lolol I stil have it Samsung magic green version 2005

@dat_21

Жыл бұрын

They also tingle when you touch them after a long session. Free nano-current massage.

Now to make a VR headset with two CRT'S. Lol

@blockd1162

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, permanently damage your eyes due to electron exposure. Do it

@Emppu_T.

4 жыл бұрын

Large noggin maneuver

@Callentay

4 жыл бұрын

Lol Can you imagine telling someone how you lost your sight. So what happened to your eyes bro? Electrons man......

@Reiji_Kurose

4 жыл бұрын

Ben Heck Show/Element14 is working on that

@Rainer67059

4 жыл бұрын

RCA produced something like that in the 1950s. It wasn't really VR. It was a headset to watch TV with. A VR headset with tubes should be feasible.

I love crts I wish they still made them with today's tech they would be amazing. It's all about that 0 input lag and no blur.

@DarDarBinks1986

4 жыл бұрын

WHY? We have far better technology now. CRTs are big, bulky, and heavy. Flat-panels take up far less space and you can mount them on your wall. While we're at it, I bet your preferred medium for watching movies is VHS, too. Tell me, how does Detective Pikachu look on tape?

@Brisingr73

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarDarBinks1986 Did you not read his comment? He said he's interested in 0 latency and 0 motion blur

@DarDarBinks1986

4 жыл бұрын

@Alan Bane Flat-screen CRTs only exposed the flaws in the technology. When you play games or watch something on that shit, lines don't always appear straight. They appear curved. The edges of the screen look concave, more so when you have scrolling backgrounds (i.e., the parallax scrolling in the old Sonic games).

@gamerxt333

4 жыл бұрын

also games add blur for an option, so there are people that do like it

@ferofax

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarDarBinks1986 That's not "far better technology", that's just *convenient technology*. I don't think digital tech has progressed to the point where you can compare music quality between a digitally recorded track to that pressed on an actual vinyl. Or comparing images taken by a digital camera versus one developed from film. Or the fact that the human genome encodes 1.5GB of data in a microscopic package (but that's not tech, I guess). Point is, digital is nowhere near analog in terms of being "better". In almost every case, analog will always come up leagues better than digital at the moment.

The first time I switched from CRT to LCD, I noticed a major drop in quality and everyone I mentioned this to denied noticing anything like this. No matter how many times I kept thinking back to how are you used to admire movie quality on my CRT display, I immediately lost that wow factor for LCD. And eventually I just thought maybe I just grew up and got used to the quality. And few years back when I found out CRT displays are actually superior for displaying lower resolution images, I was extremely glad to realize I was right all along!

I now want to cry.....I dropped off my GDM-W900 at a Salvation army 15 years ago. I knew I would never see games like that ever again!! The problem is that these CRTs are old and they are not being made anymore. I think HD retrovision needs to go into making CRTs again, along with there legendary cables. Contact Sony and make it so #1.

2019 mechanic keyboard 2020 crt gaming monitor

@peterkiss1204

4 жыл бұрын

2021 ball mice

@cyclops8238

4 жыл бұрын

2022 yellowed gaming PC cases.

@tomclark5560

4 жыл бұрын

2023 single core processors

@BM3000

4 жыл бұрын

@@peterkiss1204 Damn, I almost forgot about those. Logitech Wingman was the best gaming mouse I've ever had.

@BM3000

4 жыл бұрын

@zimThuet "Wingman" was Logitechs sub-brand for gaming accessories. They had joysticks, gamepads and yes, a three button mouse. And no, high end ball mice with good mousepads were far superior to optical mice.

Do a tutorial on how to setup a CRT with a modern PC without VGA output

@TheGamingDandy

4 жыл бұрын

You can just get a vga to hdmi adapter, simple enough.

@Daz555Daz

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheGamingDandy only if your card is capable of outputting an analogue signal.

@nikuw

4 жыл бұрын

1. Use a dongle

@igoresque

4 жыл бұрын

@@Daz555Daz there are active adapters if passive won't work

@ZinhoMegaman

4 жыл бұрын

@@Daz555Daz Nope, an HDMI to VGA converter works on every single HDMI device, I have one and tested all, PS4, XO, PS3, component video to HDMI converter, blu-ray player and so on on my CRT monitor.

CRT's will always have a special place in my heart but OLED technology has finally reached the point where its a satisfactory replacement for CRT's the latency is a bit higher but low enough to be compatible and once you add black frame insertion the motion clarity on a high refresh OLED is virtually identical. I fully agree that LCD's are garbage and you should never buy one ever but the answer is not to dwell on a dwindling supply of old tech but to find the new tech to move us forward. A 4K 240hz OLED monitor with G-synch and black frame insertion is good enough and has amazing new features CRT lacks. Your better off spending the 1300$ for that new OLED than spending 4000+ on an old CRT.

