Deus Ex: Mankind Divided - Do Both The Heist AND Allison Stanek

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Start "Confronting the Bomb-maker", follow this video (make sure not to trigger any Alex dialogue other than the first, otherwise The Heist will autofail). Once you finish the mission you can walk around the complex at will and then go do The Heist.
(Don't do the calibrator mission until after you do the Heist after this, otherwise you might soft-lock your game since it triggers twice)
Note: Since you can only do The Heist after, Miller will treat you as if you only did that one.

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  • @neonace3885
    @neonace38853 жыл бұрын

    Imagine this is timed instead so if you were fast enough you could do both.

  • @maualvarez4322

    @maualvarez4322

    Жыл бұрын

    That would be gret. Cause if you have enough skill in the game, you could do both missions. Just like the final desition with the rich people and the bombs

  • @autotec-20

    @autotec-20

    Жыл бұрын

    Spokes in Two Wheels but midgame. What would that achievement even be called?

  • @VeganCossack

    @VeganCossack

    9 ай бұрын

    It could be nice but still the way the authors intended adds to replayability and realism, and to a gloomy cyberpunk feel, when there's rarely a good outcome for everybody, no matter how hard you try. It's a common theme in DX, Adam also has to make another similar choice - who gets the documents, and the idea is that you can't help everyone.

  • @wesleyharris5917

    @wesleyharris5917

    6 ай бұрын

    @@autotec-20 Prolly something like "Assorted weapons of MASS destruction". Cuz your taking care of bombs and bioweapons at the same time.

  • @kylesweeney1550
    @kylesweeney15506 жыл бұрын

    Adam Jensen. A man so edgy that even his trench coat rolls it sleeves to avoid being cut by him.

  • @ryrd

    @ryrd

    Ай бұрын

    His trench coat is augmented

  • @thedreamcapture2681

    @thedreamcapture2681

    5 күн бұрын

    @@ryrd cost about 2 grand.

  • @xWRIOTx
    @xWRIOTx2 жыл бұрын

    I did this on the PS5. It still causes the bank to fail. However, if you are trying to get the god killer achievement. Just have 1 save file *BEFORE* you chose to save the daughter or the bank heist. The 2nd save file is following this video to save the daughter. After you complete saving her, you get the achievement. Load the 1st save to chose to save the daughter or the bank. Chose the bank this time. Good luck everyone!

  • @juneyer2373

    @juneyer2373

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks bro that exactly what I’m doing now, funny as hell were all still making these gut wrenching decisions on this game in 2022.

  • @darkangellew

    @darkangellew

    Жыл бұрын

    @@juneyer2373 mate im having another play though as we speak lol forgot I even had it when looking through my ps4 games, yes I unfortunately haven't been able to get my hands on a ps5 yet (crying) haha

  • @jamesp1830
    @jamesp18307 жыл бұрын

    been waiting for this. loveya man. great help

  • @lazyblueguy
    @lazyblueguy7 жыл бұрын

    It really annoys me that they patched this out.

  • @anothercath

    @anothercath

    4 жыл бұрын

    T_T I've been trying to achieve this for an hour wondering why I didn't succeed.

  • @TheNerdguy57

    @TheNerdguy57

    3 жыл бұрын

    Brain Scoop It worked for me the other day on Xbox One

  • @TheSmashua

    @TheSmashua

    3 жыл бұрын

    I just finished it on PS4. I had to dash a couple times when he was able to just jump, and I had a couple other minor issues, but I made it to the end, only triggered Alex's first convo, and completed it, and the moment I did it auto failed the heist. Glad I had a backup, cuz I want that fuckin vault lol

  • @shawn576

    @shawn576

    3 жыл бұрын

    Why would it matter? You can still access the bank private vaults through the parkade without doing the mission.

  • @paul1983

    @paul1983

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@shawn576 Wouldn't the fault be empty by that time I wonder?

  • @EAUZEAFFE
    @EAUZEAFFE Жыл бұрын

    I did it. (03/05/2023) As @Darentius322 recall, you must access the subway station thru the hole next to Radich’s office inside the deepest level of the Dvali Theater. This way, Alex’s dialogues will not be triggered and you can follow the walkthrough as OP suggest. It is important to fall between the room and outside the map as OP did, otherwise, Alex will call you and bye bye bank heist.

