Money to build a project and money to maintain a project are two separate things.

@beaurodriguez5640

2 күн бұрын

Facts.

@matismf

Күн бұрын

@@beaurodriguez5640 But demographics are demographics.

@TheDigitalslayer

Күн бұрын

@@matismf That's true, once higher incomers leave, everyone else is left behind and the budget for maintenance begins to decrease creating a vicious downward cycle. To combat this they lower restrictions until the point where the structures are deemed dangerous and uninhabitable blight.

@choossuck7653

Күн бұрын

The people you put in the project matters

@BigKerm

8 сағат бұрын

Building structures that look nice without quality education or enough quality jobs will eventually result in failure. And we know of one demographic in particular that has always been (as a collective) segregated from those two crucial standards for functional living in this country. Whenever this particular demographic accomplished setting up their own successful cities, towns & districts, we have witnessed their destruction using mob violence by the dominant demographic (see Tulsa OK, 1921 or Rosewood FL 1923, Wilmington NC 1898 etc). But it's always easier to use political & municipal levers to keep certain communities depressed. They'll eventually collapse in on themselves. If anyone disagrees with this, show me a place & time in the history of America where quality education & jobs were equally available to all demographics, but resulted in slum conditions 🤷🏿‍♂️

"Commerical Park"? This is the one that stopped me in my tracks....

@lisareed5669

Күн бұрын

​@lorankutheresistable Douglass

@marklenkner2932

2 сағат бұрын

He's clearly not from Detroit. lol

Interesting history. The Detroit projects were predictive of what was to happen later in St. Louis and Chicago with their housing projects. Good idea at first, but doomed to fail due to poor management and crime. Thanks for posting.

@ITSHISTORY

4 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing

@DB-rw9ld

14 сағат бұрын

@@stephenmoerlein8470 New York was the first example for all housing projects....

@candynickel

10 сағат бұрын

Poverty really was the root cause. Crime is a side effect

11:05 it’s actually “Comerica Park”

@MerelyGifted

2 күн бұрын

...and Ford Field, not Ford's.

Then happened the introduction of crack cocaine.

I worked in the low rise section in the 80’s when they were being demolished. They seemed nice though the rooms were a bit small. The courtyards were beautiful though to be fair the trees were at their maximum growth by then.

You give one group of men a pile of bricks and you get a city. You give another group of men a city and you get a pile bricks. Detroit.

@BigKerm

8 сағат бұрын

A more accurate measure is not what one is given, but what is being kept from them. Building structures that look nice without quality education or enough quality jobs will eventually result in failure. And we know of one demographic in particular that has always been (as a collective) segregated from those two crucial standards for functional living in this country. Whenever this particular demographic accomplished setting up their own successful cities, towns & districts, we have witnessed their destruction using mob violence by the dominant demographic (see Tulsa OK, 1921 or Rosewood FL 1923, Wilmington NC 1898 etc). But it's always easier to use political & municipal levers to keep certain communities depressed. They'll eventually collapse in on themselves. If anyone disagrees with this, show me a place & time in the history of America where quality education & jobs were equally available to all demographics, but resulted in slum conditions 🤷🏿‍♂️

Thank you for this. I’m huge on Detroit History, but I learn something new all of the time. This is great.

@ITSHISTORY

Күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

I wondering would you like to look into an apartment high rise in Philadelphia called West Park Apts (46th and Market Street). This complex has rich history, also what it was before is ver interesting,US presidential candidates campaigned there,amenities were unmatched in the nation. I promise you won’t regret it- hope you get this

@autobug2

11 сағат бұрын

I never have seen the words 'rich history' and public housing used in the same sentence. One contradicts the other.

detroit in the 1950s was an *amazing* city!...i grew up in lansing from early 1970s-mid-90s, and both detroit and flint's downfall was quite shocking (lansing;s also, but i was too close to see it clearly until i moved away). very glad to hear news that detroit is on the rise again in the 21st century.

@autobug2

11 сағат бұрын

.............IT IS?!

@northdetroit7994

7 сағат бұрын

It ain't.

@douglasharley2440

4 сағат бұрын

@@northdetroit7994 bullshit.

