I feel like the tool company's gain just as much from you guys now as we all do. And I really appreciate honest, unbiased testing.

@ericg4915

Жыл бұрын

Obviously it's good for dewalt because they have the best battery line but it's not good for the sub par companies cause they get exposed

@n.b.p.davenport7066

7 ай бұрын

You can jump start a car or one of those batteries

@gbeving3167

5 ай бұрын

​@@n.b.p.davenport7066 works best with the xr series btw

@Miked1332

4 ай бұрын

I will agree that DeWalt has the best batteries, but I wish they made all the battery cases the same as the PowerStack with the rubber base. Makes it feel a lot nicer and protects it a lot better. I also wish DeWalt wasn't so greedy when they launch new batteries. When the 1.7ah PowerStack battery came out, they wanted $170 bucks for it!? Then the 5ah came out at $250? They are crazy! Now though, the price is reasonable, especially on Amazon. I got a 5ah, 1.7ah and the new 4amp charger for $120. That's more like it.

I love this channel…the people’s channel

@TorqueTestChannel

Жыл бұрын

I think that the people who accept promo kits do relevant testing too, but they seem to gloss over the fact it costs as much as a damn M18 HD12.0! My wallet finds that relevant

@djosbun

Жыл бұрын

Judge Wapner would be proud of them!

@Highstranger951

Жыл бұрын

And project farm

@ajl278

Жыл бұрын

@@TorqueTestChannel Do you know if all dewalt 9ah flex volt come with the Samsung batteries?

A while back I commented on the fact that Stanley B&D and others were really not into the tool selling business but rather, they were in the battery selling business. This video proves my point.

@TorqueTestChannel

Жыл бұрын

DeWALT is the brand we have the most different batteries under, and yet is also the brand we get the most comments about batteries we still should have used or bought. It boggles the mind

@tomcardale5596

Жыл бұрын

DeWalt is the only battery brand I've had failures with, and multiple ones at that. I'm still using 2007 era Bosch batteries on a regular basis and they still provide useful work.

@jaywelker5566

Жыл бұрын

you can't advance the sale of your tools without improvements to the batteries. I don't think there was much of a point to be had in any case, these companies want to make $$ and to sell batteries you need to make your tools look impressive....via their power source.

@ericg4915

Жыл бұрын

Yea but look at the numbers that dcf900 puts up, I would say that's the tool of all tools

@corin164

Жыл бұрын

@@jaywelker5566 I stand by my comment. Pretty soon, the use of Stanley B&D products are going to require a subscription, mark my words.

My two best youtube channels! You guys are the consumer report of the KZread world. Torque Test Channel and Project Farm🙌❤. Keep up the good work.

Great job fellas You guys are putting in the work. I hope your channel continues to grow a bunch.

I’ve sworn by the 6AH XR for close to five years now. I have an assortment of different DeWalt batteries, just got a two pack of the 1.7AH Powerstacks this week, but time and time again I find my tools hooked up to the 6AH XR. The length of time the battery lasts under use paired with a modest weight really keeps me coming back.

@jonsaircond8520

Жыл бұрын

I love the 6ah battery also for the higher load tools. I have a 8ah and it only really gets used if the 6 is down or I need 2 tools during the same job

@IslamsBomb

Жыл бұрын

in my country 6.0Ah and 5.0Ah PS costs 135$ but 9.0Ah is 20$ more expensive (155$) than both of them, so should I get 9.0 or 6.0? will 5.0 last longer cause its new type of battery? Im leaning towards 9.0 cause its seems to be most powerful even than 15.0Ah

@namuhtsuj4025

Жыл бұрын

@@IslamsBomb 9.0Ah are heavier than the 6.0Ah XR. Noticeably heavier. I don’t mind using 9.0Ah on tools that require a lot of power pull like a circular saw. If you plan on using it for a screw gun/drill, I’d go with the 6.0Ah. Really depends on what kind of tool you plan on using it with.