  • @jonah.pimentel5647

    @jonah.pimentel5647

    Жыл бұрын

    Bro your a life saver! Worked like a charm!

  • @farfanSK8

    @farfanSK8

    11 ай бұрын

    i did it... still works (31/07/2023)

  • @thatFellowTraveler

    @thatFellowTraveler

    10 ай бұрын

    The process worked for me up to getting the defuser. I have the mission to head to GARM but don't have the defuser. I've wrapped up the bank heist but that mission is also not progressing. I'm guessing my mistake was in not convincing her enough in the Cassie converation.

  • @krjhwt
    @krjhwt7 жыл бұрын

    After speaking to (Hugh) Janus, don't enter a train station through the stairs, enter through the bottom of the theatre in dvali territory, that way the Alex dialog doesn't trigger at all and she doesn't call you about the bank, you can do both that way without the tricky jumping, after getting the signal jammer just go through one of the top three train stations and Alex will call you and tell you about the bank mission

  • @JPPPPotTs

    @JPPPPotTs

    7 жыл бұрын

    I did try it but it doesn't work anymore when you walk to the door alex trigger

  • @krjhwt

    @krjhwt

    7 жыл бұрын

    you have to open the door as far away as possible or you'll trigger it, I tested it and it still works

  • @JPPPPotTs

    @JPPPPotTs

    7 жыл бұрын

    Try it right now found a way to back of train station without going up and open the door as far as i can i even shoot the door with the gun and destroy it many times try it and didn't really work the alex trigger is on train station exactly where you pick travel area opening doors doesn't affect it. May can you provide a video or a screen shot / gif for prof or you just trolling

  • @fubargaming4140

    @fubargaming4140

    7 жыл бұрын

    You are obviously doing it wrong then, ill make a video and then post it

  • @JPPPPotTs

    @JPPPPotTs

    7 жыл бұрын

    Yea maybe or your game is outdated I did exactly what you told open the door at the back of train station as far right? i did that couple of times even I shoot it with my guns from far away but still when i walk on the travel pick section alex trigger yea I'm agree better to have video of it to confirm :)

  • @JGD_CZE
    @JGD_CZE4 жыл бұрын

    THIS CAN STILL BE DONE ON RECENT VERSION. You just need not to trigger conversation about choosing which mission you want to do when you enter metro. This can be done by using shaft in Radich Nikolatze office in Theater (open door by hacking Radiches computer after you dispose of him. Then do the bomb maker and go straight to the metro and to palisade and everything should go alright.

  • @daddyboy9085

    @daddyboy9085

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wow seriously thanks hopefully it works

  • @anothercath

    @anothercath

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@daddyboy9085 Does it work?

  • @zeveron862

    @zeveron862

    4 жыл бұрын

    Can confirm in 2020 on xbox one it works, thanks for the tip.

  • @tigermaximus8003

    @tigermaximus8003

    3 жыл бұрын

    how maan? how did you do it?

  • @AeonAxisProductions

    @AeonAxisProductions

    7 ай бұрын

    Currently trying this now on pc, heading to palisade now, I'll let you know if it works lol

  • @eagleone0one
    @eagleone0one6 жыл бұрын

    Wow. Very deep and interesting sidequest.

  • @Zhello79

    @Zhello79

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, had me feeling sorry for her and her dad.

  • @X3V1OUS
    @X3V1OUS7 жыл бұрын

    nicely done EDIT: Just did this on PC, it works as well.

  • @XSilver_WaterX
    @XSilver_WaterX2 жыл бұрын

    One of the hardest quests to do a ninja run in the game and doing both with this glitch is a godsend. Plus, in almost meta-lore the Illuminati KNEW you could do either/ or and plays with your characters morale.

  • @PopeSalty1
    @PopeSalty17 жыл бұрын

    This was perfect. Tricky, but perfect. Thanks for the help, mate...

  • @tigermaximus8003

    @tigermaximus8003

    3 жыл бұрын

    duuu?? this is impossible!! how can i do this? ive try to go inside by pressing the button!! but i keep falling!