@northdetroit7994

2 сағат бұрын

@@douglasharley2440 Been there lately? Which area?

@douglasharley2440

Сағат бұрын

@@northdetroit7994 i haven't, but my parents and sister have. no idea which parts. i have also read articles in the nytimes, and seen shorts on here.

Channels like yours and The Fat Electrician have reignited my interest in all aspects of history. Thanks for doing what my pyooblic edumucation failed to do decade and a half ago

I remember visiting my grandma at the Brewsters on the 12th floor I can see Tigers Stadium with the lights on c When the e game was played.

and now we're in an era were we need housing again the likes of that again

i believe you made a mistake in your video @5:12 about Fredrick Douglas. you say he was a vice presidential candidate in 1972. don't you mean 1872?

@lisareed5669

Күн бұрын

Frederick Douglass

@GeeEm1313

Күн бұрын

I caught that as well.

I moved out of Detroit in 96. I missed multiple rises and falls, and it is completely unrecognizable to my memory now. It is quite surreal to see all these old structures gone. I went to wayne state and passed these buildings almost everyday.

What has happened to the cost of housing since 1980s ?!

@weirdalfan37

2 күн бұрын

The inevitable, desired, and actively sought spiral of capitalism

@AdmiralJT

2 күн бұрын

Fed and government, but yeah lets blame capitalism lmao... Capitalism is the thing that creates wealth, which we have shifted to a corporate socialist system... Real reason for costs skyrocketing, gov and fed devalues currency via inflation (printing more money) meaning higher costs.

@GeeEm1313

Күн бұрын

False appraisals and overvaluation of real estate.

I live in Detroit and grew up here the Brewsters are still here just smaller it’s town houses now .. still low income .. I have great memories with friends who grew up over there .. ❤

@autobug2

11 сағат бұрын

The entire city of Detroit is low income!

I waited for this for a long time

Frederick Douglass was not alive in 1972. He died in 1895.

VP candidate in 1972?

@jminnick1990

Күн бұрын

😂 1872 clearly

Check out this project housing from when I was a kid. Foundation Park, Chesapeake VA . It has been demolished completely by now I am sure. I remember there was a bus that would ride through after school and during the summer. Like a ice cream truck , but you walked on and they had candy and other snacks as well as ice cream.

These projects were intended to keep racial segregation in place in their cities. The high-rises were huge mistakes, basically 'warehousing' people not realizing that people don't like being warehoused. The decline and decentralization industry in cities, need for fewer works due to automation, shifts, the rise of Japanese imports, were also factor that vacated other housing from these projects.

@DavidYesUCan

2 күн бұрын

Unions demanding very high wages made the big 3 go other cheaper places to have their automobiles made.

@dannettejackson202

18 сағат бұрын

@@DavidYesUCan Oh believe me, the Big Three car industries can most definitely afford it with their company profits!

@knightrider693

11 сағат бұрын

Other countries pack em in with more density then this but they aren't over riddled with drugs and crime. Weird 🤔

@stevedyer7566

7 сағат бұрын

​​@@DavidYesUCan. David what are discussing? The Big 3 still is concentrated in Detroit. [Ford GM and Chrysler] have more manufacturing plants here then anywhere. I know this bcuz I happily live this.

Now they're putting in all these new condos to LCA Comerica and Ford Field so the noise pollution doesn't make any sense

My cousin lives in the new Brewster's now and they're very decent and better place to live

As always Professor Socash great information, I was born in Atlanta back in the 50's (I know its not Detroit) but as a young child around 5 years old I remember living in the Projects in Atlanta, they were brick remember they were 2 story apts also remember very poor run down area,ya even as a kid I knew what was poor, then in 1956 my family we made what I call our Grapes of Wrath move to Calif with a 500 lbs Grandma in the back seat of that 1946/47 Hudson, as always, be Safe and be at Peace...

"Another Martini for Mother Cabrini." Lenny Bruce, memorialising the charitable nun.