My biggest take-away from this video is that my next battery purchase should be a 9Ah FlexVolt. I currently only have one 9Ah FlexVolt to run my 60V tool, and sometimes it runs out of juice before I finish a job. I was debating getting a 6Ah as a backup to the 9Ah, but it looks like it's a far better call to get a second 9Ah. As for the 5Ah PowerStack, I simply see no compelling reason to buy it based on this video.

@nafnaf0

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I agree. Def not a big upgrade and the cheapest I can find it is $322 for a 2 pack. I got my 2 6ah 20Vs for $160 a few years ago.

Got to love DeWalt for pushing the boundaries on both tool performance and batteries. You got to know that this makes other companies take notice and will have to step up their game if they want to remain competitive. In the end, the consumer benefits by having better performing tools to pick from. Keep up the GREAT WORK, I believe your videos make a difference forcing the tool companies take notice of where their offering stack up in your tests....

@superslash7254

Жыл бұрын

They're not though, just look up "Dewalt battery wont charge". They have a catastrophic quality control problem with their batteries and they refuse to even RMA most of them.

@samkirk3662

Жыл бұрын

You can say this for any tool.

Another great test! My favorite battery packs are based on 21700 cells, since they are better than 18650 cells in every way. And the cells often are replaceable, making the battery easy to repair. Pouch cells tend to be much harder to replace. For future test the inclusion of model number for the cells that each brand uses for different batteries would be nice

@SomeGuysGarage

Жыл бұрын

I don't like the size of the 21700 cell packs though, they're just bulky dimensionally with that extra width and length.

@TheJensss

Жыл бұрын

@@SomeGuysGarage I think this varies a bit between manufacturers. My 4ah 21700 batteries from Bosch are way smaller than the 4-6ah 18650 battery and delivers way more amps. The 5.5ah 21700 is the same size as the 4-6ah 18650 but delivers wayyy more amps. The nice thing is that everyone can buy the tools that work for them :) I see the benefits of pouch cells, but I don't like that they are really hard to repair

@masonkaye5

Жыл бұрын

But pouch cells are generally more reliable and because the tabs are soldiered on instead of spot welded on the chance of losing contact is much lower

@SomeGuysGarage

Жыл бұрын

@@TheJensss specifically with Dewalt...I actually prefer the size of the 5ah 18650 battery over say the newer 3ah or 4ah 21700 batteries.

@TheJensss

Жыл бұрын

@@masonkaye5 That is true. Pouch cells should also last longer since the cells are rated for more charge cycles. If for some reason a cell should stop working, replacing a pouch cell is almost impossible since the pack is glued. The 21700 cells are easy to swap out.

Just the info I was looking for. Thanks!

I like how the 6AH 20v performs. I would love to see some testing with the 8AH and 10AH 20v as well. I have used all three of these on impacts and it seems like the 8AH and 10AH can out perform the 6AH. Great videos! Thanks again!

Was really looking forward to this one :) thanks TTC!

Oh, man, I was about to request this exact video. Glad you guys were a step ahead of me.

I've fallen in love with this channel. It shuts sooooo many dudes in the shop right up

Excellent content. For me if you want small grab the 1.7 and large just grab the XR 6.0 as for now there is no way the price justifies the 5.0 stack battery and the size that it is.

@brianingham3780

Жыл бұрын

I run the 1.7 on my compact tools and the 9ah flex on my 899 and flexvolt tools

@bigboxes

Жыл бұрын

@@brianingham3780 I have the 899. Does the 9ah Flex make a difference? I don't want a huge battery unless I need it. I've been thinking getting some Flex. I got this Flex Advantage reciprocating saw and I'm probably going to get some Flex batteries in the future.

@jesusisalive3227

Жыл бұрын

If it lasts twice as long and handles load spikes better then it will be very popular among contractors.

@starseeddeluxe

6 ай бұрын

If it really lasts twice as many charge cycles, then it's a screaming bargain, if you can find the PS on sale. But the problem is, how can anyone verify the claims? Some batteries that make big claims end up dying after a few months, there's just no way to know how long the Power Stack batteries will last in real world charging conditions?