  • @lgzn
    @lgzn7 жыл бұрын

    You can still do this on PC (Steam Version). All you have to do is manually put your game in the version state prior to the patch. Right click on the game, then beta, then version v10 Build 524.6. Load your game file and do everything the video tell you to do. Then head up to the Palisades, get the Orchid vaccine and meet Miller at the helipad. After the conversation, save your game and update your game again in the Steam Library. You should be fine from now on :D

  • @CaveManSavage

    @CaveManSavage

    6 жыл бұрын

    how about get not so shitty internet

  • @thecoldwar205

    @thecoldwar205

    6 жыл бұрын

    lgzn can you do it on ps4 now?

  • @PsychoNeko011

    @PsychoNeko011

    5 жыл бұрын

    ummm what

  • @PsychoNeko011

    @PsychoNeko011

    5 жыл бұрын

    oh come on! i just read this comment after doing all this and pauseing at the end cutsecne to see what was left, an di scroll down to find this and finish the cutscene to get the dialog god damnit XD

  • @drgrant

    @drgrant

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's worse than this- when you downgrade the game the save files get corrupted... (beta version won't load new saves). so essentially the only way to make this work is if you started playing the game using the beta mode, and then worked it through this part, then updated afterwards...

  • @Dustin.HealthVlog
    @Dustin.HealthVlog2 жыл бұрын

    Attempted recently on Mac OS. Can still get to Allison Stanek but after the dialogue Alex calls immediately to inform that VersaLife has left. He uses Icarus Dash at the first drop to lock into the wall/floor. Use again on the wall in the room to get in.

  • @thedarkfuture01101

    @thedarkfuture01101

    Жыл бұрын

    would you please explain more? because i'm experiencing the exact same thing :(

  • @georgishinev3573
    @georgishinev3573 Жыл бұрын

    I played both missions yesterday /19.02.2023/ after watching this walkthrough. It works on PC version of "Mankind Divided". Thank you very much

  • @ianbeeman6234
    @ianbeeman62346 жыл бұрын

    Don't need Icaraus dash to do it. Use the garbage bin and steel bin stack them at the highest building point jump off to glitched area. Takes some effort and patience though

  • @capitanspoiler7393
    @capitanspoiler73933 жыл бұрын

    sadly, this isn't possible anymore. even if you managed to avoid the trigger at the door another trigger pops up after you get the signal jammer

  • @SDC3
    @SDC37 жыл бұрын

    Looks like this has been patched out as of Sept 2016. Tried this on the 18th. The out of bounds still works, but completing the mission autoprompts Alex's call auto failing The Heist.

  • @iMeshUx100

    @iMeshUx100

    7 жыл бұрын

    yup, sad days :(

  • @justatiger6268

    @justatiger6268

    7 жыл бұрын

    Same here. I really hate games like this.

  • @cr4yv3n

    @cr4yv3n

    7 жыл бұрын

    why? Choice and consequence. Best is when the game autosaves immediately after a choice. No more "load and try again" bs. Learn to LIVE with your choices.

  • @HighBrowComedy

    @HighBrowComedy

    7 жыл бұрын

    It's funny that they picked patching the dialogue prompt over patching the whole "clip out of bounds" thing

  • @scattysafari7742

    @scattysafari7742

    7 жыл бұрын

    That's a shame. There should be an achievement for saving Allison AND doing the heist,similar to the achievement where you can save Jim, the delegates and stop Marchenko setting off the bombs.

  • @frankfinkel6992
    @frankfinkel69927 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, doesn't work anymore with latets update :-( The dialog with Alex don't come up, but mission M12 is gone...

  • @ryokkeno
    @ryokkeno7 жыл бұрын

    Neat, I'm actually at what feels like the halfway boss, the dude with the robot arm. Might fight him tomorrow though.

  • @prussianblue9316

    @prussianblue9316

    2 жыл бұрын

    this didnt age well lol

  • @Stacks50
    @Stacks507 жыл бұрын

    It doesn't work for me right after I have this conversation the lady automatically call two tell me the people that left the bank

  • @ButtZilla
    @ButtZilla7 жыл бұрын

    New Patch, won't work any more but still very awesome find! ThanQ!