The projects need to come back. The projects became politically incorrect because they were dumps, and hotbeds of crime, due to the mismanagement mentioned in this video (you have to be selective), as a result most have been shutdown and demolished. What the social do gooders did instead was decide to “de-centralize” the projects across the entire city via section 8, the result is blight and falling property values and crime spread out as opposed to being centralized in a contained area. Bringing back the projects would fix this.

@showmestatefinest5412

Күн бұрын

The projects were an experiment and it went as planned. Piling a bunch of poor ppl on top of each other is not a good idea. Section 8/hud private houses is way better option even tho the ppl tear up nice properties.

@nicholascortez728

9 сағат бұрын

​@@showmestatefinest5412 initially it seems like the idea was building housing to meet the incoming demand due to industrialization and prioritizing family and requiring men (head of the house hold) to have a job seemed to be working. The issue came when they relaxed the rules and even later got rid of them basically making them a place to lock away the poor and pretend they don't exist.

@stevedyer7566

6 сағат бұрын

That's not a good idea for the reason you just stated about the concentration of criminals. Understand living amongst the concentrated undesirables are good loving people, families children who day in and day out consist of living through daily horror. This can have a negative and or influential effect on children and people development and mobility.

Love this! Need more Detroit history videos🙌

Fun fact: Detroit population is very very similar to Boston

@chriswil5919

21 сағат бұрын

Now ! But In the 50s 60s70s80s90s2000s Detroit was bigger..

It's a damn shame whats happened to Detroit . From a population of just under 2 million which peaked in the 50's down to around 600,000 today .

@stevedyer7566

7 сағат бұрын

Yes it was. It was many mistakes made. Detroit is being revitalized and it feels gooood!

Talent like them will never be born again.

@candynickel

9 сағат бұрын

Or they're being born and don't have access to quality education and healthcare, or they have a lack of opportunities due to their proximity to poverty.

I wonder why there wasn't a plan to completely rehabilitate these towers into a modern form. Fully modernized, the Douglas Housing Project now would command top dollar for each single residence in 2024.

@ronaldraygun3591

2 күн бұрын

It probably cost too much especially if they had to remove lead paint

@throttleblip1

Күн бұрын

Detroit is over hyped and over valued. Until there is a cultural mindset change Detroits growth doesn't look good

@HHSGDFootballJPD

Күн бұрын

By the time they finished expanding the area, Detroit's city population was 1.8 million people. When they finished tearing it down in the 2010s, it was 775 thousand. They probably didn't have the demand for so many years to refurbish them.

@stevedyer7566

7 сағат бұрын

​@@throttleblip1you are entitled to your opinion because you don't know what it is

@stevedyer7566

7 сағат бұрын

​@@throttleblip1ok, I will bite. What are you basing your opinion on?

I would love to see your take on Coop City in the Bronx… tons of interesting history, as a former tenant it would be cool to see your take on things.

Growing up in Detroit in the 60,s Brewster-Douglass was high rise hoods! @11:07 it is Co-merica park.

@throttleblip1

Күн бұрын

And want reparations but ruin every gov housing anywhere they can find them.

BS: I am born and raised just outside of Detroit and I was in the army and ground pounded my ass around in an actual war zone. With that nugget of info... There is no way you are seeing me anywhere near this place unless it is a life or death reason and Im wearing body armor. and YES i have actually been to this housing block. and YES this soldier was shitting his pants we were driving past it.

Things probably would have remained okay for the original residents if they hadn't added the high rises.

Dang didnt know they were built before the projects in Chicago

@throttleblip1

Күн бұрын

Both huge wastes of time and money since they became run down by the tenants.

@giovannicarter3076

Күн бұрын

@throttleblip1 rather live there than EP Island

I have heard of Cabrini Green but not Brewster Douglas.

There also was a similar project just west of the Lodge Freeway, south of Forest Ave. These were much closer to the center of the 67 riots. Nobody does well in dense housing. This has been show in models with rats too.

@kdot3657

12 сағат бұрын

The lesser talked about Jeffries projects.

@ThisWorks4Me

2 сағат бұрын

@@kdot3657 I couldn't remember their name. There was also a project off of Southfield and Joy Rd. These were two story buildings. Someone did a piece about it. I remember driving by all three.