@GAROmx

Ай бұрын

They have a two pack of 5 AH power stacks for $229 at Lowe’s right now

Wow,The most informative video in the history of this channel!...This one will be king of views in no time,fantastic job TTC!

Not to many other channels put in the work that this channel does!!!!!!

Thank you I've been waiting for this one!!

Alright, post viewing takeaways... When I chose the 5PS, I was deciding between it and the 6XR and these results show that I was making the right comparison. That's good news. Because of the reasonable size, I can (and have) replace all of my smaller batteries for my smaller tools with them. But because of the performance, I can feel confident running it in my bigger tools as well although, I am going to keep my 8XR and 10XRs handy for their extended run time over this one. NICE! This is the comparison I was looking for, for a week and taking the leap without seeing it. Like I said, most people saw the number '5" and wanted to compare it to the 5XR and it just kept winning because that is not the right battery for comparison purposes. Now, that ad you showed on Amazon for the 6XR for 91 bones...that guy is still running that ad here in the future. He's at $84 now. And for that price, I was tempted to go with the 6 and just buy four from him. BUT...I am a little gun shy. I got burned recently on ebay, and ended up with two counterfeit 5XRs. So I dug deeper there. Amazon is an authorized DeWalt seller, but everyone who sells on Amazon is not Amazon. That guy is not Amazon. So I jumped in the questions section and asked the direct question. He answered that he is not a DeWalt authorized dealer. Understand, that does NOT mean he is selling fake batteries. His batteries may be right as rain. It just means you do not have the guarantee. Whether you should take the chance or not is up to you, but you should absolutely have this information going in. You can buy a 2 pack of 5XRs directly from Amazon, without that risk. Those go for 196 so...about $14 more per battery. On the flip side, I paid 300 per two pack at Lowes for the 5 PS. Yes, I could have found a better price, but Lowes has a program where they let you pay for your stuff over 90 days (as them about Progressive Leasing), and it doesn't cost much (unless you go over 90 days...on day 91 they ream you, so be careful there). 200 per month for 3 months (I bought two 2 packs) was just easier for me to handle right now, so I did it that way. There...now we all have the benefit of each other's experience, and everyone else has all of the information they could possibly need to make good decisions.

The PowerStack 5.0ah is bigger than expected. I ordered one from Hm. Dep. & returned it, as the slight increase in power was 'outweighed' by its & cost...

Just like you I assumed they would be smaller. Lipo are awesome but have one huge drawback; they hate being stored at full charge (4.0-4.2V per cell). They however will have 10x lifespan if stored at 3/4 charge/3.8V per cell. A lot of high end electronics will self discharge a battery pack after 24-48 hours to this voltage to preserve the pack overall life. Curious what the initial pack voltage is? And if it self discharges?

@tannergriffin9130

Жыл бұрын

The pouch cells used here are still Lithium Ion and not Lithium Polymer. Essentially, the chemistry is similar to that of the 18650 and 21700 cells previously used in battery packs just with a new packaging.

@eatinMcdonaldsfryz

Жыл бұрын

They arent LiPos.

You should test Ryobi's 18 volt cutoff tool as a part two of this test. Also, I would like to add that some tools may have constant velocity compensation that can make the RPM stay constant within the load range rating of the tool. What constant velocity compensation (also known as IR compensation) does is try to keep the motor running at the same RPM under various load conditions. So say for example you have a DC motor that needed to turn at 500 RPM and you needed 12 volts to do that, but it keeps slowing down as you apply more load. Well the way around that is using a controller with velocity feedback by either a sensor or indirect measure of the armature voltage and higher voltage applied to the controller. The controller will increase the voltage as soon as the RPM drops keeping the RPM at a dead steady 500 within limits of course until either current limit is reached or run out of voltage or over heat protection kicks in.

Wow that's interesting, I got one yesterday for around US$140. Nice to see we got a better deal here for a change.