  • @superemepwr
    @superemepwr5 жыл бұрын

    "thats some heavy augmentation"

  • @matdoesthings
    @matdoesthings4 жыл бұрын

    *Confirmed as of 12/13/19, latest version 1.19 build 801.0: For anyone who lands here, you can do this WITHOUT downgrading your version of Mankind Divided by following the instructions at kzread.info/dash/bejne/gnictbKIcd3Ocqg.html (Thanks Fubar). I will note, however, if you're a purist, that this will keep M12 (Heist) in your journal for the rest of your game, and will likely add a second un-completable SM08 (The Fix). If you complete The Fix once, then try to complete it again, you will get the same Koller dialogue, however, part-way through the conversation, the game will freeze on a view of Koller's feet, and you will have to load.

  • @debacofzomb9889

    @debacofzomb9889

    3 жыл бұрын

    Changing updates around, or starting a game and then updating (at least on ps4) disables most of your augs and ruins your game... Very tedious....

  • @justatiger6268
    @justatiger62687 жыл бұрын

    Did everything like in this vid but it didn't work for me. After the conversation with Allison and the cultists are arrested I get an automatic message from Alex and I've failed the heist mission. I don't like failing missions :(

  • @jakem3865

    @jakem3865

    7 жыл бұрын

    It was patched out in September apparently

  • @aaz099az
    @aaz099az3 жыл бұрын

    I don't know if they did patch it out because I've just done it using this method and did both

  • @kcnlizz777
    @kcnlizz7777 жыл бұрын

    Must be an update to this game cause I just spent quite a bit following this outstanding guide and it still failed my M12. I literally played second by second to each I am not sure....

  • @anthonyjones2969
    @anthonyjones29696 жыл бұрын

    Doesnt work anymore automatically triggers alex after allison mission ps4

  • @Manofculturee
    @Manofculturee6 жыл бұрын

    Jensen..there is something about him I can’t put my finger on between the end of HR and before joining T29

  • @khaelstorm2552

    @khaelstorm2552

    3 жыл бұрын

    Mankind Divided’s protagonist is a clone of the Jensen from Human Revolution. Probably. Or something.

  • @austinmayes135
    @austinmayes1354 жыл бұрын

    Exited the dialogue between Jensen and the girl, immediately got told the orchid was gone

  • @Dalmater969
    @Dalmater9696 жыл бұрын

    works on xbox 1, kind of. i didn't got the achievement and an e-book wasn't there. you actually never finish the bank mission, it's still im progress😢

  • @nathanbeales8900
    @nathanbeales89007 жыл бұрын

    her dialogue triggered for me, do you complete the bank before saving alison

  • @milesedgeworth3667
    @milesedgeworth3667Ай бұрын

    Still works as of yesterday Have to enter the North east Train station from the Rear enterance in the Dvali Theaters basement, then once at the church, Get outside the map to reach the 4th floor to avoid any triggers that will fail the Bank Job, especially the last trigger which happens if you get to close to the Target rooms Door Once you actully Deal with the church the triggers are all disabled and you can freely loot the place

  • @AeonAxisProductions
    @AeonAxisProductions7 ай бұрын

    So for anyone who wants to do this, interesting things happen in the game if you do Also you have to enter the subway using the tunnel is radich's office so that you dont trigger the choice between bank or allison 1. You'll finish the church mission but the bank mission will always be active because when you talk to Miller it only does it for the church mission 2. You get the orchid cure but not the bomb jammer (at least it doesn't show up in the story items menu) 3. Allison is in the holding cell under tf29 headquarters 4. When doing the bank mission you have to exit and re enter the bank a couple times to get all the dialogue triggers to happen

  • @milesedgeworth3667

    @milesedgeworth3667

    Ай бұрын

    Bomb Jammer is treated as a reskined multi tool, requireing its own 2 inventory slots

  • @Nothinbutgrey
    @Nothinbutgrey10 ай бұрын

    This doesn't work on XB1. Alex dialogue triggered at the end and bank mission was failed.

  • @donrobinson3172
    @donrobinson31727 жыл бұрын

    Damn! I wish I'd tried this before the patch. I suppose there's no other way to accomplish both missions on the console versions, huh?

  • @Zhello79

    @Zhello79

    4 жыл бұрын

    I was still able to do this on the PS3.