We all know whh it turned to a crime and desolate place, look st the demographics there vs places thst thrived. Tupac said it best "i wont conceal the fact, the penetentiary is packed and its filled with......"

Chicago, Cabrini Green. These were death traps..😢

Thanks!

@ITSHISTORY

Күн бұрын

Welcome!🙏

New York City has so many housing projects than Detroit did, but they still do. Thanks to NYCHA.

Anacostia in Southeast Washington DC, which is where I grew up, and is where Frederick Douglass house is, my 6 grade graduation was in Frederick Douglas front yard lol

Can you do a video on the Church Hill Tunnel in Richmond VA?

Let me guess, the automotive plants closed.

@stevedyer7566

7 сағат бұрын

Nope

Alvin “Blue” Lewis who fought Ali in Ireland is from there also 🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁

NYCHA in NYC is also notorious and SAD.

I don't know if I would call those skyscrapers iconic looking they just look like regular old brick buildings to me and I'm not crying me tears that they're gone no iconic measures have been lost here

@atomic_wait

2 күн бұрын

They would have been striking and modern looking in the 1930s I suppose, 90 years ago.

@louisstanko86

2 күн бұрын

When these were built buildings over 10 stories tall were considered skyscrapers, today it’s over 40 😊

@throttleblip1

Күн бұрын

Detroit barely has any sky scrapers since there is little invest from it's actual citizens...

It got people out of the slums but people dont appreciate anything free or take care of it.

@applegal3058

2 күн бұрын

I truly do not understand that mentality. No matter who owns something, I can't fathom destroying it except for normal wear or by accident. Perhaps it was my upbringing? Same thing with working. There is no job below me...anything that needs doing is worth doing it right. I did grow up in a poor household, but we were never destitute to the point of starvation or homelessness. In saying that, my mom went without so we could eat more or have small luxury.. Saving and spending wisely was ingrained in me, and damaging something for no reason was a shameful waste.

@Slappysan

2 күн бұрын

​@@applegal3058"Mentality" as if this video actually got into that.

@applegal3058

2 күн бұрын

@@Slappysan no, I'm commenting on the original poster's comment...how some people don't care for things when they come free...

@michaelwhite2823

Күн бұрын

@@lorankutheresistable Some people are never happy and ruin everything, even by fire. It still happens today. The people not even YOU want to live near.

@DonnellOkafor-pd7yn

Күн бұрын

Exactly

I think there was a gym with boxing rings real close to those housing projects. Joe Louis visited in the early years of it.

@stevedyer7566

7 сағат бұрын

Yes, Wheeler Rec. Center, was at the heart of the Brewster projects community. It produced many talented people.

5:53 they kook really nice.

"The Pj's" modeled the set after these project structures

@inthemixwithleahbpodcast

2 күн бұрын

That was my show!

@w123benzman

16 сағат бұрын

@@inthemixwithleahbpodcast one of the top shows ever developed.. Well written, well casted... Just fantastic

When you have less of one thing and more of another thing your city goes to shit.

There use to be a projects building near me. Some guy bought it and kick out all the folks who didn't have a job and was causing all the crime there. So after a month there was the older folks left who retired and the only way to get in their now is by having a job and a work history. The rent is the same as before, 200$ to 800$. But now its safer and cleaner.

i can only imagine the build quality was horrible to being with

@stevedyer7566

6 сағат бұрын

Nope, they were over built, like a fortress. Exterior was all brick, interior No drywall, cement walls and floors.

Government housing is never a good idea, no matter how well-intentioned.

They built an abc store close buy instead of a wallmart for people to get decent jobs.

@wyattl.1370

3 сағат бұрын

Dawg we don't even have ABC stores in Michigan because any Ole Joe Schmoe can open his own liquor store, no state controlled monopoly. Take your bs elsewhere

As a Detroiter, thank you for this video!❤

A Mkultra cointelpro groundzero(DPH in general)

All of them are and so much more.