I don't even have dewalt battery tools but I still turned this video on in order to watch something about this ps batteries. There are getting more and more different batteries on the market:) thanks for showing killograms, pounds and drives me crazy

Great tests. You can get the 15.0 right now for $250 so $235 for the 5.0 PS is ridiculous.

DeWalt is really stepping it up. Nice testing!

These PowerStack batteries are awesome. I absolutely love them because they do give a LOT more power than the standard XR batteries. I had an 8ah battery on my 7-1/4" miter saw and swapped it for the 5ah PowerStack and my god! It chews through boards like butter. With the 8ah, it liked to bog down and then kick really bad, so I had to run the saw really slowly so it didn't kick or bog down. I thought it was just underpowered and turns out that it was. That 5ah PowerStack is a beast!

I noticed an increase in power on my 1/2" impact a few years ago when I bought the 6ah battery. It was a nice bonus

Wow! This new 5Ah Powerstack really kills it here! _looks at price_ ...But what's another 1/2 pound on top of an 8 pound tool, anyways?

That is really interesting that you can see that battery's power curve in the torque curve.

"It handles like a trailer with a blown tire"--best line ever on TT Channel!

Great video as always! When I can get my hands on the new powerstack I would like to see how it is for power and run time the brushless angle grinder.

Wow impressive that the 5ah PowerStack was a few foot pounds lower then the 15ah that I wasn't expecting @Torque Test Channel

Great information!

Great stuff as usual! Makes me wonder if this Powerstack could make the 20v Flexvolt advantage circular saw perform on the same level as the 60v saw.

I have four 8ah bats.Wish I knew you needed one for this test.

I can’t even afford the normal batteries

I knew as soon as the first one came out a year ago, there must be a bigger one coming. So like you said, this time next year, we'll probably get the big boy!

Good work guys. Will have to pick one up once the price goes down.

I love your videos and the data you output. What about using sand instead of water for volume measurements? A bit of shop air and its all cleaned up!

Great video. I’m not a Dewalt guy but interesting technology that I can see all the brands using. Thanks.

@rpavlik1

Жыл бұрын

Maybe in 20 years... Thanks, patents.

Interesting and love the test and the visual charts a really good comparison but I won’t be running out and replacing my 5 and 9 ah batteries just yet

I really like the PS batteries, especially the relatively tiny 1.7, but the size of the 5 is very helpful when I set down some tools in the upright (standing) position.

Wow! I don't know how you do it, but you guys keep bringing awesome content to this channel. Thank you! Where's your tip jar like PF has?

@TorqueTestChannel

Жыл бұрын

No tip jar, no Patreon, sorry

@gts5930

Жыл бұрын

@@TorqueTestChannel Freakin love you guys!

9 FlexVolt is an absolute beast love using it on my 60v sawzall

I stopped watching my morning motivational video for this as soon as I got the notification. Worth it. 😆

So my 6 ah’s is still the way to go!!!! Thank you for the data

I love my 1.7 PS batteries but like you said the 6AH is the sweet spot. Can’t say I’m sold on the 5 PS just yet. Maybe if price wiggles and I can get them for around 125-150/ piece

Fantastic work.

This is completely irrelevant to the video but. My boss just bought the mikwaukee 1 inch D handle extended version! He bought it to take off the tires of our big rig international. I got to use it to take one of the tires off. That thing is awesome!

Very impressive video. Subscribed

just about to start investing in some dewalt stuff, i feel the 6ah XR and the 9ah flex volt are the two stand outs, also the 1.7 power surge for small stuff, everything else seems to be a bit to in-between or limited.

Wow at how massive the 5ah PowerStack is vs the 1.7ah PowerStack interesting @Torque Test Channel

Im choosing Metabo 18v grinder on 9Ah FlexVolt with adapter (or 9Ah Makita, same and cheapo, but no FV in future, with SONY VTC6 or LG HG2 both have their yay and nahs). This was a good time with Your channel I wish I could like twice. Heck, Ill find random vid on Your channel and like it just because I can and You deserve to be mainstream. It was great friendship for me, Ill flashback You with Respect. Much Many Thanx, Mister. Thats what Internets are made for.