How fitting that control looks so good on a crt with its retro tech theme

oled vs plasma vs CRT. Digital foundry, please go into this rabbit hole, I'll join you :)

@Brian-bv7ih

4 жыл бұрын

Oled has perfect black levels and contrast curious how motion compares plasma vs. crt.

@51m0n397

4 жыл бұрын

Brian P in theory OLED should have also better pixel response and so less motion blur than an LCD, like CRTs (I said in theory because most of OLED TVs aren’t that great but it is a software problem not hardware). I think, between modern display technologies, OLED is the one that comes closer to the strengths of CRTs. If you want an example of a good OLED screen targeted at gamers that really take advantage of it’s response times check the ROG phone 2. I hope that manufactures can fix the burn-in problem so that we could se pc OLED monitors

@SomeRandomGuy369

4 жыл бұрын

Personally I think just having a high end VA panel like my 55 inch Sony 930e is just as good as if not better than the high end CRTs they made. I mean it doesn't have 1440p or 4k at higher than 60hz. It doesn't have less than 20ms input lag or less than 1ms response time. It does have a much bigger screen, Sharpening engine, better blacks, gets much brighter and just better colors all around. Check out the 930e on rtings. I own a 65inch Samsung ks8000 which is great too. The Sony CRTs look way better than LCDs under a grand. Edge lit LCDs with high end backlight tech and VA panels look fantastic. The Sony X reality engine sharpens the picture and makes all the textures look better than they ever would on any display. I've done my research and done my experiments. HDR gaming is better than CRT gaming anyday. Also if you want to play ray tracing at max the 930e does 1080p at 120hz or just run in 4k60hz window mode at lower res to get the frames up. 60hz is not that bad only when the display has 144hz gsync capability and you run it at 60.

@dark1x

4 жыл бұрын

@@51m0n397 Sadly, all OLED panels sold today are still sample and hold which means motion blur. Even with black frame insertion, it's still not on par with a CRT or even a plasma. Everything else about OLEDs is excellent, I'd say, but there is still work to be done.

@dark1x

4 жыл бұрын

@@SomeRandomGuy369 Well, things aren't so black and white. There are obviously areas where modern displays outshine CRTs - that makes sense. However, the motion resolution and reproduction of low light content is something that no LCD has matched to date. It simply isn't possible with that technology.

"eliminating all motion blur with excellent black levels" say no more! i want to upvote this video 10 times ^^ i want my CRT back! :( i always felt like there is something missing when moving on to LCD from my CRT over a decade ago. i always wanted my CRT back. i kept telling the same lies to my self... with 240hz LCDs do look great, no they do not! thank you very much guys!

I've been using CRT for PC gaming for the longest time. Picture quality is unmatched and response rate is great.

The Sony FW900 was even back then in 2003 very hard to find and if you got one, it was freaking expensive. Now it costs (used) more than new OLED 4k monitor. I still don't understand how you can charge $3000 for this old technology...it's not worth it, belive me.

Makes me wish ThinCRT had happened. Good ol' CRT. Still showing the flat screen boys how it's done. Glad I still have one. Now, I need to try this.

@trifecta9810

4 жыл бұрын

YES!! thingCRT is basically FED technology. This sh*t should've been the norm. Not LCD, OLED or whatever.

You know, I think this is hands down one of the best Digital Foundry videos I've seen. I grew up in the age of CRTs as standard. It's another reminder that pushing technology forward, faster isn't always the best case scenario when the new technology doesn't surpass the old.

The reason why CRT's look so amazing (if you get a good res / refresh mon) is the phosphor colour luminescence and the analogue decay of the tube excitement. Nothing comes close.

@mhenrique4860

2 жыл бұрын

agree, even 120hz oled is not as good as crt...

Last year I rented a truck, grabbed all my stuff from a storage facility in San Diego I had been renting since 2010, and hauled it cross country to the East Coast. Among the items in that storage was my old Sony GDM-F520 21" CRT monitor. I hadn't seen it in years and to be honest I'd pretty much forgot about it. After unloading everything and stacking most of it in a corner in the garage, I hauled the hefty beast down to my office in the basement and hooked it up to my 1070 ti equipped rig. I did a quick eyeball calibration and loaded up a game of Apex Legends. After some graphics adjustments to the appropriate resolution, and refresh rate, I was immediately blown away by the crispness, brightness and lack of motion blur! It really was a better overall gaming experience. I had just about sworn off online shooters or the PVP portion of games the last few years because my aging bones don't have the reflexes to compete with the younger whippersnappers. The first game I played with the CRT and I had one of my best games ever. Watched a movie on it after that and the movie even looked a lot better as far as color and black levels. I was not able to display the streamed movie in true HD due to the monitor not having a digital input. But it still looked good including the fast moving scenes. I suppose it doesn't help my case that I was using an older 1440p 60hz LCD before switching to the CRT. My 32" 1440p 144hz monitor will be delivered today, so I'll be able to compare it to a higher refresh rate LCD later tonight, but I have my doubts the LCD will be on the same level. TLDR- The old CRT's are indeed a better overall visual experience and may just improve your game skill slightly.