  • @dariyanvalentine3564

    @dariyanvalentine3564

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Zhello79 i think u meant ps4 /

  • @Zhello79

    @Zhello79

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dariyanvalentine3564 Yeah I know lol. A type I never bothered to fix 🤣. But yeah it still works. The only reason I played it again I was trying to see if you can talk to the red head woman named Photographe. She is the one who is stalking and spying on Alex. But it is neigh impossible to do so.

  • @gyrudoownil6651
    @gyrudoownil66513 жыл бұрын

    I did it exactly has this but it still didn't work Alex gave me a call and the heist mission was a fail why is this

  • @jcmee91
    @jcmee91 Жыл бұрын

    This doesn’t work, as soon as the cutscene with Allison ends Alex says that trucks left the bank.

  • @AeonAxisProductions
    @AeonAxisProductions7 ай бұрын

    So if you do this, you get both the bomb jammer and the orchid cure?

  • @heinzbecker691
    @heinzbecker6912 жыл бұрын

    damn...after completing the dialog with alison it started the dialog with vega...damn. it doesnt work anymore.

  • @whywar1986
    @whywar19866 жыл бұрын

    How do i get that dialogue i waited and auto failed the hiest

  • @eddiehoplight2003
    @eddiehoplight20037 жыл бұрын

    I must be doing something wrong, I do everything the video says to and I'm still getting the call from Alex that I failed the heist mission.

  • @fladmuse7129

    @fladmuse7129

    4 жыл бұрын

    Patch

  • @tigermaximus8003

    @tigermaximus8003

    3 жыл бұрын

    me too maan!! how can i doo both? anybody? please help. i mean i love alison and did the conversation right. but fail the bank. how can i do both? anybody?

  • @fladmuse7129

    @fladmuse7129

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tigermaximus8003 patch

  • @Tsumefan2

    @Tsumefan2

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tigermaximus8003 make a new save?

  • @whywar1986
    @whywar19866 жыл бұрын

    For some reason i still failed the heist mission

  • @Vortex-22727
    @Vortex-227274 жыл бұрын

    Still works even if you haven't icarus dash like me - you can jump to out of bounds and use icarus landing to bathroom

  • @retrovision7218
    @retrovision72185 жыл бұрын

    Nice job

  • @RyhzaliaLisa4118
    @RyhzaliaLisa41187 жыл бұрын

    I did every step very carefully and still I got the autofail for the Heist. I don't know what I did wrong.

  • @majukun

    @majukun

    6 жыл бұрын

    patch happened. there's stilla way to make this work, but you probably don't care anymore

  • @Tsumefan2

    @Tsumefan2

    2 жыл бұрын

    they patched this sorry man

  • @frame35327
    @frame353278 ай бұрын

    Ps4 . не получилось. Делал все по гайду, но по зваершении миссии квест с банком проваливается😢

  • @prince_sach50
    @prince_sach506 жыл бұрын

    How do you do it without Icarus Dash?😩

  • @moustafaabousalem1411
    @moustafaabousalem14117 жыл бұрын

    it doesn't work

  • @walruspolish
    @walruspolish6 жыл бұрын

    I keep falling through the world on the bit at about 2:48...any tips?

  • @Tsumefan2

    @Tsumefan2

    2 жыл бұрын

    yeah make a save

  • @walruspolish

    @walruspolish

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Tsumefan2 lol, you're a bit late!

  • @gman-tp2uh
    @gman-tp2uh6 жыл бұрын

    its just fancy prosthetics god damn

  • @KiMax_
    @KiMax_7 жыл бұрын

    I have the autofail after the dialogue with alison

  • @manojvarughese4337

    @manojvarughese4337

    6 жыл бұрын

    yes they patched all versions out. tried ps4 yesterday

  • @Relayzy1

    @Relayzy1

    6 жыл бұрын

    Manoj Varughese gay

  • @manojvarughese4337

    @manojvarughese4337

    6 жыл бұрын

    okay relay

  • @Dflowen
    @Dflowen4 жыл бұрын

    Is Allison making a similar Helios A.I? :0

  • @khaelstorm2552

    @khaelstorm2552

    3 жыл бұрын

    Is more like a shittier Hyron Project, but mainly, yes.