The nice thing about 18650 and other cylindrical cell batteries is that they can be rebuilt and repaired with commodity cells. I'm guessing that won't be the case with the pouches

@crherniman

Жыл бұрын

Know anyone that can repair 6.0ah Flexvolt batteries? I have no idea why but they seem to fail more than any other dewalt battery I own.

Yup I agree these batteries are a beast i heave 2 of these and 2 of the 1.7

I'd really like to see overtime how these batteries age. More so whenever it's between a standard charger vs. 'super/ultra' charger. Because up to this point smartphones have been the barometer of gauging that sort of topic. & they've been the first & most refined, yet still are at the mercy of chemistry. Except power tools draw more power & on average even more extreme demands, thus- how would it effectively (let's see some tests.. /wink /knudge) over time taking those additional things into consideration. Overall though, it's awesome to see (ignoring the price). The weight reduction alone makes a huge difference when you don't feel like your wrist is sore as hell just from carrying a battery that may as well be a small dumbbell + vibrations during whatever project/job lol

I'd like to se similar test with the Flex tool line - they also have standard and stacked Lithium versions.

Thanks for your videos! Hyper Tough has a new brushless impact driver clone of the M12 that they sell at Walmart, can you test vs the Milwaukee.

do a run time test you ll be blown away I saw like double the screws on one battery compared to a regular new 5ah

I LOVE your channel, buy jeesus, you guys are confoosing... Spend a good bit more time on helping me figure out wtf you're talking about..

It would be interesting to see how much age of the battery affects the test results. Would you get the same results after the battery is a few years old?

Thanks for the info 🇯🇲👍

You guys should test kobalt tools with the 8ah xr battery

I'm curious to see if the Milwaukee cutoff gun has more power than the new Milwaukee m12 belt sander! As you may know folks are making there own m12 belt sander with cheap harbor freight air belt sander parts and mounting said parts on the cutoff gun. P.s love the content. Keep up the great work!

Have you considered a food vacuum sealer for your volume tests? It won't be perfect, but it might be better than you current methods. The food grade plastic is thicker than a grocery bag, but it doesn't bridge voids _too_ badly in my experience. Just a thought. Keep up the good work.

@sage5296

Жыл бұрын

I think bridging the voids is somewhat the point, as having random cavities in the tool profile don’t really help you get into tighter spaces any better

Would love if you did this for the flex batteries and flex tools

Could you answer or do a video to see if any user input can affect the power curve? Such as twisting your wrist or holding it really tight, pushing towards the bolt really hard etc?

I'm waiting for the flexvolt powerstack

I bought 2 of these batteries. They are great batteries.

RIght now, it's 1/4 smaller and lighter, but 1.5-2x the price in singles. The DCBP520-2 ($349) vs the DCB206-2 ($269)....I'll stick with the 6ah packs for now I guess. That extra $80 (on 12/7/22) is noticeable.

Wow the UK version DCBP518-XJ which has been available for a while now is currently around £120-£130 inc VAT, think I might pick one up before they hike the price.

Been waiting for the power stack to come out, just waiting for it to come to my city

Bro you been putting out a video a day seems like 😂 it’s awesome. Have a great week. Thanks for all the info and entertainment!

Would LOVE to see this for Makita XGT batteries.

Man, I was really looking for something that was the epitome of consistency.

While I only own a few Dewalt tools I do like that there are options to batteries. the only major Dewalt tool I own is the Multi-tool (Oscillating-tool). Smaller batteries (2Ah) are better for cutting up on a ladder, but cutting on the ground a lagger battery is ok. If the new PS batteries get smaller with more beans then that might be an option worth paying for?

It's not epitome, it's epitome. Clears it right up, right? 🌻

235 Dollars is a LOT of money is this price range of tool when most people can get by with a Ryobi and 100 dollar two pack of 4amp batteries

Tool companies are taking customers for a ride. Those batteries in a different case for hobby use would be 1/10 the price.