Well done Pruitt Igoe was the same way 1950's-1972

I can see why Axel Foley joined the Detroit police department in 1983🚔

Comerica Park

Vaguely similar things happened to Amsterdam's Bijlmer area, which comprised of a lot of massive, super modern high rise apartment blocks, with all the car-centric things 1960s politics loved. At the beginning, the population was mixed and the apartments were very well received, because they had modern (for 1960s) ameneties like garbage disposal chutes, large windows to let sunlight in, and central heating (which was really a new concept in the late 50s, early 60s). They were moderately expensive for their time. However, at that point in time, Amsterdam was much smaller and the city centre was almost half an hour away, with a lot of 'no man's land' in between, so residents felt detached from their home town. There wasn't much in the Bijlmer at that point when it came to entertainment and leisure. So the big blocks never really reached capacity. People preferred living in a worn out 19th century apartment in the city, over living in a very modern apartment in an 'empty' area. With the independence of Surinam, many Surinamese people decided to move to the Netherlands. A lot of them were 'cooped up' in the empty apartments by the city government. Not having a whole lot of money, they couldn't pay the significant fees for maintenance, house keeping and such, and the big blocks started to physically decline. More 1st gen residents moved out, more apartments went empty, squatters and criminals moved in who also didn't pay the maintenance fees, and a getto was born. It wasn't until the 1990s and 2000ss, that the problem was solved by demolishing part of the high rise blocks and mixing the with single family homes, and building a lot of offices around the area so it became an attractive place to work for the office workers. The only way to do projects right, is to include all types of people in them. Concentrating one demographic is bound to fail eventually. Part of the blocks need to be affordable rent and part of them need to be sold to individual buyers.

@DonnellOkafor-pd7yn

Күн бұрын

I'm guessing a lot of ppl didn't have vehicles..

My good friend and his buddies got ripped off there right before going to Vietnam 1967 . Said it was a scary place .

@Slappysan

2 күн бұрын

Not going to mention what the buddies were there for, eh?

Comerica Park, like the bank

I am not sure that Brewster was a Calvinist, I think he was a Separatist. Wasn't Calvin from the 1400's?

Monie Love. Not money

Eleanor Roosevelt Franklin Roosevelt's wife and cousin

Forbidding, not forbidden!

What happened to Detroit? How did it get like this? Everyone knows the answer to that question. Problem is no one wants to say it.

@chriswil5919

21 сағат бұрын

Sounds abt white opinion..

The projects are built for and attract a certain group of people. That same group have a tendency to destroy everything around them. Therefore the projects were all doomed from day one. Though you’re not allowed to notice.

@stevedyer7566

6 сағат бұрын

That's not true. You suffer from outside looking in.

This group of folks got their own community and drove it into the ground. I doubt history would repeat itself

@Slappysan

2 күн бұрын

Nope, but you believe a lot of things without facts...

@EmperorShang

Күн бұрын

@@Slappysan it's a fact that they drove their community into the ground lmao

@Slappysan

Күн бұрын

@@EmperorShang Someone will believe you, not me.

@stevedyer7566

6 сағат бұрын

Somethings can get distorted when you arrive with more biases than knowledge

Riff-Raff ruins everything. I think Frederick Douglass said that.

Good that you used European American, along side African American.

@sc1338

53 минут бұрын

Why

Detroit was booming until a certain demographic took over. Happens all over the world. We’re not supposed to notice or discuss that though are we?

@chriswil5919

21 сағат бұрын

America was a better place before some certain ppl arrived.. claiming to discover it ..

@shawngordon4960

20 сағат бұрын

@@chriswil5919 Tough crap lady. We won, they lost, and now it’s ours. It wasn’t discovered, it was conquered. That’s how countries and nations have been formed since the beginning of time. Maybe they should have fought a little harder.

@shawngordon4960

12 сағат бұрын

@@chriswil5919 Calm down lady, I think you mean conquered it. The way nations have always been built.

@chriswil5919

12 сағат бұрын

@@shawngordon4960 What every make you feel better. The point I was making was America is not the mountains of Europe …

@shawngordon4960

11 сағат бұрын

@@chriswil5919 It’s not about feelings, it’s simple facts of life.

we had those in chicago, but were torn down. we need to rebuild them quick, right on top of the old landfill area