  • @chaotic1201
    @chaotic12017 жыл бұрын

    that explains everything

  • @Meshick
    @Meshick3 жыл бұрын

    I did all as in the past it worked before -now I think patch killed the trick (PC Steam) ...

  • @ali-k
    @ali-k6 жыл бұрын

    main story or dlc

  • @Norkses
    @Norkses2 жыл бұрын

    Will do mine soon

  • @scattysafari7742
    @scattysafari77427 жыл бұрын

    I loved Alison. One of the best chrs in the game.

  • @nicksamuel8324

    @nicksamuel8324

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lol what!? Why?

  • @Norkses
    @Norkses2 жыл бұрын

    It did not work for me. I still failed the heist mission

  • @Daurentius322

    @Daurentius322

    2 жыл бұрын

    Actually it does work but what the OP did not mention is the fact that for you to do both you need to reach the subway through the Devali Theatre lower level where Radich Nikoladze is located, there you have a hole in the wall through which you can reach the subway. If you do it like that then you will not get a prompt from Alex where you have to choose the Bank or Allison and you can go to Prekazka district and save Allison, once you've done that you can go back to the original subway station and get the prompt from which you can choose to do the Bank. I just did it and it worked.

  • @hanafeeahmad3954
    @hanafeeahmad39546 жыл бұрын

    Aww didn't work

  • @rammahsss
    @rammahsss5 жыл бұрын

    sun of gun

  • @justinbillssanesbythecyber9580
    @justinbillssanesbythecyber95803 жыл бұрын

    narine maybe snackers

  • @jayrmusic4846
    @jayrmusic48463 жыл бұрын

    Well thats shit it dont work any more theres not many guides on this mission

  • @albertoj.mollinedo4116
    @albertoj.mollinedo41164 жыл бұрын

    Wow no clip mode activated

  • @crobledo89
    @crobledo896 жыл бұрын

    I only did the heist she kills herself I found that out

  • @BB0ysGames
    @BB0ysGames5 жыл бұрын

    does this still work on the ps4?

  • @IS-rd2bv
    @IS-rd2bv7 жыл бұрын

    lol i think you can just climb up the front window of the building without ever entering the courtyard lol

  • @Consti00001
    @Consti000019 күн бұрын

    glitch use is cheating your self.......

  • @Erkaryos
    @Erkaryos5 жыл бұрын

    fuck i choosed versalife, this one seemed more interesting

  • @manny_freah5148

    @manny_freah5148

    5 жыл бұрын

    It doesn't work anymore.well the in wall glitch still works but as soon as you finish the convo with allison.vega calls you to tell you that you failed the bank mission !

  • @vardellsfolly5200
    @vardellsfolly52004 жыл бұрын

    Σhe is.. mesmerizing.. and so desirable!

  • @justinbillssanesbythecyber9580
    @justinbillssanesbythecyber95803 жыл бұрын

    torosianian

  • @cr4yv3n
    @cr4yv3n7 жыл бұрын

    out of bounds access of the map? Sloppy work Eidos..no such thing in DX1

  • @HighBrowComedy

    @HighBrowComedy

    7 жыл бұрын

    lol someone's never seen a speedrun

  • @cr4yv3n

    @cr4yv3n

    7 жыл бұрын

    Someone missed the point entirely...

  • @chadkingoffuckmountain970

    @chadkingoffuckmountain970

    6 жыл бұрын

    Award for "smuggest cunt of the world" goes to...

  • @Lapinporokoira
    @Lapinporokoira4 жыл бұрын

    Nvm got past if and now doing bank heist:)

  • @iza724

    @iza724

    4 жыл бұрын

    How?

  • @Lapinporokoira

    @Lapinporokoira

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@iza724 pure persistence

  • @iza724

    @iza724

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Lapinporokoira yeah... I finally got it, although I had to do an extra step before all this.

  • @goPJgoPJ
    @goPJgoPJ3 жыл бұрын

    Doesn't work in 2021, really annoying, I've got all the bank personnel in deep sleep, could grab that bottle in a minute.

  • @BlackDeath12345
    @BlackDeath123457 жыл бұрын

    wtffff

  • @gamesmoviesdramas6582
    @gamesmoviesdramas658210 ай бұрын

    Its fake dont trust this guy

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