Nice. Maybe I need to make an adaptor and run my 18v snapon ct9075 with one ?

I would really like to see the 8Ah XR battery. I backpack with their newish little adapter to get you USB-C PD, because that can charge literally anything I carry, and I have so many Dewalt batteries to choose from, depending on how long I am out. In testing to see which battery delivers the most watt hours per gram, I found that my 8Ah XR is literally just 1g heavier than my 6Ah XR (which is one of your favorite Dewalt batteries). Back when the Power Detect stuff launched, I remember reading that the 8Ah was supposed to be able to deliver a decent power uplift over the 6. But who knows if that's actually true. For me, it does mean that the 8Ah is by far the most watt hours per g out of my battery collection (1.7Ah Powerstack, 2Ah, 5Ah old style, 5Ah Powerstack, 6Ah XR, 6Ah Flexvolt, 8Ah XR, and 9Ah Flexvolt). The Flexies are on the opposite end of the watt hours per g scale, they must use heavier plastic in their cases or something.

i wonder how many batteries are put together well enough to max the tool they're going onto or even if later newer battery construction could do better.

Excited to see this but I can't understand why they didn't shift the bulk backwards.

@TorqueTestChannel

Жыл бұрын

Tools stand up easier

@denoftools

Жыл бұрын

@@TorqueTestChannel Can it not stand up on the 5ah?

@TorqueTestChannel

Жыл бұрын

Depends on the tool. A high torque is iffy

Can you do a test of different Socket Hex Keys? (The sockets you use for Socket Head Cap Screws)

Did they put a capacitor bank in the flat pack? That's a very interesting voltage curve. I want to see what's inside.

Sounds like the 6Ah's are beasts and if you get two for the price of one 5Ah PS, they're worth it!!

Not that you didn't do a good job of sealing the batteries for the displacement test, but there are several dielectric fluids out there that are non conductive. Don't know if you've already looked into these(or even just distilled water) but just a suggestion!

I love this channel but I can't find out what's in the flexvolt 12ah. If the 9ah (my favorite battery) has Samsung 30t's what's in the 12ah??

Im not suprised by size. Flex stack lithium 6 and 10ah are pretty big. Also i feel like not a lot of ppl realize that the 5ah is basically 3 times the capacity of the OG power. 1.7 x 3= 5.1. Is it triple the size or only double or in between?

What about a video comparing older battery tech like nimh and nicd with lithium. And touching on how they were used. 👍

Damn that was quick

hi for my jobs 5ah XR still is the ideal choice ,price is a big influence .

So what main brand battery system is bang for buck needing a recip or sawzall pistol shape saw for stump removal work. Garden tools useful to have available as well as stihl 36v

I get the feeling the Powerstack battery is just a market test for something bigger in the future. I just wish the Powerstacks fitted in the Flex volt range of tools

How does the 8AH battery fit in on the voltage sag chart??

Why only Dewalt Powerstacked?.. Try FLEX stacked lithium batteries...🤔 They DID invent the technology...I would think their's are better... but you never know...

@TorqueTestChannel

Жыл бұрын

When we have more rigs to test Flex tools we will. For now we dont have a lot of much amp draw Flex tools to test.

I was hoping he would do a displacement test on the compact 3ah battery so that I could see a volumetric comparison of the old generation 18650 based batteries with the newer 21700 counterparts.

Circa 10AH powerstack flexvolt battery next, coupled with a flexvolt 3/4" impact wrench? I have zero use for it but it would be so cool to see.

Kobalt Ultimate Output 24-Volt 8 Amp-Hour been on sale for $99 or $40 off at Lowe's. One of the main reasons I've been buying more Kobalt tools. Economy is a factor these days for some of us.

@ericnichols9275

Жыл бұрын

Or your like me and buy Adapter for your RIDGID and MILWAUKEE power tools and run a KoBalt battery and gain lots of Power Cheap