Finally someone saying how good crt's are, hoping for a miracle and who knows, maybe DF will help push the crt technology, if we could make crt's much smaller in footprint that would be a game changer completely.

@khhnator

4 жыл бұрын

in fact just slightly before LCDs took over there was this small size CRTs tvs thing going on, where you would have a CRT that was something like 1/3 of the size and weight that you expect from a crt, but they didn't last long, i bet most people haven't even seen one

@theprocrastinator6813

4 жыл бұрын

Thats why N64 , ps4 , dreamcast games look incredible during the time it was used on these tvs

@Andyw1228

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think that it is possible for an analog Device to display 1080p or even 1440p @ 100 or 120Hz. Does such digital analog converter exists?

@inthefade

4 жыл бұрын

SED or FED screens were being developed in the 00s that might have done this.

@NoktV2

4 жыл бұрын

A standard CRT that you would use for say home use wouldn't look anywhere near as good as the FW900. You're comparing a standard low resolution CRT vs a professional grade monitor that retailed for $2000 on release. Its one of the very few that actually supports higher resolutions and higher refresh rates.

THIS is the direction gaming monitors should go. Bring back CRTs!

@Stratelier

4 жыл бұрын

If they can just solve the issues of CRTs' large depth/weight, power consumption, and burn-in over time ... the benefit of CRT is the ANALOG nature of the scan guns, making EVERY resolution look native on the screen (up to how fine the screen's RGB mesh is, width and of the scan beam and how finely it can control intensity).

@3dmaster205

4 жыл бұрын

How about instead of going back, we go forward to a brand new display technology that gives us the benefits of LCDs, and the few tiny benefits of the CRTs instead?

@MattyS54

4 жыл бұрын

@@3dmaster205 SED TV was the one, someone could bring back one of these cancelled techs which would have been the best of all worlds.

@trifecta9810

4 жыл бұрын

@@MattyS54 Yes, SED monitors!!!

@magyararon6918

2 жыл бұрын

@@3dmaster205 "the few tiny benefits of the CRTs" Lol, you mean being better in almost every image quality aspect?

This feels like the weirdest, most nerdy, hipster flex I can imagine. I both approve and cry at the same time. Keep up the good work!

Whenever I got my first flat screen the first thing I said was I thought high definition was supposed to look better. Seeing every single show you watched all pixelated for the first time like Futurama just jagged lines everywhere like the hell?

So let me get this straight: 1. Looks great at all resolutions 2. high refresh rate 3. No input lag How's color reproduction?

@TUNDRA2529

4 жыл бұрын

Color reproduction is great. Cons are: Availability (New doesn't exist, so more its about getting lucky), size, power, heat, Sharpness (Softer edges), Picture distortions (can be calibrated), burn in, and picture degradation with time. Honestly, they are pretty great, but nothing an OLED can't do. If you find one for used, it would be a cool tv, but the main problem is it will most likely be extremely dim do to the age. OLED has better picture, sharpness, contrast, brightness

@rich1051414

4 жыл бұрын

@@TUNDRA2529 OLED doesn't age well. It has quick pixel degradation. Just saying.

@TUNDRA2529

4 жыл бұрын

@@rich1051414 so does CRTs. We're comparing CRTs to OLEDs.

@rich1051414

4 жыл бұрын

@@TUNDRA2529 Some CRT's, not all, but it is true, a lot of CRT's, especially cheap ones, had substandard phosphors and degraded quick. As far as LCD monitors go, their color temperature goes blue as the phosphors age, as well as dim as the back-light fades. ALL CRT's do age though, but not quite as fast as OLED. I am disappointed my OLED TV is already showing burned in images and contrast is washing out, it's only a couple years old and it wasn't cheap at all.

@rich1051414

4 жыл бұрын

@Damian Chiliński That is correct. LED's use blue light that is colored with phosphor gel, and these shift to blue as they age. LCD monitors stopped using CCFL quite a while ago. I do have one that uses it, and it has gone warm colored from age.